Jeep Admits It Went 'Too Far' With Wagoneer Pricing

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GolfGodsAreReal@reddit

Who in their right mind would spend 100K on a Jeep POS

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jakeuten@reddit

Most of the ones I’ve seen in MN have Texas plates on them strangely.

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jakeuten@reddit

Fair enough. I don’t want to imagine the price of renting one of them.

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We had a group trip that we got one as a rental. When we turned it in the girl asked how we liked it and I said “meh”. She was kinda surprised and asked why and I wasn’t really ready to respond, was just a genuine reaction.

End of the day it’s fine in every aspect, does nothing poorly or amazingly, and I can’t get over the price.

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intern_steve@reddit

It's pretty terrible at turning gasoline into forward motion, if that counts for anything.

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shwaynebrady@reddit

Really? I agree that it’s completely overpriced, but it’s a great roadtrip car and I really enjoyed it.

Not sure what the price of car has to do with your impression of it as a rental

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TaVar35@reddit

My meh was more based at how the truck is not remarkable in any way, especially the way it’s spec’d for rentals. However for all the shit Stellantis gets, we also didn’t find it egregious in a bad way either. It does great as an appliance that hauls a decent group

I’m also by far not a target demographic, so none of its practicality particularly makes a note for me. Overall it did its job for our trip, but it’s not a rental I would run up to in the line if I needed to rent that class again.

Price came up when we were sitting at the airport waiting for our buddies flight to land, and guessing the sticker price and were floored when we googled it. But again, that’s not necessarily an issue only this truck has

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ILikeTewdles@reddit

I also have the same feeling on them, just "meh". I feel like they were designed to look nice in a press release but when you actually sit in one, it feels like a fake copy ordered off Temu. Like they tried really hard to make it look nice, but it doesn't look or feel that way in person, especially after a few months with some wear.

It feels and looks oddly cheap. Too much shiny plastic mixed with chrome, and the screens are tacky.

I like Jeep as a brand, I don't like the Wagoneer.

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glorfiedclause@reddit

How’s the luxury side of it? I’ve been in a few high end SUVs and honestly nobody is blowing my mind outside of Bentley. And even then their tag is ridiculous. Mercedes has to be the worst offender of a boring interior. BMW still has my top vote.

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shwaynebrady@reddit

Objectively, It’s quite Luxurious, has a ton of features and uses pretty nice material.

I’d be willing to bet the majority of people commenting haven’t ever actually driven one.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s overpriced Af. But it’s still very nice.

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ILikeTewdles@reddit

I think that is the thing. At first glance or pics online it looks pretty nice. If you sit in it and look at it though it just starts to feel cheap. I guess there is what you consider "Luxury: or "nice". If you're into shiny black plastic, fake chrome trim and screens being considered luxury, you'll like it. The one I drove wasn't exactly wearing very well, the material quality wasn't very good which to me makes it feel cheap. The fake leather and material choices in most Jeeps also makes them feel off to me, especially in a $100K+ vehicle.

I guess that's the only way I could put it, like a knockoff luxury vehicle that puts out the image of being luxurious and nice, but uses cheap construction and feels "off".

They do drive and ride pretty nice though.

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shwaynebrady@reddit

I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s like you haven’t actually been in the car. Its interior is at minimum on par if not arguably better than its direct rivals (Escalade, navigator) and even the European OEMs. The higher end jeeps and rams main selling point is their interior. This is a generally accepted consensus from most owners and publications?

Its problem is it’s overpriced, too big and has a brand identity problem.

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ILikeTewdles@reddit

I've been in a few, ridden in one. Guess it's just a personal preference thing then. The styling and materials used feel and look cheap to me. We'll have to agree to disagree, I'm not a fan of the current Jeep styling, and that's ok.

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probsdriving@reddit

X5 is so much nicer inside vs. the Grand Wagoner it’s not even funny. I have a lot of seat time in the X5 and had the Jeep as a rental a few months back. You could wiggle the fucking start button around in the housing. Creaky plastic. Terrible UI. Total trash.

I liked the powertrain though.

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sinkrate@reddit

I liked the powertrain though.

When it fuckin works. I rented a Wagoner once, the piece of shit overheated and died minutes after I picked it up, almost stranded me on the side of a busy freeway. Just barely made it to an exit

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DickButkisses@reddit

I really like the Q7, am I alone? It’s a mid size, not sure if we were just talking about full size or what. But the third row laying down at the push of a button was nice for travel.

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glorfiedclause@reddit

Audi has fantastic features also. I haven’t been in a Q7 but have been in the SQ5 and it’s very nice.

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StepsOnLEGO@reddit

Exactly how I felt getting in a grand cherokee. Looks nice but it just felt like everything was really cheap.

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ILikeTewdles@reddit

Yep. I'm a Jeep guy and wanted a new GC until I went and sat in one. So much cheap shiny plastic and cheap feeling materials.

The previous generation GC was nothing to write home about but felt pretty solid and didn't have dumb materials choices like piano black trim and shiny painted plastic all over the dash and doors.

IMO Jeep in general has kind of just lost their way when they decided to go "upscale". The Wrangler is still decent ( besides being overpriced), everything else is off in left field.

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tagrav@reddit

Why would I spend all that on that thing when GM sells an Escalade?

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JustThall@reddit

I have the same feeling about all major large SUVs.

There is always a few things that trigger “why did they overlooked this feature and cheapened out so much?” response in me

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scroopydog@reddit

We rented on in GA last year, was great for a guys trip, but yeah, we all were just like: too expensive.

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danny_ish@reddit

My local GA enterprise has one next to 2 tahoes, a fullsize infinity suv, and expeditions. They are popular for large family outings where you want to look classier than a minivan (i love vans but people stigmatize)

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MechMeister@reddit

thee wagoneer and suburban have more off road ability than a minivan, too. but the tahoe and suburban are better than the wagoneer in every way.

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FixTheWisz@reddit

Not in every way. I rent a lot and enjoyed driving every 2007-2020 GMT suv I found myself in, which was quite often. The 2021+, though, is just too soft and sluggish, especially when paired to the 5.3. The driving feel of the Wagoneer, though, mimics the older GMTs very well. Some might call that a step backward, but it's right up my alley.

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gumol@reddit

Rental prices are weird. One time I wanted to rent a basic minivan for a weekend trip, as we had 6 people in our group. Turns out well equipped Toyota Land Cruiser with a V8 engine was the same price.

The only drawback was fuel economy, but it was well worth it. However, I think the lowest I've seen was like 2 or 5 MPG going up a steep hill.

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ctzn4@reddit

2-5 MPG is crazy. I knew the V8 would be thirsty but that is one steep freaking hill.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

We once rented a minivan for a weekend trip but they had none, so they bumped us up to a high roof Sprinter van at no extra charge. It honestly drove pretty well and had decent fuel efficiency for its size, but it was way too much vehicle for only 6 people.

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105_irl@reddit

Sprinter vans are so wonderfully easy to drive for how much car you get. I’d take one over a pickup any day.

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jeezuspleezus@reddit

I got one as a free upgrade at a National, so $49 a day, strangely enough. It was nice enough to drive for a couple days, but never in a million years would I pay six figures for one.

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Supersize_You@reddit

National emerald aisles are basically full of wagoneers, palisades and tucsons... with a surprise mustang convertible once in awhile

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shwaynebrady@reddit

Yeah that’s my impression. I worked on the wagoneer program at FCA when I was employed there. I got to drive the fully loaded grand wagoner and it was truly pretty impressive.

Way overpriced, but still impressive.

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LeKy411@reddit

Had one for work in Huntsville Alabama it was $58 a day under the SUV rental. They had 8 of them. I wanted the VW Atlas but they said it was labeled premium so I couldn’t get it. Instead they gave me the Wagoneer which makes 0 sense based on the sticker price of each.

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TrptJim@reddit

If the location is busy, they might just give you one as a free upgrade. Happens often enough that I don't bother to upgrade beforehand.

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SoCalChrisW@reddit

We rented one to help my daughter move I to her dorm. It was a piece of shit. It rode nice, but the electronics were fucked. Cruise control worked sporadically, as did carplay. The temperature adjustment switches would only work to lower the temperature, not raise it. To raise it we had to go in through the touch screen. I later learned that that's how they are designed, a lot of people have the same issue with it that we did, it's just a really shitty design on the switches that's not intuitive.

The amount they ask for these things is absurd.

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ShadowGLI@reddit

Like $75/day with Avis unless it’s a big city

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Nicesockscuz@reddit

Just booked one for a week in the summer for $500 usd. Not bad for a 7/8 seater

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mishap1@reddit

In airports with ski access, $700 a week or more if busy. If I’m in San Diego and trying to be low key with a new client meeting, $120 and it’s all they have left.

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BigOldButt99@reddit

Lol I'm going on a ski trip to Colorado next month for a buddys bachelor party, he just mentioned he booked some cars, got a wagoneer. I suppose it's good for those situations. Huge, lots of seats, somewhat luxurious. And we don't have to keep it when it breaks down in 6 months!

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FlatBrokeEconomist@reddit

I got upgraded to one in Knoxville. Walking through the parking lot, half the rentals were Grand Wagoneers. So that’s why they were offering free upgrades.

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Spoonmanners2@reddit

I got one as a premium rental. I thought it was nice and comparable to my current SUV. Like I’d consider both whenever I’m buying again. Problem was it costs twice as much as my current SUV.

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average_waffle@reddit

I worked valet at a hotel, if you see a wagoneer on the road there's a 95% chance it's a rental.

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kurujt@reddit

Not sure if it's true, but there's a huge amount of Texas plates in MI lately - I read a piece somewhere saying that because TX has incredibly lax licensing rules, people are using it to get around paying car insurance? Can't find anything except people discussing it now, nothing official.

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lumpialarry@reddit

I don't think Texas has that lax of licensing rules its just that people just roll around with fake tags and the cops never stop them. It is one of the worst states to lease a car since you have to pay tax on the full MSRP. Toyota sales are area also all controlled by Gulf States Toyota which makes them a bad deal.

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spankybranch@reddit

I’m very seems couple news stories over the last year of this - you can get Texas temporary plates (like when you purchase a vehicle) cheap, they last up to 90 days and include “insurance” … quotes because it satisfies the legal requirements but you’re basically SOL if you try to file a claim. People will pay as little as $70 and in some cases print it out at home/have it mailed.

It’s a loop hole that needs to be closed. I see out of state temp tags daily (I’m in central Florida) on vehicles that are over 15 years old. The ammount of hit-and-run collisions where one vehicle has these kinds of tags is also increasing.

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lumpialarry@reddit

Most of the Texas Altima Paper Gang are just using fake temp tags anyway so they aren't even playing this weird insurance game at all.

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barbaq24@reddit

They all got off loaded to fleet vehicles for rental companies. I travel quite a bit and its amusing how many large SUVs for rental are these Wagoneers. Yellowstone National Park this summer was basically a Wagoneer cars and coffee.

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Prize-Interaction755@reddit

Rich white suburban moms

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RiftHunter4@reddit

Stellantis vehicles are generally really nice at first impression, but the common theme is that they don't stay nice once you actually have to start driving it.

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JimmyReagan@reddit

Yeah, my Charger is only still nice because I barely drive it, my Jeep is closing in on 90K and shit keeps falling off. Just today I noticed a little cloudy spot in the paint, at first I thought it was the panel that was replaced in an accident but then I realized it was the other side...the factory paint.

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Dinkerdoo@reddit

Every Stellantis car I've rented (triple digit mileage) has felt like a POS straight off the bat.

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Sun_Aria@reddit

I’ve rented a Cherokee and a Charger. The Cherokee was a pile of shit car. I feel sorry for people who buy them. Charger wasn’t too bad it was just uncomfortable. The ergonomics? weren’t there. Honorable mention: The Renegade is also a pile of shit.

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Dinkerdoo@reddit

I've had a Charger as well. The engine? Fantastic. Everything else, especially ergonomics and infotainment? Shit.

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airfryerfuntime@reddit

The Rams are pretty nice, and I hate anything Chrysler/Stelantis. The interiors feel really durable compared to Ford.

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GolfGodsAreReal@reddit

They are JUNK

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RiftHunter4@reddit

People have been saying this since before Stellantis or FCA existed and they were separate companies lol. My family had a 90s Grand Cherokee for a while, and the reputation of Jeep hasn't changed nearly 20 years later. Same with Alfa Romeo and Dodge. Lord knows Dodge has built some trash in its lifetime.

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cacboy@reddit

Or a 70k Hyundai

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swampfox94@reddit

All those chumps paying bmw/mb/audi prices for a palisade during Covid was peak stupidity. All underwater now of course lol

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avinash240@reddit

You just named three German car manufacturers who don't do well on the used market.

You're pretty much under water driving most new cars off the lot.

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swampfox94@reddit

The issue is paying luxury prices for a Kia lol

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avinash240@reddit

Is it? For every car brand there is someone who thinks someone is stupid for buying it.

This just feels like shitting on people because they value a brand differently than you do.

Most cars are depreciating assets, what are we really doing? pretending to be geniuses because we bought a different depreciating assets for the same money?

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Stu__Pidasso@reddit

IONIQ 5s were selling at up to 15k OVER MSRP during COVID near me. There are chumps and there are idiots

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christobevii3@reddit

I want to see the face of someone who bought a Raptor Bronco $20k over sticker with them now being discounted like $12k off.

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sc0lm00@reddit

How about a $80k Armada or $100k QX80?

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pretendviperpilot@reddit

Ehhhh you could argue that Genesis quality is near on par with the Euro snobs. I'd still go for Lexus or Acura though, without having done research.

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racks1700@reddit

Did he say Genesis?

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lodermoder@reddit

There are no other Hyundais that are close to even touching 70k except their crazy performance electric thingy

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mikesmith0890@reddit

Regularly, no. But both the Palisade and Telluride were massively priced over MSRP during Covid. People were paying out their ass if they could even find one they wanted

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Drzhivago138@reddit

Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent.

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mechabeast@reddit

Hey Paul!

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pretendviperpilot@reddit

Did we invite you?

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tmothy07@reddit

Acura

Really? lol

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scroopydog@reddit

Define quality here: fit and finish? Materials? Reliability? Performance? Everything?

I really have no experience with Genesis, but that’s a bold statement.

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Rhufus@reddit

I’m just coming up to 160,000 kilometers/100,000 miles, and I am still so impressed with my 2020 Genesis G70. Especially the interior, which remains squeak and rattle free. So far its required nothing more than regular maintenance and replacement of wear parts (brakes and wipers).

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pretendviperpilot@reddit

I'm borderline ass talking never having driven a G80, but most reviews seem to follow the theme that overall its 90% of the 5 series and 70% of the price. I did look at bit closer at the cheaper G70, and test drove one. I had a hard time thinking about it as a Hyundai product, because it was really fantastic.

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scroopydog@reddit

Interesting. Thanks.

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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

I’d agree if it weren’t for the fact that the Ioniq 5N has almost universally stellar reviews (except for one journalist who said it was too fast, what a pussy) and for being more fun to drive than cars several times more expensive

Whereas the Wagoneer is exists solely for suburban mothers to pick their kids up and their husbands won’t buy German

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InvasionOfScipio@reddit

Are you saying the Ioniq 5 N is over priced?

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executingsalesdaily@reddit

You have no idea. So many people around me own the 100k wranglers. It is wild to me.

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txmail@reddit

Even during COVID when all lots were barren Jeep had a full on sale going on and still could not sell anything. Even when the want for a PHEV was off the charts and everyone charged a dealer markup nobody touched the Jeep PHEV, not even with a discount.

Dodge dealerships still have brand new 2022 models that they cannot move off the lots. 50-60% off Maserati's. Stellantis is in trouble.

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executingsalesdaily@reddit

And they are axing their best car. The Alfa Romeo Giulia..

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txmail@reddit

Based on the reviews the cars sound like heroin. Get you high so high but the crash and burn bites you every time. Reliability is not there and it is on par with everyone that remembers when Alfa Romeo's were previously sold here. Beautiful in the driveway... where it stays because the damn thing will not start again.

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executingsalesdaily@reddit

The v6 is the one I’ve looked at and after 2020 model year they became very reliable. My next car will be a Lexus again though. Can’t get over them.

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coffeecakewaffles@reddit

Yes, in Scottsdale AZ that was the case as well. We were desperately trying to buy a new family hauler at that time and Jeep was the only dealer with any inventory. My wife had a real hard on for the Wagoneer and I had to talk her off that ledge more than once.

Thank god they had horrible safety ratings because that was the only logical angle I could take. She did not give one fuck about that absurd price tag.

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airfryerfuntime@reddit

All my local Jeep dealerships were almost completely sold out of Wranglers and Gladiators. Then it kind of flipped around 2021, and all of them were full of only Wranglers and Gladiators.

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

Much like the G-Class - its a vehicle that is sold on what it represents instead of what it is.

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hhs2112@reddit

The g-wagon is at least capable. I bet that wagoneer won't make it through wet grass.

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wantrefund@reddit

What do they represent?

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

Utilitarian and adventurist sentiments. They are a vehicle that gives the impression that someone’s life is more interesting and exciting than it actually is.

People envision themselves in them with a surfboard, even if they’ve never surfed. They picture themselves camping in Moab, when they don’t even own a tent.

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executingsalesdaily@reddit

People who love unreliable $100k plus hideous vehicles.

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GreatOdinsRaven_@reddit

poor choices and a steadfast willingness to laugh in the face of all things beautiful.

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executingsalesdaily@reddit

Absolutely!

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ertant@reddit

Not own, lease lol

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fatitalianstallion@reddit

392 is kinda worth it if you’re so into jeeps that you were going to get a v8 swap done. Otherwise not so much. I was looking at one and went trx as they were the same price back when I ordered in late 21.

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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

I guess it’s one of those things where I wonder what was going through someone’s head. If they’re off-roading, sure, but buying a fast, lifted SUV just seems like you’re getting a vehicle that’s mediocre at everything

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GimmeChickenBlasters@reddit

If they’re off-roading, sure, but buying a fast, lifted SUV/Jeep just seems like they’re getting a vehicle that’s mediocre at everything

It's a toy. There's nothing more to understand. They're meant to be fun and they're very good at that. The S63 AMG and Escalade-V also have no reason to exist but they're more fun than the version people already like.

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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

I guess I’m coming from the perspective that I wanted a quick/fun car, so I bought a car that was low to the ground and had the accompanying suspension to sustain a turn

Wanting a fast car and then lifting it and putting it on low grip, high mass, knobby tires seems like a misplaced strategy for having a fast vehicle

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PigSlam@reddit

Believe it or not, not every fast car needs to pull 9Gs on the skid pad, and there are benefits to having a powerful engine that can be measured in ways that do not include quarter mile times.

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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

I get that. I just don’t know what those benefits are in the context of a lifted Jeep outside of a rock crawl

Which I’m sure is what it was intended for, but unfortunately most people are a lot more boring than what their cars use case is

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PigSlam@reddit

I’ve done some crawling in my Jeep, and never thought it needed more power when I was crawling. If you want to go to the sand dunes or run desert trails at high speeds, I can see why something like a Ford Raptor or TRX would be appealing, but I’d expect the majority of those trucks never make it to within 1,000 miles of the terrain where it makes sense.

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Carrisonfire@reddit

The only time I've seen a Raptor look worth it was on a frozen snow-covered lake in Canada. Snowmobile is still far cheaper and more practical tho.

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GimmeChickenBlasters@reddit

I guess I’m coming from the perspective that I wanted a quick/fun car, so I bought a car that was low to the ground and had the accompanying suspension to sustain a turn

Wanting a fast car and then lifting it and putting it on low grip, high mass, knobby tires seems like a misplaced strategy for having a fast vehicle

Fast is fun. A V8 makes it even more fun.
College kids pinching pennies to get a 150k mile Miata as their only car aren't the ones buying them. These cost $100k+. If someone can't afford a 3rd or even 4th car they have no business looking at anything in this price range.
These are daily drivers, not track cars. Porsche and Lamborghini's best selling vehicles are SUV's. The people who can afford an Urus or Cayenne Turbo S would've bought a Huracan or 911 GT3 if they were concerned about track performance.

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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

Eh idk if I’d say a Jeep 392 is a good daily driver

Knobby tires and getting blown around at highway speeds isn’t really the understated comfort I’m looking for on my daily commute

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GimmeChickenBlasters@reddit

Pretty evident you don't live in the south. There are about a dozen other cars in that price range I'd buy first, but it's not hard to understand the appeal for someone with deep pockets.

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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

My mom’s side is from the South so I unfortunately have plenty of time spent there haha

Yeah my main impression actually comes from that. It was always funny to me that rich people who didn’t work for a living would buy lifted trucks. My whole family is like that; insurance salesmen in a spotless King Ranch. Just goofy

I always liked the guys who had normal trucks with mud in the bed and wood chips everywhere. And a crumpled up Wawa coffee cup from a week prior

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PurchaseStreet9991@reddit

Just a heads up, the due you’re replying to drives a TREX

So your comments about “lifted SUV that’s mediocre at everything” and “embarrassed to own a Stellantis” may be cutting deep

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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

Gonna be honest. Didn’t even notice

Now I feel bad

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PurchaseStreet9991@reddit

Don’t get me wrong, you’re 100% correct

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PigSlam@reddit

You’re one of the smart ones. /a

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executingsalesdaily@reddit

Right.

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FlyingLap@reddit

It’s not a Jeep, sweetie. It’s a wAGoNeeR.

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007meow@reddit

W A G O N E E R

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dalittle@reddit

IMHO, even the name is dumb.

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kers2000@reddit

Canyoneroooooo

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Bubbly_Collection329@reddit

God fearing Texans. Quite unfortunate for me as a small car driver

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i_use_this_for_work@reddit

Bc it’s the nicest thing in its class. It bests the Escalade and navigator.

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WatchStoredInAss@reddit

I started laughing hysterically when I found how much people are paying for this jeep.

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eric_ts@reddit

Former Jeep salesman here. (Daimler era.) Stellantis was completely out of their flocking minds to price any Jeep at north of six digits. They might have pulled it off if they had done an even passable job at styling and QC. They were very far from passable in either aspect.

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specialcommenter@reddit

People finance or lease. I see plenty of these in NYC. These are built in Ram 1500 frame so I don’t know about the POS part. Maybe the new i6 turbo engine will be a problem?

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CaptianRipass@reddit

I've seen a surprising large amount of them on vancouver island... for some reason they give rental vibes but no stickers or badging to prove it

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TimberTheDog@reddit

My dad lol

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GolfGodsAreReal@reddit

I hope the apple falls far from that tree lol

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TimberTheDog@reddit

Oh absolutely

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DerangedGinger@reddit

I have the $80k PHEV and can confirm it's a piece of shit.

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Drone30389@reddit

In a "squeaks and rattles" kind of way or more of a "leaves me stranded" way?

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DerangedGinger@reddit

Both. They've tried to fix a dash rattle and it came back. Sold it with an open safety recall. Just finished the recall so I can charge it without worrying it'll catch fire.

It's just... Janky. At 10k miles I have more trust in our mustang with 100k miles. I'll never buy another Stellantis product. Shit products, shit dealerships, shit company.

Stellantis/Chrysler is the only company I've sued twice. And I've only sued a couple people in my life.

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Sheepygoatherder@reddit

You sued them twice and bought another one of their products?

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DerangedGinger@reddit

I sued them once in the past. This is my first CDJR in like 15+ years. I had to sue them again. I just want them to buy it back at this point.

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Drone30389@reddit

I'll never buy another Stellantis product.

That's not a bad policy but to be fair a lot of people say that about Ford and GM too, and rightly so.

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Bderken@reddit

What compelled you to buy it?

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Boxadorables@reddit

He's quite clearly deranged

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

only 92 more payments to go!

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jbourne0129@reddit

my FIL i believe paid around 60-70k for a jeep grand cherokee 4xE. i dont think he had it for more than a year before giving up on it. drove like shit, the ICE was loud and rough. I've never seen so much money produce such a shit product.

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KillaWallaby@reddit

I leased one (for the tax credit) and actually love it. My commute is short enough to be done fully electric, all traffic miles. Would never ever ever ever buy one.

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bozemanmetalfab@reddit

Buddy of mine bought the JGC 4XE. Holy shit have I never seen a brand new vehicle have so many issues. Within 5k it had had most of the AC system replaced, spent months in the shop, and also had major transmission problems. I don't know how he wasn't able to lemon law it. The irony is he only bought it for the $7k tax credit and was just going to sell anyway. On top of that, the POS dealership didn't get the title sent out for more than 8 months (I'd have burnt the place down by then) so he ended up losing about $10k before offloading it. (This is after buying under invoice to begin with)

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democracywon2024@reddit

Better than spending 60k on a Ford Piece of Shit!

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SignificantBro@reddit

My neighbor has two 😬

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GolfGodsAreReal@reddit

They have more dollars than sense.

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softwaregravy@reddit

That’s the problem though, right? The answer is not many.

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Daddgonecrazy@reddit

For that money I’m getting a Lexus lx600

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ScipioAfricanvs@reddit

My coworker. She has a new Grand Wagoneer lol.

My VP also bought an F-150 lightning for full price and then some dumb add ons like the week before they announced production cuts because they aren’t selling.

We forget the average buyer knows virtually nothing about what is going on in the car world.

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huhwhat90@reddit

It's crazy seeing gently used Lightnings going for under $40k now. I remember people falling all over themselves to pay triple digits for them when they were first released.

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elislider@reddit

people who dont read reviews or consumer guides or reliability scores or anything, but know someone else who would be impressed by them having one.

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sujimonmaster@reddit

A wagooner

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airfryerfuntime@reddit

I was talking to some dumbass on here who paid $110k for a Wrangler 392. It's just a regular fucking wrangler with wider suspension and 6.4. Absolutely insane someone would pay that for a Wrangler.

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rental_car_fast@reddit

What's crazy is how many I've seen on the road. I always try to get a look at the driver to see if they look as stupid as I know they are.

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Chi-Guy86@reddit

Lots of people here in FL apparently

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GolfGodsAreReal@reddit

Floods, hurricanes, and Grand Wagoneer's nothing good about any of them

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ShadowGLI@reddit

Any Stellantis product honestly

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Fenrirsulfur@reddit

I have a few customers in my area that purchased new ones. They're Jeep loyalists, but I could never justify buying something like that. Especially when you have the Escalade and Navigator available.

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Mend1cant@reddit

Chrysler mechanical with Italian electrical.

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Viperlite@reddit

A friend of mine did… at the same time he was saving to buy a home.

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Silfrgluggr@reddit

My farmer uncle. He's been dealing with routine flats because the rubber band tires can't handle northern sask gravel (boulders)

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Designfanatic88@reddit

I didn’t know people bought those trash buckets.

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this_dudeagain@reddit

They have great rust protection from all the oil leaks.

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jmardoxie@reddit

I saw one at the car show in Miami for 120k. It wasn’t their top model.

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Kooky-Cupcake-4621@reddit

Plenty of Wagoneer in Vegas. Most have white exterior.

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Mav_mav_go@reddit

Whole lineup is expensive. If wrangler (automatic) 2 door started at $27,995 and 4 door at $29,995 it would sell like crazy ! Base models of course, charge a premium for packages but those proces would be a start. Current pricing is crazy !

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Sprinklypoo@reddit

I think a lot of people who move to Colorado just immediately get a Jeep under the assumption that it's the best thing for snow and ice.

I know at least 3 different people who have done so...

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daniel22457@reddit

Then they get off-road tires for them and wonder why they're absolute garbage in the snow.

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Shmokesshweed@reddit

I'd personally go with something that has AWD.

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natesully33@reddit

Some Wranglers come with 4HI auto (aka rear biased slip-n-grip AWD) now which is pretty sweet in bad weather. But yeah Trucks and SUVs are overkill for snow and ice, a Subaru (or similar) is fine and a better street car. AWD BEVs are amazing on ice too, from experience.

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p8vmnt@reddit

I wouldn’t even spend 50k on that. Sat in one and it felt so cheap

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rafster929@reddit

"We got caught being greedy and no one bought our crap"

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Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit

You can see it has NOTHING to do with what it costs to make, it's just about charging the absolute most for the same thing that people will pay. I guarantee they could cut another 10k off it and still make a huge profit, but then it would be too obvious just how hollow it is what you're paying for.

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rafster929@reddit

That’s why tariffs doesn’t bring down prices, local manufacturers just increase their prices to fall just below the price of their competitors + tariff.

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superdude4agze@reddit

That's literally capitalism. Your McDonalds burger is priced at the absolute maximum they can charge to maintain their desired profits. It's not based on the price of goods/production.

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speedypotatoo@reddit

The more upmarket and better perception a brand has, the more it's able to price it at what consumers perceived it's value vs just adding 10% to the cost. Unfortunately for jeep, no body thinks they're a high end brand lol

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Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit

Agreed but not every business abides by this, so as much as I can I'll buy from them or buy used when it's price actually settles down to what it's worth.

Not saying everyone needs to be like me, but its working for me so far.

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tclark2006@reddit

Yeah they could get away with 20k increases on chargers/challengers because they were in demand and they were advertising the end of them for about 3 years to gain some FOMO buyers.

But this turd was incorrectly priced and optioned straight out of the gate.

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2BlueZebras@reddit

to gain some FOMO buyers

Literally my neighbor. Traded in his SRT Challenger for a Hellcat Challenger because they're going to stop making the V8.

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ctzn4@reddit

So he traded in a V8 for a V8 because they said they would stop making V8s?

Some people, man.

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cheeset2@reddit

What do you think companies do?

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Patruck9@reddit

My brother before he went to Korea and Iraq bought a 2006 Wrangler Rubicon ($27k) I thought that was insane pricing then. But he was that military guy and no Hellcats existed yet..

I got to drive it though and I was 17, so I was the kid showing up to high school in a lifted new Jeep it to give it miles. /bad brag story.

I just know now they are about 50k and it is NOT worth it. No Jeep is.

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srtftw@reddit

You don’t say?

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HumbleGoatCS@reddit

Really? I see so many of them in my area.. i thought they were selling well. Grand wagoneers especially

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txmail@reddit

I was told the local dealer is dumping them (and most other inventory) for about 40% off so... is it a deal at $60 - $65k?

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Manginaz@reddit

They're still very poorly built.

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EvanOdom@reddit

Yes, but I’d probably try to get them to lease it to you at that price

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Stealthfox94@reddit

Majority I see are Grand Wagoneers. I rarely see the standard Wagoneer.

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specialcommenter@reddit

Those other people are commenting from rural towns. I see plenty of these in NYC. They are an alternative to the Yukon.

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Kavani18@reddit

Same here. Obviously not on the level of the Escalade or even the QX80, but I still see a strange lot of them

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MaraudingWalrus@reddit

I'm adjacent to a fancy area of Orlando, I see way more wagoneers and grand wagoneers than Escalades and QX80s. Frankly, I see more Grenadiers than Escalades, lol

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canikony@reddit

I had one as a rental. It was nice enough for a rental but I had no idea how much they retailed for, wild. Who in their right mind would spend that much on one of these.

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dsonger20@reddit

Navigator, Escalade, GLS, X7 money for a Jeep.

Easy choice.

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nimama3233@reddit

I mean… no.

The maintenance and repair costs on an x7 is over $4k a year: https://www.edmunds.com/bmw/x7/2019/cost-to-own/

The maintenance and repair on an Escalade is a little over $1.5k a year: https://www.edmunds.com/cadillac/escalade/2024/cost-to-own/

Wagoner is just a hair over $1k: https://www.edmunds.com/jeep/grand-wagoneer/2023/cost-to-own/

I didn’t look up the other two, but you’re just plain wrong mix

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dsonger20@reddit

I mean they include 7k in repairs over 5 years for the X7?

Let’s be honest, most buyers are going to lease them on 3-4 year leases. It’s well within the warranty period. If they’re doing 5 year ownership costs, then why is there a repair cost?

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fickiff@reddit

I see them everywhere tbh

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ThMightyThor@reddit

Me too, not to mention my brother and uncle have one

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scroopydog@reddit

I see them everywhere, with red Colorado fleet (rental) plates.

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spongebob_meth@reddit

I see like 5 every day lol. They're about as common as suburbans in my area.

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koenigsaurus@reddit

I saw 3 the other day just running errands. There’s one person who got one brand new in my neighborhood, which had to be about half the cost of their house. No judgment, but that’s definitely not how I would spend 6 figures.

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AmericanExcellence@reddit

i see multiple most times i am out for a drive.

all in all, it seems like they're perfectly fine vehicles for 2/3 the price [usual new-vehicle teething issues excluded], but the throttle house comparison of braking vs. an Escalade told me everything i needed to know about the underlying engineering. just not really competitive.

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mwhyes@reddit

Economy bad? Need bailout we suffer! Economy good? Take it or leave it we’re raising prices tomorrow.

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Mackinnon29E@reddit

"Jeep admits they could sell the Wagoneer for half the price and still make a profit, you fucking idiots"

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Kev50027@reddit

Imagine spending 6 figures on something from the least reliable auto manufacturer. You could hear the car depreciating from Saturn.

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Impressive-Potato@reddit

Yet... People still bought it.

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Kev50027@reddit

... And are now broken down on the side of the road with something that already lost $30k of value.

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Lemazze@reddit

Also.

It’s a total POS.

If you have to disassemble the whole cabin to do routine maintenance on the AC it’s just bad engineering

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linoleumknife@reddit

I know 2 people who bought them new, and neither have them anymore.

The first had electrical gremlins constantly, it was at the dealer more than at home. After 7 months she traded it in for an Escalade.

The second had it for right about a year and had 10K miles on it. She already had to send it to the dealer a few times for various issues, but about 6-8 weeks ago she was at a stoplight and the transmission went boom. Got the dealer to replace it under warranty, sold it, and got a new Bronco.

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Lemazze@reddit

It’s a hunk of shit

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narwhal_breeder@reddit

I replaced the blower motor in my W212. Two bolts. 15 minutes. Amazing.

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Lemazze@reddit

When cars were built by engineers and not bean counters.

Never forget what they took from us

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What_the_8@reddit

Well no shit, it’s amazing how far some of these execs are divorced from reality

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iwantac8@reddit

He already ran away with the bags and destroyed the brand, he doesn't care.

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Sun_Aria@reddit

CEO playbook: Come in, make some moves, cash out stocks and bonuses, and dip out. On to the next one.

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iwantac8@reddit

Oh yeah and the Board of directors love those types of CEOs because they benefit as well but have a scapegoat when/if the company goes under.

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FirmRoyal@reddit

The entire automotive industry thought 2% car loans were going to last forever.

I would bet most of those low-end luxury trims & EV models were sold with people only caring about the monthly payment.

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Dinkerdoo@reddit

And now "take over payments" will be one of the most common listing phrases.

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quattrophile@reddit

The literal only one of these I've seen that hasn't been at a dealership was the fully loaded one the then-new CEO of my old job bought to "fit in" more with 'the average worker' after all the sideways looks he got on his first day when his driver dropped him off in a Cullinan.

Somehow he thought it'd be less unseemly to the people making $10-20/hour to see his driver drop him off in a Grand Wagoneer every morning, I guess.

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hateriffic@reddit

I have a theory that between Stellantis(Dodge), Budweiser and Harley Davidson and several other large company's that are uniquely American brands with euro management, were set on a course to intentionally damage the brands.

F it up, drive it into the ground then leave.

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7eregrine@reddit (OP)

🤔

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StonerMetalhead710@reddit

When you can get a 2 year old GLS 63 S and get more luxury, much more power and the AMG name for the same money, I agree

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Mikeg216@reddit

It should have competed with the Tahoe and suburban on price. Not the Escalade

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GettCouped@reddit

Why would anyone buy this when you can get an Escalade?

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peakdecline@reddit

Jeep has had at points the highest average transaction price for a mainstream brand. Not sure that's quite true now, primarily because trucks have grown so high in price. But if you put on your "short sighted greed goggles" like the FCA/Stellantis executives were doing... you can see their "logic." They basically thought they could keep pushing the brand higher and there would be no end.

Obviously... that was short sighted.

At this point... I get the circle jerking around them at this point with such headlines. But I'll take it as a good sign they're publicly acknowledging mistakes. They have lowered prices, not just discounting but lower MSRPs, on several models. That's a good sign.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

In its final year, the SJ Grand Wagoneer started at almost $30K. That was a lot for car in 1991.

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Toxic-Park@reddit

Yeah they were expensive for sure. And that’d be about $70k now. But I think these things are like $110-115k!

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5741354110059687423@reddit

To be devils advocate, a $40k markup in R&D and integration for safety and tech doesn't sound too ridiculous. Drive modes, driver assist, safety sensors, crash safety, advancements in materials.

But I'd also agree that Stellantis would be pocketing 10-15k from said markup and the rest goes into my initial point.

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Toxic-Park@reddit

I had written another paragraph, then deleted it, regarding this concept too.

I feel like if they’re gonna put so many technological improvements into cars, they need to find a way to do it affordably too.

Cuz what good is all that stuff when they can’t sell units because they priced everyone out of the market with them?

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onlyranchmefries@reddit

Yeah, the sub goes a little too hard with the Stellantis circle jerk sometimes. The wagoneer pricing is in line with the expedition and Tahoe for the most part. I can understand that reliability concerns but it's not like the pricing was insane. Just probably a bit too much when taking the reliability into account.

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TurboSalsa@reddit

In Jeep's case think it's a combination of just how fast prices increased over the past few years while reliability decreased equally fast.

So now people are waking up to the fact that they have a $70k Wrangler 4xe that might spontaneously combust and Jeep's fix was "don't park it in the garage!"

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IMA_5-STAR_MAN@reddit

My family has owned stellantis almost exclusively and never had a problem. I hope everyone boycotts them and makes the prices come down even further, I'd love a Wagoneer.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

Like when George Lucas said "I may have gone too far in a few places" in regards to Jar Jar.

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wsdmskr@reddit

Sith Lord Jar Jar, thank you very much.

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leftlanespawncamper@reddit

Hey, he's canon now and you can get him as a Lego minifig: https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/the-dark-falcon-75389

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Bart_Oates@reddit

Jeeps are like poetry, they rhyme

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s2kfan@reddit

They’re junk

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Michaelmac8@reddit

Now do the wrangler

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04limited@reddit

Should’ve just offered the Wagoneer and forgot the whole upscale Grand Wagoneer model. The two models are too similar. They must’ve thought the Grand Wagoneer name carried the same weight as Maybach.

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Jimmytootwo@reddit

These trucks are overpriced by larger words than "too far".

Its a 50K truck at best

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cubs223425@reddit

That's kind of Jeep as a whole, IMO. I know family who crossed off Jeeps from their shopping list because they don't want to pay luxury brand prices for Stellantis products

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C0git0@reddit

They’ve also gotten hammered in reviews. PR just trying to redirect to the pricing being what’s wrong.

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Mike15321@reddit

I remember being blown away by Wagoneer and especially Grand Wagoneer prices when they first came out. Feel like there are much better options in the big SUV market. Like, give me an X5 any day. Or even an Escalade if you're set on American.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

An X5 isn't nearly as big. Even the X7 is smaller than a Wagoneer or Escalade.

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EasyE1979@reddit

lol That's an understatement. Their hole lineup is priced like they are selling luxury cars.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

They still have the $26K Compass.

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russthegod@reddit

Thats base price for base model. They go up to $32K if you want black trim/wheels

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timberwolvesguy@reddit

Somehow, also overpriced

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Drzhivago138@reddit

I wonder if the Avenger would sell well here or if it would be considered too small.

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V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit

In fact, Jeep CEO interests to bring Avenger to America, he really looks like waiting Jeep more affordable.

However, I just wonder how they able to import that model from Poland. It seems like CMP not designed for America safety regulations.

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MechMeister@reddit

I still see tons of renegades in my area. people will buy subcompacts if they are cheap enough.

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Ticoune0825@reddit

I mean it depends if it's a real 4x4, or just another car with intelligent gimmick AWD

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Drzhivago138@reddit

It's a subcompact crossover, so it doesn't have "real 4x4", but Jeep does try to make their crossovers have better off-road performance than most.

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DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit

It's just slightly bigger than the Scion Xa and quite a bit smaller than the new Nissan Kicks. I'd say no.

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ThMogget@reddit

I want one.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

I'm not a fan of CUVs smaller than compact, but I'd give this one a look if it had manual+AWD.

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nalydpsycho@reddit

A rip-off at any price.

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Lemazze@reddit

🤣🤣🤣

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BreakingNewsy7@reddit

Jesus! For a compASS?!!

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Sexyturtletime@reddit

I thought is was the CumPiss

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itsnottommy@reddit

The Wrangler makes the whole Jeep brand feel aspirational to a certain type of customer so I understand charging a premium to get a crossover with a Jeep badge. But it should’ve been fairly obvious that nobody wants to pay Escalade money for a Jeep.

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TurboSalsa@reddit

It’s borderline Range Rover money in the higher Grand Wagoneer trims.

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Well_thats_cool@reddit

But even still, not that long ago you could get a wrangler for $20k which made them attainable. Now you’d be hard pressed to find a base model wrangler for less than $30k

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PlaneReflection@reddit

“Escalade money for a Jeep”

This is as real as it gets. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

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007meow@reddit

They tried to move upmarket without doing anything to justify moving upmarket

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Mastermachetier@reddit

its literally the msrp of a Porsche Cayenne lmao

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Holiday_Parsnip_9841@reddit

Even with dealers advertising 10-16k off most Stellantis vehicles, the pricing is still too high.

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turboash78@reddit

Hole lineup... good one.

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HarobmbeGronkowski@reddit

No new Jeep is going "too far" when they break down all the time

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Agitated-Wrangler-34@reddit

Wrangler has priced themselves out of the market as well.

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purplebrown_updown@reddit

They knew it was too far. They just wanted to see if they could milk more money out of the customers. That's what all these companies are trying to do.

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JordanRunsForFun@reddit

here in Canada, the Grand Wagoneer compete on price with the BMW X7… Who the heck would … wtf.

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Helpful_Umpire_9049@reddit

Did they make it reasonably priced? You know my gas car is still running fine and paid off.

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anomalous_cowherd@reddit

you want one less car than the market wants

They've simply overachieved, they niw do hardly any cars that the market wants!

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MechMeister@reddit

2022 called and wants its news back. few years too late, stellantis.

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CombinationBitter889@reddit

Did they admit not going far enough with the quality standards?

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Keyboard-Fedaykin@reddit

A sucker is born every day. I'm sure a few people in this room feel REAL dumb.

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mvrk10256@reddit

We had two of them as rentals in Jackson Hole last year. Worked great in the snow hauling people and ski gear around.

Gotta give it to them - for $45/day with Executive Emerald Aisle its a great rental.

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saturnuranusmars@reddit

I always thought these were 50k max

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BloodDK22@reddit

Jeep. LOL. At $50K, the Wagoneer is still a rip off. Jeep. Just NO!

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Mveli2pac@reddit

You don't say?

I have been asking the question the past couple of years, when did Jeep become a luxury brand? I think Stellantis was the only one to think Jeep was.

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DangerousAd1731@reddit

Crazy

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Figgler@reddit

They’ve definitely priced me out of buying a new Jeep, even ignoring the reliability concerns.

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scroopydog@reddit

To be fair, I’ve been priced out of buying any new car really. My household was buying new cars pretty consistently about 10 years ago. 2015 Golf R, 2016 Buick Cascada, Audi 2018 SQ5, 2020 Tacoma. Only have the SQ5 left and I’ll probably keep that for a while. Been buying used since. 2007 4Runner in 2022 and a 2016 Sprinter last week. 1999 VW Polo for fun last year.

Our income has gone up, there’s just no value proposition any longer in new cars. Four car garage full up, Sprinter sits in the driveway.

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4score-7@reddit

Things I've gotten priced out of, even as my own income has grown:

Home ownership (did it for 17 years, meh, take it or leave it)

The US stock market (I work in it, and I own what I own, but I dump precious little of nothing into today's "hot stock")

Going to the dentist (insurance covers less and less, services more expensive than ever)

Alabama football games (the CrimsonTide wasn't as good this year, but getting into Bryant Denny with the entirety of Instagram has gotten out of control anyway)

Dining out at sit down restaurants (lots to say on this, but I don't miss it too much anyway).

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undockeddock@reddit

At least beer is still cheap

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Darkhoof@reddit

Don't give them ideas.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

Cheapish. I remember when a 24 of tall boys could be had for under $20.

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4score-7@reddit

Busch Light for the win!🤮

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Viperlite@reddit

Even used versions of overly expensive new cars aren’t really a value equation anymore. I’ve been buying older used cars myself, but lately not even those so much.

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lawman9000@reddit

I had one as a loaner last year and really enjoyed having it for a week. Was comfortable, plenty nice interior... but it wasn't a $70k+ car. No way.

I'd be in at $55k, for the upper mid-level trim the rental was.

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redditonreddit_65@reddit

Yeah I had one as a rental this week and enjoyed it. I’m with you though, not paying more than 55-60k for one. If that…

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lawman9000@reddit

The 3.0L Hurricane, despite being the lower output version in the one I had, really moved. I was impressed. Hopefully it turns out to be a reliable engine, I dig it!

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d4rkha1f@reddit

I wrecked my wife's 2016 Grand Cherokee and when we went to buy her a new one, I realized Jeep was now trying to compete with the likes of BMW and was abandoning the image that the Wrangler built. I took one look at the sticker price and the plastic interior and noped right on out of there, went next door, and got my wife a BMW X5 instead.

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DaRiddler70@reddit

First of all, They came up with stupid naming. Grand should be the length, not a trim. Srcond, One year after the Jeep, a more basic Dodge version should have come out.

Same with the Grand Cherokee and Durango. They had the chance to bring down their unit cost for chassis development, but didn't. The Escalade would not survive without the Tahoe/Suburban.

Same with the Gladiator and a Ram Dakota.

But, what do they do....they kill off the Cherokee and then put out the Dodge Hornet. Hahaha. Yeah....idiots.

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7eregrine@reddit (OP)

Never understood getting rid of the Cherokee.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

On the original Wagoneer, Grand meant the trim level. I think only in the case of the minivans did Grand get the meaning of LWB.

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ChirpyRaven@reddit

Not just the Wagoneer, ALL of their pricing.

When the JL came out, you could get the 4 door Sahara for $38k. Now that same trim level of the JL is $50k before adding a single option.

Fifty thousand fucking dollars for a mid-trim Wrangler. And it's not some all-new Wrangler, it's the same thing they've trotted out for the last 7 years.

Who the fuck is buying this?

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7eregrine@reddit (OP)

Nothing but bad decisions by this brand. Can't believe they killed the Cherokee.. the one jeep that I used to see everyone driving.

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Shmokesshweed@reddit

38k in Jan 2018 had the equivalent buying power of $48,400 in Dec 2024.

It's not that cars are expensive; it's that inflation has destroyed purchasing power for the middle class.

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dang_it_bobby93@reddit

With all the news lately either Stelantis US operations are gasping for their last breath or they're potentially heading for a turn around. We'll see which one. I for one am rooting for the brands to turn around. Having more US based competition to Ford and Chevy is great for us.

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JGratsch@reddit

It would be nice for GM to follow suit for truck prices.

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graceparagonique2024@reddit

If I'm spending $100k I'm buying a Lexus

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daxelkurtz@reddit

"Going far" is not the Wagoneer's strong suit.

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permareddit@reddit

Fuck right off you assholes.

Sorry to the dummies who were gullible enough to drop $110k CAD on these things.

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SageDub@reddit

No one pays msrp for Jeep dodge ram fiat products. That’s why they’re all discounted to what they should be via dealer discounts or rebates. Also negotiate more off the price posted. You’d be surprised how easy they are to work with outside of their “special” cars; i.e 392 Scatpack, Hellcat, 300C, TRX, etc.

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WrongdoerSoggy4422@reddit

Had a wagoneer as a rental. It was fine. It was big. It carried stuff. If a base honda pilot is 40k, i could see the wagoneer being 50k based on its larger size and towing ability. But 80k? Lol sorry no.

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Scorpion_Danny@reddit

No shit. When I saw the direction they were heading, I was like, these fuckers think they are a luxury brand. It’s a fucking Jeep.

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WaylonandWillie@reddit

A lot of admitting going on right now.

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dchap1@reddit

We priced it too high, customers got upset, so we’re lowing it $3,000, that should fix it, right?

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ChristAboveAllOthers@reddit

They went too far in all of their pricing

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TheHeatWaver@reddit

I’ve seen a few of these around town and it looks like they stopped designing it 3/4 of the way and just gave up on the back. It looks awful.

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toomuchwombat@reddit

Expensive and ugly. Bad combination. I mean it works for BMW, but Jeep isn't BMW.

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LifeRound2@reddit

Too far on pricing, not far enough on quality control.

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joe_schmo54@reddit

I personally like it but since Jeep says this I would never buy it

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kon---@reddit

But did they mention the premium being passed to the customer?

Did anyone ask the margin?

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MinecraftSteeve@reddit

I drove one grand wagoneer and it sucked. Cameras were blurry, interior didn't feel premium at all, some of the electronics stopped working in the short period I drove it. If I could get a Merc GLS or BMW X5/7 or an Escalade for the same price idk who in their mind would get a jeep

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12xubywire@reddit

They should have used the name to make a retro kinda suv, give the waggy a challenger treatment.

Instead they made a bigger grand Cherokee and asked stupid money.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

There are some styling bits on the Wag that call back to the SJ model. But they could have done more.

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Wise-Chef-8613@reddit

A trim package that almost doubles the price of a Dodge Durango.

I'm old enough to remember the Ford Granada / Lincoln Versailles fiasco

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Titan0917@reddit

The Wagoneer has nothing to do with a Dodge Durango. The Durango is a crossover that was sharing a platform with the last generation of Grand Cherokee. The Wagoneer is a body on frame SUV that is based on the Ram 1500

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Drzhivago138@reddit

The Wagoneer is related to the Ram, not the Durango.

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Montreal4life@reddit

what do you mean? its body on frame?

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Drzhivago138@reddit

Yes, the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer is BOF. The smaller Grand Cherokee is unibody, as is the confusingly named Wagoneer S.

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Montreal4life@reddit

oh damn I thought the wagonner/grand wagoneer were unibody.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

If they were, they'd be some of the biggest unibody vehicles ever made.

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Wise-Chef-8613@reddit

Are you looking st the same photo I'm looking at? Which Ram model is an SUV?

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Drzhivago138@reddit

It's related to the Ram pickup. Many (probably most) BOF SUVs are related to a pickup.

Previously the Grand Cherokee was related to the Durango (and the Mercedes GLE and GLS), but it's since moved to another platform.

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NotASwinger69@reddit

The Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer is sitting on the Rams frame is what he is saying.

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4score-7@reddit

I've seen plenty of them on the roads. Seems like no price is too high to be that "first" one of anything on the block.

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MadFlava854@reddit

🚮

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LC-Dookmarriot@reddit

Surely the $70k electric Wagoneer S will do better /s

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turboash78@reddit

LOL no shit. Also trying to charge 80 grand for a bloody Gladiator is legit psychotic.

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Weak-Specific-6599@reddit

I really like the look and think the form factor would fit my family of 5’s needs well. We currently have an Atlas SEL-P we paid only 20k for (had lot of highway mileage), and that is great but if it were a little bigger like the GW, I’d not be crying too much. The space is really nice to have for the young kids, their bulky car seats and the inevitable large pile of stuff they have to bring with them on long trips (including the kitchen sink my wife brings for the infant).

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dream__weaver@reddit

Wow a $100k SUV from the company with one of the worst quality/reliability ratings. You're saying people aren't lining up to buy it????

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haven603@reddit

God I love making fun of grand wagoneers when I see them in real life, genuinely one of the worst cars you could purchase for $115,000

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DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit

Next will be Infiniti admitting that they priced the QX80 too high with a price range of $85k-$113k.

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Tony-cums@reddit

My wife wanted a Wagoneer. We found a demo with 3k on it for under 70k. MSRP was 84k.

The price is the ONLY reason we bought. I’d never pay more and felt a little disgusted even going that high on a jeep.

With that said - it’s been flawless and we got 24 mpg on the highway coming back from vacation.

I’d never daily something that big. She loves it.

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