I'm too spoiled now | TheaterFire

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timawesomeness@reddit

That's been my experience as well, at least the last 10 years or so (back when I started using Linux 15 years ago that was very much not the case). Probably helps that I only buy stuff with confirmed Linux support.

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Yondercypres@reddit

It's funny. The longer I use an install, the better it becomes. My current Mint installation (~3 years) is my best Linux experience yet. The longer I have a Windows installation, the worse it gets.

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

i havent warmed up to mint yet, but my nephew loves and swears upon it.

i think its sleek and looks cool, but i don't know... i guess i just went fedora first and stuck to it.

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Yondercypres@reddit

Whatever worked, keep up with that. I've been considering getting another machine just to run Debian on. I'll wait for the right deal.

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deadlytoots@reddit

I have gotten to the point where, under normal circumstances, I can be up and running with a distro and be essentially stable within an hour these days. That is a far cry from when I started, so I’ll take the W on this one.

I have one primary SSD and two extras that I’ve been rotating over the past year with distros, so I’ve learned a lot about what not to do in fairly safe conditions.

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thatoneswitchguy@reddit

I was wondering if it’s possible to get the chrome print menu to work in fedora

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TrashWolf666@reddit

If only that were my experience with Linux :(

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

what is the distro you're trying out?

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TrashWolf666@reddit

Ubuntu

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Bucketlyy@reddit

Hop on the mint train

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

in my humble experience, and from everyone i talked to...

ubuntu is pretty crappy as a distro.

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Ok-Contact-182@reddit

🤷‍♀️so you basically are suffering from success?

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

Basically all the "simple things" I used to do in windows are a huge chore for me now.

Things are just working "out of the box" with linux; trying to do it on windows is a headache.

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Alwer87@reddit

That sound rather as skill issues , besides drivers are not OS fault ;). Maybe write on trchsupport if you are strugliy with windows so much

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ComplaintEastern571@reddit

Drivers arent the OS' fault, but Linux specifically includes drivers in their kernel so that many devices are supported. Windows, on the other hand simply chooses to not embed them into their system (I'm not exactly sure why)

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

to achieve the same functionality in linux, all i had to do was ask it to print or to scan.

to achieve the same functionality in windows, i had to uninstall the drivers it installed, rollback to manufacturer's drivers, restart, then rinse and repeat until it finally printed the test page.

if windows offers drivers to install, automatically, but they do no work... its definitely WINDOWS fault.

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natermer@reddit

It is a nice problem to have.

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MrMurrayOHS@reddit

Using Windows my entire life, I haven't had to download a Printer driver in 20+ years lol

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MrMurrayOHS@reddit

***That wasn't automatically installed via Plug n' Play.*****

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antennawire@reddit

***That doesn't have a feature other than plain printing.***

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MrMurrayOHS@reddit

Such as? Most home users aren't setting up DesignJets or giant office Laser printers.

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antennawire@reddit

Button for "scan to computer", print double sided, print with "unofficial" print cartridges, maybe more, it's been a while.

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immortalsteve@reddit

it has been a very long time because all of those things but the scan are in most generic print drivers in windows. the scan to computer may work as it is from the device side anyway.

Now, if you will excuse me I'm gonna go back to my Windows Print Server 'nam flashbacks.

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

i assumed i wouldn't have to, because it had installed drivers automatically.

but the printer wouldn't print.

using linux, it would print 10 out of 10 times.

reverted the drivers to manufactures in windows. still no print.

kept fiddling with drivers versions until i found the right one that worked on windows.

(and god, having to reboot every single reinstall)

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the-luga@reddit

In my experience, printers are bad to setup in Linux and windows. I had s good printer setup process only once that I remember.

I fucking hate printers.

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

i used to hate printers (and today i was hating them) when i tried to make them work under windows.

in linux it was pretty seamless... but maybe i just got lucky with this specific printer and fedora.

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highgo1@reddit

You probably got lucky with the printer and distro. For me, and the very specific printer I have, and using Arch, I need to download the rpm for the printer, extract it, move the files and install additional stuff to get the printer to work.

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Meqdadfn@reddit

Exactly the opposite.

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

wow, what distro are you using?

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Meqdadfn@reddit

Used Fedora, arch and now mint on my secondary machine.

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hazyPixels@reddit

A couple of decades ago part of my job was writing printer drivers (the rendering part, don't blame me for the rest please). I recently replaced my old printer with a laser printer/scanner/copier and I was rather upset with the state of the driver and software installation process. It's definitely gone downhill since it was being developed back in the day and I don't see evidence that it's maintained very well. It's a shame but I would attribute it to the printer business just not being as profitable as it once was and over-leveraging old code, but that's just an assumption on my part.

That said, Windows has a scanner tool you can download from the Microsoft Store, and it seems to work rather well. I think it's just named "Windows Scan". There's also a built-in web server in a lot of printers and you can initiate scans from it. You might need a firmware upgrade to enable it.

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

i had some issues in the past with microsoft store (some faulty software) so i usually strayed away from it.

but knowing now that it has a tool that could have saved me those 2h...! thanks for the info!

ill definitely give it a try next time i have to format that windows machine

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hazyPixels@reddit

Yeah I suspect there's still a lot of crapware on the Windows Store, just like there is on the App Store or Google Play. But in this case, it seemed to work. I also found it interesting that I was able to install it even though I never created a Microsoft account on that machine. I guess maybe they pulled back from that rule.

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BasilAmbitious3833@reddit

You could say that about literally any OS every developed. Proficiency for most people who didn’t grow up with early computing is achieved after bumping against its quirks and adapting to it within your workflow. Even if an OS is slightly better no reasonable person is willing to abandon decades of practical knowledge just to switch if there isn’t strong legacy support as well.

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_perdomon_@reddit

My experience has been less “just working” on Linux and more research and forum digging and trial and error. I’m not mad about it, though. I’ve learned a lot, and that’s useful in my line of work. Glad to hear you’ve had a pretty seamless experience, though! I hope your streak continues

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Blackstar1886@reddit

Yeah. My experience is that some things are very robust and the user experience is less hardware dependent, but there are still a lot of instances where things don't work as well as other Desktop OS's.

Too many things where the GUI is a dead end and digging into the Terminal is not a "just works" experience.

I think people promoting Linux for its ease of use are going to disappoint a lot of people giving it a chance.

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reddanit@reddit

Too many things where the GUI is a dead end and digging into the Terminal is not a "just works" experience.

This is one of very diverging places. For lots of "Linux people", me included, things genuinely can "just work" in terminal. Like - there is quite a bunch of things I do through various command line interfaces or even playbooks for Ansible that I wrote myself. They work smoothly, reliably and aren't difficult to set up with help of documentation. On the other hand, achieving similar results on Windows (which I deal with a decent amount through work) requires stuff that sometimes is closer to black magic incantations.

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I_Arman@reddit

Every few years, usually when building a new computer, I install both Windows and Linux concurrently - sometimes just a reinstall after refreshing hardware, sometimes building a computer for a friend.

Every time, installing and setting up Windows takes FOREVER to install. KUbuntu Linux downloads updates as it installs; Windows doesn't. Once it's installed, KUbuntu reboots maybe once after I install all my applications; Windows has to reboot after every driver install, most software installs, and then another 5-10 times while it's installing updates. It pauses installing updates until you reboot. I keep thinking future versions of Windows will improve, but it seems to have peaked at Windows 7. That's not a skill or experience limitation, either, that's just following the automated installation process.

By the time Windows is done installing the OS and has completed its update/reboot loop, I've already installed all the software I need on Linux and am halfway through a game on Steam... And then I can start installing applications on Windows. One at a time. Often needing to reboot between. Yeesh.

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HighOnLinux_2024@reddit

For me Linux really "just works". My brother has been having problems with his windows 11 install, had to reinstall his system three times in a span of 6 months, meanwhile I installed my Fedora Rawhide on my laptop and haven't reinstalled it, since I bought the laptop and installed it on there. On my main system, I have a problem where Nvidia drivers don't work. No problem just use Noveaou, works great not even mad of it.

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g3etwqb-uh8yaw07k@reddit

For me, I know it's gonna work as long as I don't fuck with it and use a good distro.

When it doesn't work, it's isually because I either fucked with it or tried my hands on Arch again (not too experienced, so lots of forum digging then...).

Both of those are on me, and happen on an old, unused PC most of the time.

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_perdomon_@reddit

That’s awesome, and I’m truly happy for you. I think the reason most people don’t use linux has a lot to do with the complexity of troubleshooting from the command line. I haven’t used windows in awhile, but most of that is abstracted away in MacOS. I hope your install continues to perform well!

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Own_Maintenance8386@reddit

Both opinions are true.

The difference is XP. Linux can be hard to learn, but as you get some knowledge you solve issues very quickly. If something is not working run it in terminal, it will tell you what’s up. Config files are all the same, usually in expected location. If you know what are you doing, you are able to solve the occasional issue in few commands.

The windows on the other hand looks much simpler, but when shit goes down you invest lot of time to finding the problem. Thanks to legacy code and proprietary code, your knowledge of certain part of system can be worthless.

Also if you don’t run some experimental distro, usually when you are set, you are set. The windows updates sometimes breaks something and good luck to finding what.

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

Which distro are you using, if you don't mind sharing?

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_perdomon_@reddit

I use primarily PiOS at home and Amazon Linux 2023 at work. I know PiOS is a Debian fork, but I’m not sure about Amazon Linux. Whatever ‘yum’ is?

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Huntware@reddit

Amazon Linux is based on Red Hat (RHEL) but with some tools for cloud.

There was CentOS as a free alternative for servers, but it was converted to a "beta" / development branch for RHEL.

Nowadays we have others like Rocky Linux (I'm currently using this one at work) and Almalinux, both 100% compatible with RHEL.

PS. "dnf" is the lastest "yum" (package manager) 😉

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_perdomon_@reddit

You’re right — I edited my comment to include the right package manager.

Maybe my Linux experience isn’t average because I use exclusively the CLI to interact with it, but it hasn’t been without some serious troubleshooting days 😅

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TheInfamousMorgan@reddit

When I read OPs post I was like does he mean windows and not Linux? Drivers have gotten way better support unless you have some strange, but yes sometimes it can be a hassle.

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ProbablyShakey@reddit

Loving Nobara fr

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

i love how everything is already set up for you!

almost all games i have ran like a charm thru steam and proton.

had also a lot of luck with lutris, specially for those old games.

swat 4 and neverwinter nights were two games i always had trouble getting to work, in general, and they work like a charm in lutris!

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ProbablyShakey@reddit

Real, it's amazing

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pancakeQueue@reddit

Thank the CUPS standard

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

oh, i didn't know what it was, but now that i did a quick search it's gonna be my read for tomorrow!

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antennawire@reddit

After installing Linux, I can read out all temperature sensors from my motherboard. Tried it with Windows, didn't succeed except CPU temp, that's it. Now I have like 5 o 6 that I didn't even know existed.

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

i always had to rely on hwmonitor to get temps in windows.

in nobara i'm currently using coolercontrol for both temps and fan control.

i love recommending it to peoples now, but i'm pretty sure arch has way more options available.

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spricemt@reddit

Is this a joke, lol? I’m rebooting my vanilla Ubuntu install for the 3rd time today after random frozen UI. Linux is great for a lot of reasons but “just working” is not one.

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

I had several issues with Ubuntu. I stray away from it as much as possible.

But Fedora, apart from an issue with having to install codecs for youtube videos, has been working wonders with everything i needed.

Nobara runs even better, with everything out of the box.

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spricemt@reddit

Nobara looks like an interesting project. Maybe I’ll give it a test drive this year.

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SaltyBooze@reddit (OP)

for games it's pretty good, but just for games.

everything is already pre-setup for you, specially if you use an nvidia gfx card (like i do).

but on the other hand, the package manager makes it really hard to setup something different from gaming - streaming.

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ardauyar@reddit

Tbh Ubuntu is more unstable than Arch, Ubisoft is a unstable distro for me, but for Arch it's just quicker and it just works for me

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ZeroXeroZyro@reddit

I've been using Arch for almost 2 years and had no stability issues, on 3 different computers. On top of that, I have had a flawless gaming experience as well. I actually switched to Arch because my experience on Ubuntu was less than ideal.

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ardauyar@reddit

I always would go back to windows but now IDK I might use linux, linux come so far that I am actually started to get more fps in some games compared to w11 i was recently playing spiderman miles morales and Arch Linux performed around 20% more fps compared to Windows 11 its such a big jump I dont get it how but its just crazy but most of the time performance is equal but thats great 3 years ago I was getting 10 fps less in linux but now it performs better than windows

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