How strong is the bystander effect for Americans?
Posted by ParkingChampion2652@reddit | AskAnAmerican | View on Reddit | 232 comments
Hello Americans. Im an Egyptian, and here in Egypt, if anything happens in the street, like an accident or a fight, people jump in immediately to help. Within milliseconds you’ll find the entire street gathered around the situation trying to help, either by breaking the fight, nursing the injured etc. That’s unlike many countries I’ve lived at and visited where people usually just watch as they call emergency services, or at least take much longer to gather around. How does that compare to Americans? I have a sense that you guys would be willing to intervene.
Sidewalk_Tomato@reddit
It really depends on where you are, what's happening, etc.
I saw a huge dude (6'4"?) freaking out on psychedelics in the middle of the night with his pants down (underpants still on) but he seemed frozen in place. I didn't call the police, because no one was in danger, he wasn't hurting anyone but himself, and he didn't seem to be able to do anything but roar. It was pretty weird.
I worried he'd be shot if I called the police. So yes--that was wild.
I've rendered first aid many times, and CPR, and testified in court as a witness to a really bad beatdown (I walked around a corner and saw someone getting a broken nose, cheekbones, orbital stuff) . . . so in general, I feel like I'm doing my part, but of course the bystander effect is real.
I also think the bystander effect is common to many humans in many cultures, though.
This is why the Red Cross trains you to tell others: "You! go call 9-11" and "You, go to the road and direct them." The bystander effect can be circumvented sometimes.
boonies1414@reddit
Look up the boat lift on 9/11. Largest human evacuation in recorded history, by civilians.
It’s all about stakes for Americans, oddly. The higher the stakes, the more likely Americans will act
Pitiful_Bunch_2290@reddit
I'm a nurse, so I'm going to get right in there. Not everyone is that way and sometimes it's best they're not if they're just going to make things worse.
Ok-Bowl-6366@reddit
where im from and live -- you best mind your own damn business and you didnt see nothing
Footnotegirl1@reddit
Depends on the trouble and the people. I have been in a couple of car crashes/car trouble and multiple people stopped and helped out, either on the freeway or once when I slid off the road due to ice in an inner city neighborhood early in the morning. This might well be in large part due to me being a harmless looking white woman. When I fainted once in public, people came to my aid immediately and in fairly large numbers.
But if a situation seems dangerous, you'll get less people rushing to help in a lot of situations, though you will often get people sticking around to video (which is not just curiousity... especially when authorities are involved, it can be very IMPORTANT that the public be filming what happens). And contacting emergency services.
JediMasterReddit@reddit
Americans will record on their cell phones to post on TikTok. Well, until Sunday at least.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/train-riders-held-cellphones-woman-was-raped-septa-police-say-n1281836
JoeCensored@reddit
Americans typically stop and help if they witness a car accident.
It's not common to jump into someone else's fight. If it's a guy beating up a woman you'll get more people coming to help than some guys fighting.
Lots of people in the US carry firearms, so it's not a good idea to jump into someone else's fight. You could end up shot, or if you carry a firearm yourself you could lose control of it during the fight.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
Yeah I’ve seen multiple fight videos in the US where guys lay their hands on women then proceed to get annihilated by other male bystanders.
Typical-Machine154@reddit
Two guys fighting might just be some dudes working some stuff out.
Two women fighting and you might watch for a second to see if they're really fighting, or cat fighting, then step in. Sorry, but it's true. Sometimes women don't know how to fight at all and they're not in any danger of harming each other.
A woman fighting a man who isn't fighting back will probably be restrained by a bystander or yelled at, but they're unlikely to get tackled.
A man fighting a woman gets his ass beat, every time. The only possible exception is if she struck first and the response is appropriate.
OK_Ingenue@reddit
When is the response ever appropriate?
Typical-Machine154@reddit
If someone walks up to me and slaps me their ass is getting shoved to the ground. If someone were to physically assault me in public that dirt is gender neutral and they're getting a taste.
If it's my wife who slaps me, I just slap her back with the same amount of force. She did it once and the response was instant.
Yall are all for gender equality you realize it means you can't domestically abuse people either. It's wild.
_VictorTroska_@reddit
If a woman is truly assualting a dude, and he keeps backing off, eventually he gets to hit back. There's a power disparity there, but he gets to defend himself at some point. It's just there's a cultural line that's not easy to put into words. "You'll know it when you see it."
Swurphey@reddit
How can she slap?
After-Willingness271@reddit
it’s entirely possible to live a normal american life and never run into such a situation
JoeCensored@reddit
Yeah that situation is the most likely to get a response from bystanders.
Loose-Set4266@reddit
or seeing an adult harming a kid. I've taken on men twice my size after seeing them hit their kid.
_VictorTroska_@reddit
Where do you live that you've seen adults hittting children multiple times???
Loose-Set4266@reddit
I’m in my 50’s. First time I was 18 working at Target at night when I saw some guy backhand his toddler into an end cap because they were whiny. I didn’t even think, I just ran at him and attacked.
Another time, when I was working at a children’s museum. We were often used for supervised visitation and had incidents where the parents got aggressive with their kid.
And finally on the bus. We have a notorious line that runs into downtown that sees a lot of drug addicts and it’s also a main line for the high school and middle school. Few years back when my kid was in school there was an issue with pimps trying to lure 12yr. I started hanging out with my bat when school let out cause not on my watch.
_VictorTroska_@reddit
Damn bro. Good for you for sticking up for the vulnerable. I worked for a children’s museum in high school and college, and while I only had to intervene once (and my at the time scrawny ass got seriously punished for it) I had to make a couple cps complaints (we ran an afterschool program). People are shit sometimes.
Loose-Set4266@reddit
In retrospect it wasn’t always the wise decision, I’m lucky I never got seriously hurt, but I go full momma bear when it comes to kids.
severencir@reddit
Ive seen several videos of that, but i have yet to personally witness public deliberate violence since outside of school, so i am lead to believe it's rare enough
sanesociopath@reddit
We also don't tend to have many fights in the streets except in certain areas where an illegal weapon is much more common
JoeCensored@reddit
Yeah for most of the country it can be years between even seeing a fight.
OK_Ingenue@reddit
Or never
Sure-Employ62@reddit
I haven’t witnessed a fight since graduating high school
Fury161Houston@reddit
And the fights were always between girls.
vim_deezel@reddit
I have seen on -adult- fight in my life and that was on dirty 6th street in Austin with thousands of drunk people wandering around partying and bar hopping.
shelwood46@reddit
Oh yeah SantaCon and other drunken parties excepted
Spiritual_Lemonade@reddit
I haven't seen a physical fight among others in a good 15 years probably more
wexpyke@reddit
one time my uncle was a bystander when a store he was in was being robbed at gun point and he killed the robber lol
faced no legal repercussions
vim_deezel@reddit
with his bare hands???
wexpyke@reddit
apparently the clerk who was being robbed was also holding a gun and my uncle took it from him and killed the robber with it
WilhelmVonHalo@reddit
We don’t really have street fights here however if an American saw one they’d likely not intervene unless it’s a women or child being attacked.
MrLongWalk@reddit
It depends entirely on context and location
Some guy having a meltdown in NYC? People don't even notice.
Same guy falls off his bike in a suburb somewhere? People pull over to ask if he's ok
bloopidupe@reddit
I would say, in NYC, people are just as willing to help someone who has fallen or is showing to be physically struggling.
A mental health crisis can't be compared and should be treated with caution.
Secret_Elevator17@reddit
When I traveled to NYC, I felt like people in cars were NOT helpful, but people not in cars were SUPER nice and helpful.
BombardierIsTrash@reddit
Most people in the city don’t own cars. Many are from NJ, upstate or Long Island and absolutely think they are better than the local peasants on foot.
bloopidupe@reddit
About the people in cars:
I know exactly what you're talking about and the answer is yes.
SonofBronet@reddit
I’d describe it more as “actively trying to kill you”
Secret_Elevator17@reddit
Yeah, that too lol
mvuanzuri@reddit
Totally agree as someone who grew up in Texas and lived in NYC. My experience here has been that people are very willing to stop and help strangers who don't seem threatening.
SonofBronet@reddit
That’s the big thing, New Yorkers can initially come off as standoffish or rude if you approach them in public, but that’s because NYC’s culture is so far removed from things like small talk that we’re hardwired to assume anyone we don’t know that attempts to approach us in public is trying to scam us, ask us for money, or, worst of all, get us to sign a petition. Once we realize you actually need help with something we’re more than happy to do so.
adamdj96@reddit
Try getting lunch in Manhattan in a construction vest. It’s like wearing a Batman beacon saying “ask me for directions.”
sanesociopath@reddit
Yeah, what exactly is the average person gonna do if someone is having a full fledged meltdown that doesn't risk escalating the situation.
Arleare13@reddit
That's not always true. It depends on what specifically is happening. If it's an unstable guy screaming on the street, yeah, people keep their distance. But a few days ago I saw a woman collapse on the sidewalk from what looked like a medical episode -- within 30 seconds there were about eight bystanders (myself included) all offering assistance.
Budgiejen@reddit
And was she relatively clean and it looked like a medical episode, not an OD?
If it looks like a person may be hnhiused, under the influence or both, they probably don’t get helped. Maybe an ambulance call.
Arleare13@reddit
Definitely a medical episode. She was an older woman, clearly not homeless or on drugs.
I think people help when they’re equipped to help. Even in the situation I encountered a couple of days ago, “helping” was an ambulance call, and staying with her until it arrived. Most people aren’t equipped to handle a person acting aggressively due to drugs or something, but if someone is passed out or clearly overdosing, I think people will do what they can, which is often calling an ambulance and monitoring the person until they arrive.
OlderAndCynical@reddit
I wonder how long that helpfulness will continue after NYC went after Daniel Penny.
SonofBronet@reddit
Unless you define “helpfulness” as “choking someone to death”, you’ve got nothing to worry about.
Arleare13@reddit
The people helping ladies who collapse on the sidewalk aren’t necessarily the same ones choking people on the subway. I’m not terribly concerned.
InterPunct@reddit
New Yorkers will go out of their way to assist anyone, in the right circumstances.
There was a recent Reddit video where a city bus couldn't turn a corner because someone double-parked and a bunch of dudes lifted the car and moved it by hand. I've seen people practically falling over each other in an attempt to give directions to a tourist. I saw a woman spill her entire purse contents in midtown, bills and change flying everywhere, and people spontaneously cordoned off the entire corner until every cent and item was recovered.
Two dudes fighting it out on the street is a no-go.
nasa258e@reddit
Except that time a dude recently MURDERED the guy having a meltdown on the subway
WealthTop3428@reddit
Not only was the “victim” the aggressor he was still breathing when they EMTs got there. His throat was not occluded, he died of a drug overdose and decades of heart disease.
nasa258e@reddit
Just like George Floyd ALSO died of an overdose? Sure
SonofBronet@reddit
He was acquitted, and frankly, while I don’t think he should have done what he did, I understand why it happened.
nasa258e@reddit
The only way him being acquitted matters is if you actually believe that the legal system metes out actual justice. Remember that everything that the Nazis did was legal.
Scrappy_The_Crow@reddit
FTFY
SonofBronet@reddit
“Verdicts don’t count unless I agree with them. You know who else had a legal system? The Nazis”
Worth-Weather-5437@reddit
If I were on a train in a situation like that, I would be grateful for that bystander. He put his life and future on the line to protect women and children.
Scrappy_The_Crow@reddit
You mean the dude who was ACQUITTED in the case of the guy who was threatening people, screaming that he was not afraid of going to prison and was "ready to die," had dozens of arrests, and who had punched a 67-year old woman, breaking her nose, fracturing her eye socket, and bruising her when she collapsed?
Cranks_No_Start@reddit
> Except that time a dude recently MURDERED
Do you mean the guy that was acquitted after protecting people when some guy was making threats?
Eff-Bee-Exx@reddit
The guy who was threatening everyone in the subway car?
ATLien_3000@reddit
Yep; next time bystanders will no doubt just hope the crazy guy shoves someone else in front of the train.
thewizardsbaker11@reddit
If by meltdown, you mean screaming and not harming anyone or himself? Yes, NYC would ignore it. But if someone was being harmed, people help immediately.
During the pandemic there was this shady bar in queens that kept opening near my apartment, and as I was walking my dog one night, a guy drags an extremely intoxicated woman out. She falls and hits her head, he tries to pick her back up. Immediately everyone is on him, one guy swerved across the road and stopped traffic to jump out of his car and try to get this guy off her. I called 911 while there were about eight different languages being used to try to communicate with this guy when English failed and the rest of the people were trying to get to the woman to see if she was OK. And this was the height of the pandemic in NYC when you weren't supposed to be within six feet of people even outside.
I also was once walking on Broadway during rush hour on my way to work. An older woman falls while crossing the street and like six people picked her up and went on with their day before the light even changed.
Loose-Set4266@reddit
New Yorkers are awesome. You may get told off for having done something stupid while they help you but they don't hesitate to help others.
tragicsandwichblogs@reddit
It's the difference between being kind and being nice.
jhumph88@reddit
My best friend told me a story of when she was young, maybe 10 years old. She was visiting NYC with her mom, aunt and cousins. During the jostle to exit the subway she and her cousin got separated from the rest of the group, and the doors closed. They had no idea where to go or what to do, but she said that a lot of people saw what happened and immediately swooped in to help. Like a whole group of 15 people was working to get in touch with the staff at the previous stop, comforting my friend and her cousin, and people made sure to wait with them until the rest of the group showed up. After that, they just left and went about their day. New Yorkers are awesome, my mom grew up there and despite having moved out of the city 40+ years ago, when we go back she totally changes back into NYC mode
smugbox@reddit
It’s not uncommon for New Yorkers to hand a sobbing person on the train a tissue and continue going about their day. There’s no “are you okay?” or “there, there” but just…silent acknowledgement and implicit support
boulevardofdef@reddit
My ex-wife once fell down the subway stairs in New York and NOBODY even looked at her. Dozens of people were just walking around her. Was a big motivator for her to pressure me to move out.
Cavalcades11@reddit
That’s… wild. Genuinely. Grew up in Manhattan and my father drilled the “if you see a woman struggling you’d better help or I’ll kick your ass” mantra into me.
Rhombus_McDongle@reddit
In 2007 Cameron Hollopeter suffered a seizure and fell onto the subway tracks. Wesley Autrey asked a bystander to watch his daughters as he jumped down to help. Realizing he couldn't get the still convulsing Cameron out before the oncoming train would hit them, he used his body to press him into a nook next to the tracks, saving them both.
I recalled this story and did a search to find it, it was a bit difficult with all the other stories of NYC bystanders jumping onto subway tracks to save somebody.
bhoose19@reddit
I've fallen off my bike in the suburbs and 99 % of the drivers just drive by
Tia_is_Short@reddit
A mental health crisis is a very different scenario imo. I was just in NYC a few weeks ago and a woman collapsed and was seizing on the sidewalk by Bryant Park. There were instantly like 10 people there helping her
LunaD0g273@reddit
If you confront someone having a crisis in NYC they arrest you and put the other guy back on the street untreated.
Ana_Na_Moose@reddit
The whole idea behind the bystander effect is that the more people that know of the emergency event, the less likely any of them will do something to help. Probably explains a lot of this.
Rhombus_McDongle@reddit
Bad reporting on the Kitty Genovese murder created the myth that 38 neighbors witnessed it and did nothing, thus spreading the idea of the bystander effect and callous New Yorkers. In actuality, multiple people called the police, one man yelled at the attacker from his window, and her neighbor held her as she died. There's a great documentary about it called The Witness. Here's a video of New Yorkers helping a car accident victim https://youtu.be/4eelh0lpgH0?si=zGv37UKrUxBGsbkC
EnGexer@reddit
I was just gonna comment that it's refreshing to see that Kitty Genovese's murder isn't being invoked as proof of the bystander effect in this discussion. It seems like that myth is finally being put to rest.
vulpinefever@reddit
I remember seeing a study that used security camera footage and it found that in real life situations not only did someone intervene the vast majority of the time but the opposite of the bystander effect was true - more people being present meant a greater likelihood of someone intervening.
In general, research has pretty consistently shown that people generally want to be helpful and cooperate with others and that we are naturally inclined to put our trust in others including total strangers when the circumstances demand it.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
I studied the bystander effect in my psychology course and we discussed the myths surrounding the Kitty Genovese case, the arguments for and against the reporting etc. all in all it was, in my opinion, still mortifying.
SonofBronet@reddit
How was it more mortifying than any other murder?
PaintingNouns@reddit
Ok, went back into the transcript of the podcast episode. Where I got the domestic violence part is that what the few people who heard the attack thought it was.
“Mike: So this isn’t a situation where she’s screaming for minutes.
Sarah: You can’t really scream that well when your lung has been punctured. So she screams. Someone opens the window and shouts, “Leave that girl alone”.”
They go on to say that person when later interviewed assumed it was just a husband and his wife and they were used to domestic violence, knowing it wasn’t even illegal to beat your wife then, that the guy never investigated further. Why call the cops if they won’t come anyway?
SonofBronet@reddit
I appreciate you looking up the transcript!
PaintingNouns@reddit
I hate being incorrect. If someone points out a mistake I’m going to figure out where I went wrong!
PaintingNouns@reddit
It was a domestic violence situation where she had asked for help but the male police officers didn’t take her seriously.
SonofBronet@reddit
It was 100 percent not a “domestic violence situation”.
PaintingNouns@reddit
Ok, maybe I’m mixing up my stories. I heard a You’re Wrong About or maybe American Hysteria podcast on it and all I remember is that it was much more complicated and there was a lot of police indifference involved.
SonofBronet@reddit
It really wasn’t that complicated. The dude was driving around queens looking for a “woman to kill”, and she happened to be the first one he saw. They caught him a few days later.
thewizardsbaker11@reddit
Additionally, the reporting made it seem like 38 people witnessed the entire attack and did nothing. When in reality it was unfortunately a slow, drawn out incident where she ran along the length of a large building, so no one heard the entire attack. Some of the people would've only heard a single scream, if that.
nwbrown@reddit
The United States is a large diverse country. How people react in, say, New York City and how people react in rural North Carolina are going to be very different.
umhellurrrr@reddit
I’ve witnessed plenty of bystanders-jump-in scenarios. I have jumped in many times, and three of those times were life-or-death!
Middcore@reddit
Why do you think there can be a generalized answer for a country of 335 million people on a question like this?
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
Because there’s a generalized answer for a country of 115 million about it.
whatchagonadot@reddit
if you have heard about the liability lawsuits going on here in the states, you would not be willing to help either. If you do the wrong thing, you can lose your lifesavings
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
I’m a med student so it always made me think about what I’s do in public medical emergencies. What if someone suddenly got a tension pneumothorax (excess collection of air in the lungs) and I had to poke a whole in their chest to relieve the pressure. The procedure is low risk and simple but at the same time a few centimeters too deep and I puncture the lung and potentially go to prison. What’s the right thing to do here? Is it unethical to let someone die to protect my quality of life? I’d like to believe that I would risk it if I was sure that the person can’t wait for emergency services but again, would I actually have the guts to risk my career, my life savings or even my freedom?
SonofBronet@reddit
If you’re otherwise able to perform that procedure but are so lacking in confidence in your abilities that you’d let someone die just to save your own ass, you really have no business practicing medicine at all.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
I’m still a first year though so I have only studied and seen thoracocentesis and never actually performed it. Additionally the equipment used in a hospital can differ from what is available at an emergency scenario making a simple procedure more challenging.
SonofBronet@reddit
A first year med student with no practical experience should not be shoving anything into people’s chests.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
Yes of course, I was talking about when I become qualified enough to do these procedures. I think you’re just being argumentative here though.
whatchagonadot@reddit
that's even worse, because you are categorized as a professional
PersonalitySmall593@reddit
Its a mixed bag. In my experience rural settings are more likely to intervene than those in the City. But even then most people will not unless its a real life or danger situation. People have been sued who came in to help before.
1singhnee@reddit
I think that last bit was the most important. If you try to aid someone with a medical issue, and inadvertently harm them, you WILL get sued. So like if you see a motorcycle accident, do NOT take their helmet off. If their neck is fractured you could paralyze them. And if you do, they will have a very strong case.
AtlasThe1st@reddit
Does the good samaritan law not cover that?
1singhnee@reddit
Not every state has a Good Samaritan law, and most of the laws have different things that are covered and are not. I’d pull someone out of a fire, I’d do CPR, I’d try to stop serious bleeding, but I definitely wouldn’t touch someone that might have broken bones.
And always always always call 911 first!
(Saying this as a former medic)
tragicsandwichblogs@reddit
I once splinted a kid's broken arm with a magazine and strapping tape, but I'm in California.
1singhnee@reddit
That’s fantastic. Lucky kid.
tragicsandwichblogs@reddit
I was a Girl Scout.
1singhnee@reddit
Me too! 🙌
AtlasThe1st@reddit
Oh wow, I had always thought good samaritan laws were federal, looking it up, all states have good samaritan laws, but they are not equal in what they protect. Reading further my state of Illinois' good samaritan laws seem pretty good, so at least Im good there
Mysteryman64@reddit
Good Samaritan laws may mean you don't have to pay out an award to the other party, but you're still on the hook for your defense lawyer.
calicoskiies@reddit
It really depends on what you physically do and the state you’re in. Iirc about half of the states have Good Samaritan laws in place, but they don’t cover gross negligence.
1singhnee@reddit
Yeah there is a lot of wiggle room in a lot of those laws.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
I think it’s kind of a similar situation in Egypt. Not the rural part but I think people in very affluent and rich areas tend to be less willing to intervene. Still much more willing than any other country I’ve seen though but they tend to keep to them selves a bit more.
MyNextVacation@reddit
It depends on the people and city. I was traveling in Mississippi and lost an eyeglasses screw in a restaurant. I got down on the floor to look for it and to my amazement, 5 of 6 friendly strangers were there with me asking what we were looking for and how they could help. They were so kind and this simple gesture made me.
The few Egyptians I’ve met are such kind people. I hope you have a wonderful day.
DopeCactus@reddit
Ive met exactly one egyptian person (not in the US though) and she’s was the loveliest! I hope she’s having an amazing life wherever she may be now.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
We love Americans too! You guys are so outgoing and warm compared to other cultures (which I fully respect and admire btw) such as Germany where people tend to prefer getting straight to the point and are less welcoming of small talk and what they consider ‘fake’ niceties.
eterran@reddit
I remember traveling through Germany in pre-smartphone days. We got out of the train station and had to use a map to find our hotel, so we spread it out on the ground, trying to find where we were and where we had to go.
An elderly German woman comes up to us and loudly and clearly yells/asks, "What are you doing on the ground! Stand up! It's dirty! You're going to ruin your clothes and that map! Give it to me! Now tell me, where are you trying to go!" It turns out she was actually trying to be motherly while also giving us very detailed directions.
It's not that Germans don't want to help, but there is zero small talk, only efficiency and directness 😂 Caveat: I'm part German and have lived there half my life, but it still shocks me. I think (hope) this is also a habit of the older generation.
unlimited_insanity@reddit
This is a perfect example of how kind is different from nice. Kind is a mindset. Nice is a social strategy.
when-octopi-attack@reddit
I’ve had many similar experiences. Lots of Germans seem unable to be helpful without also scolding the person they’re helping somehow. It’s weird.
btmg1428@reddit
If I was in that situation, I would tell her to fuck off and mind her own business.
Nobody but my own mother has the authority to act like a mother to me.
veryangryowl58@reddit
Also traveled Germany pre-iPhone. I found Germans to be rude, anti-American, and also I couldn't open a map without one of them popping up and asking me where I was trying to get to. It was a very strange experience.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
Yes that’s what I meant. They’re actually very friendly but they just have a different way of expressing it.
december14th2015@reddit
I used to be and English instructor and worked with a ton of Egyptians, they were some of my absolute favorite students!! I think the two cultures are both very warm and friendly, and actually mesh really well together for the most part. 😊
Strangy1234@reddit
Im American, but I love that part of German culture 😅
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
Everyone’s different. Many Americans are very reserved and many Germans are small talk masters but generally these are the stereotypes (although I can personally confirm the german stereotype)
Vert354@reddit
Also, it depends on the type of incident. A major component of the bystander effect is that, in a crowd, people feel someone else must be better qualified to help.
In your example. Everyone feels qualified to look for a small object on the floor. But if it had been a heart attack, most people aren't going to feel confident they know the right thing to do and may even feel they'd make things worse.
It's also why you shouldn't give vague instructions to a crowd. If you say "someone call the paramedics," everyone will pause because everyone calling at once is actually going to clog up the phone line. You should instead pick someone out and say "you call the paramedics," and that person is more likely to call right away.
Spiritual_Lemonade@reddit
I was at a strip mall and a stranger man collapsed in front of me. I did the loud "are you ok" he was conscious and clearly breathing. He attempted to get up. Suddenly random nearby grown men where doing the light jog for help. Someone got him sat. He wilted again. They held him up but seated.
I was on the phone with 911 and being very clear that a man I didn't know needed assistance. Of course they ask his medical history. Ma'am I don't know him I'm a stanger he's collapsed he's concious.
I was the only person who could say the exact address of where we were.
I wasn't going to to doing any touch aid but I got a flying squad there in a hurry.
He had been about to drive!!! Yikes
SteampunkExplorer@reddit
It definitely depends where you are. I live in a small town (which is relatively safe and low-crime) in the south (which has a culture of friendliness and helping your neighbor), so I think people around here would usually be pretty likely to jump in and help. I understand that it's different in some of the big cities, though. 🥲
SonofBronet@reddit
No, not really.
TexasPrarieChicken@reddit
Google Kitty Genovese.
SonofBronet@reddit
The reporting on that was absolute nonsense, and the fact it still gets cited as an example of the bystander effect is ridiculous.
Cosmic-Ape-808@reddit
The bystander effect does not affect some people and more specifically Dog people who many if not MOST Americans definitely are. When we socialize dogs at dog parks we shut that down by yelling LOUDLY and the dogs usually breakup but if it doesn’t then more physical intervention is needed
Budgiejen@reddit
Well, there is this guy in the neighborhood who uses a wheelchair. Usually inebriated. He was at my work, leaving to cross the street when I got there. He dropped a bag and couldn’t reach it. I saw probably 10 or more cars go right past him. I was going to help him as soon as I parked, but he finally managed to maneuver to pick it up.
I think that if you’re clean and not under the influence of drugs and look housed, you’ll usually get help. But as soon as you’re a homeless drunk, everybody looks the other way.
Spiritual_Lemonade@reddit
Well I've received little to no help from bystanders even when I was yelling back off and get away in regards to an old woman who was a stranger and yet intensely about 1 inch from my body.
As a bystander I have absolutely jumped up, spoke up, or done something when clearly needed.
Most Americans talk a good game and then do 💩 when it comes time to act
JadeDansk@reddit
My car’s engine died at the airport in the cell phone parking lot. I asked someone if I could jump it and within 5 minutes there were 3 older men taking a look at my engine and giving advice.
Mr Rogers once said to “look for the helpers”. Wholesome stuff
NoPoet3982@reddit
I don't fully believe in the bystander effect. It was first identified in the 60s or 70s when a woman in New York city was murdered and supposedly none of her neighbors called for help. Later it turned out that many had called the police but the police had bungled the response and covered it up.
I get that it's a good idea to point to someone and say "You call 911" and "you help me stabilize the neck" etc. but the idea that people don't help is, in my experience at least, totally wrong.
__The_Kraken__@reddit
I saw a woman faint in the grocery store. People were running to help her. Two nurses were working on her within one minute and store employees were grabbing first aid supplies off the shelves and opening them. I observed no bystander effect. There may be regional differences, though. America is a big place.
Cavalcades11@reddit
I think it really depends on the situation and person. If you see someone bothering a kid or a woman alone, I’ve (anecdotally) noticed that everyone within the vicinity will come running to their aid. I don’t think the reaction is as big if it’s a man being bothered.
However the level of perceived danger is also relevant, as I suspect it is for any bystander in the world. I’m less inclined to intervene in a knife fight than I am in helping someone get away from a creep. If boy scouts taught me anything, it’s that you can go from being assistance to being in need of assistance rather quickly.
Apptubrutae@reddit
Right.
Innocent person just happens to be in trouble with no other obvious risk? Easy.
Someone having a mental health episode? Someone being threatened by an assailant? Harder.
I’m not a bystander at all. I help people constantly. I’m the guy on the ski slopes who is immediately stopping to check on people who fall or grabbing gear they left uphill.
But if someone is potentially posing harm to me, I’m going into self-preservation mode.
BlueRFR3100@reddit
We are always willing to help people that are hurt or injured, but we do tend to stay back if a fight breaks out. Too many guns in this country to risk it.
Nice_Marmot_7@reddit
It’s just not a good idea anywhere regardless of guns. A fight is a volatile and uncontrollable situation. If you get knocked down and hit your head on pavement that’s it for you. Both people fighting could turn on you. Someone’s buddy could come choke you out from behind. Etc. etc.
And for what? If two strangers are fighting why are you obligated to get involved? What are you trying to achieve?
Strange_Space_7458@reddit
In the US getting involved will get you either sued or put in jail. Even the people you help will sue you and our courts are without common sense.
bearsnchairs@reddit
The mass sexual assaults in Egypt really conflict with your assessment here.
Nice_Marmot_7@reddit
Yeah I immediately thought of the Lara Logan story. Although I think some local women did try to help her after the fact.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
Recent Sources for that please. Sexual harassment is a problem but Idk about assault.
SonOfMcGee@reddit
When one guy starts and bystanders notice, they all join in. Seems to align.
Darkdragoon324@reddit
It depends. In a major emergency, people who are able to assist others tend to do so. Like the Boston Marathon bombing, people who snapped out of their shock tried to help others who were wounded and bleeding.
Some are always going to be quicker to react than others, not everyone will always understand how to help in an emergency situation without direction.
Two random guys throwing hands on the street, people will probably be less inclined to intervene, especially if they didn't see in what context the fight started. They might be hurt themselves for little to no actual benefit of the fighters, so it's best to wait for the authorities to take care of it.
jhumph88@reddit
Boston is also a different animal. People say that Bostoners are rude and unfriendly, and that’s not true. If you mess with someone, the sense of community comes out. How many other cities would go into full lockdown to search for two people? Do NOT fuck with Boston
vim_deezel@reddit
I found them very straight forward, but very nice and friendly, maybe a little too talkative. In Texas I've known more than a few people be sugary sweet, but fake as hell (tbf most are not). I have to admit it was on a few business trips + going to bars at night to kill time, so I didn't actually live there; strangers seemed plenty friendly and as likely to chat as I tend to be.
Ok_Motor_3069@reddit
Americans tend to be pretty proactive when they see someone in trouble, in my experience.
Careless_Ocelot_4485@reddit
If one person jumps in to help someone, 4 or 5 more will join. It just takes one person to get the ball rolling and then you have people helping. My sister is an RN (nurse) and she doesn't hesitate to help someone in distress. We were at church for Christmas services and a young woman two rows in front of us started to sway and pass out. My sister practically lept over the pews to help this woman who had fainted. When my mom got a flat tire, several people pulled over to help. Most people like to feel useful and helpful in an emergency.
PaintingNouns@reddit
Keep in mind the origin of the term, the story about the woman getting murdered in New York and screaming and everyone ignoring her is a myth.
I’ve never had a problem in public and not had someone offer to help.
OK_Ingenue@reddit
Bystander intervention in psychology. https://www.simplypsychology.org/bystander-effect.html
Ill have to say, tho that when I’ve had problems, people have stepped up to help
DistinctAmbition1272@reddit
I’d say the response would be mixed generally and varies greatly depending on the area in the USA. That being said, there are countless heroic examples of Americans risking their lives to help a stranger in need.
I have gotten myself involved to help a stranger before and I know many others would.
UnfairHoneydew6690@reddit
One experience that will always stick with me is coming upon a bad wreck on the interstate that had just happened and within seconds people were out of their cars rushing to help.
jhumph88@reddit
I had a major wreck happen right in front of me on the highway one time. An Isuzu lost control, hit a Grand Cherokee that spun into the guard rail, Grand Cherokee knocked a Geo Metro into the median, and the Isuzu ended up flipping like five times and landed on its roof. Within seconds a crowd of probably 20 people was working together to help get everyone out of their cars. I helped one of the kids get out of the back seat of the Isuzu and then realized I was basically just in the way, so I went over and checked on the woman who was driving the Jeep since she seemed uninjured and nobody else was talking to her. Just sat with her on the guardrail until emergency services arrived to check her out. This was in Massachusetts. Meanwhile, the other day I saw a pedestrian get run over by a car and the only person who stopped to help was the woman who had hit the pedestrian. People were honking because it was holding up traffic. This was in California. I would have stopped, but a paramedic friend of mine once told me that unless an accident has just immediately happened, the best thing to do is to call 911 unless you have medical training and are qualified to assist.
SciAlexander@reddit
15 years ago I flipped my car in Utah. I was fine, it was a gentle roll. Mostly I was embarrassed from hanging from the roof.
About 1 in every three passing cars asked if I was all right. That sounds about right for me.
It's a little wost for medical issues, but most people don't feel qualified to help. Also, they can be in a bit of shock.
Forward-Wear7913@reddit
I fell on ice, and while the majority of people ignored me on the ground, two very kind bystanders helped me crawl to a chair and helped me get up.
It’s a sociological phenomenon that people will think someone else is going to take care of the issue and they go along with their business.
I’m always one of the first people to rush to help someone who’s hurt or call 911 if I think they need further assistance. I don’t make assumptions that other people are going to help.
I remember seeing a friend fall at a hotel. Another person who knows her as well, just walked away while I was rushing to her side.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
I studied the bystander effect academically. Look into the case of Kitty Genovese. Absolutely mortifying.
https://youtu.be/kepwlL44Neo?si=k4iEGlZlRlEf8j1-
That’s an excellent documentary about it and it’s what launched research into the bystander effect.
Forward-Wear7913@reddit
Yes, I was a sociology major and we had a lot of discussion about it in my classes including studying that case. It really was a horrific tragedy.
SonofBronet@reddit
I hope it was discussed how terrible of an example of the bystander effect it was.
MPLS_Poppy@reddit
The bystander effect wasn’t even real when it was first described. People called 911 for Kitty Genovese. The police just didn’t come because it was an area that well know to be populated by homosexuals. So if by the bystander effect you mean that our cops don’t want to help people who don’t meet social norms then yeah, sure, that’s true. But people in America absolutely help each other in a crisis.
CountChoculasGhost@reddit
I used to live in a smaller city in the Midwest.
I once took a NASTY fall down my icy front steps. Almost certainly broke my tailbone or at least severely bruised it, but was also very close to hitting the back of my head in a concrete step.
My neighbor across the street, who I had never talked to before, happened to be going out to his car at the time. He very noticeable stopped at his car and waited for a few minutes for me to get up. He probably thought he just saw me crack my head open. So that was nice. Clearly was keeping an eye out for me.
yosefsbeard@reddit
https://youtu.be/6_bNltN6JNY?si=LOXfp0icknbWtn_v
Bystander effect not in effect in this video.
Fit-Rip-4550@reddit
There is no absolute consensus as to what would happen. People could ignore it or someone could be a good Samaritan. With fights, it could be as simple as someone pulling out a firearm and the situation defuses itself.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
Pulling out a firearm is so American lol.
UnfairHoneydew6690@reddit
In all my years of living in a “gun obsessed” area I’ve seen exactly zero guns pulled on anyone. Hell, I haven’t even seen a cop pull a gun on someone in person.
Maybe cool the stereotypes a bit.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
I know it’s largely a stereotype but you’re infinitely more likely to get the shot in the US than you are in Egypt based on numbers alone. My uncle is a doctor and his 25 years of practicing as a general surgeon in one of the largest hospital in the country, he’s only seen a gun shot wound twice.
BananaMapleIceCream@reddit
It would cut down on Egypt’s sexual assault problem.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
It would but you don’t understand our culture and our personality as a country. If we get something like the send amendment, it would be hell on earth.
UnfairHoneydew6690@reddit
Did you really just try to defend sexual assault as cultural?
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
Wtf why would I ever do that. I simply said that giving out guns in egypt would be an absolute nightmare even compared the alleged sexual assault problem that we have in egypt.
SonofBronet@reddit
Nothing alleged about it, buddy
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
Of course fucking not, why would you even interpret it like that. I was trying to say that giving out guns in Egypt would be a much bigger problem than our sexual assault “problem”, wherever you got that from. Sexual harassment is common as it is in most of the world but sexual assault is incredibly rare.
Oh107bibi@reddit
Arab American here (not Egyptian)….yes, it’s more common in the US, but it’s regular in parts of the Middle East too….my family across all of the countries in al sham, and my Iraqi friends can confirm lol.
My brother in law is Egyptian, his neighborhood was rough over there, lol. His videos always had guys with pistols, or old rifles shooting them in the air in the middle of the city.
anneofgraygardens@reddit
fwiw I've never seen this happen. it would be an absolutely shocking moment if someone actually did this.
DrBlankslate@reddit
This is the nation where the bystander effect was first documented, so take that for what it's worth.
Also, "Americans" is not going to work in your question. The answer will be different depending on whether you're in the South, Los Angeles, New York, somewhere in the Midwest... regional cultures exist, and they do change our behaviors and reactions. So you might want to add in "where in the US are you?" to get a better sense of what we'd actually do. A Californian's answer is going to be different than someone from Florida or Boston.
SonofBronet@reddit
If you’re talking about the kitty Genovese case, that was total nonsense and a terrible example of the bystander effect. Multiple people called the police, and at least one person yelled from their apartment window when they saw what was happening.
_CPR__@reddit
If you're referring to the murder of Kitty Genovese, the classic "bystander effect" example, it's been proven false. The NYT later apologized for grossly exaggerating the number of people who heard something, and for not reporting the fact that several neighbors did call or attempt to call the authorities.
LoyalKopite@reddit
My intro Arabic professor in college was from Egypt. He told us he visited Egypt after the revolution and there was lot of hope for future among Egyptians. He visited year later again and sadness had return to Egypt.
TheOneTrueNeb@reddit
It's weaker in the cities and stronger in the rural areas, relatively speaking
Fractured-disk@reddit
I saw a lady go into labor on a sidewalk once and no one sat around and watched we all jumped in to help (I called an ambulance). I’ve seen car accidents happen and I’ve been in them before and no one just passed it by without checking on us. The bystander effect honestly feels like a myth to me based on my experience but I know it’s not
Bluesnow2222@reddit
In rush hour traffic on a busy main road I saw a man in an electric wheel chair have one wheel fall off the side walk into the road where he was precariously stuck and at risk of falling all the way over into traffic. I pulled over to help worried no one else would- but like 4 other people did as well- which is good because by myself I probably wasn’t strong enough to help stabilize the chair.
We blocked off the lane of the road till he was able to get to a ramp back onto the sidewalk. One person stayed with him saying they wanted to make sure he was ok, his wheel chair wasn’t damaged and to help the man make a non emergency report as the reason the man fell in the road was because the sidewalk was mostly obstructed by shrubbery overgrowth and it was a path he used every day. He was trying to go around the shrubbery when his wheelchair went down.
The whole thing only took 10 minutes. If no one had come to help me I probably would have had to call 911- so I’m glad people jumped in.
Not as big a deal- but I’m currently handicapped—- I have good and bad days- but I walk with a pretty bad limp. Everytime I drop something or try to carry something heavy by myself a bunch of people ask to help me. Last time I tried to getting a big bag of potting soil I tried to carry it over my shoulder because I had forgotten a cart and I must have looked quite pathetic as someone basically begged to carry it to the register for me. The last time I dropped something I was trying to mentally calculate how I was going to manage reaching it when some 80+ year old grandma told me “oh no honey, I got it!” I’m glad there’s so many people willing to help me… but I am in my 30’s so it can be a little embarrassing. I’m getting a surgery soon though so hopefully that helps!
To clarify location- I’m currently in Texas.
Loose-Set4266@reddit
I think this is situation dependent. People will put their own safety first, and should, so won't always step in to help someone who is getting assualted. But I've found that most people will jump in to help others when it is safe to do so and many will jump in even when it isn't.
I had a flat tire and pulled off the side of the road waiting on roadside assistance and had a couple of people stop and offer to change my tire for me.
BraddockAliasThorne@reddit
fights and accidents are two very different events. i wouldn't even consider intervening in a street fights. i would get away from it asap. in terms of accidents, emergency services tend to arrive very quickly (unless weather or flooding or other catastrophe prevents access), especially in the northeast US. car accidents is where my mind goes when i hear the word "accident." these can be very dangerous situations for both the car occupants & the drivers around them. i do know that emergency workers-fire fighters, cops, emts-do not want anyone around an accident scene unless they have a job to do.
Queasy-Insurance3559@reddit
It really really depends on the amount of onlookers and where in the country you are. While in the car with my partner (at the time) we witnessed a pedestrian get hit. Multiple people stopped to assist the guy and there were several people on the phone immediately including myself
leafcomforter@reddit
In general people from the US are helpful and kind. I have found the southern states to be more friendly.
livelongprospurr@reddit
Chicagoans are very friendly and helpful. They will talk to you easily and help you. I'm not from Chicago, I just live here (30 years now, lol). It's very nice.
WittyAndWeird@reddit
If there’s a fight of some sort, I’m minding my own business. I don’t want to get shot. If someone needs any other kind of help, I will help if I’m needed. But if I see that other people have it handled I just go on.
Adamon24@reddit
It depends on a lot of factors (we’re not exactly a small homogeneous country)
But in general people here will help strangers in public as long as they’re reasonably sure that doing so won’t put them in danger.* The stereotype is that it’s more common for people in rural areas to intervene. But in my experience, you’ll usually get someone to help in cities as well.
*To be clear, most of us aren’t going to physically intervene in a mugging or armed robbery. Some particularly bold people will. But most of us will just call the cops.
rawbface@reddit
It's going to vary wildly by region and by the situation.
No chance in hell I would ever try to break up a fight, but I have been first-aid and CPR certified in the past, so I would jump in to help an injured person without hesitation.
blueponies1@reddit
Places like NYC have the stereotype of people not caring or helping but where I am from people will almost certainly step in to any situation. Even if you pull over with a flat tire you’ll probably get 2-3 people offering to help you. I am baffled when I see videos in places like China and nobody looks like they’re even paying attention when accidents or injuries happen
mocha_lattes_@reddit
It truly depends on the place and situation. Someone falls or drops something and needs help, of course I'm jumping in. Someone is getting attacked, nope. I have a kid I have to think of plus I'm a small woman who's disabled even though I don't appear like it on the outside. I can't risk my safety to help. I'll damn sure be on the phone with 911 and trying to get a picture or video of the person doing the attacking for evidence.
RexCelestis@reddit
I collapsed from a stroke while walking through Chicago's Loop a few years back. Four or five people came to help me.
TonyJadangus@reddit
People can say what they want, having lived all over the United States and also in Morocco for 4 years I can tell you that the bystander effect is much stronger in the United States than in Morocco, although there is some variance from place to place within both countries. I will refer to my experience in Morocco to provide some contrast.
Overall in Morocco people are in your business, whether it is to your benefit or to your detriment and this goes for everyone, not just foreigners like myself. America has a more individualist culture and it has always been this way although it has trended further in this direction in the past 100 years. I think there are likely a few factors that influence this.
I would imagine this comes from 1.) the culture brought here from Western Europe which also tends more towards individualism. 2.) A lack of homogeneity that would facilitate a sense of shared values as a collective 3.) The sheer size of the country which allows people to live in more isolated communities and housing that is spaced far apart 4.) Wealth and development that facilitates this separation e.g. you can live 20 minutes from the local market because many people can afford a car and there is a highway to drive it on.
Contrast that with Morocco where 1.) The population is largely homogeneous i.e. Arab and Amazighy Muslim 2.) The country is less developed economically so homes are built close together and literally on top of one another out of necessity which of course creates a physical closeness within communities 3.) The values of Islam guide day to day practice and while there are drawbacks as with any religion, in general they strongly promote acts of kindness and charity
In my experience, small town folk in the US tend to be more willing to help and more likely to intervene. As others have said big city types are numbed all forms of spectacle including emergency situations although I would still be shocked if I were to say crash my car on a busy street in LA and not have people come to my aid. But these are the big emergencies. Day to day smaller things do get largely ignored. There is a reason for this.
Americans value privacy and self determination. People might be reluctant to make the connection between the individualist values and a bystander effect in a real life emergency situation, but my opinion is that if you are less likely to insert yourself into other peoples' lives on a daily basis, to talk to them, to physically touch them, you will also find that social/physical barrier difficult to break in an emergency. It is taboo to assume. People hesitate to involve themselves out of respect for privacy and a plain lack of practice in it.
When you walk down the street in Morocco you more or less are socially obliged to say hello and how are you and how is your sister and how is your health and your child and so on... When you go through a crowd in Morocco you might put your hand against somebody's back or chest to gently guide them, an old woman might just grab onto your arm to help steady herself on the bus, these things are not unheard of in the US but breaking the touch barrier can be a big deal and in Morocco these things are done without a thought. The difference between you and me is just thinner, and that has its benefits and its drawbacks as anyone would tell you.
TheOwlMarble@reddit
I used to live in the middle of nowhere Midwest where if you were stopped on the side of the road, half of drivers would stop. (This is not an exaggeration. I used to work in driver assistance tech, and people stopping to help our test vehicles ruined a lot of data.)
Then I moved to a city on the east coast, and within the first six months, someone faked an emergency to try to steal from me.
veryangryowl58@reddit
Yep. I've had a lot of car trouble (I was a dumb teenager, never hurt anyone but myself, though) and it never happened without people pulling over to help. Even had a couple of random guys go buy me gas and bring it back to my car for me when my dumb 16 year old self completely ran out of gas.
Sleepygirl57@reddit
As a middle of no where life long Indiana resident you are so correct about people stopping to help. Especially in the winter.
Sleepygirl57@reddit
Not only does the area matter but I think the ages of people matter. Us older folks jump in to help. Younger as in 24 or younger just stand and video the situation. That said if someone takes charge and starts telling by standards what to do they will jump in and help.
silliestboots@reddit
It's funny you ask this question, bc I recently witnessed a situation with "Americans" (feel free to read as "white/black/brown people several generations at least removed from immigration") along with Vietnamese business owners where there was a sudden emergency and was struck by how different the reactions/non-reactions were.
I was in the nail salon getting a mani. The salon is owned and operated by all Vietnamese folks. In the middle of getting my mani, a young girl (about 16 or 17) suddenly fell over, out of her chair, onto the floor, having passed out. Immediately several customers, myself included, jumped up to go see about her. Turned out she had not eaten anything and had passed out from low blood sugar. Thankfully, a nurse was among the patrons and she stayed with her assisting through out.
I was amazed that not one of the employees ever moved from where they were and wondered if it was a cultural thing.
StationOk7229@reddit
These days they'll all just whip out their phones and start filming.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
You know you gotta protect your self with the camera man effect. Never know what’s gonna happen.
GIRose@reddit
I don't know about everyone, but I am pretty sure I would be subject to the bystander effect.
I don't have any experience, and I like to think I would defy my expectations of myself, but I'll never know until it happens.
mtcwby@reddit
Fighting between two guys, nope. That's a good way to get killed or hurt and I'm almost sixty and don't bounce back the same. Husband, wife, you call the cops. Frankly DV stuff is hated by the cops because it's so dangerous and they have to get involved. Me as a citizen, nope.
Medical you're going to stop to help from what I've seen. I'm calling 911 as I'm moving to help. Accident is the same. You do your best while getting the pros there.
Sea-Kitchen3779@reddit
I've seen people get guns pointed at them, stabbed, and bones broken for trying to break up fights here.
Not worth it at all.
theirishdoughnut@reddit
Where I live, everybody will call 911, and only people who feel qualified to help will physically interfere in an emergency situation. If you just need help (getting a stroller onto a bus, finding a lost object, need directions) if you look like you would accept help, most people will try to help.
Prowindowlicker@reddit
So it depends on the state and what has happened. If there’s an accident like a vehicle accident or some such then in certain states you are required by law to render aid or you can go to jail.
In others people will help without such a law
grayscale001@reddit
Depends on where and what happened.
Soundwave-1976@reddit
Depends I am not medically trained or know cor Soni am not going to jump into a medical situation because I might do the wrong thing and end up getting sued.
For fights and stuff most people just mind their own business not wanting to get involved.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
Yeah here people usually gather to see what’s happening and if it’s a medical emergency you’ll find people yelling out for a doctor, running to get a doctor they know etc.
For example I once saw a huge car accident where the guy in the car was flipped and the driver was unconscious and bleeding. People quickly gathered around, noticed the door wasn’t opening and the guy was too big to rescue through the window. So a couple of guys ran and brought a local car mechanic and a blacksmith and they carved the metal off the car before emergency services could arrive. It was insane to watch.
Ok_Egg_471@reddit
In my experiences, it’s terrible here. But I’m only one person.
ToastMate2000@reddit
Depends on the risk to the potential helper. People will usually try to help if someone is injured or just in need of assistance that doesn't pose any threat to other people. But few people will intervene in a fight or try to help someone who is having some sort of dramatic psychological crisis. That's generally just a way to become another victim. You just call 911 if appropriate and stay out of the way.
flareon141@reddit
Too broad a question. It won't be the same for a car crash v brawl in the street. Time of day, who is involved, risks to the observer... If there is a fight outside my house at night(or day) I'll call the cops but there
SevenHunnet3Hi5s@reddit
i’m originally from a country that’s more of in the middle. not that people don’t care or won’t help. but a lot of people are kinda left in shock when they see stuff like a fight or crime happening because it really isn’t that common. “don’t get involved” is what i was taught a lot. admittedly i’m someone who’s not very confrontational from growing up in that kind of culture.
that being said, america is miles ahead. i know it’s a large country with too many people to generalize. but one thing is that people here are very confrontational. with is a good thing in this instance. people aren’t afraid to speak up when something goes wrong. people aren’t afraid to jump in and help. i’ve never witnessed a crime or fight or anything crazy like that. but i’ve been through a lot of public inconveniences, and an accident once in america and people are always ready to jump in and at least say something out loud and call for help.
G00dSh0tJans0n@reddit
It depends. If there's a fight or some kind of trouble, I'm getting out of there. Never know when somebody is going to start shooting.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
Yep, I’d probably never try to intervene in fights in the US too considering the very high risk of someone pulling out a firearm.
terryaugiesaws@reddit
Yup, it's also the same reason I don't get road rage or flip people off in traffic.
Someone just got shot and killed on the Interstate in my city this week.
G00dSh0tJans0n@reddit
In America we have a saying, "not my circus, not my monkeys."
If it is a big disturbance I would just call the police. They have qualified immunity when intervening, I do not.
will_macomber@reddit
It depends on location and who’s around and what’s going on. I pulled three people from a flipped over truck with my buddy and a few other veterans and an off duty EMT. Before the EMT came along, it was my buddy and I doing the saving mostly, then the EMT helped too. The cops that showed up watched us do the heavy lifting. I punched through a GMC truck windshield that day and cut two seatbelts with a camping knife. The kicker was the entire rig could have blown because we didn’t realize at first that the fuel tank on the truck and random propane tanks from the towed fifth wheel RV were leaking. Those were the third, fourth, and fifth lives I saved out of six so far.
wvc6969@reddit
I think it depends on where you are. If something happened in the middle of Manhattan then maybe some people would help but the majority of people would definitely go about their business. Maybe in a smaller town more people would get involved
MSPCSchertzer@reddit
If a grown man hits a kid or a woman, they will get jumped in Manhattan just like anywhere else. If its two people fighting on the subway, we aren't getting involved.
anneofgraygardens@reddit
yeah, to give an example, i happened to be in a... not fantastic part of San Francisco when someone had apparently had a medical event and was lying on the sidewalk. As I walked by, the person was surrounded by a large crowd, to the point that I could barely see them. i guess i could have joined the crowd but I'm not a medical professional and I'm sure my presence would not have improved the situation, so I continued walking.
A few minutes late, i walked past again in the opposite direction and there were paramedics at the scene, helping the person and talking to the bystanders.
I was concerned but continued my business because there wasn't really anything for me to do.
OldRaj@reddit
This depends on the state and sometimes the city. I live in a place where carrying of firearms is common. People will intervene if violence erupts.
Leo_Ascendent@reddit
People will stop and start recording you if you get in an altercation.
Depending on where you are, if you need help, people will stop and help, or totally ignore you.
tarheel_204@reddit
Totally depends on where you are in America and who happens to be there
I saw someone have a seizure back in high school and almost immediately, two or three staff members saw and ran over to help.
We also had a case a week or two ago where some guy burned a poor woman alive on a NYC subway and literally nobody tried to help
frogmuffins@reddit
In most situations someone will help.
In a small college town, I slipped on some ice on my bicycle and was lying motionless and in pain for a few minutes. People literally walked over me like I wasn't there. Finally one person stopped to asking if I was ok. I was ok but had a large bruise on the side of my hip.
GSilky@reddit
It is situational. The first thing Americans are told to consider is personal safety crossed with your ability to do anything. As a shopkeep in a more colorful neighborhood, I often am in a position where I need to intervene. I weigh my options and usually decide to call the authorities to handle the situation. If someone needs to escape an adversary, I suggest they lock themselves in the bathroom until authorities arrive. I have seen the results of passersby getting involved in disputes, it's often not a good ending for anyone.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
Well I think personally, I’d be much less willing to intervene in breaking out fights due to the vey high risk that someone is carrying a firearm.
GSilky@reddit
Yup. I am going to do what I can, while maintaining my safety and the safety of my customers and staff. I had an assistant manager who got between a domestic argument, the husband drove over her with his truck and dragged her into the street. She was in the ICU for six weeks. That couple is still together, making each other absolutely miserable.
gingerjuice@reddit
I depends on the situation. I think people are more likely to intervene in the more rural areas. I saw an old man fall down in a puddle of water once in a parking lot of a food store. There were about 6 people standing there watching him try to get up. I parked my car, walked over to him, and asked him if he needed an ambulance. He said he didn't, and I helped him up. The whole time I was helping, a store employee was yelling at me to leave him. He said he had already called someone. I just stared at him. Was he really going to let that old man lay in a cold puddle instead of helping him up? The old guy wasn't hurt, he was just wet and couldn't get his feet under him.
ParkingChampion2652@reddit (OP)
That’s terrible. If something like that happens there would probably be some sort of global increase in water levels from the number of people jumping in the water to help the man, even more-so because he was old.
OrdinarySubstance491@reddit
I would say it's pretty strong. I'm always thinking I would jump in but I often find myself slow to react. Truth be told, I haven't seen THAT many accidents in public.
AnalogNightsFM@reddit
In 2022, the US placed third of most charitable countries, and had the highest score in helping a stranger out of all countries, according to the World Giving Index.
In 2025, the US dropped to sixth most charitable country, and is longer even in the top 10 in helping a stranger, at 76%.