Jeep Admits It Went 'Too Far' With Wagoneer Pricing
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Posted by 7eregrine@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 502 comments
i_find_humor@reddit
too far? they went right out of our solar system.
peakdecline@reddit
Jeep has had at points the highest average transaction price for a mainstream brand. Not sure that's quite true now, primarily because trucks have grown so high in price. But if you put on your "short sighted greed goggles" like the FCA/Stellantis executives were doing... you can see their "logic." They basically thought they could keep pushing the brand higher and there would be no end.
Obviously... that was short sighted.
At this point... I get the circle jerking around them at this point with such headlines. But I'll take it as a good sign they're publicly acknowledging mistakes. They have lowered prices, not just discounting but lower MSRPs, on several models. That's a good sign.
onlyranchmefries@reddit
Yeah, the sub goes a little too hard with the Stellantis circle jerk sometimes. The wagoneer pricing is in line with the expedition and Tahoe for the most part. I can understand that reliability concerns but it's not like the pricing was insane. Just probably a bit too much when taking the reliability into account.
TunakTun633@reddit
Last I checked, the Jeep was a bit more expensive. $5-10K, maybe.
That's probably corrected for in dealer pricing now. It's nicer, but getting that better feel at the same price is what's actually going to convince people to buy one.
TurboSalsa@reddit
In Jeep's case think it's a combination of just how fast prices increased over the past few years while reliability decreased equally fast.
So now people are waking up to the fact that they have a $70k Wrangler 4xe that might spontaneously combust and Jeep's fix was "don't park it in the garage!"
IMA_5-STAR_MAN@reddit
My family has owned stellantis almost exclusively and never had a problem. I hope everyone boycotts them and makes the prices come down even further, I'd love a Wagoneer.
Drzhivago138@reddit
In its final year, the SJ Grand Wagoneer started at almost $30K. That was a lot for car in 1991.
Toxic-Park@reddit
Yeah they were expensive for sure. And that’d be about $70k now. But I think these things are like $110-115k!
5741354110059687423@reddit
To be devils advocate, a $40k markup in R&D and integration for safety and tech doesn't sound too ridiculous. Drive modes, driver assist, safety sensors, crash safety, advancements in materials.
But I'd also agree that Stellantis would be pocketing 10-15k from said markup and the rest goes into my initial point.
Toxic-Park@reddit
I had written another paragraph, then deleted it, regarding this concept too.
I feel like if they’re gonna put so many technological improvements into cars, they need to find a way to do it affordably too.
Cuz what good is all that stuff when they can’t sell units because they priced everyone out of the market with them?
GolfGodsAreReal@reddit
Who in their right mind would spend 100K on a Jeep POS
ScipioAfricanvs@reddit
My coworker. She has a new Grand Wagoneer lol.
My VP also bought an F-150 lightning for full price and then some dumb add ons like the week before they announced production cuts because they aren’t selling.
We forget the average buyer knows virtually nothing about what is going on in the car world.
huhwhat90@reddit
It's crazy seeing gently used Lightnings going for under $40k now. I remember people falling all over themselves to pay triple digits for them when they were first released.
watchcargo@reddit
Why are lightnings being offloaded/selling poorly?
Energy4Days@reddit
A tale as old as time. Instead of playing the waiting game, people want instant gratification
executingsalesdaily@reddit
You have no idea. So many people around me own the 100k wranglers. It is wild to me.
txmail@reddit
Even during COVID when all lots were barren Jeep had a full on sale going on and still could not sell anything. Even when the want for a PHEV was off the charts and everyone charged a dealer markup nobody touched the Jeep PHEV, not even with a discount.
Dodge dealerships still have brand new 2022 models that they cannot move off the lots. 50-60% off Maserati's. Stellantis is in trouble.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
All my local Jeep dealerships were almost completely sold out of Wranglers and Gladiators. Then it kind of flipped around 2021, and all of them were full of only Wranglers and Gladiators.
mklimbach@reddit
That's because it was the only plant in consistent operation for CDJR around that time. Trying to get anything in 2021 was a nightmare.
coffeecakewaffles@reddit
Yes, in Scottsdale AZ that was the case as well. We were desperately trying to buy a new family hauler at that time and Jeep was the only dealer with any inventory. My wife had a real hard on for the Wagoneer and I had to talk her off that ledge more than once.
Thank god they had horrible safety ratings because that was the only logical angle I could take. She did not give one fuck about that absurd price tag.
Energy4Days@reddit
It's good to see a man wear the pants in a relationship for once instead of the happy wife happy life bs people like to parrot
executingsalesdaily@reddit
And they are axing their best car. The Alfa Romeo Giulia..
txmail@reddit
Based on the reviews the cars sound like heroin. Get you high so high but the crash and burn bites you every time. Reliability is not there and it is on par with everyone that remembers when Alfa Romeo's were previously sold here. Beautiful in the driveway... where it stays because the damn thing will not start again.
executingsalesdaily@reddit
The v6 is the one I’ve looked at and after 2020 model year they became very reliable. My next car will be a Lexus again though. Can’t get over them.
aprtur@reddit
I feel like the absolutely half-assed approach at expanding the Alfa dealer network is what was the downfall for the revival of the brand in the US, as well as mediocre advertising. The Giulia lineup was good, the Stelvio seemed to get a lot of attention from SUV stans, and the 124 was kind of decent when it came to sales....but even here in the Baltimore/DC area, which is pretty dense, dealers are few and far between. Not ideal on a brand new car you want to keep the warranty on.
fatitalianstallion@reddit
392 is kinda worth it if you’re so into jeeps that you were going to get a v8 swap done. Otherwise not so much. I was looking at one and went trx as they were the same price back when I ordered in late 21.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
I guess it’s one of those things where I wonder what was going through someone’s head. If they’re off-roading, sure, but buying a fast, lifted SUV just seems like you’re getting a vehicle that’s mediocre at everything
PurchaseStreet9991@reddit
Just a heads up, the due you’re replying to drives a TREX
So your comments about “lifted SUV that’s mediocre at everything” and “embarrassed to own a Stellantis” may be cutting deep
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Gonna be honest. Didn’t even notice
Now I feel bad
PurchaseStreet9991@reddit
Don’t get me wrong, you’re 100% correct
toast_fatigue@reddit
Isn’t the Ram brand actually doing really well lately with quality and reliability?
fatitalianstallion@reddit
Nah, it’s one of the only 2 super trucks that were sold and the only one in 22 model year even I bought mine. Wanted a truck with a nice interior that I could daily and build. Stellantis did it. Reviewers across the board still have it as the #1 or #2 truck. I don’t buy cars to impress people, but to enjoy. It’s why my trx has no graphics.
The truth is that a trx has better performance than 99% of traffic, with the exact same 1/4 and 0-60 as that m340i while being a full size pickup.
Would 100% buy it again. Prefer it to the c8 I had and to my scatpack.
PurchaseStreet9991@reddit
I didn’t really buy my M340i for the 1/4 mile times
fatitalianstallion@reddit
Then you wouldn’t pick the m340i based on inadequate cooling. Only actual M vehicles can survive laps. It’s intentional by BMW.
GimmeChickenBlasters@reddit
It's a toy. There's nothing more to understand. They're meant to be fun and they're very good at that. The S63 AMG and Escalade-V also have no reason to exist but they're more fun than the version people already like.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
I guess I’m coming from the perspective that I wanted a quick/fun car, so I bought a car that was low to the ground and had the accompanying suspension to sustain a turn
Wanting a fast car and then lifting it and putting it on low grip, high mass, knobby tires seems like a misplaced strategy for having a fast vehicle
PigSlam@reddit
Believe it or not, not every fast car needs to pull 9Gs on the skid pad, and there are benefits to having a powerful engine that can be measured in ways that do not include quarter mile times.
fatitalianstallion@reddit
Irony is that the rubicon 392 has a better 1/4 time than his card.
Vhozite@reddit
Ngl I read his comment and expected his flair to have a 911 or something
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
I get that. I just don’t know what those benefits are in the context of a lifted Jeep outside of a rock crawl
Which I’m sure is what it was intended for, but unfortunately most people are a lot more boring than what their cars use case is
PigSlam@reddit
I’ve done some crawling in my Jeep, and never thought it needed more power when I was crawling. If you want to go to the sand dunes or run desert trails at high speeds, I can see why something like a Ford Raptor or TRX would be appealing, but I’d expect the majority of those trucks never make it to within 1,000 miles of the terrain where it makes sense.
Carrisonfire@reddit
The only time I've seen a Raptor look worth it was on a frozen snow-covered lake in Canada. Snowmobile is still far cheaper and more practical tho.
GimmeChickenBlasters@reddit
Fast is fun. A V8 makes it even more fun.
College kids pinching pennies to get a 150k mile Miata as their only car aren't the ones buying them. These cost $100k+. If someone can't afford a 3rd or even 4th car they have no business looking at anything in this price range.
These are daily drivers, not track cars. Porsche and Lamborghini's best selling vehicles are SUV's. The people who can afford an Urus or Cayenne Turbo S would've bought a Huracan or 911 GT3 if they were concerned about track performance.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
Eh idk if I’d say a Jeep 392 is a good daily driver
Knobby tires and getting blown around at highway speeds isn’t really the understated comfort I’m looking for on my daily commute
fatitalianstallion@reddit
If I was going to daily a jeep it would be a 392. Not interested in a v6 or i4. 392 sounds good and is quick. Other wranglers struggle to highway speeds. Can get on it on on-ramps or passing. It’s for entertainment. Same reason my trx is over 900 awhp, it’s just fun.
GimmeChickenBlasters@reddit
Pretty evident you don't live in the south. There are about a dozen other cars in that price range I'd buy first, but it's not hard to understand the appeal for someone with deep pockets.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
My mom’s side is from the South so I unfortunately have plenty of time spent there haha
Yeah my main impression actually comes from that. It was always funny to me that rich people who didn’t work for a living would buy lifted trucks. My whole family is like that; insurance salesmen in a spotless King Ranch. Just goofy
I always liked the guys who had normal trucks with mud in the bed and wood chips everywhere. And a crumpled up Wawa coffee cup from a week prior
Colddeck64@reddit
An SUV so tailor made for the customer, they even put their credit score on the fender.
PigSlam@reddit
You’re one of the smart ones. /a
executingsalesdaily@reddit
Right.
narwhal_breeder@reddit
Much like the G-Class - its a vehicle that is sold on what it represents instead of what it is.
redditatworkatreddit@reddit
much unlike the Gclass
wantrefund@reddit
What do they represent?
narwhal_breeder@reddit
Utilitarian and adventurist sentiments. They are a vehicle that gives the impression that someone’s life is more interesting and exciting than it actually is.
People envision themselves in them with a surfboard, even if they’ve never surfed. They picture themselves camping in Moab, when they don’t even own a tent.
The_Bucket_Of_Truth@reddit
You must be thinking of a Land Rover Defender or any number of other vehicles. And your thesis is wrong because in both of those cases the car can do the thing. Most people just don't do it. I think if you ask the average person about what a G wagon represents they will say luxury or an item to telegraph to others that you are rich. But the car also will very much do quite a bit. There aren't many cars that come with triple locking differentials from the factory. There are plenty of CUVs with extra plastic cladding that your statement would befit better than a G wagon. There are plenty of other fair criticisms to levy at it like it doesn't ride very well, especially in the back, compared to a Range Rover. Or it doesn't have much interior space, or the back seat isn't very comfortable for the price point. But it delivers on what it represents whether that's a status symbol or even being very good off road.
executingsalesdaily@reddit
People who love unreliable $100k plus hideous vehicles.
GreatOdinsRaven_@reddit
poor choices and a steadfast willingness to laugh in the face of all things beautiful.
the_lamou@reddit
It doesn't represent anything though. The only one you're impressing with your $80-100k Jeep is the judge at your eventually bankruptcy hearing being impressed that someone dumb enough to buy one is able to cross the street without help from an adult.
hhs2112@reddit
The g-wagon is at least capable. I bet that wagoneer won't make it through wet grass.
executingsalesdaily@reddit
Absolutely!
ertant@reddit
Not own, lease lol
nolongerbanned99@reddit
Yeah when I saw their tv commercial and it said ‘starting at 90k’ I laughed.
Less-Amount-1616@reddit
What a deal honey! The Navigator starts at 100k, huge savings! /s
But seriously I do think people can get in the mindset of saying "wow an enormous full size luxury SUV" and basically look at the Navigator and Escalade pricing and decide anything around there is just fine.
nolongerbanned99@reddit
I think you are correct.
jbourne0129@reddit
my FIL i believe paid around 60-70k for a jeep grand cherokee 4xE. i dont think he had it for more than a year before giving up on it. drove like shit, the ICE was loud and rough. I've never seen so much money produce such a shit product.
shoveazy@reddit
Did he buy it without test driving? Those seem like things that'd be known.
campog@reddit
The subreddit for the 4xe is the most self-hating car subreddit I've ever seen. Just a bunch of guys hoping that their Jeep will catch on fire so they can get the insurance money and buy something else. https://www.reddit.com/r/4xe/comments/1i3s2do/your_4xe_is_a_lemonwhats_your_next_car/
KillaWallaby@reddit
I leased one (for the tax credit) and actually love it. My commute is short enough to be done fully electric, all traffic miles. Would never ever ever ever buy one.
bozemanmetalfab@reddit
Buddy of mine bought the JGC 4XE. Holy shit have I never seen a brand new vehicle have so many issues. Within 5k it had had most of the AC system replaced, spent months in the shop, and also had major transmission problems. I don't know how he wasn't able to lemon law it. The irony is he only bought it for the $7k tax credit and was just going to sell anyway. On top of that, the POS dealership didn't get the title sent out for more than 8 months (I'd have burnt the place down by then) so he ended up losing about $10k before offloading it. (This is after buying under invoice to begin with)
jakeuten@reddit
Most of the ones I’ve seen in MN have Texas plates on them strangely.
itsme92@reddit
So, rental cars?
jakeuten@reddit
Fair enough. I don’t want to imagine the price of renting one of them.
MagixTouch@reddit
Just rented a Grand Wagoneer and had to get a replacement one because the air suspension was fucked. Car only had like 12k miles on it. The second one drove better but was still very “cheap”. In terms of the plasticy feel to everything.
I honestly was shocked at how much they cost. I would definitely not spend that on the Wagoneer. Let alone the Grand Wagoneer.
TaVar35@reddit
We had a group trip that we got one as a rental. When we turned it in the girl asked how we liked it and I said “meh”. She was kinda surprised and asked why and I wasn’t really ready to respond, was just a genuine reaction.
End of the day it’s fine in every aspect, does nothing poorly or amazingly, and I can’t get over the price.
scroopydog@reddit
We rented on in GA last year, was great for a guys trip, but yeah, we all were just like: too expensive.
danny_ish@reddit
My local GA enterprise has one next to 2 tahoes, a fullsize infinity suv, and expeditions. They are popular for large family outings where you want to look classier than a minivan (i love vans but people stigmatize)
wolvzden@reddit
Theyre too long imo
MechMeister@reddit
thee wagoneer and suburban have more off road ability than a minivan, too. but the tahoe and suburban are better than the wagoneer in every way.
FixTheWisz@reddit
Not in every way. I rent a lot and enjoyed driving every 2007-2020 GMT suv I found myself in, which was quite often. The 2021+, though, is just too soft and sluggish, especially when paired to the 5.3. The driving feel of the Wagoneer, though, mimics the older GMTs very well. Some might call that a step backward, but it's right up my alley.
AndroidUser37@reddit
I've driven a 2022 Suburban with the 3L Duramax, it's slow-ish but doesn't feel slow, and you can get 26+ MPG on the highway. Good, strong power, doesn't feel like it's dying when you step on it. You should try one, I think it's the best engine available for it currently and a novel offering in the space.
FixTheWisz@reddit
I haven’t driven the duramax GMT. I’d love to, but doubt I’ll have the chance, as I’ve never seen National stock anything diesel, ever. I’m not one to go out of my way to experience an SUV unless it’s something crazy like a G550 4x4^2, RSQ8, etc, but I will if the opportunity ever pops up. Even though I’m not as crazy of the overall platform in its current iteration, I’ve always still been a big fan of GMTs (see flair).
redditatworkatreddit@reddit
who tf is offroading in a grand wagoneer?
danny_ish@reddit
Offroading is a strong term, but i’m from upstate NY where there are months on end that the roads are white with snow and ice. A minivan struggles to not hit chunks of ice or to go down a badly maintained road to buildings on my old college campus, where the suv’s with 4x4 do heaps better due to obstacle/ground clearance and the extra driven axle
Vimes-NW@reddit
I went offroading in a rental minivan in the Olympic State Park . In one day that poor Chrysler took me on the roads that Jeeps would look at nervously. I went from Seattle to snow covered peaks to westernmost part of the Continental US and had a blast in it. Much like anything is a dildo if you're brave enough, so is an off-road vehicle.. Well, not a dildo. Unless....😏
ILikeTewdles@reddit
I also have the same feeling on them, just "meh". I feel like they were designed to look nice in a press release but when you actually sit in one, it feels like a fake copy ordered off Temu. Like they tried really hard to make it look nice, but it doesn't look or feel that way in person, especially after a few months with some wear.
It feels and looks oddly cheap. Too much shiny plastic mixed with chrome, and the screens are tacky.
I like Jeep as a brand, I don't like the Wagoneer.
glorfiedclause@reddit
How’s the luxury side of it? I’ve been in a few high end SUVs and honestly nobody is blowing my mind outside of Bentley. And even then their tag is ridiculous. Mercedes has to be the worst offender of a boring interior. BMW still has my top vote.
probsdriving@reddit
X5 is so much nicer inside vs. the Grand Wagoner it’s not even funny. I have a lot of seat time in the X5 and had the Jeep as a rental a few months back. You could wiggle the fucking start button around in the housing. Creaky plastic. Terrible UI. Total trash.
I liked the powertrain though.
sinkrate@reddit
When it fuckin works. I rented a Wagoner once, the piece of shit overheated and died minutes after I picked it up, almost stranded me on the side of a busy freeway. Just barely made it to an exit
probsdriving@reddit
Looked at your username and my first thought was whoop whoop pull up whoop whoop
sinkrate@reddit
** terrain terrain **
rome_vang@reddit
Bank Angle
perennialpurist@reddit
Check!
rome_vang@reddit
I’ve had the pleasure? Of renting two of them. Pleasant experience but definitely not worth their price at that time.
Vimes-NW@reddit
Unless you had to live with a BMW. It's a tedious and boring life, since you'd be driving Santa Fe loaners, because SUV for BMW = Shitty Unreliable Van
glorfiedclause@reddit
That’s wild to say when you drove a Supra and the same two engines that were offered in the Supra are in the BMW SUVs.
Vimes-NW@reddit
For 3 months. I wanted a car that scratched the sports car itch, wouldn't depreciate much, had 3 pedals, and came in blue. I really wanted GT-R though and the crazy ADMs kept me away. But after 3 months it started showing off its BMWness and stars aligned, so I bit the bullet and got a GT-R. I simply couldn't get over my disgust for the brand since my E39 lemon days.
No regrets.
glorfiedclause@reddit
I hope you love your gtr, my brother has an r35 I love to drive. With that said I get the resentment lol. I won’t lie I’ve been a bmw fanboy forever so I am bias. I have driven many many many different models and the newer gen is definitely in a league of its own. Reliability and power are incredible. I have an F30 and G80 currently. They definitely are not the N series nightmares that plagued them forever.
Vimes-NW@reddit
I loved the feel and sound, but Toyota didn't even bother with making interior less BMW. No turbo lag, crazy fast, and they had an incredible design and engine that went mostly to LC500. I've loved M cars since my teens and boxy looks, but E39 ruined the brand and nearly killed me.
Ran out of gas on a hwy showing half of tank of fuel
2 engine swaps
Sunroof opened on its own in a pouring rain and wouldn't close
Door trim started sagging like 1980s GM roof liner
Trans shifter broke off
Doors wouldn't open from inside
Car would randomly stall (auto)
Etc. 45+ trips to the shop. Fuck that noise.
Brand New Zupra - parking sensors would start to scream when it rained hard.. Driver seat back wobbled in turns. Stereo wouldn't shut off when you exited the car. Stereo sounded like shit and was farting..$3k option, mind.
Nah. I'm done with beemers. And good Lord - beemer fanboys take over of Supra sub was like watching Squid Games contestant flights
glorfiedclause@reddit
Lmao I can’t deny any of that E39 experience and you gave me Vietnam flashbacks. Also if the can has ever ran out of gas the gas gauge can become unreliable. Sorry you had such poor experiences but who hasn’t with some car brand.
PS: you gotta hit the power off twice to get the radio to shut off on immediate exit.
Vimes-NW@reddit
Double-click to open the trunk, double click to shut the stereo off....
You know, except that BMW and my JL Mojave, can't think of any car I had to take to service more than 2x, and never for the same issue. Lexus didn't even see the shop, except regular oil changes
shwaynebrady@reddit
Objectively, It’s quite Luxurious, has a ton of features and uses pretty nice material.
I’d be willing to bet the majority of people commenting haven’t ever actually driven one.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s overpriced Af. But it’s still very nice.
ILikeTewdles@reddit
I think that is the thing. At first glance or pics online it looks pretty nice. If you sit in it and look at it though it just starts to feel cheap. I guess there is what you consider "Luxury: or "nice". If you're into shiny black plastic, fake chrome trim and screens being considered luxury, you'll like it. The one I drove wasn't exactly wearing very well, the material quality wasn't very good which to me makes it feel cheap. The fake leather and material choices in most Jeeps also makes them feel off to me, especially in a $100K+ vehicle.
I guess that's the only way I could put it, like a knockoff luxury vehicle that puts out the image of being luxurious and nice, but uses cheap construction and feels "off".
They do drive and ride pretty nice though.
shwaynebrady@reddit
I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s like you haven’t actually been in the car. Its interior is at minimum on par if not arguably better than its direct rivals (Escalade, navigator) and even the European OEMs. The higher end jeeps and rams main selling point is their interior. This is a generally accepted consensus from most owners and publications?
Its problem is it’s overpriced, too big and has a brand identity problem.
Kavani18@reddit
This thing’s interior is nowhere close to even being in the same conversation as the Escalade and Navigator. Those are real luxury vehicles from actual luxury brands. This is a Jeep
ILikeTewdles@reddit
I've been in a few, ridden in one. Guess it's just a personal preference thing then. The styling and materials used feel and look cheap to me. We'll have to agree to disagree, I'm not a fan of the current Jeep styling, and that's ok.
DickButkisses@reddit
I really like the Q7, am I alone? It’s a mid size, not sure if we were just talking about full size or what. But the third row laying down at the push of a button was nice for travel.
glorfiedclause@reddit
Audi has fantastic features also. I haven’t been in a Q7 but have been in the SQ5 and it’s very nice.
nolongerbanned99@reddit
Temu comment. Nice.
StepsOnLEGO@reddit
Exactly how I felt getting in a grand cherokee. Looks nice but it just felt like everything was really cheap.
ILikeTewdles@reddit
Yep. I'm a Jeep guy and wanted a new GC until I went and sat in one. So much cheap shiny plastic and cheap feeling materials.
The previous generation GC was nothing to write home about but felt pretty solid and didn't have dumb materials choices like piano black trim and shiny painted plastic all over the dash and doors.
IMO Jeep in general has kind of just lost their way when they decided to go "upscale". The Wrangler is still decent ( besides being overpriced), everything else is off in left field.
tagrav@reddit
Why would I spend all that on that thing when GM sells an Escalade?
JustThall@reddit
I have the same feeling about all major large SUVs.
There is always a few things that trigger “why did they overlooked this feature and cheapened out so much?” response in me
intern_steve@reddit
It's pretty terrible at turning gasoline into forward motion, if that counts for anything.
shwaynebrady@reddit
Really? I agree that it’s completely overpriced, but it’s a great roadtrip car and I really enjoyed it.
Not sure what the price of car has to do with your impression of it as a rental
TaVar35@reddit
My meh was more based at how the truck is not remarkable in any way, especially the way it’s spec’d for rentals. However for all the shit Stellantis gets, we also didn’t find it egregious in a bad way either. It does great as an appliance that hauls a decent group
I’m also by far not a target demographic, so none of its practicality particularly makes a note for me. Overall it did its job for our trip, but it’s not a rental I would run up to in the line if I needed to rent that class again.
Price came up when we were sitting at the airport waiting for our buddies flight to land, and guessing the sticker price and were floored when we googled it. But again, that’s not necessarily an issue only this truck has
instaeloq1@reddit
Actually great option for a rental with a lot of passengers. Especially for longer road trips. But yeah, definitely priced too high to purchase.
isomorphZeta@reddit
Corporate rates, baby! National has a ton of Wagoneers and Grand Wagoneers in their fleet, and they dump them on the Emerald Executive aisle all the time. $32.50 a day is our negotiated rate, whether it's a Mitsubishi Shitbox or a Land Rover Range Rover.
gumol@reddit
Rental prices are weird. One time I wanted to rent a basic minivan for a weekend trip, as we had 6 people in our group. Turns out well equipped Toyota Land Cruiser with a V8 engine was the same price.
The only drawback was fuel economy, but it was well worth it. However, I think the lowest I've seen was like 2 or 5 MPG going up a steep hill.
ctzn4@reddit
2-5 MPG is crazy. I knew the V8 would be thirsty but that is one steep freaking hill.
Drzhivago138@reddit
We once rented a minivan for a weekend trip but they had none, so they bumped us up to a high roof Sprinter van at no extra charge. It honestly drove pretty well and had decent fuel efficiency for its size, but it was way too much vehicle for only 6 people.
105_irl@reddit
Sprinter vans are so wonderfully easy to drive for how much car you get. I’d take one over a pickup any day.
jeezuspleezus@reddit
I got one as a free upgrade at a National, so $49 a day, strangely enough. It was nice enough to drive for a couple days, but never in a million years would I pay six figures for one.
Supersize_You@reddit
National emerald aisles are basically full of wagoneers, palisades and tucsons... with a surprise mustang convertible once in awhile
shwaynebrady@reddit
Yeah that’s my impression. I worked on the wagoneer program at FCA when I was employed there. I got to drive the fully loaded grand wagoner and it was truly pretty impressive.
Way overpriced, but still impressive.
LeKy411@reddit
Had one for work in Huntsville Alabama it was $58 a day under the SUV rental. They had 8 of them. I wanted the VW Atlas but they said it was labeled premium so I couldn’t get it. Instead they gave me the Wagoneer which makes 0 sense based on the sticker price of each.
TrptJim@reddit
If the location is busy, they might just give you one as a free upgrade. Happens often enough that I don't bother to upgrade beforehand.
SoCalChrisW@reddit
We rented one to help my daughter move I to her dorm. It was a piece of shit. It rode nice, but the electronics were fucked. Cruise control worked sporadically, as did carplay. The temperature adjustment switches would only work to lower the temperature, not raise it. To raise it we had to go in through the touch screen. I later learned that that's how they are designed, a lot of people have the same issue with it that we did, it's just a really shitty design on the switches that's not intuitive.
The amount they ask for these things is absurd.
ShadowGLI@reddit
Like $75/day with Avis unless it’s a big city
Nicesockscuz@reddit
Just booked one for a week in the summer for $500 usd. Not bad for a 7/8 seater
mishap1@reddit
In airports with ski access, $700 a week or more if busy. If I’m in San Diego and trying to be low key with a new client meeting, $120 and it’s all they have left.
Conquistador_555@reddit
I've rented one about 5 times now, along with Expeditions, Navigators, Suburbans, etc.
They aren't bad, switches and controls are a little funky.
They aren't in the same quality range as the others in the class, though.
BigOldButt99@reddit
Lol I'm going on a ski trip to Colorado next month for a buddys bachelor party, he just mentioned he booked some cars, got a wagoneer. I suppose it's good for those situations. Huge, lots of seats, somewhat luxurious. And we don't have to keep it when it breaks down in 6 months!
FlatBrokeEconomist@reddit
I got upgraded to one in Knoxville. Walking through the parking lot, half the rentals were Grand Wagoneers. So that’s why they were offering free upgrades.
Spoonmanners2@reddit
I got one as a premium rental. I thought it was nice and comparable to my current SUV. Like I’d consider both whenever I’m buying again. Problem was it costs twice as much as my current SUV.
average_waffle@reddit
I worked valet at a hotel, if you see a wagoneer on the road there's a 95% chance it's a rental.
barbaq24@reddit
They all got off loaded to fleet vehicles for rental companies. I travel quite a bit and its amusing how many large SUVs for rental are these Wagoneers. Yellowstone National Park this summer was basically a Wagoneer cars and coffee.
PinkleeTaurus@reddit
I noticed a field full of only Wagoneers outside the Bozeman airport this summer. Had to be hundreds. I wondered if they didn't bring them in directly by rail.
kurujt@reddit
Not sure if it's true, but there's a huge amount of Texas plates in MI lately - I read a piece somewhere saying that because TX has incredibly lax licensing rules, people are using it to get around paying car insurance? Can't find anything except people discussing it now, nothing official.
ctjameson@reddit
So I can personally attest to this. My wife and I moved to Los Angeles 5 years ago, and she still has completely legitimate, fully up to date, Texas tags because it was mid-COVID, and tbh we just haven’t cared enough to go to the DMV to transfer, because there’s nothing pushing us to do it. Texas is just like “alright cool. Thanks for the money, here’s your little sticker” and sends it to CA.
spankybranch@reddit
I’m very seems couple news stories over the last year of this - you can get Texas temporary plates (like when you purchase a vehicle) cheap, they last up to 90 days and include “insurance” … quotes because it satisfies the legal requirements but you’re basically SOL if you try to file a claim. People will pay as little as $70 and in some cases print it out at home/have it mailed.
It’s a loop hole that needs to be closed. I see out of state temp tags daily (I’m in central Florida) on vehicles that are over 15 years old. The ammount of hit-and-run collisions where one vehicle has these kinds of tags is also increasing.
Energy4Days@reddit
I read somewhere that Memphis is flooded with them
lumpialarry@reddit
Most of the Texas Altima Paper Gang are just using fake temp tags anyway so they aren't even playing this weird insurance game at all.
lumpialarry@reddit
I don't think Texas has that lax of licensing rules its just that people just roll around with fake tags and the cops never stop them. It is one of the worst states to lease a car since you have to pay tax on the full MSRP. Toyota sales are area also all controlled by Gulf States Toyota which makes them a bad deal.
sxswestbrook@reddit
I was gunna say I think I see one a day in Houston
jca_ftw@reddit
IQ of Texans is well known to be pretty low.
FirstGearPinnedTW200@reddit
I’ve never seen one that wasn’t a fleet vehicle, and that’s living in two states at once and road-tripping across the country regularly. It’s the new v6 mustang for Enterprise.
Mend1cant@reddit
Chrysler mechanical with Italian electrical.
Droopy1592@reddit
Oh god
Mend1cant@reddit
Stellantis problems suddenly make sense don’t they
Droopy1592@reddit
Easily. That’s end of the world shit… can’t win
Shallow_wanderer@reddit
scaredwillemdafoe.gif
cacboy@reddit
Or a 70k Hyundai
swampfox94@reddit
All those chumps paying bmw/mb/audi prices for a palisade during Covid was peak stupidity. All underwater now of course lol
Stu__Pidasso@reddit
IONIQ 5s were selling at up to 15k OVER MSRP during COVID near me. There are chumps and there are idiots
aprtur@reddit
Tellurides and Palisades were doing that bad if not worse during the pandemic, weren't they? That genuinely shocked me.
PinkleeTaurus@reddit
Inventory on Tellurides/Palisades is still tight in many markets. My wife bought a '23 Palisade in late August '22 when they were very difficult to find. MSRP plus a $400 protection package was best we could do but that was still about $15k cheaper than her next choice. I had heard of a lot of folks paying $3k-$5k over MSRP for them but considering what you get, that still wasn't a bad deal in the scheme of things. So far depreciation has been pretty similar to Highlander/Pilots. Edmunds currently estimates a new one will lose about 2% more than a Highlander over the next five years. An Acura MDX is expected to lose 10% more.
christobevii3@reddit
I want to see the face of someone who bought a Raptor Bronco $20k over sticker with them now being discounted like $12k off.
AncefAbuser@reddit
I just put in an offer for a Bronco Raptor for 20k under.
I am a menace. This particular one has been sitting on the lot for 6 months. It changes spots every few weeks. But I know its the same one.
Fuckers better cave.
ctjameson@reddit
Good luck!
avinash240@reddit
You just named three German car manufacturers who don't do well on the used market.
You're pretty much under water driving most new cars off the lot.
Energy4Days@reddit
German cars are for leasing for that reason
avinash240@reddit
Not according to some of the "people are so stupid for buying a KIA for 'BMW' money." As I told them, there are literally people who'd call them stupid for buying a BMW, MB, Audi.
The sense of entitlement to shit on how other people spend their money is a special kind of something.
I buy cars because I like/love them. In no universe am I bragging that my depreciating assets purchase makes me smarter than anyone else.
swampfox94@reddit
The issue is paying luxury prices for a Kia lol
avinash240@reddit
Is it? For every car brand there is someone who thinks someone is stupid for buying it.
This just feels like shitting on people because they value a brand differently than you do.
Most cars are depreciating assets, what are we really doing? pretending to be geniuses because we bought a different depreciating assets for the same money?
pretendviperpilot@reddit
Ehhhh you could argue that Genesis quality is near on par with the Euro snobs. I'd still go for Lexus or Acura though, without having done research.
tmothy07@reddit
Really? lol
pretendviperpilot@reddit
I think I'd rock a TLX Type S. They look really nice. I'd have to test drive one and for me no manual is a potential deal kill in the absence of a DCT. Not impressed with the power for the price range vs competition.
I dint know if the ATS Blackwing is in this price range but that would be my benchmark.
racks1700@reddit
Did he say Genesis?
lodermoder@reddit
There are no other Hyundais that are close to even touching 70k except their crazy performance electric thingy
mikesmith0890@reddit
Regularly, no. But both the Palisade and Telluride were massively priced over MSRP during Covid. People were paying out their ass if they could even find one they wanted
newyerker@reddit
And do u rly think ppl were that stupid to do it? Everything was ceazy at that time ud have to be very dense not to admit that, and there were seriously no other competition that offered anything remotely close to the pali tellu siblings in quality and features offering at the time. Ppl speak with their money.
mikesmith0890@reddit
Very few people need a car that badly to shell over 20k+ over msrp on a vehicle like that. Any one with financial common sense knew better than to do something like that. I bought 2 and sold one vehicle during that time. Still paid under msrp
mikesmith0890@reddit
Yes. PLENTY of people were all over it. Dealers could not keep them on the lots. It was absolutely stupid
Drzhivago138@reddit
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent.
mechabeast@reddit
Hey Paul!
pretendviperpilot@reddit
Did we invite you?
scroopydog@reddit
Define quality here: fit and finish? Materials? Reliability? Performance? Everything?
I really have no experience with Genesis, but that’s a bold statement.
Rhufus@reddit
I’m just coming up to 160,000 kilometers/100,000 miles, and I am still so impressed with my 2020 Genesis G70. Especially the interior, which remains squeak and rattle free. So far its required nothing more than regular maintenance and replacement of wear parts (brakes and wipers).
pretendviperpilot@reddit
I'm borderline ass talking never having driven a G80, but most reviews seem to follow the theme that overall its 90% of the 5 series and 70% of the price. I did look at bit closer at the cheaper G70, and test drove one. I had a hard time thinking about it as a Hyundai product, because it was really fantastic.
scroopydog@reddit
Interesting. Thanks.
sc0lm00@reddit
How about a $80k Armada or $100k QX80?
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
I’d agree if it weren’t for the fact that the Ioniq 5N has almost universally stellar reviews (except for one journalist who said it was too fast, what a pussy) and for being more fun to drive than cars several times more expensive
Whereas the Wagoneer is exists solely for suburban mothers to pick their kids up and their husbands won’t buy German
InvasionOfScipio@reddit
Are you saying the Ioniq 5 N is over priced?
SteveS117@reddit
If I’m looking for a large SUV in that price range, 0% chance I even consider the grand wagoneer, and I worked in one of the plants that supplies for the car. I’d take the Escalade or the navigator
DerangedGinger@reddit
I have the $80k PHEV and can confirm it's a piece of shit.
Drone30389@reddit
In a "squeaks and rattles" kind of way or more of a "leaves me stranded" way?
DerangedGinger@reddit
Both. They've tried to fix a dash rattle and it came back. Sold it with an open safety recall. Just finished the recall so I can charge it without worrying it'll catch fire.
It's just... Janky. At 10k miles I have more trust in our mustang with 100k miles. I'll never buy another Stellantis product. Shit products, shit dealerships, shit company.
Stellantis/Chrysler is the only company I've sued twice. And I've only sued a couple people in my life.
Drone30389@reddit
That's not a bad policy but to be fair a lot of people say that about Ford and GM too, and rightly so.
Frequent_Material_36@reddit
The gap between GM/Ford and Stellantis is cavernous
Sheepygoatherder@reddit
You sued them twice and bought another one of their products?
DerangedGinger@reddit
I sued them once in the past. This is my first CDJR in like 15+ years. I had to sue them again. I just want them to buy it back at this point.
narwhal_breeder@reddit
only 92 more payments to go!
bgroins@reddit
Damn, kick a man while he's dumb.
Bderken@reddit
What compelled you to buy it?
Boxadorables@reddit
He's quite clearly deranged
redditatworkatreddit@reddit
from what I've seen, realtors
Colddeck64@reddit
Hertz
blipsman@reddit
And ugly, too! Stole the name of a classically handsome SUV and made no effort to emulate its design in any way
FlyingLap@reddit
It’s not a Jeep, sweetie. It’s a wAGoNeeR.
007meow@reddit
W A G O N E E R
Shallow_wanderer@reddit
lmao even the font looks exactly the same
dalittle@reddit
IMHO, even the name is dumb.
kers2000@reddit
Canyoneroooooo
KraljZ@reddit
My neighbor has one. All white fully loaded. No idea why you’ll spend over 100k on a fucking jeep
Prize-Interaction755@reddit
Rich white suburban moms
RiftHunter4@reddit
Stellantis vehicles are generally really nice at first impression, but the common theme is that they don't stay nice once you actually have to start driving it.
JimmyReagan@reddit
Yeah, my Charger is only still nice because I barely drive it, my Jeep is closing in on 90K and shit keeps falling off. Just today I noticed a little cloudy spot in the paint, at first I thought it was the panel that was replaced in an accident but then I realized it was the other side...the factory paint.
Dinkerdoo@reddit
Every Stellantis car I've rented (triple digit mileage) has felt like a POS straight off the bat.
Sun_Aria@reddit
I’ve rented a Cherokee and a Charger. The Cherokee was a pile of shit car. I feel sorry for people who buy them. Charger wasn’t too bad it was just uncomfortable. The ergonomics? weren’t there. Honorable mention: The Renegade is also a pile of shit.
Dinkerdoo@reddit
I've had a Charger as well. The engine? Fantastic. Everything else, especially ergonomics and infotainment? Shit.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
The Rams are pretty nice, and I hate anything Chrysler/Stelantis. The interiors feel really durable compared to Ford.
GolfGodsAreReal@reddit
They are JUNK
RiftHunter4@reddit
People have been saying this since before Stellantis or FCA existed and they were separate companies lol. My family had a 90s Grand Cherokee for a while, and the reputation of Jeep hasn't changed nearly 20 years later. Same with Alfa Romeo and Dodge. Lord knows Dodge has built some trash in its lifetime.
Bubbly_Collection329@reddit
God fearing Texans. Quite unfortunate for me as a small car driver
i_use_this_for_work@reddit
Bc it’s the nicest thing in its class. It bests the Escalade and navigator.
WatchStoredInAss@reddit
I started laughing hysterically when I found how much people are paying for this jeep.
eric_ts@reddit
Former Jeep salesman here. (Daimler era.) Stellantis was completely out of their flocking minds to price any Jeep at north of six digits. They might have pulled it off if they had done an even passable job at styling and QC. They were very far from passable in either aspect.
specialcommenter@reddit
People finance or lease. I see plenty of these in NYC. These are built in Ram 1500 frame so I don’t know about the POS part. Maybe the new i6 turbo engine will be a problem?
CaptianRipass@reddit
I've seen a surprising large amount of them on vancouver island... for some reason they give rental vibes but no stickers or badging to prove it
TimberTheDog@reddit
My dad lol
GolfGodsAreReal@reddit
I hope the apple falls far from that tree lol
TimberTheDog@reddit
Oh absolutely
democracywon2024@reddit
Better than spending 60k on a Ford Piece of Shit!
SignificantBro@reddit
My neighbor has two 😬
GolfGodsAreReal@reddit
They have more dollars than sense.
softwaregravy@reddit
That’s the problem though, right? The answer is not many.
Daddgonecrazy@reddit
For that money I’m getting a Lexus lx600
elislider@reddit
people who dont read reviews or consumer guides or reliability scores or anything, but know someone else who would be impressed by them having one.
sujimonmaster@reddit
A wagooner
airfryerfuntime@reddit
I was talking to some dumbass on here who paid $110k for a Wrangler 392. It's just a regular fucking wrangler with wider suspension and 6.4. Absolutely insane someone would pay that for a Wrangler.
rental_car_fast@reddit
What's crazy is how many I've seen on the road. I always try to get a look at the driver to see if they look as stupid as I know they are.
Chi-Guy86@reddit
Lots of people here in FL apparently
GolfGodsAreReal@reddit
Floods, hurricanes, and Grand Wagoneer's nothing good about any of them
ShadowGLI@reddit
Any Stellantis product honestly
Fenrirsulfur@reddit
I have a few customers in my area that purchased new ones. They're Jeep loyalists, but I could never justify buying something like that. Especially when you have the Escalade and Navigator available.
Viperlite@reddit
A friend of mine did… at the same time he was saving to buy a home.
Silfrgluggr@reddit
My farmer uncle. He's been dealing with routine flats because the rubber band tires can't handle northern sask gravel (boulders)
ClaudeStOnge@reddit
It’s a Ram 1500 in Jeep costume!
AFB27@reddit
All the Germans you can buy at that price, I mean hell I'd even take the Escalade / Yukon / Suburban over this.
Used to feel meh about the Suburban until I got one as an Uber, probably the best Uber I've ever had in terms of space. And the new one looks so good.
rafster929@reddit
"We got caught being greedy and no one bought our crap"
tclark2006@reddit
Yeah they could get away with 20k increases on chargers/challengers because they were in demand and they were advertising the end of them for about 3 years to gain some FOMO buyers.
But this turd was incorrectly priced and optioned straight out of the gate.
2BlueZebras@reddit
Literally my neighbor. Traded in his SRT Challenger for a Hellcat Challenger because they're going to stop making the V8.
ctzn4@reddit
So he traded in a V8 for a V8 because they said they would stop making V8s?
Some people, man.
Da_Funk@reddit
Most likely he went from the 392 to the Supercharged 6.2.
Vimes-NW@reddit
Still looks like a fucking Intrepid inside 🤮
truthlesshunter@reddit
Maybe he thought they would stop making superchargers
Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit
You can see it has NOTHING to do with what it costs to make, it's just about charging the absolute most for the same thing that people will pay. I guarantee they could cut another 10k off it and still make a huge profit, but then it would be too obvious just how hollow it is what you're paying for.
BogdanPradatu@reddit
Wait till you find out about luxury items, like clothes or watches.
Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit
Yeah, there is plenty of junk that marketing convinces people is better than it is, that doesn't change that there is still plenty of actually skillfully made things worthy of their luxury price.
Sashaaa@reddit
That’s how everything is priced.
Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit
No it's not, conveniently naive to believe so.
Sashaaa@reddit
Naive to think otherwise.
I guarantee that the friendly neighborhood farmer would charge you $50 per tomato if they thought you’d pay it.
It’s basic supply and demand. Jeep just overestimated the demand.
EliminateThePenny@reddit
Bold of you to claim something so authoritatively when you don't know what you're talking about. But hey, this is reddit so what else should I expect?
The average margin on a new car sale is ~7.5%
Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit
This is Jeep were talking about, not an average car that actually has silver quality control to pay for.
yetiflask@reddit
Wow, you just figured what what the price of an item is.
Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit
Not always the case,
superdude4agze@reddit
That's literally capitalism. Your McDonalds burger is priced at the absolute maximum they can charge to maintain their desired profits. It's not based on the price of goods/production.
speedypotatoo@reddit
The more upmarket and better perception a brand has, the more it's able to price it at what consumers perceived it's value vs just adding 10% to the cost. Unfortunately for jeep, no body thinks they're a high end brand lol
gmwdim@reddit
Jeep still had some brand loyalists until they pulled this Wagoneer bullshit.
Pattern_Is_Movement@reddit
Agreed but not every business abides by this, so as much as I can I'll buy from them or buy used when it's price actually settles down to what it's worth.
Not saying everyone needs to be like me, but its working for me so far.
rafster929@reddit
That’s why tariffs doesn’t bring down prices, local manufacturers just increase their prices to fall just below the price of their competitors + tariff.
cheeset2@reddit
What do you think companies do?
Dismal-Technician907@reddit
I was given a brand new Jeep Avenger as a courtesy car over Christmas, the RAC checked why there was excessive noise from the near side front wheel and passenger door, it turned out that sound proofing material was missing and it had a nasty habit of turning the headlights off by itself. I had it for a further week and never drove it at night.
Chokedee-bp@reddit
The wagoner is sooo ugly it hurts my eyes. It’s like a fat square that is overweight and has no style or sexy lines at all.
dastardlydeeded@reddit
Still too expensive for what it is.
wolvzden@reddit
Holy cow they are 100k?
Theres one out in the parking lot it looks way too long first of all second it looks like a suburban or tahoe basically
MisterMakena@reddit
Third row windows look upside down, could never unsee it.
Reasonable_Ant5380@reddit
Cool now make it cheap
lawman9000@reddit
I had one as a loaner last year and really enjoyed having it for a week. Was comfortable, plenty nice interior... but it wasn't a $70k+ car. No way.
I'd be in at $55k, for the upper mid-level trim the rental was.
djseto@reddit
55k won’t even get you into a overland trimmed Grand Cherokee.
redditonreddit_65@reddit
Yeah I had one as a rental this week and enjoyed it. I’m with you though, not paying more than 55-60k for one. If that…
lawman9000@reddit
The 3.0L Hurricane, despite being the lower output version in the one I had, really moved. I was impressed. Hopefully it turns out to be a reliable engine, I dig it!
PalmTreeIsBestTree@reddit
How did it sound?
lawman9000@reddit
Twas no hemi, but it did sound decent. Sounded very much like BMW's B58, which is one of my favorite engines anyhow.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@reddit
I was hoping it sounded like a B58. Considering they are both 3.0 straight 6s.
Puzzled_Fun8@reddit
Hey Thomas Lankheit, can you pay me now you asshat?
What_the_8@reddit
Well no shit, it’s amazing how far some of these execs are divorced from reality
FirmRoyal@reddit
The entire automotive industry thought 2% car loans were going to last forever.
I would bet most of those low-end luxury trims & EV models were sold with people only caring about the monthly payment.
djseto@reddit
They also let dealers openly screw people during Covid. Now they can eat a dick with their cars sitting.
Dinkerdoo@reddit
And now "take over payments" will be one of the most common listing phrases.
iwantac8@reddit
He already ran away with the bags and destroyed the brand, he doesn't care.
Sun_Aria@reddit
CEO playbook: Come in, make some moves, cash out stocks and bonuses, and dip out. On to the next one.
SirSteyr@reddit
We called these people pigeons at my old work. Fly in, shit on everything, and take off again.
iwantac8@reddit
Oh yeah and the Board of directors love those types of CEOs because they benefit as well but have a scapegoat when/if the company goes under.
srtftw@reddit
You don’t say?
fickiff@reddit
I see them everywhere tbh
chunkymonk3y@reddit
They’re popular in rental fleets
ThMightyThor@reddit
Me too, not to mention my brother and uncle have one
scroopydog@reddit
I see them everywhere, with red Colorado fleet (rental) plates.
dsonger20@reddit
Navigator, Escalade, GLS, X7 money for a Jeep.
Easy choice.
nimama3233@reddit
I mean… no.
The maintenance and repair costs on an x7 is over $4k a year: https://www.edmunds.com/bmw/x7/2019/cost-to-own/
The maintenance and repair on an Escalade is a little over $1.5k a year: https://www.edmunds.com/cadillac/escalade/2024/cost-to-own/
Wagoner is just a hair over $1k: https://www.edmunds.com/jeep/grand-wagoneer/2023/cost-to-own/
I didn’t look up the other two, but you’re just plain wrong mix
College_Prestige@reddit
Your own link shows the 5 year ownership cost for the wagoneer to be higher than the escalade and x7
nimama3233@reddit
Sure, because of depreciation and the Escalade and Wagoneer are more expensive than the x7.
My only argument was the wagoneer is not less reliable; you have to pay way more in repairs and maintenance for the BMW
RunnerLuke357@reddit
An Escalade is a GM truck underneath all that luxury shit. I'd pick that any day of the week because you know that there will always be parts for it and that the engineers atleast tried to make it good.
dsonger20@reddit
I mean they include 7k in repairs over 5 years for the X7?
Let’s be honest, most buyers are going to lease them on 3-4 year leases. It’s well within the warranty period. If they’re doing 5 year ownership costs, then why is there a repair cost?
HumbleGoatCS@reddit
Really? I see so many of them in my area.. i thought they were selling well. Grand wagoneers especially
Kavani18@reddit
Same here. Obviously not on the level of the Escalade or even the QX80, but I still see a strange lot of them
Ham_Damnit@reddit
Leases.
MaraudingWalrus@reddit
I'm adjacent to a fancy area of Orlando, I see way more wagoneers and grand wagoneers than Escalades and QX80s. Frankly, I see more Grenadiers than Escalades, lol
txmail@reddit
I was told the local dealer is dumping them (and most other inventory) for about 40% off so... is it a deal at $60 - $65k?
jca_ftw@reddit
Uh No. Dealers where I am are giving $15 - $20K off MSRP, and some of them are STILL over $100K. What a joke.
Manginaz@reddit
They're still very poorly built.
EvanOdom@reddit
Yes, but I’d probably try to get them to lease it to you at that price
t-poke@reddit
Same, I see them all the time.
Maybe they’re just rentals. I haven’t paid that much attention to the plates. But they’re out there.
Stealthfox94@reddit
Majority I see are Grand Wagoneers. I rarely see the standard Wagoneer.
specialcommenter@reddit
Those other people are commenting from rural towns. I see plenty of these in NYC. They are an alternative to the Yukon.
jca_ftw@reddit
Not a SINGLE one in northern colorado. NOT ONE. I saw one in denver (bleach blonde driving with a small dog in the window) and I immedately googled it when I got home. I didn't even know the model existed. The plastic surgery woman and her dog make sense now.
canikony@reddit
I had one as a rental. It was nice enough for a rental but I had no idea how much they retailed for, wild. Who in their right mind would spend that much on one of these.
spongebob_meth@reddit
I see like 5 every day lol. They're about as common as suburbans in my area.
koenigsaurus@reddit
I saw 3 the other day just running errands. There’s one person who got one brand new in my neighborhood, which had to be about half the cost of their house. No judgment, but that’s definitely not how I would spend 6 figures.
AmericanExcellence@reddit
i see multiple most times i am out for a drive.
all in all, it seems like they're perfectly fine vehicles for 2/3 the price [usual new-vehicle teething issues excluded], but the throttle house comparison of braking vs. an Escalade told me everything i needed to know about the underlying engineering. just not really competitive.
Cmee4svc@reddit
They are so ugly poor design if I see one a month it’s a lot .
ThiefofNobility@reddit
I said "a 90k+ Jeep is fucking insane" when they rolled them out and got flamed for it.
I've also seen so very few of them.
Far_Sandwich_6553@reddit
Looks like the navigators fucked up uncle. Neither are appealing IMO. A garbage truck conversion would work!
7eregrine@reddit (OP)
Agree it's hideous.
gunghogary@reddit
The market did not bear
Gullible_Rich_7156@reddit
The thing that’s confusing in all of this is that people assume that EVERY Wagoneer they see on the road is a $110K vehicle when in reality, only Series III Grand Wagoneers reach this pricepoint. I bought a 2023 Series I (but fully loaded with every available option package) pre-owned with 20K miles. I paid $56K, but I’ve had more than a few people react very surprisingly thinking that I had purchased a $100K vehicle. I do fairly well and would consider myself upper middle class but I’m doing THAT well. I think Stellantis would do well to eliminate the myriad of trim levels and also the non “L” models. For those who are unfamiliar the “L” is about 18” longer, giving more rear cargo room. Get rid of the non-L (the cargo area in those is useless), get rid of the Series I, II and III, and just have a Wagoneer and a Grand Wagoneer and option packages for each. Simple.
Drzhivago138@reddit
Like when George Lucas said "I may have gone too far in a few places" in regards to Jar Jar.
wsdmskr@reddit
Sith Lord Jar Jar, thank you very much.
leftlanespawncamper@reddit
Hey, he's canon now and you can get him as a Lego minifig: https://www.lego.com/en-us/product/the-dark-falcon-75389
er-day@reddit
I’ll have you know he’s a Disney princess
Vhozite@reddit
What the hell is this like mirror universe? This is hilarious haha
watchingsongsDL@reddit
They stuck a Jar Jar head on Darth Vader. Awesome!
AntiGravityBacon@reddit
Would have been better than whatever that Episode 9 shit was
Bart_Oates@reddit
Jeeps are like poetry, they rhyme
SukiDobe@reddit
I remember the first one we got on trade at my dealership, I pulled the CARFAX and saw 5-6 open recalls.
SukiDobe@reddit
I remember the first one we got on trade at my dealership, I pulled the CARFAX and saw 5-6 open recalls.
PutNational7415@reddit
I have a 22 Series III that I got last year. Also in consideration were Yukon, Ex Max and Suburban. Similarly optioned and mileage, all of the other brands were $10K or more over the Wagoneer. Put 20K on it so far with no issues. Only thing I really hate is that the AC system is way underpowered and doesn't cool the third row well. All said and done I got it for about 60% MSRP.
I feel sorry for the guy who had it for a year before me.
themariokarters@reddit
6 figures for a Jeep. How are people voluntarily buying these lol
EasyE1979@reddit
lol That's an understatement. Their hole lineup is priced like they are selling luxury cars.
College_Prestige@reddit
Technically not the same size category, but a fully loaded telluride or palisade is a full 10k cheaper than the starting price of a wagoneer
itsnottommy@reddit
The Wrangler makes the whole Jeep brand feel aspirational to a certain type of customer so I understand charging a premium to get a crossover with a Jeep badge. But it should’ve been fairly obvious that nobody wants to pay Escalade money for a Jeep.
Well_thats_cool@reddit
But even still, not that long ago you could get a wrangler for $20k which made them attainable. Now you’d be hard pressed to find a base model wrangler for less than $30k
bigRalreadyexists@reddit
Well, yeah but a lot of that is inflation. In 2004, I bought a brand new base model wrangler. No options, 4 cylinder, and half doors, manual transmission, and it didn’t even have a center console. It was so slow with 170 hp and a death trap. It was $18k, full doors were an extra 2k. In 2025 dollars, that’s $30k.
You can get a base model 2025 wrangler for $32k. It has full doors, 270 HP, and is a little bit less of a death trap. It also has car play, abs, side airbags, apple car play.
I find it hard to defend Stellantis, but on base wrangler pricing, i think it’s fair enough. Arguably, it’s even cheaper now?
ctjameson@reddit
Man. I’d KILL for a stripper TJ with half doors that hasn’t been ragged to hell and back (for a reasonable price). I’d even take a 2WD! I just want a cruiser anyway. Not looking to act like I go off road.
TurboSalsa@reddit
It’s borderline Range Rover money in the higher Grand Wagoneer trims.
PlaneReflection@reddit
“Escalade money for a Jeep”
This is as real as it gets. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
Vimes-NW@reddit
I paid more for Mojave than Shelby GT350. I'm not a smart man.
Drzhivago138@reddit
They still have the $26K Compass.
timberwolvesguy@reddit
Somehow, also overpriced
Drzhivago138@reddit
I wonder if the Avenger would sell well here or if it would be considered too small.
Colddeck64@reddit
In right now’s retail market, affordability is what’s selling and moving. Subcompact SUVs are selling quickly in everyone’s lineup.
If Jeep added this Avenger subcompact SUV, it would need to enter the market in the 21500 for the entry line.
Then it would sell amazingly well.
ThMogget@reddit
I want one.
Drzhivago138@reddit
I'm not a fan of CUVs smaller than compact, but I'd give this one a look if it had manual+AWD.
Vimes-NW@reddit
Nah. At that price you can find a used JK or even JL or Bronco with MT.
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
In fact, Jeep CEO interests to bring Avenger to America, he really looks like waiting Jeep more affordable.
However, I just wonder how they able to import that model from Poland. It seems like CMP not designed for America safety regulations.
MechMeister@reddit
I still see tons of renegades in my area. people will buy subcompacts if they are cheap enough.
Ticoune0825@reddit
I mean it depends if it's a real 4x4, or just another car with intelligent gimmick AWD
Drzhivago138@reddit
It's a subcompact crossover, so it doesn't have "real 4x4", but Jeep does try to make their crossovers have better off-road performance than most.
DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit
It's just slightly bigger than the Scion Xa and quite a bit smaller than the new Nissan Kicks. I'd say no.
nalydpsycho@reddit
A rip-off at any price.
Lemazze@reddit
🤣🤣🤣
BreakingNewsy7@reddit
Jesus! For a compASS?!!
Sexyturtletime@reddit
I thought is was the CumPiss
Vimes-NW@reddit
You spelled "snowball" wrong 🤔😂
RunnerLuke357@reddit
Either or it stinks.
Vimes-NW@reddit
Interior is covered in Salvation Army donated work slacks cloth. Like parts where you would find plastic or faux wood..💩
Vimes-NW@reddit
You laugh but at 26k their entertainment center and rear camera run circles around a $140k GT-R in 2024. And even supports Android Auto, which isn't available in neither Nissan GTR nor Toyota Supra. In 2024!
t-poke@reddit
For a period on the 2010s, I was traveling for work a lot and rented everything under the sun.
The Compass is hands down the worst car I have ever rented and it’s not even close.
russthegod@reddit
Thats base price for base model. They go up to $32K if you want black trim/wheels
UmichChris@reddit
They THINK that’s what they are selling lol
007meow@reddit
They tried to move upmarket without doing anything to justify moving upmarket
Mastermachetier@reddit
its literally the msrp of a Porsche Cayenne lmao
Holiday_Parsnip_9841@reddit
Even with dealers advertising 10-16k off most Stellantis vehicles, the pricing is still too high.
turboash78@reddit
Hole lineup... good one.
Bleezy79@reddit
All the corporations have gone too far with pricing. It’s called greed and price gouging
7eregrine@reddit (OP)
Flat out admitting it here, too.
randomcanyon@reddit
About $50,000 too far. But what do I know.
Vimes-NW@reddit
I bought a Range Rover for less. Fucking RANGE ROVER. Think about that
7eregrine@reddit (OP)
Gets a $7,000 price cut... Now STARTS at $87k. 😂
Vimes-NW@reddit
Probably includes Compass for the life of the vehicle. Since you'll be driving it more than Wagoneer
DaRiddler70@reddit
First of all, They came up with stupid naming. Grand should be the length, not a trim. Srcond, One year after the Jeep, a more basic Dodge version should have come out.
Same with the Grand Cherokee and Durango. They had the chance to bring down their unit cost for chassis development, but didn't. The Escalade would not survive without the Tahoe/Suburban.
Same with the Gladiator and a Ram Dakota.
But, what do they do....they kill off the Cherokee and then put out the Dodge Hornet. Hahaha. Yeah....idiots.
7eregrine@reddit (OP)
Never understood getting rid of the Cherokee.
ANYTHING_WITH_WHEELS@reddit
The 3rd, 4th, and 5th Gen Cherokee were all disgraceful to the Jeep brand.
Seems like any good Jeep product that old Chrysler could have potentially engineered and manufactured would have taken away from their cash cow… the wangler.. and they were against that.
The Cherokee should have a been a square body bare bones version the grand Cherokee.
7eregrine@reddit (OP)
I don't totally disagree, but regardless how you feel about it, it was popular. That's why I don't understand.
Drzhivago138@reddit
On the original Wagoneer, Grand meant the trim level. I think only in the case of the minivans did Grand get the meaning of LWB.
AdvancedGuarantee593@reddit
If they did something cool no one would complain. 100k for a family SUV that doesn’t impress or turn heads….
Something like this on the other hand…
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1991-jeep-grand-wagoneer-108/
MinecraftSteeve@reddit
I drove one grand wagoneer and it sucked. Cameras were blurry, interior didn't feel premium at all, some of the electronics stopped working in the short period I drove it. If I could get a Merc GLS or BMW X5/7 or an Escalade for the same price idk who in their mind would get a jeep
UGMadness@reddit
I think people are sleeping on the Lincoln Navigator too. Among the best interiors in an American car I’ve seen.
turboash78@reddit
LOL no shit. Also trying to charge 80 grand for a bloody Gladiator is legit psychotic.
UGMadness@reddit
They’re listed at almost €90k in Europe. Never seen one on the road.
Green_1010@reddit
Yeah man, they got real greedy. Now they will face the consequences
Tony-cums@reddit
My wife wanted a Wagoneer. We found a demo with 3k on it for under 70k. MSRP was 84k.
The price is the ONLY reason we bought. I’d never pay more and felt a little disgusted even going that high on a jeep.
With that said - it’s been flawless and we got 24 mpg on the highway coming back from vacation.
I’d never daily something that big. She loves it.
Lamborghini4616@reddit
Still insane price absolutely not worth it
Tony-cums@reddit
That’s your opinion.
It’s worth it to her. Anything but like that is gonna cost money.
Lamborghini4616@reddit
Whatever you gotta tell yourself to justify an idiotic purchase bro
Tony-cums@reddit
It’s ok if you don’t have the money.
GroovinJaxx22L@reddit
100k+ for a BMW, Rover, Merc, Porsche...and Jeeeeeeep? Righty-o smartest move of all time.
Traditional_Tax6469@reddit
I would buy it if it didn’t breakdown after a week…ridiculous
V48runner@reddit
It's a shoddy Suburban that looks like it's on stilts.
Higher_Math@reddit
After the UAW contract what do you expect?
Energy4Days@reddit
The Rivian R1 looks more like a Wagoneer than the Wagoneer
Batman413@reddit
Lmaooooooooo so they purposely overcharged? Who’s paying 100k for that big back junk
STMIHA@reddit
No reason why it’s not priced with gm and ford counter parts. They openly said they were shooting for land/range rover and failed miserably. At least when a LR/RR breaks down you get a decent service experience.
BourbonTater_est2021@reddit
I leased my 2019 Jeep Cherokee, and then the world stopped during COVID; plus, I received a company car for work. At the end of a 39-month lease, the Cherokee had 15,000 miles and still had a faint brand-new car smell. Seeing that I had a solid amount of equity in the vehicle, I went to Jeep looking to trade it in for a new lease on a ‘22 Grand Cherokee L. The numbers I was quoted for a LEASE were ridiculous. In addition to my Jeep’s equity, plus a down payment, the cheapest they could get me was $600 a month - the highest was $800. Needless to say, I bought my Jeep out. That's when I realized Jeep lost their damn minds. In addition to the $90,000 Wagoneer. $800/month lease for Grand Cherokee - the fuck outta here.
dralex11266@reddit
For penance they should discount these cars to at least 40K
SSG_Vegeta@reddit
Jeep in general is way overpriced, that’s without factoring the lackluster quality.
Had to get a work vehicle, all within the same range:
24 Traverse LT 24 Blazer RS 24 Pathfinder SL 24 Cherokee Laredo
You couldn’t find one, singular reason, to even remotely consider the Jeep. I test drove it, compared the features (without factoring quality due to maintenance by contract).
Lackluster electronics, somehow the worst ride of the choices, super cheap interior.
Surprisingly, the Traverse won me over. But the Jeep was what my first interest was and it was so badly out specced that I can’t believe they’ve moved a single unit at this point.
notsoentertained@reddit
That's a weird way of saying we made an ugly pile of shit.
themza912@reddit
I saw one in person and I was like, you know they look pretty good. Went to price one on the website and I was like LOL see ya.
Fiss@reddit
I’m surprised they sold any at the pricing they were at. Just so many better options. What idiot legit bought these new thinking it was going to be a good car?
NoCaliBurritosInMD@reddit
You don't say...
Designfanatic88@reddit
I didn’t know people bought those trash buckets.
this_dudeagain@reddit
They have great rust protection from all the oil leaks.
jmardoxie@reddit
I saw one at the car show in Miami for 120k. It wasn’t their top model.
Kooky-Cupcake-4621@reddit
Plenty of Wagoneer in Vegas. Most have white exterior.
Mav_mav_go@reddit
Whole lineup is expensive. If wrangler (automatic) 2 door started at $27,995 and 4 door at $29,995 it would sell like crazy ! Base models of course, charge a premium for packages but those proces would be a start. Current pricing is crazy !
Sprinklypoo@reddit
I think a lot of people who move to Colorado just immediately get a Jeep under the assumption that it's the best thing for snow and ice.
I know at least 3 different people who have done so...
daniel22457@reddit
Then they get off-road tires for them and wonder why they're absolute garbage in the snow.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
I'd personally go with something that has AWD.
natesully33@reddit
Some Wranglers come with 4HI auto (aka rear biased slip-n-grip AWD) now which is pretty sweet in bad weather. But yeah Trucks and SUVs are overkill for snow and ice, a Subaru (or similar) is fine and a better street car. AWD BEVs are amazing on ice too, from experience.
p8vmnt@reddit
I wouldn’t even spend 50k on that. Sat in one and it felt so cheap
Patruck9@reddit
My brother before he went to Korea and Iraq bought a 2006 Wrangler Rubicon ($27k) I thought that was insane pricing then. But he was that military guy and no Hellcats existed yet..
I got to drive it though and I was 17, so I was the kid showing up to high school in a lifted new Jeep it to give it miles. /bad brag story.
I just know now they are about 50k and it is NOT worth it. No Jeep is.
mwhyes@reddit
Economy bad? Need bailout we suffer! Economy good? Take it or leave it we’re raising prices tomorrow.
Mackinnon29E@reddit
"Jeep admits they could sell the Wagoneer for half the price and still make a profit, you fucking idiots"
Kev50027@reddit
Imagine spending 6 figures on something from the least reliable auto manufacturer. You could hear the car depreciating from Saturn.
Impressive-Potato@reddit
Yet... People still bought it.
Kev50027@reddit
... And are now broken down on the side of the road with something that already lost $30k of value.
Lemazze@reddit
Also.
It’s a total POS.
If you have to disassemble the whole cabin to do routine maintenance on the AC it’s just bad engineering
linoleumknife@reddit
I know 2 people who bought them new, and neither have them anymore.
The first had electrical gremlins constantly, it was at the dealer more than at home. After 7 months she traded it in for an Escalade.
The second had it for right about a year and had 10K miles on it. She already had to send it to the dealer a few times for various issues, but about 6-8 weeks ago she was at a stoplight and the transmission went boom. Got the dealer to replace it under warranty, sold it, and got a new Bronco.
Lemazze@reddit
It’s a hunk of shit
narwhal_breeder@reddit
I replaced the blower motor in my W212. Two bolts. 15 minutes. Amazing.
Lemazze@reddit
When cars were built by engineers and not bean counters.
Never forget what they took from us
quattrophile@reddit
The literal only one of these I've seen that hasn't been at a dealership was the fully loaded one the then-new CEO of my old job bought to "fit in" more with 'the average worker' after all the sideways looks he got on his first day when his driver dropped him off in a Cullinan.
Somehow he thought it'd be less unseemly to the people making $10-20/hour to see his driver drop him off in a Grand Wagoneer every morning, I guess.
hateriffic@reddit
I have a theory that between Stellantis(Dodge), Budweiser and Harley Davidson and several other large company's that are uniquely American brands with euro management, were set on a course to intentionally damage the brands.
F it up, drive it into the ground then leave.
7eregrine@reddit (OP)
🤔
StonerMetalhead710@reddit
When you can get a 2 year old GLS 63 S and get more luxury, much more power and the AMG name for the same money, I agree
Mikeg216@reddit
It should have competed with the Tahoe and suburban on price. Not the Escalade
GettCouped@reddit
Why would anyone buy this when you can get an Escalade?
s2kfan@reddit
They’re junk
Michaelmac8@reddit
Now do the wrangler
04limited@reddit
Should’ve just offered the Wagoneer and forgot the whole upscale Grand Wagoneer model. The two models are too similar. They must’ve thought the Grand Wagoneer name carried the same weight as Maybach.
Jimmytootwo@reddit
These trucks are overpriced by larger words than "too far".
Its a 50K truck at best
cubs223425@reddit
That's kind of Jeep as a whole, IMO. I know family who crossed off Jeeps from their shopping list because they don't want to pay luxury brand prices for Stellantis products
C0git0@reddit
They’ve also gotten hammered in reviews. PR just trying to redirect to the pricing being what’s wrong.
Mike15321@reddit
I remember being blown away by Wagoneer and especially Grand Wagoneer prices when they first came out. Feel like there are much better options in the big SUV market. Like, give me an X5 any day. Or even an Escalade if you're set on American.
Drzhivago138@reddit
An X5 isn't nearly as big. Even the X7 is smaller than a Wagoneer or Escalade.
HarobmbeGronkowski@reddit
No new Jeep is going "too far" when they break down all the time
Agitated-Wrangler-34@reddit
Wrangler has priced themselves out of the market as well.
purplebrown_updown@reddit
They knew it was too far. They just wanted to see if they could milk more money out of the customers. That's what all these companies are trying to do.
JordanRunsForFun@reddit
here in Canada, the Grand Wagoneer compete on price with the BMW X7… Who the heck would … wtf.
Helpful_Umpire_9049@reddit
Did they make it reasonably priced? You know my gas car is still running fine and paid off.
anomalous_cowherd@reddit
They've simply overachieved, they niw do hardly any cars that the market wants!
MechMeister@reddit
2022 called and wants its news back. few years too late, stellantis.
CombinationBitter889@reddit
Did they admit not going far enough with the quality standards?
Keyboard-Fedaykin@reddit
A sucker is born every day. I'm sure a few people in this room feel REAL dumb.
mvrk10256@reddit
We had two of them as rentals in Jackson Hole last year. Worked great in the snow hauling people and ski gear around.
Gotta give it to them - for $45/day with Executive Emerald Aisle its a great rental.
saturnuranusmars@reddit
I always thought these were 50k max
BloodDK22@reddit
Jeep. LOL. At $50K, the Wagoneer is still a rip off. Jeep. Just NO!
Mveli2pac@reddit
You don't say?
I have been asking the question the past couple of years, when did Jeep become a luxury brand? I think Stellantis was the only one to think Jeep was.
DangerousAd1731@reddit
Crazy
Figgler@reddit
They’ve definitely priced me out of buying a new Jeep, even ignoring the reliability concerns.
scroopydog@reddit
To be fair, I’ve been priced out of buying any new car really. My household was buying new cars pretty consistently about 10 years ago. 2015 Golf R, 2016 Buick Cascada, Audi 2018 SQ5, 2020 Tacoma. Only have the SQ5 left and I’ll probably keep that for a while. Been buying used since. 2007 4Runner in 2022 and a 2016 Sprinter last week. 1999 VW Polo for fun last year.
Our income has gone up, there’s just no value proposition any longer in new cars. Four car garage full up, Sprinter sits in the driveway.
4score-7@reddit
Things I've gotten priced out of, even as my own income has grown:
Home ownership (did it for 17 years, meh, take it or leave it)
The US stock market (I work in it, and I own what I own, but I dump precious little of nothing into today's "hot stock")
Going to the dentist (insurance covers less and less, services more expensive than ever)
Alabama football games (the CrimsonTide wasn't as good this year, but getting into Bryant Denny with the entirety of Instagram has gotten out of control anyway)
Dining out at sit down restaurants (lots to say on this, but I don't miss it too much anyway).
undockeddock@reddit
At least beer is still cheap
Darkhoof@reddit
Don't give them ideas.
Drzhivago138@reddit
Cheapish. I remember when a 24 of tall boys could be had for under $20.
4score-7@reddit
Busch Light for the win!🤮
Viperlite@reddit
Even used versions of overly expensive new cars aren’t really a value equation anymore. I’ve been buying older used cars myself, but lately not even those so much.
d4rkha1f@reddit
I wrecked my wife's 2016 Grand Cherokee and when we went to buy her a new one, I realized Jeep was now trying to compete with the likes of BMW and was abandoning the image that the Wrangler built. I took one look at the sticker price and the plastic interior and noped right on out of there, went next door, and got my wife a BMW X5 instead.
ChirpyRaven@reddit
Not just the Wagoneer, ALL of their pricing.
When the JL came out, you could get the 4 door Sahara for $38k. Now that same trim level of the JL is $50k before adding a single option.
Fifty thousand fucking dollars for a mid-trim Wrangler. And it's not some all-new Wrangler, it's the same thing they've trotted out for the last 7 years.
Who the fuck is buying this?
7eregrine@reddit (OP)
Nothing but bad decisions by this brand. Can't believe they killed the Cherokee.. the one jeep that I used to see everyone driving.
Shmokesshweed@reddit
38k in Jan 2018 had the equivalent buying power of $48,400 in Dec 2024.
It's not that cars are expensive; it's that inflation has destroyed purchasing power for the middle class.
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dang_it_bobby93@reddit
With all the news lately either Stelantis US operations are gasping for their last breath or they're potentially heading for a turn around. We'll see which one. I for one am rooting for the brands to turn around. Having more US based competition to Ford and Chevy is great for us.
JGratsch@reddit
It would be nice for GM to follow suit for truck prices.
graceparagonique2024@reddit
If I'm spending $100k I'm buying a Lexus
daxelkurtz@reddit
"Going far" is not the Wagoneer's strong suit.
permareddit@reddit
Fuck right off you assholes.
Sorry to the dummies who were gullible enough to drop $110k CAD on these things.
SageDub@reddit
No one pays msrp for Jeep dodge ram fiat products. That’s why they’re all discounted to what they should be via dealer discounts or rebates. Also negotiate more off the price posted. You’d be surprised how easy they are to work with outside of their “special” cars; i.e 392 Scatpack, Hellcat, 300C, TRX, etc.
WrongdoerSoggy4422@reddit
Had a wagoneer as a rental. It was fine. It was big. It carried stuff. If a base honda pilot is 40k, i could see the wagoneer being 50k based on its larger size and towing ability. But 80k? Lol sorry no.
Scorpion_Danny@reddit
No shit. When I saw the direction they were heading, I was like, these fuckers think they are a luxury brand. It’s a fucking Jeep.
WaylonandWillie@reddit
A lot of admitting going on right now.
dchap1@reddit
We priced it too high, customers got upset, so we’re lowing it $3,000, that should fix it, right?
ChristAboveAllOthers@reddit
They went too far in all of their pricing
TheHeatWaver@reddit
I’ve seen a few of these around town and it looks like they stopped designing it 3/4 of the way and just gave up on the back. It looks awful.
toomuchwombat@reddit
Expensive and ugly. Bad combination. I mean it works for BMW, but Jeep isn't BMW.
LifeRound2@reddit
Too far on pricing, not far enough on quality control.
joe_schmo54@reddit
I personally like it but since Jeep says this I would never buy it
kon---@reddit
But did they mention the premium being passed to the customer?
Did anyone ask the margin?
12xubywire@reddit
They should have used the name to make a retro kinda suv, give the waggy a challenger treatment.
Instead they made a bigger grand Cherokee and asked stupid money.
Drzhivago138@reddit
There are some styling bits on the Wag that call back to the SJ model. But they could have done more.
Wise-Chef-8613@reddit
A trim package that almost doubles the price of a Dodge Durango.
I'm old enough to remember the Ford Granada / Lincoln Versailles fiasco
Titan0917@reddit
The Wagoneer has nothing to do with a Dodge Durango. The Durango is a crossover that was sharing a platform with the last generation of Grand Cherokee. The Wagoneer is a body on frame SUV that is based on the Ram 1500
Drzhivago138@reddit
The Wagoneer is related to the Ram, not the Durango.
Montreal4life@reddit
what do you mean? its body on frame?
Drzhivago138@reddit
Yes, the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer is BOF. The smaller Grand Cherokee is unibody, as is the confusingly named Wagoneer S.
Montreal4life@reddit
oh damn I thought the wagonner/grand wagoneer were unibody.
Drzhivago138@reddit
If they were, they'd be some of the biggest unibody vehicles ever made.
Wise-Chef-8613@reddit
Are you looking st the same photo I'm looking at? Which Ram model is an SUV?
Drzhivago138@reddit
It's related to the Ram pickup. Many (probably most) BOF SUVs are related to a pickup.
Previously the Grand Cherokee was related to the Durango (and the Mercedes GLE and GLS), but it's since moved to another platform.
NotASwinger69@reddit
The Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer is sitting on the Rams frame is what he is saying.
4score-7@reddit
I've seen plenty of them on the roads. Seems like no price is too high to be that "first" one of anything on the block.
MadFlava854@reddit
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LC-Dookmarriot@reddit
Surely the $70k electric Wagoneer S will do better /s
Weak-Specific-6599@reddit
I really like the look and think the form factor would fit my family of 5’s needs well. We currently have an Atlas SEL-P we paid only 20k for (had lot of highway mileage), and that is great but if it were a little bigger like the GW, I’d not be crying too much. The space is really nice to have for the young kids, their bulky car seats and the inevitable large pile of stuff they have to bring with them on long trips (including the kitchen sink my wife brings for the infant).
dream__weaver@reddit
Wow a $100k SUV from the company with one of the worst quality/reliability ratings. You're saying people aren't lining up to buy it????
haven603@reddit
God I love making fun of grand wagoneers when I see them in real life, genuinely one of the worst cars you could purchase for $115,000
DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit
Next will be Infiniti admitting that they priced the QX80 too high with a price range of $85k-$113k.
Funny_Frame1140@reddit
They are only saying this because they realized nobody would buy it. They reap what they sow
Atrampoline@reddit
My father in law has one. It's super comfortable and nice to drive, but in no way would I ever pay more than 50-60k for it.
NFA_Cessna_LS3@reddit
"hey this $38k Jeep used to cost ten miiiiiiiiilion dollars but now we're going to do the right thing and only charge $90k"
gtfo. Jeep is literally for BDSM fans; pay a premium for more than the normal amount of problems.