Tested: Subaru's 2025 WRX tS Inches Toward the Top
Posted by shouldahadaflat4@reddit | cars | View on Reddit | 165 comments
With a decrease in straight-line performance and panic stopping distance, is this parts bin special enough to pull consumers away from GR Corollas?
Same old story, Subaru. Upgrade the damn powertrain.
enfuego138@reddit
Why can’t we get at least 300 hp out of 2.4 liters? In 2013 a base WRX made more horsepower than a Golf R and you could get a base WRX for nearly $10k less. Now there’s a 50 horsepower gap in favor of the Golf R and Subaru has managed to jack this thing up to price parity. It’s so disappointing how far the WRX has slipped in the last 10 years.
yobo9193@reddit
Because Subaru couldn’t make a good engine if their life depended on it, and this one is tuned for low-end torque and emissions compliance.
janon330@reddit
The new FA24 engines are good engines though. Tuners are pushing them to 400 WHP with minor mods. And they are reliable. Its arguable the best engine they have ever produced.
I sincerely think Toyota nixed the STi because of the GR Corolla and or the STI didnt happen because of EPA regulations on Fleet emissions.
yobo9193@reddit
400whp out of 2.4 liters isn’t as bragworthy as you think it is, especially if that involves replacing the turbo.
69wrxguy420@reddit
For a new car that you can get for ~30k its not bad at all. You need a new trans on the VB before you need a new turbo.
yobo9193@reddit
And a GTI makes even more power stock, with less displacement, for less money. Crazy how the world is nowadays
janon330@reddit
Literally just an intake and an exhaust.
You can get 325 WHP / 350 WTQ with just a Tune and Intake.
If you replace the turbo they easily push close to 450-500 WHP.
LittlePup_C@reddit
Idk why the downvotes. Subaru isn’t a sports car company. Never have been. People look back at the ‘02 era WRX STI like it was something particularly special when a Saab of the era had more power, comfort, and reliability.
What follows is what I’ve heard of Subaru. I’ve never owned one and have less than zero interest to own one. I’d love to be corrected if any of this is wrong:
Aren’t these also the ones it’s known to need head gaskets ever 100k too? Like it’s not even a reliable car that’s held as Subaru’s top WRX. The only thing they do is make a cheap AWD car. The AWD system isn’t even good; it basically shreds itself to pieces if you have the slightest difference in tread size.
yobo9193@reddit
Because WRX fanboys hate when you point out that the EJ series engines had multiple class action lawsuits because their reliability was so bad. The Subaru AWD system is definitely one of the best among the non-premium brands and is fairly reliable, but Subaru doesn’t really care about their WRX buyers. And why would they, when their core market is just as rabid and buys the cars that actually keep the lights on?
69wrxguy420@reddit
It's also worth pointing out the EJ hasn't been available in a WRX (non STI) for 10 years now
yobo9193@reddit
Are you maybe a bit biased?
enfuego138@reddit
Reference, please.
yobo9193@reddit
I brought the receipts
enfuego138@reddit
That was it? Spun connecting rod bearings happened sometimes on an engine that was sold for over thirty years? You really oversold your position didn’t you?
yobo9193@reddit
Engines that are brand new don't have spun rod bearings, let alone ones that have been in production since the last century....
enfuego138@reddit
Did you even read the lawsuit? People were suing because they would spin bearings after the 60k powertrain warranty expired. While premature and unacceptable, you’re again way overselling the actual facts.
yobo9193@reddit
Idk why you're so butthurt, but I made a claim and backed it up. Feel free to add something of value at any point
enfuego138@reddit
You claimed multiple class action lawsuits and brand new engines spinning rod bearings when the link you posted to “back up” your exaggerations said no such thing. Now you’re crying because you got called out.
Sad day for you.
Tw0Rails@reddit
LittlePup_C@reddit
Yep really helpful, thanks for adding to the conversation.
Another individual took the time to teach me and inform me what and how I’m wrong about in a polite manner.
How would insulting me change my mind? If anything it makes me double down. Why the hell would I ever listen to what you say. This is one of the reasons I wouldn’t own a Subaru. Not only are the cars shit, the people who buy them are even shittier; I’d hate to be mistaken for someone in the likes of you.
69wrxguy420@reddit
Yet you come off as such a pleasant person lol. Typical reddit moment of talking out your ass completely. Stop the generalizations.
Tw0Rails@reddit
You spent 0 research and regurgitated memes from an engine that isn't even in production, made broad assumptions about new cars.
Just don't post generalizations and do some basic learning if you actually want to. But the icing on the cake is you don't care about those cars at all, but have a megative view jusy so you can come on and shit talk.
Subary doesn't care about your non purchase, but I totally do enjoy pointing out the contradiction.
I love how in modern day if you dont know what you talk about and get called out, you complain:
"WHY SHOULDNT I DOUBLE DOWN"
Go ahead, double down.
enfuego138@reddit
Wow, you’re pretty wrong here. Maybe you’re too young but 20 years ago there was the STI, the EVO and everything else. A 2004 STI made 300 hp. A Porsche 911 Carrera 4 made 320 and cost 2.5 times more.
Not sure where you got the idea that the Saab 9-3 Viggen was even on tbe same planet as the STI in the early 2000s. The 2002 was nearly 30% more expensive, had a 70 horsepower deficit and no AWD. I guess it won hands down on torque steer.
Angry_Homer@reddit
I truly doubt a saab of the era had reliability close to a subaru. And good luck finding saab parts
LittlePup_C@reddit
Seems my whole point got lost on you
Angry_Homer@reddit
Well you could like not lie
varzaguy@reddit
The BRZ is one of the best sports cars ever made. It is well loved, and has staying power.
Helps that all the other beginner sports cars outside of the Miata have all disappeared.
So they can make at least one lol.
Thing is it’s not the engine that makes a sports car anyways and never was.
LittlePup_C@reddit
Best is definitely subjective.
I don’t use this for what sports car I want to buy, but I’ve always considered the lap times on the Nurburgring to be the determining factor of who makes the best sports car; and last I checked, Subaru isn’t even in the top 20
handymanshandle@reddit
I know that the Aero B235s make solid power, but let’s not kid ourselves, neither a Saab 9-3 Viggen nor a Saab 9-5 Aero was faster than a WRX STI. The fastest Aeros of that era were pulling 0-60 times of maybe 6.2 seconds and while they get into triple digits quick, the Subaru was still pulling ahead. Besides, those Saabs were considerably more expensive at the time.
LittlePup_C@reddit
I loved my 9-5, but the Saab comment was more of dogging on Saab. Like “even Saab was able to make an engine with more power.” However, I seem to have misremembered the power figures for those STI engines. Wikipedia is telling me it’s a respectable 315hp. For w/e reason my memory had it ~215HP.
Metalphase@reddit
The head gasket meme is not applicable to turbo EJ engines which used different head gaskets than the non-turbo EJs used in non-WRX Subarus. A stock EJ205/255 will not have gasket issues unless you start modding for power, (which nearly all of them had which is why we have this reputation). This gets memed about to death but a stock WRX can be a fairly reliable car. You CAN fault the engines for ringland failure and oil starvation, and people have talked about this incessantly for time immemorial. It's a valid point of criticism. The design of the oil pan in EJ20s and EJ25s was especially poor for their intended application. But oil starvation is also just a weakness of the boxer layout in general without an oiling solution like a dry sump, i.e. if I recall how Porsche Boxters come out, but then that's a much more expensive car and I can't think of many sub-100k cars that will have a dry sump solution, nor need one.
Their AWD system is full-time, symmetrical which is why differences in tread matters, because of course a difference in tread will lead to issues in the differentials when all four wheels are linked. That's not an implementation problem by Subaru as much as it's an issue with AWD systems. Even with an on-demand AWD system I can't imagine you'd ever want unequal tread wear.
LittlePup_C@reddit
Just so you know, since you seem like you’d like to know. The water cooled Porsche boxers use what they call an integrated dry sump. It basically operates as a dry sump with the oil tank on the bottom of the engine. The GT cars and some of the early water cooled turbos use a separate oil tank still.
Fun fact: the latest GT cars use a plastic oil tank
DM725@reddit
A crossover engine that redlines at 6,000 RPM.
Juicyjackson@reddit
I love WRX's, but this thing is stupid.
Spending $47k on a 271 horsepower WRX is just ridiculous.
Especially with the killing off of the base WRX, it now costs $37k to get into a WRX at a minimum...
That is the same price as the 2021 WRX STI...
Even adjusted for inflation, the 2025 tS is a couple grand more expensive than a 2021 STI.
Kaiathebluenose@reddit
All it needs is more power. Not having 310+ is a crime on the base model. And at 47k it should be around 350 hp
Trades46@reddit
I swear Subaru is allergic to HP. The excuse back then was the old EJ25 had durability restrictions from factory, but now it has the newer FA24 with much more overhead and it still is inferior to the Honda K20C1 and Toyota G16E.
quikskier@reddit
The CVT is what is keeping Subaru from turning up the wick. They don't want to give the MT way more HP/TQ than the CVT as it will be a telltale sign of the CVT limitations. Complete speculation on my part, but I've been saying this from day 1.
Top_Repair6670@reddit
It’s probably the opposite actually. Subaru’s CVT is, most likely, getting the lion’s share of development budget because it can be utilized throughout their entire product range. The manual transmission in the WRX and BRZ is pretty much the same unit that has been used by Subaru for over a decade atleast, it isn’t super strong/robust. If you want to make large power figures on these cars you need to look into swapping over the VA STI transmission.
TL;DR: if anything, the manual transmission is holding back the power figures for Subaru without offering the stronger STI transmission and diffs.
i_imagine@reddit
Why don't they use the STI parts on the upper trim WRX then? Surely Subaru can still produce those parts. They could also add more power this way.
Top_Repair6670@reddit
Your guess is as good as mine. I would think it has to come down to cost of manufacturing, consumer purchase price, and emissions control. End all be all Subaru just decided it wasn't a good business decision. I view the introduction of the 'tS' trim and the S210 prototype as them kinda backtracking on their earlier decision somewhat.
uberdosage@reddit
Just like honda!
99Lexus_andpizza@reddit
My 2008 Lexus es350 makes more horsepower than this thing. Pretty absurd
nalyd8991@reddit
That’s so dumb on Subaru’s part. The MSRP on my Base 2022 WRX and my Base 2025 Outback were $29,900
That’s the only reason we’re a Subaru household, because we could have AWD for the same price as a Corolla or Rav 4. Never would buy a Subaru at $37k
Juicyjackson@reddit
I understand the decision, just not many people wanted a 2024 sporty sedan that cost $30k+ that didn't have pretty bare essentials for a 2024 car.
No heated seats, no keyless entry, no push button start, no fog lights, etc.
It was a very niche car, but the removal of it makes the Premium look like a bad deal.
epsiblivion@reddit
no keyless or push button on a base wrx? wow.
Juicyjackson@reddit
Nope, if you bought a 2024 WRX base model, you get a standard Subaru physical key from like atleast 2012.
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fjx8ti31vzun71.jpg
TireShineWet@reddit
That’s crazy lmfao
konieboy@reddit
Why is it crazy? It's a base model. Base models used to have no radio and no ac.
Spirited-Pause@reddit
Because it’s 2024 and that stuff has been standard in base model cars for several years now.
TireShineWet@reddit
Most base models don’t require a physical key anymore. Very outdated.
Zcypot@reddit
I got a 2019 outback because it was good bang for the buck for me. Had all the technology I wanted, good gas mileage, awd, space, and was really reliable.
DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit
The MSRP of the most expensive Corolla in 2022 was still $1500 less than your 2022 base WRX. The prices are close, but I wouldn't consider that "the same price". And that was on an overpriced "Apex" edition Corolla than Toyota dropped after that model year.
ILikeTewdles@reddit
Same here. We mainly purchased Subaru's because they were well engineered fun\quirky cars for the money. Now that's the exact opposite. They're overpriced uninspired turds with overcomplicated infotainment that doesn't work.
I sold my 2023 Outback Wilderness after getting fed up with it and haven't looked back. After owning it for a year, that thing was overpriced as well.
Seeing the supposed 2026 Outback and what they did to the new Forester, I don't have much hope for Subaru. They sure aren't making anything I want anymore.
PickledPricklyPenis@reddit
I'm a BMW guy but my girlfriend and I share a 2024 Outback Wilderness, and yeah the infotainment is annoying once in awhile, there was nothing really for the price that matched it's offering; especially for something decently large with 260hp.
saying it "doesn't work" is a bit dramatic, we have 22000km on ours in a year and it's never not "worked".
ILikeTewdles@reddit
Yeah it's a unique offering, a factory lifted wagon that's kinda rugged. That's what attracted me to it. They're not cheap though @ around $42-43K with the options you want and adding skid plates that Subaru removed from the factory.
The infotainment in them is very it or miss. Ours would randomly get super laggy so you'd be tapping icons you didn't mean to tap. The Auto climate never worked, it was always 10 degrees too warm. It also would drop connection with my phone and lock up for 5-7 minutes attempting to reconnect, you couldn't get out of it unless you rebooted. So, no adjusting anything until it unfucked itself. With my wife's iPhone it would sometimes randomly drop audio every 10 minutes or so unless you rebooted it.
Just a PITA to deal with and of course when I had it in to the dealer, it behaved besides being laggy which " is just how these are" said every tech that looked at it.
My Outback was also full off freaking rattles after about 6 months. I really wanted to like it but it just never clicked for me. We did have some fun out in Colorado up in the mountains but back road tripping to MN it's random issues wore us down.
shouldahadaflat4@reddit (OP)
I wonder if the transaction prices will reflect that. Will be interesting if these start going for under MSRP.
DM725@reddit
Guaranteed. Every other WRX goes for invoice.
Juicyjackson@reddit
They already are, pretty much all WRX's are going for $2k-$4k under MSRP.
BlazinAzn38@reddit
This new design has been going for under MSRP since it releases
saturnuranusmars@reddit
Wow, fuck this car then and fuck the car industry
DaBombDiggidy@reddit
It's very odd they didn't just throw a wing on this thing and call it an STI. Sure it would be a "slap in the face" to STI fans but they'd still sell like hotcakes because of the brand.
Juicyjackson@reddit
They have thrown on the last gen STI wing in other markets on official models.
Australia, Japan, New Zealand, etc.
My only thought is they are saving the STI wing for an actual STI that they are coming out with.
If they bring out an actual STI with the FA24 making 320+ horsepower, and the STI transmission, I would go to my dealership and immediately order one.
Top_Repair6670@reddit
They did, look at the S210 prototype unveiled at TAS the other day.
Not to mention, Japan has access to a trim of the WRX called the S4 STI. It is pretty much the same trim as the ‘tS’ here in the USA. It is not a true STI because it lacks the torsen diffs.
Vhozite@reddit
I feel like anyone who knows enough to be lured by the STI name would also be aware of what makes that car special in the first place. At the bare minimum it would need even slightly more HP
orangutanDOTorg@reddit
Does this include the STI drivetrain or just more boost?
KanterBama@reddit
In the article they actually said it was slower than the limited because of the bigger wheels/rotors with no increase in power.
orangutanDOTorg@reddit
Nice. Like the Corolla sport model.
KanterBama@reddit
I should put that sport badge on my GRC then, I appreciate the insight!
Juicyjackson@reddit
Nothing...
Same exact performance as the base WRX that came out in 2022.
Patient-Library-7136@reddit
Subaru...the car manufacturer that had the world at its feet. Apart from the disaster Tribeca, and arguably the 01 Impreza due to headlight design... they lost the plot. Such a shame. 😳
bazbloom@reddit
I just can't see a situation where Subie gets back to a place where the WRX punches above its weight. They have neither the motivation nor the engineering prowess to do so.
shouldahadaflat4@reddit (OP)
Yeah the days are gone where the base WRX beats a mustang 0-60.
I think a WRX would have to put out 350 hp and an STI would need to be ~415hp to punch above their weight these days
ricochet48@reddit
Absolute joke. So sad how some auto manufacturers have fallen in the performance / enthusiast category
H20POWERHOUSE@reddit
No idea why you're getting downvoted because you're not wrong.
ricochet48@reddit
Ya performance coupes (especially with a backseat) are dead, it's just math.
M240ix is the last bastion of a AWD coupe that has a somewhat usable backseat and a top tier powerplant (B58/ZF8) that still gets great mpg. The Benz CLE is just way too expensive, but I'm glad it exists (and even they had to combine to platforms to keep it alive).
Glad the BRZ / GR86 exist, but their backseat is even smaller and it's just too entry level for me at this point (more in line with my budget 20 years ago when I bought my RSX-S).
H20POWERHOUSE@reddit
G80 M4 has a much more usable backseat than the m240i. I'm 6'2 and fit behind my seating position in the G80 and even the E46 325ci but can't with the G87 at all.
H20POWERHOUSE@reddit
All that to still be slower than a fwd elantra N but the same price as a golf R, GR corolla and type R is insane
DisastrousAnt4454@reddit
For that price you can get a golf r and have a ride that’s not only faster, but has an interior that makes the wrx look like an economy car.
JReitman@reddit
It’s 2025 and Subaru is making 47k WRXs that can even break 100mph in a quarter mile.
narwhal_breeder@reddit
Wild that the times are basically bang on with the GR86.
Juicyjackson@reddit
I wanted a WRX STI since high school, own an Impreza that I have had since high school, but will be putting an order in for a BRZ in March.
$33k for a RWD old school sports car, want to get that in before I have kids and other responsibilities.
I just can't imagine paying $36k for a WRX(base model)
narwhal_breeder@reddit
Just a heads up, I wish I bought an S2000 instead. There are still a lot of good ones to be had and you won't lose a dime on it, unlike the BRZ.
Time_Astronaut@reddit
Now please never post this comment any where else ever again because it's true
narwhal_breeder@reddit
I passed on a pristine AP2 with 18K miles for $17,000 in 2019.
I am a fucking idiot. Do not be me.
Top_Repair6670@reddit
Nah trust me if you planned to do any amount of daily-ing in the S2000 you would’ve grown to hate it.
Purely as a second car though? Yeah beats the GR. But for 90% of consumers the GR86/BRZ is an only car, so it needs to be a compromised sports car.
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
I’ve dailied my S for 7 years and love it. It depends on your priorities.
Top_Repair6670@reddit
If it works, it works, but sometimes I need to move more than one person. :P
narwhal_breeder@reddit
It wasn’t a daily :(
I bought a 4C afterwards the S2000 felt like an S-Class in comparison.
Top_Repair6670@reddit
This is surprising to me, between the two I’d rather have the 4C as a purely secondary car. Why did you not like it?
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narwhal_breeder@reddit
Dios mio these filters need some tuning
handymanshandle@reddit
Man, even in 2019 that was a scorching deal. I wouldn’t have blinked twice at a clean AP2 for $17k, let alone with practically no miles on it.
Time_Astronaut@reddit
It happens... my first AP2 was 12k CANADIAN. Market go up after market go down, wallet needs to get thick with it too.
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
I have an S2000 which I love dearly bc it was my dream car when it came out. It still is. I daily it and love the thing. But the GR86 offers a much more modern, balanced platform and a stiffer chassis, but doesn’t need $20k worth of bushings and repairs like a 20-year-old S2000. The S2000 isn’t turn key anymore—I don’t care if it has 12 miles and the original plastic on the seats. All the rubber is dry and needs to be replaced before the car can be driven predictably. The fluid filled engine and diff mounts are always blown on any low mileage S2000 I see. Those things had a service life of 2-3 years and I see cars with the original engine mounts. The GR86 can be bought new, get some oil, brake fluid, lines and pads, new tires, and can go onto the track. You absolutely cannot do that with an S2000. I mean, you can but your car won’t be happy with you.
Juicyjackson@reddit
This will be a daily driver, i want all of the modern features like radar cruise, blind spot monitoring, back up camera, heated seats, etc.
derelickmyvols@reddit
And for a $12k+ premium over the GR86. I have to give Subaru credit: I didn't think anyone could provide a worse value for money than the GR Corolla, but they may have done it.
KanterBama@reddit
Is the GR Corolla not the cheapest AWD + LSD + big brake car you can buy? Where’s the bad value?
derelickmyvols@reddit
I mean, sure. If you want to limit it to that pretty narrow subset of vehicles. The main issue I have with that car is how many regular Corolla vestiges are left behind for [the top spec at least] pushing nearly 50k. And that Toyota doesn't really seem to care all that much that the AWD shits the bed after a couple laps around a track. The big brakes and LSD are more of a decoration/bragging rights if you can't track it.
terroristteddy@reddit
I think Toyota doesn't care because frankly people don't really track their cars.
KanterBama@reddit
A narrow subset of cars for AWD + LSD + big brakes? Golf R, S3, M240i/M340i/M440i xDrive with options, RS3, S4, RS5, M3/4 xDrive, C43 AMG, C63 AMG, Carrera 4S…
I’m sure I’m missing some, but the point still stands that the GR Corolla is by far the cheapest in this class (the top trim is literally just for dorks who want a Corolla with BBS wheels and a carbon roof, and mine was still cheaper than a Golf R btw).
And if you want to include “potential issues on track” as a reason to disqualify a car’s value, then almost every car has poor value except the Miata and sports cars with push rod V8s. Ask me about the heat soak issues I faced trying to track a WRX, the AWD may have never overheated but everything else sure as shit did.
derelickmyvols@reddit
That isn't a "class" but rather cars with a few similarities. You can't seriously compare a GRC to an M3/911 (or nearly every other car you listed, for that matter). There are cars that the GRC actually competes with that you've conspicuously left out because they dont have some of these features. And some are faster on the track without having those, by the way.
Regardless, you can't scoff at the "potential issues on track" comment while simultaneously including features that aren't really useful in normal street driving, e.g., big brakes. If your AWD goes into limp mode 4 minutes into a spirited drive, then how valuable are big brakes and an LSD, really?
Honestly, no offense intended because I do like the GRC. However, the price and Toyota's indifference to its problems are really off-putting, and it's really difficult to justify purchasing unless you just have to have a manual transmission hot hatch.
KanterBama@reddit
First, I don’t take offense to any of this, I don’t care if people think I bought bad cars, I like my cars lol. I was legitimately asking why you found the value poor when you can’t buy the mechanical configuration for cheaper. Some dork came in and downvoted you earlier.
I’m not comparing the GRC to anything, I’m saying that if you want AWD with LSDs and big brakes these are the cars you can buy with that equipment installed, and the GRC is the cheapest of those cars. An Elantra N is 100% faster than a GRC on track and in most circumstances, no doubt, but a GRC (and all those cars I listed) is way more fun to drive in the snow. I live where it snows, so to me these cars are a class of “make it to the ski resort in style.” And I legitimately did consider getting an RS3, but yes, I just had to have a manual hot hatch.
On the street the AWD system is more than capable. Personally I’ve never had my GRC’s AWD system overheat, I don’t track it, I just drive hard up mountain roads. You have to have sustained track speeds and it shuts off for most people 10-15 minutes into a session. Big brakes come in handy when I come back down these roads trying to corner like I’m fast (I’ve cooked my WRX’s brakes before the Brembos), and the LSDs are the most useful bit of equipment if you want to have fun and control slides in the snow. Basically, you can make full use of all of this equipment if you just live in the snow and mountains, going back to my point of the GRC is the cheapest AWD + LSD + big brake car you can buy.
DM725@reddit
The GRC was $36-$39K for a 2023 Core depending on which of the 3 option packages were equipped (I had one). It was a pretty good value at $36K with the LSDs.
Both cars are not good values at $45k+.
Ok_Internet_2752@reddit
While being half as fun to drive on a twisty road.
opeth10657@reddit
I had been looking at the WRX to replace my Fusion, but just can't go backwards in speed/power.
Ok_Internet_2752@reddit
This is almost the exact price of a Golf R, which is a better car by pretty much every metric. The only way I could see someone justifying this over the R is if they needed a manual, which you can still get in the 24 model year. This car is DOA.
Ill-Train6478@reddit
Hey subaru if you keep fucking up your wrx kill it off and make crosstrek sti charge sub $30k then call it a day
DM725@reddit
How to sell a $30K for nearly $50k with dealer parts bin/add-ons.
WrongdoerSoggy4422@reddit
Sorry but the WRX does not play in the near $50k class. Its a low to mid 30’s car.
shouldahadaflat4@reddit (OP)
Who are you apologizing to lol, that's the entire point of the post
WrongdoerSoggy4422@reddit
To subaru haha
willpc14@reddit
No, see flair.
Funny_Papers@reddit
No we want limited slips diffs and rear bias power distribution!
shouldahadaflat4@reddit (OP)
Well yeah, that too. I didn't include drivetrain but you're right. You can upgrade power easily aftermarket but not differentials and power distribution.
Funny_Papers@reddit
Yea sorry I was indirectly answering the question in your post “is this parts bin special enough to pull consumers away from GR Corollas” from the perspective of a lifelong STI fanboy that now has a GRC
shouldahadaflat4@reddit (OP)
I'm right there with you. Especially for the money, the GRC is a much better package
DudebuD16@reddit
While Subarus aren't particularly great in the interior design portion, the WRX is miles ahead of the GRC. It's very clear where all the money went when they designed the GRC
Astramael@reddit
I wouldn’t touch a Subaru with the big vertical infotainment. It’s amazingly bad. Having the HVAC partially in the screen is the bad icing on the bad cake.
Everything in the GRC interior just works with zero hassle and zero issues. For that, it’s definitely ahead of what Subaru offers. Same reason it decimates the Golf R, it works. If a car interior doesn’t work, it isn’t nice.
Top_Repair6670@reddit
It isn’t really that bad, the infotainment is one of those things that is overblown on the internet just like the Golf’s interior was.
Astramael@reddit
I have used it and it definitely is that bad. There are plenty of cases of people selling their fairly new Subaru because it’s so bad. Subaru is changing their interior in their next model update because it’s so bad.
Top_Repair6670@reddit
I have used the GR Corolla’s interior (hence your flair) and I found it worse in a day-to-day liveability aspect. Seems we just have differing opinions. IMO, the GRC suffered from a far more plasticky and cheap feeling interior, more cramped due to less glass. But if the infotainment is a non-starter for you then I can’t change your mind, but aside from physical controls the UI feels much better. The Corolla’s infotainment felt like a children’s toy tablet.
DudebuD16@reddit
Infotainment aside as I don't have experience with any of them, the WRX is nicer inside than the GRC.
Astramael@reddit
What does nicer mean? I still don’t understand this. I’ve spent a non-trivial amount of time in the latest WRX. It’s fine, bunch cheap plastic in there, the controls don’t feel as nice, it’s not as well put together as the GRC inside. WRX has more bright work and contrast stitching. I think the WRX also has a better premium audio offering.
When I go back and forth I really don’t notice any “nicer” about it. The big things I notice immediately is what a pain in the ass the infotainment is in the WRX and how much worse the shifter is.
CantaloupeHour5973@reddit
The WRX and the Golf R are both nicer than the Corolla
DudebuD16@reddit
Yes they are, that's what I said in my previous post.
shouldahadaflat4@reddit (OP)
I haven't spent any time in a GRC because I have very few car guy friends, but it's interesting to hear that. My guess is that is a conscious choice by Toyota to be able to offer such good performance hardware at a reasonable price.
DudebuD16@reddit
Sat in it at the auto show last year and it's not particularly nice considering it starts at $50k in Canada. The premium is $60k and it's not....premium. the golf r is a better all around package at that price, and I'm not really a fan of the golf r
KanterBama@reddit
What? Miles ahead at commuting, sure, but the steering and shifter in the GRC blow the WRX out of the water, the turn-in is better than any STI I’ve driven, and it pulls all the way to 7200 rpm while the VB WRX had the lowest redline of any WRX ever, 6k rpm.
It doesn’t even have dual injection like the GR Corolla does, what exactly is “better” in the WRX?
hisfootstancewack@reddit
Only at the TS trim level. A base wrx/premium is a better deal than a base GRC every day
shouldahadaflat4@reddit (OP)
Base trim is removed for 2025, so all WRX now start at premium with a $35k+ MSRP. Isn't base GRC under $40k?
hisfootstancewack@reddit
I got my premium for 31 brand new with discounts and incentives. An equal spec GRC would have been around 40k with a worse interest rate. If you buy a vb wrx at msrp they got you good
shouldahadaflat4@reddit (OP)
Good point, I did mention.true transaction prices in another comment elsewhere. I think that's where the real math should be done, but it's a little easier to compare MSRP
hisfootstancewack@reddit
Yeah I love the GRC but I couldn’t justify one when I was looking at a 10k difference. At MSRP tho the GRC is convincing
longgamma@reddit
I wanted to get a WRX but the gas mileage 💀
quikskier@reddit
And from what I've read, it's even worse than advertised.
Top_Repair6670@reddit
It’s about right there, I average somewhere around 26 combined. This isn’t exactly a new issue with them though, and you’re not gonna get much better in a GRC, all-time AWD will do that.
WatchStoredInAss@reddit
Good lord that's ugly.
boner79@reddit
My how the mighty have fallen. WRX used to be a baller car without having to upgrade to STI trim.
LegateDamar@reddit
Wow, this performance sucks. 0.1 seconds and 1 mph faster in the quarter mile than a 2007 WRX.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a15147406/2007-vw-gti-vs-subaru-impreza-wrx-tr-mini-cooper-s-nissan-sentra-se-r-spec-v-mazdaspeed-3-grand-touring-comparison-tests/
Roadweannie09@reddit
We have some left over 2024 RS’s in Canada which is comparable to the tS which they are asking 44k CDN which works out to 30.5K US. That seems like a decent deal.
Blue-Mushroom13@reddit
Subaru has become a shitty company that doesn't listen to its customers. Fuck em. I hope they stop making the wrx just in time for a new evo announcement. They're seriously fucking idiots. They cornered the market for like a decade, and still let that segment fall through their fingers. Toyota deserves all of the rally type car sales.
Scary_One_2452@reddit
Mitsubishi fans waiting 40 years for this "new evo announcement" only for it to be an electric suv based on the Nissan Arya.
Odd-Refrigerator-425@reddit
They do listen to their customers.
For every WRX they sell, they sell 6 Crosstreks.
They aren't idiots for focusing on the people actually showing up en masse.
Juicyjackson@reddit
Tbf, this car is what the customers wanted...
Go back to when the car first launched, the big issues were that the GT which was auto only was the only way to get recaro seats, and adaptive dampers, this car fixes those complaints. You can now get a WRX with a manual, adaptive dampers, and recaro seats, it's just priced too stupidly to even make sense.
The car was amazing at the $30k price point, but at $47k it's just stupid.
inlibrary_legsnumb@reddit
They have listened to their customers, and that's why they pump out all the crossovers they can. (Sarcasm).
NFA_Cessna_LS3@reddit
wrx....been chasing Camry HP levels for decades
heyitsYMAA@reddit
Chasing implies making progress.
PickledPricklyPenis@reddit
Seeing how expensive these new cars are makes me hug my tuned 2011 335 MSport a little harder.
Plus-Hand9594@reddit
Toyota is, at 20%, the majority shareholder in Subaru. The WRX should be making 340hp stock and a lot more torque. But it has been ridiculously detuned from the factory, and the only explanation that makes sense is Toyota didn't want the GRC to look bad.
shouldahadaflat4@reddit (OP)
I did think about this, and maybe you're right, but also Subaru has way fewer options to meet CAFE standards than Toyota. Rather than Toyota purposefully sabotaging Subaru, I believe Subaru when they said they couldn't increase power due to CAFE and emissions regs. That being said, judging by the aftermarket, there is a tremendous amount of overhead on the FA24DIT and Subaru could have easily, easily thrown enthusiasts a bone with a mildly upgraded version with 350 hp.
Plus-Hand9594@reddit
If that's true, maybe the seemingly fantastic Hybrid system they will start selling this year will bring CAFE fleet efficiency #s to the point the STI can come back. Here's to dreaming.
dontbeslo@reddit
Cries in 2014 when I got my 2015 base WRX for $26 or $27k all in.
$47k puts it took close the Golf R, CTR, or even the Supra
Skensis@reddit
27k in 2014 isn't that far off than the price of the premium in 2025 will be adjusting for inflation.
dontbeslo@reddit
True, but it just sounds like so much more. 47k for the tS is going to be a tough sell
Skensis@reddit
Yeah, 47k for a tS is just too much for what it comes, like that should be bonafide STi price IMO.
shouldahadaflat4@reddit (OP)
Yeah my 2017 WRX limited was $30,500 in late 2016. Adjusted for inflation that is $40k today, which is wild. But that aside, you're absolutely right that the Golf R, CTR, and especially a GR Corolla are all better values. The supra is quite a bit more expensive but imo still a better value than a $47k WRX.
HiTork@reddit
A couple of years ago, Scobby said tightening emissions standards are what killed the STI, which is why we have been stuck with a sub 300 hp WRX for this current generation. They hinted a more powerful WRX could come back, but it would have to be a hybrid, or they might even consider an EV setup.
SophistXIII@reddit
I don't doubt the last generation STI was killed for emissions because that EJ motor got worse MPG than most trucks.
Still, the FA motors in the WRX got much better mileage and I can't think of a reason why they couldn't make an STI model with the 2.4.
Successful_Ad_9707@reddit
Yeah...for the money I'd get a GRC. And I did lol.
thegisforgreg@reddit
Why does every Subaru design look dated before it’s even released? If you had told me this was the 2006 WRX, I’d have believed you.
ritz_are_the_shitz@reddit
This is a 30k car with 15K of brand tax. Is it still a fluid coupling center diff?
Simple_Eye_5400@reddit
Wish it weren’t ugly. The round styling of the WRX still doesn’t do it for me
gunnutzz467@reddit
Top of the price range
shouldahadaflat4@reddit (OP)
Lol indeed