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zeehkaev@reddit

Luigi for example, which I believe is one of the reasons they are writing this, would have no problem passing this background check. So I am don't think this is useful at all.

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and NYC had already made 3d printed guns illegal before Luigi... This isn't really going to change anything. Either a person just travels out of state to buy their 3d printer or just skips all that and buys a gun directly.

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Grexxoil@reddit

Thinking about it, this (making 3d printed guns illegal) is less stupid than it sounds.

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lordderplythethird@reddit

it's insanely stupid.

some 2020 extrusion rails - $35
some Nema 17 motors and the stepper controller board - $62
hotend assembly - $16
heated bed - $26
some rollers - $10

Congrats, you just built a 3d printer from scratch with no serial number. I quite literally just built a Voron from scratch myself, so...

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troublesome58@reddit

I want you on my team when the apocalypse arrives.

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acu2005@reddit

Luigi probably pushed the bill back into the state assembly but this exact bill has been proposed before.

Here's the exact same bill from two years ago.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2023/A8132

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FreeJunkMonk@reddit

If you're going to murder someone why would you even care if you break the law to get the firearm

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fartg0blin@reddit

Making it illegal is more about making it difficult to get your hands on one even if you do want to kill someone.

For example, if I were in the market for purchasing some super illegal drug or weapon, I wouldn't really even know who to ask. I'm sure some people may have contacts or connections with people who can help, but I think a good chunk of the population doesn't have anybody they can turn to for this type of stuff.

It works reasonably well as long as there isn't a huge legal supply of whatever is supposed to be restricted (ex: guns/prescription drugs in the US) since in that case most people do know someone they can either steal from or ask to buy from illegally.

For the record, I ultimately disagree with this line of thinking, but I understand why people think this way.

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EJX-a@reddit

How are they gonna enforce this?

I didn't buy my printer, i bought parts that make a printer...

There are parts in a gun, that are only made for guns, and thus you have to do a background check to buy those part. There are no parts in a 3d printer that are not basic manufacturing components in many other machines.

You could look at my shopping cart and reasonably assume im building a 3d printer. But i could also very easily argue im building a vinyl cutter, an injection molding machine, a circuit printer, a router, any number of arduino devices, or spare parts for multiple different machines.

MAYBE, you could say hot ends or nozzles. But even they have uses outside of 3d printing.

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Sintek@reddit

This is dumb, and people really think you can 3d print a gun.. WTF, you can print a HANDLE for a gun, you can print facia for a gun, but you need METAL GUN part for the GUN to WORK. like a plastic 3d printed barrel is not gonna work, or a 3d print strike hammer is NOT gonna work, a 3d printed barrel chamber is not gonna work. it will all blow up with the first bullet firte and the bullet will have the power of a nerf gun.

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BilboBaggSkin@reddit

Yeah if they weren’t stupid and were really worried about it the part that was considered the firearm would be whatever has to contained the pressure and not the receiver.

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Zone15@reddit

Funny enough, most of these 3d printed guns are perfectly legal. By federal law, you can legally make your own firearm as long as it is not for sale or distribution. Now I'm sure it's illegal in certain states, but in a vast majority of the states and at the federal level, it's perfectly legal.

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BilboBaggSkin@reddit

Yeah it’s similar in Canada. Doesn’t stop journalists from putting misinformation in articles though. The whole ghost gun thing is ridiculous

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MrByteMe@reddit

A good example of our political leaders being out-of-touch with the current state of technology.

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ThatSandwich@reddit

You can make a gun with pretty standard home improvement supplies and hand tools. It won't be a good gun, but it will get the job done.

Really has nothing to do with current technology, this problem has existed for a long time. Even recently, Japan's PM was assassinated with a makeshift weapon that used no 3d printed parts.

I think Switzerland's gun ownership/death rate proves that accessibility is not the real problem here and never will be. It's education, training and accountability.

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No_Sheepherder_1855@reddit

Culture and collective mental health too. The ar15 has been around since 1957 but it’s only in the last decade or two that its suddenly become so dangerous.

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mildlyornery@reddit

I would argue that pricing was the biggest issue holding back the AR15 specifically.

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specter800@reddit

SMGs and M1 Carbines were brought back in huge quantities from WWII; you could have "burp guns" (what they called SMGs back then) mail ordered straight to your door for like $10-$20.

People just really didn't feel like slaughtering countrymen or children before even if the means were available.

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lordderplythethird@reddit

24/7 news wouldn't make them and their mental illness a international star back then either.

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inaccurateTempedesc@reddit

My teacher in high school mentioned how his dad who served in WWII had a tommy gun made from spare parts that were lying around.

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mildlyornery@reddit

I mean specifically the AR-15 pattern rifles became more prominent once they were no longer priced significantly higher than comparable firearms.

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myfakesecretaccount@reddit

I have to take my car to have it smogged like every other goddamn year. I think if you want to own dozens of guns you should be required to take them for inspection, verification of serial number, and to prove they aren’t heavily modified every other year.

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FreeJunkMonk@reddit

Why stop at guns, make people have all of their possessions assessed by the government.
And to make the process efficient, have cameras installed in everyone's homes so that the government can inspect everything constantly.

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myfakesecretaccount@reddit

Except my refrigerator isn’t going to be sold privately and then used in the commission of a crime. I believe in gun ownership as a right but for fucks sake why do you all fight against common sense legislation like this? Do you think the government is really going to come for you? And if they did is your assortment of hunting rifles really going to save you?

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FreeJunkMonk@reddit

common sense legislation like this

There's nothing "common sense" about the government restricting things that are rights created by the constitution.

Do you think the government is really going to come for you?

Yes, that's why they want to create these laws.

And if they did is your assortment of hunting rifles really going to save you?

The US government just lost a two decades long war against illiterate Islamists with AKs and fertiliser bombs, and before that they lost against the Vietcong

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PaulTheMerc@reddit

but your instant pot has been used to commit a bombing, so we should check that, right?

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COMPUTER1313@reddit

You can make a gun with pretty standard home improvement supplies and hand tools. It won't be a good gun, but it will get the job done.

There was a bloke in the UK in the 1980's or so that did exactly that. I think it even had full auto capability for a gun hammered out in a shed using standard store parts.

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LarsAlereon@reddit

Everyone's freaking out about 3D printed guns but no one is talking about what cheap Chinese CNC machines are making possible in home machine shops.

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ThatSandwich@reddit

I'd argue a lathe is just as dangerous.

A few holes, some threads and a little rifling is all you need. Probably takes less time to make than assembling a 3d printer would.

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royal_steed@reddit

Wait till Origami Guns become a thing.

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Lee1138@reddit

80 percent lower and a drill press and you have a ghost gun... All the other parts are legally not a gun, so readily purchaseble?

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ThatSandwich@reddit

Yeah, I guess I was trying to make a point that even if parts other than the receiver were not readily available (such as in Japan) then a ghost gun could still be created for a price that would not be considered an insurmountable barrier for most individuals.

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Decent-Reach-9831@reddit

You don't even need the rifling really for an improvised weapon, but there are cheap and easy ways to get that done too

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ThatSandwich@reddit

Yeah I saw one method where instead of milling the rifling, you actually insert an offset-rolled up piece of metal that is slightly smaller width wise than the circumference of the barrel.

Because the metal is too small for the edges to kiss and make a perfect sleeve when inserted, there will be a gap which can be twisted to give it some very basic rifling.

I think I learned this from Mythbusters, but it could have been something else.

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Decent-Reach-9831@reddit

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/03/02/diy-barrel-rifling-using-salt-water-electricity-3d-printed-jig/

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LarsAlereon@reddit

Yeah I would say it's always been possible to make a firearm in a well-equipped home machine shop, but you needed to actually know how to use your tools. Cheap CNC can lower the barrier to entry substantially while producing durable, functional parts.

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ThatSandwich@reddit

I'm personally not sure if using CAD and a CNC would be easier than learning some basic lathe skills from someone with experience.

I'd argue more people have adequate background knowledge to scrape away spinning metal than to do computer assisted design work or setup, load and run a CNC. You could have a functional example same day as install with a lathe, with a CNC you're looking at a few days most likely.

Either way both are an extremely good examples of how accessibility is not the problem.

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GenericUser1983@reddit

Good old diesel fuel + ammonium nitrate fertilizer are also trivial to get a hold of. So are rental trucks.

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Decent-Reach-9831@reddit

If you buy in large quantities you'll get flagged

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Melbuf@reddit

good ole CFATS

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Cjprice9@reddit

Making ammonium nitrate yourself isn't terribly difficult

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Site-Staff@reddit

Shhhh. Dont let them know.

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MrByteMe@reddit

Wait until you need to pass a background check to buy plumbing supplies at the local hardware store lol...

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gatornatortater@reddit

and butter knives.....

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lusuroculadestec@reddit

It wouldn't surprise me if we end up in a world where there are stricter controls on pipes than there are on guns.

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lusuroculadestec@reddit

I remember seeing a blog post where someone made the lower receiver of an AK47 from a shovel.

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ThatSandwich@reddit

https://hackaday.com/2012/11/25/beating-a-plowshare-into-an-ak-47/

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FreeJunkMonk@reddit

Or the constitution, there shouldn't be any restrictions on firearms ownership at all.

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havoc1428@reddit

For real. You don't need a 3rd printer. Any one who is a machinist by trade or hobby can also do it. The most famous names in firearms manufacturing started from their namesakes essentially tinkering in a garage. Are you gonna do background checks on every person that gets a lathe and drill press?

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conquer69@reddit

Why? It's easier, cheaper and faster to buy a gun from a criminal. Just because Luigi had an interest in 3d printing doesn't mean you have to ban it lol.

The lengths they will go when one of the rich gets killed by thousands of poors killed by other means doesn't even register.

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lordderplythethird@reddit

Luigi would have also passed this proposed background check so lol

Next they're going to require background checks to go the the plumbing section of Home Depot or Lowes

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gatornatortater@reddit

Not surprisingly.. it was already illegal in NYC to 3d print guns.

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Nicholas-Steel@reddit

Maybe also do background checks on anyone buying a gun...

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clockercountwise333@reddit

tell me you don't know how hard it is to get a gun in in new york without telling me you don't know how hard it is to get a gun in in new york

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Kiowascout@reddit

New York, California, and Michigan are total Orwellian nightmares.

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Tech_Philosophy@reddit

Eh, a teen just died in Texas of sepsis because doctors wouldn't remove her nonviable pregnancy.

I don't think we should be throwing stones at states that are at least not barbaric in nature.

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Kiowascout@reddit

show us all on the doll where your feelings were inappropriately touched.

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Tech_Philosophy@reddit

Yeah no, all I'm saying is we can't really call out some states for being Orwellian nightmares and not others, particularly the ones that are actually killing people for literally no reason.

I didn't expect that to generate any kind of emotional reaction.

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kondec@reddit

imo this thread is too politically fuelled for r/hardware. The sub is great but a lot of users' political takes are quite astounding to put it politely. And I'm not talking about you :)

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YashaAstora@reddit

Very unsurprised a person who posts in both military and covid denialists subreddits thinks this.

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Kiowascout@reddit

Apparently, I touched a nerve inside of you that you would take the time to investigate me in some vain attempt to shame or diminish my opinion. How about you just go fuck right off and get back to our libtard circle jerk.

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Site-Staff@reddit

You can pry my Elegoo out of my cold dead hands.

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chiraltoad@reddit

2nd Amendfilament

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gahlo@reddit

Funny how the use of a ghost gun in a shooting of somebody "important" brings ire to the methods of production and trying to clamp down on it. However, the same oversight isn't proposed to gun manufacturers when hundreds of kids die in school shootings every year.

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gatornatortater@reddit

NYC has been cracking down on FOSSCAD for years now. It was already illegal to 3d print firearms. The only change is they're trying to make it harder to buy the 3d printer while inside the city. It doesn't change the fact that it will still be illegal in NYC to 3d print firearm parts and that they will use it as an excuse to bust down your door and shoot your dog if you live in that crazy place.

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kondec@reddit

I still think it's quite ironic that they're trying to clamp down the manufacturing process without doing anything about the issue itself.

The elephant in the room is just gigantic, even in this thread.

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gahlo@reddit

Yeah, that's why I specified the method of production, as in targeting 3D printing in general beyond the existing illegality of creating a ghost gun.

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ImBadAtJumping@reddit

This reminds me of soviet era USSR, you weren't allowed to own any photocopy machine, and those you could use were state controlled

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NonamePlsIgnore@reddit

All this will do is cause small manufacturers / shops which use 3D printers to move their operations out of state

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INITMalcanis@reddit

What about background checks for anyone writing a newspaper article?

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mrandish@reddit

Should middle-school civics tests and basic IQ tests too.

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warenb@reddit

https://www.kosu.org/local-news/2024-01-19/oklahoma-state-senator-authors-bill-to-limit-freedom-of-the-press

Like this?

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Tech_Philosophy@reddit

That already happens. If you are not loyal to the American oligarchy, you don't get work at the newspaper. That's WHY articles are the way they are in the first place.

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liliputwarrior@reddit

Or background checks for anyone writing an article about background checks

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rocketjetz@reddit

Or a background check for politicians that propose stupid laws?

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INITMalcanis@reddit

That's terrorist talk!

Debate and/or Discourse

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the_nin_collector@reddit

Why? I assume this is because of Luigi?

And if we did the most extensive background check in the USA on him. What would the results be? No criminal record. Good student. All around pretty much a perfect American.

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SubtleAesthetics@reddit

Computers used to type articles can create incredibly powerful malware, better add background checks for Microcenter!

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DiurMulapu@reddit

I support common sense Graphics Card Control.

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gatornatortater@reddit

and all the smartphone sellers

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Tiffany-X@reddit

ITS THE PRINTERS FAULT.

Ignore all other possible reasons.

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SatoshisBits@reddit

This proposal has been sponsored by the association of health insurance companies

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danlab09@reddit

Why? You’re just gonna have someone out of state 3d print a ghost printer, that they’ll then import into NY

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NotNewNotOld1@reddit

Roadblocks still help prevent them.

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Equivalent-Bet-8771@reddit

You wouldn't 3d print a 3d printer to 3d print 3d printers?

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Horse_Renoir@reddit

You're right, I wouldn't. Sounds way too expensive. At that point I'ma just smuggle one in the old fashioned way.

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Equivalent-Bet-8771@reddit

Prison pocket?

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notjordansime@reddit

This was the whole idea behind the reprap project, and how Prusa operates. 3D printers 3D printing 3D printers :D

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danlab09@reddit

Hm. Probably wouldn’t. Seems to be one too many 3ds

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jnf005@reddit

Luckily Nintendo has stopped production so the ammount of 3ds in the world won't go up anymore./s

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greyfade@reddit

Literally reprap

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M4ng03z@reddit

Lol we've come full circle on reprap

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dern_the_hermit@reddit

Presumably that would make it a Federal crime which could help with blame-shifting I guess?

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DenuvoCanSuckMahDick@reddit

Background checks for people buying knives and cutlery next. I'mma start serving meat barehanded.

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gandalf_sucks@reddit

That's stupid. There are a million 3D printing services. You can split up your design and get shit printed across 5 services from 5 different countries.

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toadx60@reddit

The simplest improvised shotgun can be made with metal pipes. Should we do back ground checks on pipes?? If you have the money you can even go beyond that and start on machining courses. Do we now have to background check every machine shop employee and owner now? Seems like a waste of money and overall dumb idea

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ob_knoxious@reddit

Headlines make this seem further along than this is.

A senator has introduced a bill for this. They introduced a bill in 2023 for this and it was voted down then. It will almost certainly reach the same fate.

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