How do I find an instructor that will endorse for the par written exam?

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pilotjlr@reddit

Your online ground school (Sportys, King, etc) will issue you an endorsement.

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Admirable-Staff7146@reddit (OP)

I'm scoring 90s right now after the study buddy app, so I don't feel like dropping hundreds of dollars and time to just get an endorsement.

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You will have to pay one way or the other. You either pay $300(sometimes less) for an online ground school, or you’ll pay for 3-4+ hours of CFI ground instruction time to review your knowledge and everything you have studied.

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Admirable-Staff7146@reddit (OP)

Yeah I will do ground school when I'm training at the flight school. I just need to get the writtens out of the way now so I can focus on flying later. ATP flight school recommends doing this.

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TxAggieMike@reddit

You are aware of the good and bad of ATP?

And you are also aware of you attend ATP or a 141, you will be required to sit through their ground school and knowledge prep classes?

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Admirable-Staff7146@reddit (OP)

Yup

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Ldpattv6@reddit

Hey dude. You’re going to get screwed. The ATP next door to the school I taught at had a 40% first time pass rate.

If you fail more than two rides you aren’t getting a job.

Don’t do it lmao

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Admirable-Staff7146@reddit (OP)

I don't know if you are an airline pilot or not but this was said from actual airline pilots: "what makes you think you will pass the airlines' check rides and training if you can't even pass ATP flight schools'? A lot of people wash out from the airline training, and if they went to atp, I doubt they would even be at the airline training in the first place."

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sunny5222@reddit

Sounds like ATP is a great place for you to go.

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Ldpattv6@reddit

“Oh wow an airline Pilot really said that?”

Dude you have no idea how ANY of this actually works.

I’m a Gold Seal CFI. I have my CFI, CFII, and MEI. I’ve sent 30 students off on checkrides with none of them failing between 8 examiners I use.

I’m also a charter pilot. I have a class date in two months for my airline, but I’m currently typed on the Jet I fly.

ATP’s first time pass rate is so bad because all they want is your money. Their instructors are lackluster. They send you to the worst first available DPE’s no one else uses, because they are available earlier.

I have friends and former instructors at Delta who took all their primary checkrides with easier or fair DPE’s
I have friends who have 5+ checkride busts because their school or university forced them to go with the worst examiners possible.

^ ATP does this shit

Heed everyone’s advice here. Use the search function. You aren’t “that one guy.” ATP screws people over hard.

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WhiteoutDota@reddit

And the rest of the industry recommends staying away from ATP.

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Admirable-Staff7146@reddit (OP)

I would avoid going to atp if there is another flight school with a solid stat of putting a lot of pilots into the airlines.

How much did you guys spend on flight training? I have to spend $130,000 in 1 year approx.

I'll consider switching if others are considerably cheaper.

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BandicootNo4431@reddit

You can get to MEI/CFII for under $75k at a part 61

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Weasel474@reddit

50k to go 0-MEI. Please, if you can still back out, go somewhere else. You can trust the hundreds of pilots here, with hundreds of thousands of cumulative hours, at probably every airline and major flying company in the US, or you can believe the guys asking you for six figures.

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VileInventor@reddit

there’s a reason literally everything you’re saying is getting downvoted. search atp in this reddit.

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BluProfessor@reddit

From 0-Commercial checkride sign off, I'm probably $40,000 total in. Add another $6000 for my multi add on. CFI Oreo is already done.

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Admirable-Staff7146@reddit (OP)

Oh wow. I quickly were you able to go from 0-commercial?

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BluProfessor@reddit

2 years. I'm not going to the airlines though.

I'm a full time professor with a wife and (now) 2 kids. My goal is to be a CFI/CFII. I've done all of my training part 61 through independent CFIs and a flying club.

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WhiteoutDota@reddit

CFI Oreo? Man they just don't stop making new varieties. Like double stuff was cool but i think it's going too far at this point.

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WhiteoutDota@reddit

Going to just about any mom and pop 61 school can easily go for HALF of that, and that's without being particularly frugal or talented student.

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PP4life@reddit

ATP's advertising has worked again! I hope the marketing people at ATP are paid really well. They certainly earn it!

ATP is not going to "put you into the airlines". They are going to "put a few certificates in your wallet to fill the hole left by the money they took". And then they "might" give you a job as a CFI. And if not, they'll dump you on the street with 5,000 other CFIs and a disgusting student loan payment.

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WhiteoutDota@reddit

Couldn't have said it better myself. I would wager that most of the CFIs they create don't get employed by them. There just simply isn't enough students or planes to make it possible.

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bhalter80@reddit

Slow down, relax, breathe deep, the written have a 2 year expiration there's near 0 value in getting them done way ahead since most of the information you memorized is practically rote and without the context necessary for higher levels of learning.

Take what you know keep it fresh and take your tests when it makes sense. It takes 250 hours to get to CPL there's virtually no such thing as being ahead of or beyond the game

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pilotjlr@reddit

When you take your checkride, your examiner will require seeing either proof of online ground school having been completed, or logged ground training from an instructor.

Getting an endorsement and then passing the written is not enough.

Basically you have to do online ground school.

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root_at_localhost@reddit

God you’re going to be insufferable as a student pilot if you’re this difficult already for an endorsement. Do the online class get the endorsement there or pay $400 to a CFI to sit with you for god knows how long to make sure you’re not going to fail it.

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BandicootNo4431@reddit

I know right?

Seems like the kind.of.guy where you tell him you like a sterile cockpit and sit in silence for the whole flight.

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BandicootNo4431@reddit

Search this sub for "ATP flight school"

I see 4 massive complaints in the top 5 search results.

If you're dumb enough to pay $130k for your ratings to be less competitive in the industry though, power to you.

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BluProfessor@reddit

When you daily "waiting on your medical" do you mean it has been deferred to the FAA? If that's the case, I wouldn't spend a dime on any training, ground or otherwise, until you're confirmed able to get a medical.

You could go ground school online with a flight instructor or ground instructor to get your endorsement. I've given endorsements online to students before but usually after they have a medical and they're just waiting for flight training to start or to supplement.

Nobody that values their instructor certificate is going to just sign you off without knowing you based on some printed practice tests that they can't verify.

Proto: If ATP is suggesting you do something, you should probably get 3 more opinions.

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Admirable-Staff7146@reddit (OP)

Yeah. My medical has been deferred because of LASIK. Regional Flight Surgeon confirmed I should get the medical, but they are short staffed like always, so I need to wait. Yeah, ATP definitely rushes things, and I better be ready for its pace.

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Guysmiley777@reddit

Sounds like a case of TANSTAAFL

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TxAggieMike@reddit

That Moon is a Harsh Mistress, no?

(Also a fan of Heinlein)

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Guysmiley777@reddit

Yep, my dad was always fond of that acronym when talking about advertising or marketing "deals".

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Slick-62@reddit

ASA study guide for $24. Pass 3 of their tests and get an endorsement.

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Admirable-Staff7146@reddit (OP)

Oh wow, that's awesome. I should give that a shot.

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RaiseTheDed@reddit

Online groundschools will give you a certificate that you can use to take the test once you complete the course.

If you're doing some home study stuff, you could ask a CFI to review your course and show them the practice tests.

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rFlyingTower@reddit

This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:

I'm waiting for my medical to start training in a flight school and in the meantime I want to get done with my written exams done. What should I do to get an endorsement for my PAR written (I know Sheppard can endorsement you for ira, can, etc), but I need a CFI that will want to give me an endorsement for the PAR.

Should I just go to a local mom and pop flight school with 3 90+ practice exam scores and 75 dollars cash to find a CFI that will give out an endorsement?

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