Suddenly curious what would happen to a floppy sitting on top of a CRT being degaussed.
I never really thought about it until now, you'd think that would be a bad thing. But I'm sure myself and many other's had floppies randomly sitting on their monitor at one point, thinking nothing of it. So I guess it's probably fine short of shocking the disk against the glass and hitting the degauss button?
Perhaps it's faster to just read/copy the installation files first than to read/extract from the slow floppy drive? Also makes a backup of the installation files on c:.
If you want to demonstrate how difficult it was, include editing config.sys, making sure your sound card was working properly with no address, DMA, or IRQ conflicts. Repeat that with NIC if you wanted to play multiplayer, plus loading IPX and ODI drivers just for local play, then getting Kali working for online play over TCP/IP. Probably fiddling with EMM, too …
… and sorry if I made a ton of mistakes there; it was over 30 years ago.
I think much of that could be reasonably summarized by "building or upgrading a '90s PC". If you were to buy a PC from your local PC-builder, or buy a big-box-store PC - all of the resource management would have been worked out for you. I used to give out a post-card sized, laminated card to all of my customers which contained all of the settings necessary for them. It would say things like "Sound: Sound Blaster 16, DMA 1, IO 220, IRQ 5. Video: Super VGA (SVGA).
IPX / TCP/IP of that era, though? Yes, absolutely - that was always a rotten pain in the ass. LAN parties were reliably 1/3 troubleshooting...
Why would anybody xcopy the install files onto c:? This a long and roundabout way to perform an install.
I was wondering that too. That wouldn't even install the game. You'd just have a copy of the compressed install files now on the C: (which he only did for 1 of the 2 disks) completely unnecessary to play the game.
"How we did it in 1993" my ass.
This was so painful to watch because he's clearly doing more than was necessary just to make a show of "how bad things used to be".
You didn't even have to "know" or "figure out" a lot of this stuff.
Notice; it tells you how to install the game right on the disk. He didn't do that.
Fair point, though the vid shows him installing it, so the assumption is that since it was just installed there is no prior configuration saved and this is the first time he's setting it up.
Oh yeah, Doom had it's own separate config setup, you're right! I think my mind blanked out the bad stuff, like sound cards that don't have the jumper setting info silkscreen onto the card itself.
Wow, I sure miss the simplicity of the old days. Code "Just worked", no updates every other day, had to go to Best Buy, or some other computer store to buy your games - not having 200 games at your fingertips that you will never play.
Games were much MUCH more reasonably priced :-D . And you had to finish a game and wait with baited hands to get the next release.
Era was much more social back then too... Although, I do wish LCDs/OLEDs were around back then - those Viewsonic monitors were no joke. Although, were were in much better shape too ;).
doom 1 & 2 ran with 4mb, but you had to F5 boot to skip config.sys & autoexec.bat, otherwise the stuff they loaded would take too much ram.
There was a racing game I had back then (1994) from Papyrus I think, that required 6mb. Solution was to load win 3.11 and use 8mb swap file. The game ran absolutely fine in win3.11 full screen dos box.
thaiborg@reddit
Where’s the turbo button on the case??!
ComparisonCheap3964@reddit
Floppy disks love the magnetic fields and the degaussing of older crts! Expert video advice
RaymondDoerr@reddit
Suddenly curious what would happen to a floppy sitting on top of a CRT being degaussed.
I never really thought about it until now, you'd think that would be a bad thing. But I'm sure myself and many other's had floppies randomly sitting on their monitor at one point, thinking nothing of it. So I guess it's probably fine short of shocking the disk against the glass and hitting the degauss button?
moogoothegreat@reddit
None of us knew what DOS4G/W did, but were always happy to see it when loading a new game...
RaymondDoerr@reddit
I'm still not entirely clear on what it is honestly, and I game on my old 486DX running DOS 6.22/Win 3.1 pretty regularly. 😅
thewheelsgoround@reddit
Why would anybody xcopy the install files onto c:? This a long and roundabout way to perform an install.
Realistically, you would: a: (enter) setup (enter)
The installer would prompt you for which directory you wanted to install into.
onefiveonesix@reddit
100%. That vid is definitely not how we were doing it back then lol
RaymondDoerr@reddit
Yesh, this vid is someone karma farming or some kid who objectively wasnt alive yet.
Rementoire@reddit
Perhaps it's faster to just read/copy the installation files first than to read/extract from the slow floppy drive? Also makes a backup of the installation files on c:.
jungleboogiemonster@reddit
This is why.
thickener@reddit
Exactly because buddy wants his floppy back ;-)
mareksoon@reddit
I came here to rage about the same thing … lol
If you want to demonstrate how difficult it was, include editing config.sys, making sure your sound card was working properly with no address, DMA, or IRQ conflicts. Repeat that with NIC if you wanted to play multiplayer, plus loading IPX and ODI drivers just for local play, then getting Kali working for online play over TCP/IP. Probably fiddling with EMM, too …
… and sorry if I made a ton of mistakes there; it was over 30 years ago.
thewheelsgoround@reddit
I think much of that could be reasonably summarized by "building or upgrading a '90s PC". If you were to buy a PC from your local PC-builder, or buy a big-box-store PC - all of the resource management would have been worked out for you. I used to give out a post-card sized, laminated card to all of my customers which contained all of the settings necessary for them. It would say things like "Sound: Sound Blaster 16, DMA 1, IO 220, IRQ 5. Video: Super VGA (SVGA).
IPX / TCP/IP of that era, though? Yes, absolutely - that was always a rotten pain in the ass. LAN parties were reliably 1/3 troubleshooting...
wallace321@reddit
I was wondering that too. That wouldn't even install the game. You'd just have a copy of the compressed install files now on the C: (which he only did for 1 of the 2 disks) completely unnecessary to play the game.
"How we did it in 1993" my ass.
This was so painful to watch because he's clearly doing more than was necessary just to make a show of "how bad things used to be".
You didn't even have to "know" or "figure out" a lot of this stuff.
Notice; it tells you how to install the game right on the disk. He didn't do that.
6502zx81@reddit
Great "low radiation" sticker on the CRT!
ComparisonCheap3964@reddit
Thats what keeps the doom floppy disks safe. #fake
kenef@reddit
My man didn't even spend 5 minutes fiddling with sound card options and IRQ settings in the config utility. I smell fakery! /s
MelAlton@reddit
Well once it's configured you don't need to do it again. It just works, until you add another card with conflicting settings.
kenef@reddit
Fair point, though the vid shows him installing it, so the assumption is that since it was just installed there is no prior configuration saved and this is the first time he's setting it up.
MelAlton@reddit
Oh yeah, Doom had it's own separate config setup, you're right! I think my mind blanked out the bad stuff, like sound cards that don't have the jumper setting info silkscreen onto the card itself.
Tom_Q_Collins@reddit
Came here to say this! No testing every single IRQ to get the audio working? Otherwise, core memory unlocked, hah. Classic DEICE.EXE
Mylo-s@reddit
Yep, where are config.sys and autoexec.bat settings? Enabling himem?
fbman01@reddit
The AMD k6 200 was not out in 1993, that was late 90s
Tommy95_@reddit
The BIOS screenshot @ 0:56 shows copyright date is 1998. So they should change the title to how we did it in 1998. lol
isecore@reddit
And we didn't have computers running Windows 95 obviously. As illustrated by the ~1 folders.
The_Anime_Enthusiast@reddit
I still use those speakers.
Competitive_Pomelo43@reddit
I like that low radiation monitor.
NorthSleepingBear@reddit
This dude still remembers all needed DOS commands???
ApatheistHeretic@reddit
Oof, floppy disk laying up against a CRT...
FrancisJXavyer@reddit
I was just born that March, and I can't believe I had a computer like that in '98. Minus Doom, obviously.
2HDFloppyDisk@reddit
Kids these days just don’t even know the struggles we faced lol
TygerTung@reddit
So much disc swapping on an amiga. Some games had over 10 discs!
n5xjg@reddit
Wow, I sure miss the simplicity of the old days. Code "Just worked", no updates every other day, had to go to Best Buy, or some other computer store to buy your games - not having 200 games at your fingertips that you will never play.
Games were much MUCH more reasonably priced :-D . And you had to finish a game and wait with baited hands to get the next release.
Era was much more social back then too... Although, I do wish LCDs/OLEDs were around back then - those Viewsonic monitors were no joke. Although, were were in much better shape too ;).
TheGillos@reddit
They had patches you could download or send away for in the mail.
But I get your point.
At least prices are low if you want to play old games. I found an e-waste computer, put Windows 7 on it, and it can play loads of retro games
mhd@reddit
I remember getting the version 1.666 update.
sa547ph@reddit
In addition, we used to get our gaming news fix from magazines, what's hot, what's going out, what's being reviewed, and excited for what was to come.
notusuallyhostile@reddit
Not to mention a lot of our magazines came with game disks. Looking at you Simtel!
Stormwatcher33@reddit
lol IRL what would happen is disk 4 of 5 would be corrupt and you'd have to go back to your friend's place and ARJ /a it again
MrByteMe@reddit
I took out a personal loan to buy my first 486 pc - just to play Doom lol.
Fast forward 30 years and people are having a meltdown because Bambu Labs made them press the mouse button 3 more times....
Live-Note-3799@reddit
Best 59 seconds I've spent all day!!!
buffering@reddit
Not pictured: The two hours it took to download Doom at 2400 baud, during which time you couldn't use the computer for anything else.
Andalfe@reddit
Can anyone identify the keeb?
seattlethings86@reddit
Who else unmuted just to enjoy the computer boot and drive read sounds. I miss when my computer made sounds at me..
Super_Stable1193@reddit
Doom1 should run at 4mb ram, i never get this to work.
OpeningLetterhead343@reddit
doom 1 & 2 ran with 4mb, but you had to F5 boot to skip config.sys & autoexec.bat, otherwise the stuff they loaded would take too much ram.
There was a racing game I had back then (1994) from Papyrus I think, that required 6mb. Solution was to load win 3.11 and use 8mb swap file. The game ran absolutely fine in win3.11 full screen dos box.
mrmarbury@reddit
I am still doing it from time to time with one of my 3 retro‘s and it’s the most relaxing thing ever.
dieseljester@reddit
Back I our day we DOSed and we liked it!
Fragrant_Pumpkin_669@reddit
This is recent. 😤
Gutmach1960@reddit
I see nothing wrong with that, it worked !
tchkEn@reddit
Hm, why i thinking that for install Doom needs 10 floppy 💾, not 3?
ThetaReactor@reddit
IIRC, it's 2 for shareware, 4 for the full game.
Tony-Angelino@reddit
I remember and love everything, except for those speakers, they bring me goosebumps.