MMW: Zionism will be looked back upon in this century the same as Nazism was in the last century.

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Not unless its home base is militarily defeated and occupied, its state institutions dismantled, its territorial gains rolled back, and most of its propaganda discredited. These are all things that happened to Nazi Germany. Imagine if those things had not happened to Germany - Nazi Germany would still exist and would still be in control over most if not all of Europe and perhaps parts of Africa and the Middle East and would be dictating the conversation. Nazi Germany would be accepted as a legitimate country just like the United States is accepted as a legitimate country. The people who saw Nazism as evil force would mostly be dead.

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Listen2Wolff@reddit

Israel has been destroyed many times, yet it keeps coming back. It took 2000 years this time, but, here it is.

FWIW: I don't think the Nazis were as defeated as you seem to express here. The reason they arose in West Ukraine was because of US help near the end of WWII when the OSS organized "stay behind" units that would attack Soviet troops. They did this until 1953. There are a lot of Fascists inside the US government. Whether they call themselves Nazis isn't (to me) that important.

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n0ahbody@reddit

You're splitting hairs. You know what I mean by 'Nazi Germany was destroyed and occupied'. Yes, the United States rescued many Nazis and helped them emigrate to the United States and other Western countries. Yes, the United States appointed a Nazi as the first NATO Secretary-General. Yes, the United States incorporated Nazis into its military hierarchy and took on Nazi propaganda and world domination goals for itself. Yes the United States and its NATO allies are backing Nazi Ukraine. But if somebody says "I'm pro-Nazi", people in most of the world will back away. Nazism is frowned upon. It is considered the worst thing ever by most people alive today. Germany is seen as having made a huge mistake and huge ethical and moral errors by being Nazi - that's the point.

Israel has not been destroyed and occupied and discredited in that way, and its power has not been eliminated. It maintains its lobbyists and propagandists in the halls of power in every Western country especially the United States. It is not under sanctions. It still exists, protected by the United States and its allies, free to commit whatever atrocities it wants. Therefore, Zionism will not be looked back upon as the same as Nazism. Nazism is looked at the way it is looked at because Nazi Germany was defeated and destroyed and occupied by its enemies.

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Listen2Wolff@reddit

Well, I guess I don't subscribe to the "tail wags the dog" theory.

So, I don't believe that Israel being totally destroyed will make that much difference in American foreign policy.

I agree that you have to disavow the Nazis (except when you can't like Ukraine)

And I agree that you can't say anything bad about Israel.

But I don't see that it matters.

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PerspectiveFast8769@reddit (OP)

By whom? "... the United States is accepted as a legitimate country..."

The Nations of the World are abandoning the US in many aspects at a very fast pace, BRICS for example. BRICS has 20 member Nations with more Population and GDP then the entire G7 - with many Nations begging to join.

The US dollar will soon not be the only reserve Currency - there is already another by BRICS. The US is on the verge of going into Bankruptcy within 8-10 years. The US is about to stop being a true Democracy as well. Do you see this?

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n0ahbody@reddit

Of course I see that - check out my sub, r/usempire. I get what you're saying. But do you understand what I mean? The US has not been seen or treated as an illegitimate regime for over 200 years. The United States is like a Nazi Germany that won. Nazi Germany was modelled after the United States. It intended to be a continent-wide expansionist empire dominated by one ethnic group. But whereas Nazi Germany was defeated and destroyed, which gave the rest of the world the opportunity to not only not be controlled by it but also to reject its value system, the United States was not. The United States was free to take over as much of the world as it wanted and imbue itself with a sense of legitimacy, which the rest of world has either enthusiastically enabled, willingly accepted, or been forced to accept under duress. Regardless, it has the legitimacy.

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OGmoron@reddit

unless the United States faces the same type of defeat and dismantlement that Nazi Germany faced.

With the path the US seems to be heading down right now, this may very well something I live to see.

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n0ahbody@reddit

You never know. Things are happening fast these days. What's that saying - there are decades when nothing happens, and weeks when decades happen.

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Listen2Wolff@reddit

Not even close. The Zionists have willing hostages called Jews who provide them with the cover of claims of Anti-Semitism. The two YouTube series called "The Lobby", 4 parts each, show this.

Now, there are a few (maybe many) Jews who oppose the Zionists. Blumenthal, Mate, Finkelstein, many, many more. Some are even very vocal about their opposition. However, I wonder why Medea Benjamin is always able to gain access to heckle US government officials. I'm "wondering", I'm not at all trying to insinuate anything by asking the question.

In some ways, I feel like the "rest of us" are confined to the sidelines while the Jewish Oligarchy fights amongst itself. Again, just a "thought" that I'd like to discuss. Maybe the "rest of us" just haven't the will power to stand up?

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