Suggestions for first time firearm owner?
Posted by Zestyclose-Habit-970@reddit | Firearms | View on Reddit | 37 comments
Good morning. Curious to see what type of weapon you all might recommend for a 40 something male who would like to learn how to safely operated a firearm with no prior experience. I live in a “may issue” county in the state I’m in - not sure if that matters. My goal is to obtain a CCW between now and late Spring.
I’m starting a firearm safety course next month(and another course after that), so I’m sure instructors will probably make some recommendations for a first time gun owner. But also wanted to get other opinions as well.
Thanks in advance.
normiesmakegoodpets@reddit
If you shoot someone, it must be self defense or defense of life and safety of another. You must be able to articulate the subject's ability to cuase harm, intent to cause harm, and opportunity to cause harm. You must also be able to articulate their actions, your perception of their actions, and your actions. This is the difference between a self defense ruling and prison. Accept that you may spend the night in holding.
If you are still holding your weapon in your hands when the cops arrive have it at low ready and drop it immediately.
normiesmakegoodpets@reddit
Stay away from SCCY, HiPoint, Jennings. Some say stay away from Taurus. I've had a couple that were accurate with no issues but quality control may not be as good nowadays.
normiesmakegoodpets@reddit
Go to a range that rents but remember the rentals are used and abused. Try a couple. Find one you like the way it feels and it's easy to be accurate. It's different for everyone. Mine is a S&W MP9 M2.0. Lots of people like Glock. My wife likes Walther. Some like Sig Saur. Check reviews for malfunctions and I known issues on you top two. If you like one that is expensive watch for sales and check the pawn shops for used but good condition. If a shop won't take returns and doesn't allow basic function check, go somewhere that does.
BetterthanU4rl@reddit
Don't be afraid to go to your lgs and shop around ask to see everything you're curious about. They know you might not buy today. Don't be afraid to ask questions at the counter or during a class.
I'd look at CZ, Glock, and Smith & Wesson for low dough CCW handguns. The Sig P365 is very popular. H&K is always great if you have the $$$. No Taurus no SCCY!
Maybe you should buy 2 guns. One for home and one for ccw. You could step up to something easier to shoot for home with something like an Extar EP9 pistol.
Jamieson22@reddit
To add to this a CZ P-10 C or F OR would be inexpensive and are fantastic guns for the money. Likely much cheaper online than at LGS. Also highly recommend getting a Taurus TX22 as it will be MUCH cheaper on ammo when you train. Plus 22s are fun.
A_Queer_Owl@reddit
upvoting only for the CZ bit, the .22lr Taurus bit kinda makes me want to downvote.
divok1701@reddit
I absolutely love my TX22... it's likely the only good semiautomatic pistol from Taurus.
It's a fantastic training gun.
The best ammo that runs 100% reliable in it is the Federal 36gr CPHP.
Any issues that I have had has been with other ammo. Aguila Super Extra jams (those brass are soft, they even are hard to eject from my revolver once fired)... even with CCI Stingers and CCI minimags, I can't get thru 2 magazines without at least 1 failure or jam... but those Federal, 250 rounds last night without a single issue with 3 different people shooting it!
When it comes to .22lr guns, ammo choice can make a world of difference!
A_Queer_Owl@reddit
it'd be really really pitiful if Taurus couldn't figure out a .22lr.
divok1701@reddit
Yeah... I see lots of bad stuff about Taurus, but the TX22 is the exception.
I have a Heritage Rough Rider revolver that is great and reliable, too.
I have heard less than favorable things about Rossi 357 magnum lever-action rifles... so I am probably staying away from those, too.
I'm not sure about the Rossi .22lr rifles... but I like my Ruger and the Henry ones.
Jamieson22@reddit
Have you had issues with your TX22? My Competition has been pretty much flawless for 12K+ rounds and my Compact is new but no issues in 1000 or so rounds.
A_Queer_Owl@reddit
just not a fan of taurus as a company, I find them irresponsible for producing products such as they do. if they pull a Hi-Point and drastically improve their quality I'll respect them again.
also, .22lr is great for teaching very small people but I think an average sized adult man can start with something a bit more substantial and have a gun that's useful for more than just plinking and target shooting.
Jamieson22@reddit
That is why a TX22 was suggested in addition to a 9mm P-10. And I'd say a 22 is great training for anyone, not just "very small people" (do you mean kids here?).
A_Queer_Owl@reddit
oh, I misread that. yeah, I guess if you want a plinker that's fine. I've been trying to find a kadet upper for my P-09 just for shits and giggles.
children and others, yes, there are more ways to be very small than just being young. knew a woman who was only 4'10". didn't have dwarfism or nothing. was just a very tiny old Thai lady. probably would've started teaching her with a .22lr. although, for I knew she was packing a deagle, she was feisty. I could totally see her having been some kinda guerilla fighter back in her youth.
BetterthanU4rl@reddit
Friends don't let friends buy Taurus.
Jamieson22@reddit
Meh. The TX22 is fantastic and more reliable than both of my MKIVs as well as my Victory.
CZFanboy82@reddit
The TX 22 has no business being as fun and reliable as I've found it to be.
BetterthanU4rl@reddit
Oh I'm sorry. You'll notice didn't recommend Ruger either. Let me rephrase what I said.... Taurus is shit and not worth your hard earned money. Their QC is a gamble and whether or not you get a fully functional weapon that you can count your life on is a roll of dice. Do not buy a Taurus if your life is on the line.
I hope that clears things up!
As for .22. I don't shoot it. I've found that the caliber has a strange cult like following. That's why most .22 pistols always look so weird.
As for training. Train what you carry. That way you won't be surprised if you ever have to use it.
CZFanboy82@reddit
Listen to this suggestion, OP. Only change I would make would be CZ, Smith, and then Glock for purely personal reasons, as I enjoy the ergos on the Smith more than the Glocks.
Zestyclose-Habit-970@reddit (OP)
Thank you! 🙏
Stock_Block2130@reddit
I got my first firearm at age 59, HiPoint 995TS 9mm carbine, while taking lessons and renting various handguns. Got a Ruger SR9C because I like having a safety. Added more as I became more knowledgeable. My suggestion is to take lessons, rent a variety of handguns, and buy what feels comfortable in your hand and meets your price point. My recommendation if I were starting today would be something like a Smith and Wesson Shield for carry, the model with the safety. You might not need anything more.
RaccoonRanger474@reddit
You’ve answered one of my questions by stating that you’ll be carrying concealed.
1- How much time are you willing to devote to training?
2- What is your budget for an initial setup?
3- Do you have any restrictions set forth by the jurisdictions you frequent?
Zestyclose-Habit-970@reddit (OP)
1.) Between practical training(range shooting, learning parts of the weapon, etc) and formal training(classroom instruction, etc): 4-6 hours per week in the beginning but open to suggestions.
2.) $1,000 or less
3.) Not as far as I know.
RaccoonRanger474@reddit
There are generally three routes I’d suggest.
A) Compact 9mm
I’d personally suggest a Walther PDP, but something like a Glock 19 or S&W M&P9 Compact would be fine handguns.
The advantage to this option is that generally the triggers are easy for a new shooter to learn quickly, and the size allows for good control of the weapon and a good capacity. They are also very customizable in general. Models for optics are available, and equipping them with a weapon light is easy.
The disadvantage is that they are a little bit larger and will require extra consideration to carry comfortably, and if you don’t carry comfortably you likely won’t carry consistently.
You can have one for about $500 which will allow money for a holster and extra ammo. I would highly consider an optic, but it is not necessary. An optic can flatten your learning curve though, showing you issues with grip, trigger pull, and recoil anticipation that you might bot see with irons, on top of being a superior sighting solution and easier to see in general.
B) Sub-compact 9mm
As much as I hate suggesting Sig products, a P365 might be one of the better options for this class, but I’d personally go for a S&W M&P Shield or Walther PPS M2 here.
The advantages here over a compact would be solely their ease of carry. They are a good bit smaller and lighter. Those same advantages though manifest in their disadvantage of being harder to shoot accurately, as the size and weight exacerbates poor form/technique. Put in enough time for discipline and training though, and you can overcome the issues. With discipline and training though, you can shoot the larger compacts that much better.
3) Revolver
Don’t consider this option lightly.
I’d suggest a S&W 640 or SP101 in general given your budget. Either of these options will eat up most of your budget after a good holster and a few boxes of ammo. You could get a S&W 442/642 for around $500 and have plenty for a holster and extra ammo, but they are harder to learn on than the aforementioned models.
The advantages here is that you have surety of fire, a simpler manual of arms, and potentially a great training aid.
The disadvantage is relatively less comfortable recoil, lower capacity, and more technical reloads that are slower.
I train kids in competitive pistol shooting, and I generally start them out on a revolver if I have them directly under my instruction and they haven’t provided their own handgun. You can dry fire like a mad man with them, and training the double action only trigger pull can clean up grip and anticipation issues that are very common in new shooters.
The past two years I have carried revolvers almost exclusively when I am not on duty. My autos are starting to collect dust.
Zestyclose-Habit-970@reddit (OP)
Really appreciate this. This is exactly the type of expertise I was looking for. I’m leaning towards the Glock 19.
RaccoonRanger474@reddit
Glock 19 would be an excellent choice if paired with a good carry system. I’d suggest planning for the future and getting one with an optic cut.
I’d also suggest factoring a PHLSTER Enigma holster system in to your purchase. It makes my PDP with a TLR7 light and RMR optic disappear, and it is comfortable enough to wear while riding a motorcycle for +8hrs a day.
Blackiee_Chan@reddit
Go to the shop. Hold a bunch of different firearms..don't buy anything you don't like holding or you won't train with it.
Less-Jeweler-8422@reddit
Ive sold guns for a long time. I know rep high dollar pistols. I’ll say this:
Got to a range and rent some. Spend a few hours and shoot some semi auto pistols.
Pay attention to what feels good in your hand. If it doesn’t feel good, move along.
$500 is where the decent stuff starts. S&W M&P, Glock, Sig x variants, HK, Canik are all value brands to look at.
Take a basic pistol course
If you pay attention to all of this, you’ll be just fine.
calentureca@reddit
Go to a shooting range which offers guns for rent. Try several, with an eye to how it feels in your hand, how the angle of the grip to the barrel feels to you.
If you intend to carry it, how heavy it is and how bulky it is. Can you comfortably carry and conceal it.
How big is your hand? Can you maintain a good, stable grip on a gun with a single stack (thin) magazine or are you ok with a thicker, double stack magazine?
There is no shame if you feel more comfortable with specific size weapons. You will potentially be carrying it everywhere and using it to defend yourself.
Good luck.
PissBalloonWarrior@reddit
This, try lots of guns, find one you like holding and find that you can actually control and practice. Buy that and then practice alot.
Albine2@reddit
If you are going with home defense I would look for handguns calibered in 9mm overall best defensive caliber and most widely available.
Go to a range and try shooting a few, Sig, Glock, Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Beretta, Canik all are top tier manufacturers so the quality is there. It would depend on which one feels good to shoot for you.
If this is going to be your only firearm purchase I would not cheap out for obvious reasons. Afterwards buy ammo take a course and practice, practice, practice.
DY1N9W4A3G@reddit
Rather than re-write it all, I'll just offer you direct links to a couple of my very recent replies to very similar questions. Also, if you do choose to read those, you'll find a few explanations within as to why I agree with the person who suggested it's best for first-time shooters to start with 22LR (unless money is no object for you). The numerous shooting fundamentals you'll need to learn and practice exhaustively are exactly the same regardless of caliber or specific make/model of gun (proper stance, grip, trigger control, etc.). Both the gun itself and the huge amount of ammo you're likely to need at first are drastically cheaper in the 22LR world than any other caliber including 9mm (the most common self-defense caliber). 22LR will also allow you to cheaply learn all the important things new gun owners almost always fail to factor into their plans (how to field strip a pistol for basic cleaning, how to otherwise maintain a gun, which accessories you might need/want and which you don't, etc.). It also allows you to make mistakes that are inevitable during the learning process without potentially damaging the same expensive gun you'll then rely on to save your life. Best of luck.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Glocks/comments/1i31r8v/comment/m7jl5gf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.reddit.com/r/Glock43X/comments/1i24qe3/comment/m7bva1w/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
RimfireRand@reddit
Start with a Tippmann M4 .22 LR - take the safety class, learn the basics on a .22 LR long gun. Rent as may hand guns as you wish before buying. Don't rush the process.
sirbassist83@reddit
IMO the best first gun is not a carry gun, its a full sized 22lr. it will allow you to train cheaply and effectively, and build good habits. the browning buckmark is my favorite, but the ruger mk4 is also very highly recommended. there are lots of other options, but those are the ones im familiar with and have no hesitation recommending. after youve gotten comfortable with it, start looking at carry guns. like kromulent said, you want a gun thats small and light enough to carry, but something you can still shoot well. most of the micro 9's like the glock 43 and S&W shield are unpleasant, and hard to shoot well. most of the micro 380's like the LCP are also unpleasant and hard to shoot well. they dont have enough weight to absorb the recoil. if possible, rent before you buy. i like the p365 and keltec p32. the p32's main drawback is that it uses 32 acp which is borderline for self defense, but its very soft recoiling for its size, and is the thinnest and lightest pistol on the market other than a few novelty guns that are totally impractical.
honest outlaw on youtube has a lot of good videos on carry pistols.
Kromulent@reddit
A course is the best idea. Glad you're already on it.
Try guns at the range before you decide. That said, the usual advice (which is good advice) is to look at quality compact 9mms, you have many to choose from.
Carry is harder than it looks - you want a gun that's small, flat, and light, that you can still shoot well.
Zestyclose-Habit-970@reddit (OP)
Thanks so much. I appreciate the insight.
Exact-Event-5772@reddit
Glock 19.
Kromulent@reddit
https://www.budsgunshop.com/search.php/type/handguns/caliber/22903-9mm/other/conceal_carry/minp/300