Israel supplied Iran with centrifuge platforms containing explosives, top official acknowledges
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aymanzone@reddit
The types of political acts of terrorism were abounded post-WW2
It would have been to not to rip up the nuclear trade deal with Iran
Then again, any sane country would get nukes to protect itself from the warmongers in Washington and the genocidal maniac Israel gov. and its allies
Squeaky_Ben@reddit
being so anti american, you support a theocratic terror regime getting WMDs is certainly a take for the ages.
aymanzone@reddit
anti-american = anti-genocide?
I'm no fan of Theocracy or Zionism,
The American gov is funding a genocide, an apartheid, and the longest ethnic cleansing operation in the 20th and 21st century. And you blame Islam? I mean for all the crap that religion has, you are much more a fundamentalist. Ani-American lol.. no thanks, I'm not a Nazi like the pro-genocide groups out there.
But wait, you got... Chiiina
Squeaky_Ben@reddit
Are you an AI?
aymanzone@reddit
Chiiina
Squeaky_Ben@reddit
I will take that as a yes.
Squidmaster129@reddit
It’s absolutely a good thing that the far-right theocratic dictatorship in Iran, that keeps funding terrorist groups and pissing off every country in the Middle East, does not have nukes. It should stay that way.
ToranjaNuclear@reddit
People said the same thing for North Korea too. Been 20 years since they got nukes, world hasn't been blown up to bits yet.
This fearmongering about other countries getting nukes is just the US and its allies fear of losing their hegemony over others.
DegenerateAkko@reddit
You do realize that we wouldn't be fucking alive and commenting if that happen right? They are not a religious fanatics who literally preach about killing all infidels that is you and me. Iran has funded more than a dozen of terrorist group who are willing to blow themselves to bits to kill innocents civilian across the world.
ToranjaNuclear@reddit
Man, where did I heard that before...
Aw yeah, the 60s. The red scare period sure was a crazy one. I see you guys have updated the paranoia now.
Ah yes, because the Israel government surely isn't full of fanatic wackos that would rather cleanse the entire territory of Palestine...nor has the US ever killed any innocents while pissing over other country's sovereignty. And the US never used nukes nor threatened to use them on anyone, ever.
The brainwashing is showing.
pouya02@reddit
As an Iranian, just stop analyzing the Iranian situation with hatred towards America. !
Nasharim@reddit
Yes, indeed, they're not "a religious fanatics who literally preach about killing all infidels that is you and me.".
I'm glad you understand that.
Because otherwise, it would be worrying for your geopolitical understanding.
Squidmaster129@reddit
For what it’s worth, North Korea doesn’t actually fund terrorist groups. Sure, they front some military exercises sometimes or send soldiers to die in Ukraine, but they’re not really actively aggressing the world other than rhetoric.
Iran has launched missile attacks and funded terrorist groups for decades. Even other middle eastern countries (other than Israel) are annoyed with it, and started shooting down their rockets despite hating Israel.
mwa12345@reddit
The largest funder of terrorist groups is probably us .. the US.
Just in Afghanistan, Syria ...we have funded running into billions of dollars.
At one stage , in Syria, CIS funded groups were fighting pentagon funded groups.
And am sure a lot of money gets pocketed
shart_or_fart@reddit
What missile attacks? The ones in retaliation for what Israel or the U.S. did?
mycargo160@reddit
Sending troops to Russia is absolutely them funding a terrorist group.
ToranjaNuclear@reddit
I know of other nuclear nations that love to fund terrorists and launch missile attacks on other nations and the world hasn't blow to bits because of them either.
The idea that the moment Iran gets nukes they're going to use them is just silly.
noasterix@reddit
Yes. I am glad the glorious leaders of north Korea has nukes. His reign will last for millenia. Thank you for understanding his glory brother.
ToranjaNuclear@reddit
"Only the countries I LIKE should have nukes 😡"
Man propaganda is a crazy thing.
noasterix@reddit
It really is. The idea that north Korea having nukes is a good thing is insane. I hope you get the help you need.
ToranjaNuclear@reddit
The idea that the US having nukes is a good thing is insane. I hope you get the help you need.
The4thJuliek@reddit
It's hilarious when Americans complain about other countries having nukes when the US is the only country that's actually used them.
monkwren@reddit
The idea that anyone having nukes is a good thing is insane.
ToranjaNuclear@reddit
Well yeah, but it's a bit too late for that. At this point the only way to really safeguard your country's safety is to (maybe) have nukes.
And that's not saying it's a good thing, but it's ironic how selective people are when it comes to fearing nations who might come to possess nukes, even though there's only one country who used it against another to this day.
kirito52999@reddit
Same applies to America one regime rule where both party leads to many suffering around the world.
MooseyGooses@reddit
It’s debatable on how functional their nukes even are, or if they have long range capabilities. At most they could hit South Korea or Japan and I’m assuming even Russia or China wouldn’t be too happy about that
ToranjaNuclear@reddit
I mean, even if Iran does acquire nukes it's not like they'll have the potential to send everyone to oblivion right from the get go either. Plus they would lose support from anyone who might still be on their side as well.
Especially because they know Israel can retaliate way harder than they ever will be capable of.
PapaverOneirium@reddit
North Korea didn’t lose Russia or China as allies when they got nukes. I doubt Iran would either.
ToranjaNuclear@reddit
I meant if they ever used the nukes, following what the user above said.
aymanzone@reddit
All aggression is terrorism. All. of. it.
You don't steel land from neighboring countries, and call it exporting freedom
You don't get to build military bases to prop up dictators, and call it exporting freedom
And you don't find ISIS and other terrorist groups, throughout the globe, and call it exporting freedom
Indeed it's industrial terrorism, to the highest degree
Squidmaster129@reddit
No it isn’t lmao. Words have meaning.
curious_s@reddit
Words don't make reality. If you think just using a word to describe a situation makes the situation anything apart from what it is, you are living in a fantasy land.
abdallha-smith@reddit
Ouroboros or chicken or the egg ect, at one moment someone got to do a leap of faith and undo the mechanism of escalation.
Nothing stop each other to do covert ops or economic snooker but the pounding of chests got to stop because what it needs to be for saving face will kill us all.
PapaverOneirium@reddit
It would be great if Israel gave theirs up. Iran might feel less need to build their own if so.
Squidmaster129@reddit
Israel isn’t threatening Iran lmao, they’re fine. If Iran stopped fucking around and funding every terrorist group they can, there’d be no issue.
PapaverOneirium@reddit
Oh, yeah, totally not a threatening them.
Squidmaster129@reddit
That’s crazy, I wonder why they would do that. Could it be because Iran is launching rockets and funding terrorist groups? Hmmmm…
PapaverOneirium@reddit
Hmmm I wonder why they are doing that, could it be because Israel bombed the grounds of their embassy and assassinated someone in Iran on the presidents Inauguration Day?
It’s been tit for tat for decades. This back and forth is boring and not helpful. But you’re delusional if you think Israel would be happy with the Islamic Republic regime even if they weren’t allies with Hezbollah etc.
Kophiwright@reddit
I was with you on the far-right theocratic dictatorship... up until you mentioned Iran and not the US.
Especially since its responsible for creating the conditions that led to the current Iranian government, the installation of Saddam Hussein, the supplying of arms and training to the Taliban in the 90s.
Seems like someone is throwing stones in a cracking glass house.
Squidmaster129@reddit
This’ll be shocking to you, but — it’s actually possible for more than one thing to be bad at the same time. I know, I know. You’re surprised, but it’s true.
The fact that the US sucks doesn’t mean it’s okay for the morality police to beat up women who don’t want to conform to theocratic religious standards.
FlyingVolvo@reddit
Iran has been relying on building up a coalition of armed groups in the region as well as significant investment in ballistic missile technology and production as a strategic deterrence. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that they will pursue another strategic deterrence now that strategy has been made ineffective, and nuclear weapons has throughout history been the ultimate deterrence.
Does that mean that they will blow up the world at a whim? No. Contrary to popular belief, there’s really not any evidence of Iranian leaders being any more irrational when it comes to their doctrine then the U.S, China or Russia(i.e when the state continued existence is at risk). Is it ideal? Certainly not, I don’t the world is made safer by more nuclear weapons and HEU, but there’s nothing that supports the idea that they'd start using nuclear weapons at the drop of a hat.
If anything destroying nuclear weapon facilities would ironically make it seem even more important to acquire and thus likely to dedicate more resources to it the achievements of the destruction would be fleeting as they continue to move facilities deeper underground beyond the reach of conventional weapons.
Best_Change4155@reddit
I always look for Islamic fundamentalists when I look for people who both aren't warmongers and are very sane
aymanzone@reddit
keep labeling people and one day, you wake up and realize your gov. is funding an apartheid and genocide, and the longest ethnic cleansing operation in the 20th and 21st century, on the planet
who gives a crap about shitlam or mishalm. You are more fundamental than anyone
Zipz@reddit
Wait so you are telling me the government with a supreme leader aren’t islamic fundamentalist ?
It’s shocked you are mad at how they would describe themselves
aymanzone@reddit
After the genocide, and human rights reports, many more people know what is going on. It has become difficult to hide Nazi like behaviors from bigots and extremists groups
Zipz@reddit
Weird how you completely ignored what I said
aymanzone@reddit
Yes, you should be ashamed to be in those circles
Zipz@reddit
Weird my family escaped it but go on tell me more lies about myself
aymanzone@reddit
If that is true, you would be incensed by this genocide, and feel some compassion towards those who are suffering, like you claim your family did
Zipz@reddit
Lol how interesting you’re telling me about myself when you don’t even know me.
How embarrassing
aymanzone@reddit
Yeah, I also ride my school to the bicycle
Zipz@reddit
More likely you ride a very short bus
aymanzone@reddit
Okay, sorry I replied to you so fast and impatiently. And I should have showed some restraint.
I'm not a fan of the theocracy there either (or anywhere) because it's bigotry.
I also acknowledge there is a genocide and apartheid taking place (confirmed by several reports like Amnesty, HRW, B'Tslem, etc) and it shouldn't be allowed in this modern world. We are all aware of the horrors of the holocaust but it seems we ignore all other massacres. We pretend it's not happened.
I hope one day you can return to a secular Iran and a secular middle east where Zionism, Islamic Theocracies, can acknowledge some accountability
Zipz@reddit
Wait so you are telling me the government with a supreme leader aren’t islamic fundamentalist ?
It’s shocked you are mad at how they would describe themselves
Best_Change4155@reddit
haha 80 years of genocide and somehow the Palestinian population is not only more culturally distinct than it was in 1948, it also has a stronger national identity and a population 5x greater that it was.
aymanzone@reddit
This is 297 page report by Amnesty International concluded it's a genocide
Most people would be disgusted to their stomach, unless they are in radical extremist and terrorists groups
Google genocide, no need to put name of country
Google apartheid, no need to put name of country
Amnesty International, UN Human Rights Watch and B'tselem all issued multi-year independent reports, pre-2024, concluding the apartheid system is alive and prevalent inside Israel and in the West Bank and Gaza
Radical extremists don't care about the longest ethnic cleansing operation of the 20th and 21st century on the planet. They shrug this stuff off.
I will not waste more time, this is a "you" problem if you want to keep yelling away the evidence
Best_Change4155@reddit
The report broadened the definition of genocide.
podba@reddit
Political acts of terrorism? It’s an illegal nuclear weapons programme being blown up. Pour one out for the poor civilian centrifuges with their kids and toddlers.
aymanzone@reddit
Illegal nuclear program that Israeli government has?
podba@reddit
Israel’s programme is not illegal because Israel is not an NPT signatory, and had nukes before the NPT was signed, so even if it did sign it, it would join as a nuclear country obligated not to spread nukes while keeping them.
But yes, if Iran sabotaged Israel’s nuclear programme it would not be terrorism, if that’s the point you were trying and failing to make.
Killeroftanks@reddit
which is ironic because palestine is a signatory and israel isnt.
also you point out, israel never agreed to the NPT so its mute. also i dont think it would be terrorism, unless iran sabotages it in such a way where the damage would be costly to human life.
like blowing up uranium fucking enrichment equipment which likely will be stored with uranium, and have uranium inside of said equipment. its about on bar with blowing up a uranium mine, technically its not a nuclear weapon, its just a dirty bomb because the particles of uranium that are in the air is gonna make life unlivable in the area. which fun fact, is a terroristic act.
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
It's OKAY people, they didn't sign the paper!
podba@reddit
Do you understand English? Even if Israel signed the paper, it would still have nukes.
Because it already had them when the NPT was signed. The same way France, US, China, and Russia have entirely legal nukes.
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
So if Israel still had nukes, with or without a line on the paper, why should we consider them legal? Just because they got them before XX/YY/ZZ?
And I had the indecency to scrutinize your claim. Most historians believe that Israel developed functional Nuclear Weapons in 1967, and according to the NPT the only recognized nuclear-weapons state as those who already possessed the weapon on January 1, 1967. So according to your shitty justification Israel still fail to have legal nuclear weapons according to the NPT.
Of course, Israel are free to provide the exact date for when they developed functional bombs, but we can't expect that can we?
podba@reddit
What? There was no mechanism saying nukes are illegal until the NPT. And it was only binding for those who signed. So yeah, getting it before literally means that.
The rest of the mental games are nonsense, because the assumption is actually 1966, not 1967.
Because that’s when US estimates israel conducted a non-yield test in the desert.
So anyway. Hope you learned something new today.
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
So now you shift the goal post by saying that there is no such thing as legal or illegal when it comes to international law?
This is sad.
Read the link. The historians argue against it. I know Hasbara has a tendency to ignore facts and history, but this is just sad. I even posted a link lol.
This is sadder.
Alright, would be good if you could post a proof of that. In my link there's a direct source to a declassified US intelligence report from 1964 that says that Israel lacks a plutonium seperation plant, and that it would take 2 years to just build that. Then they would need 2 more to develop the ability to actually turn it into a weapon.
And I once again took the indecency to fact check you, and the 1966 test is believed to be a non-yield or implosion (and therefore not an actual weapon). The wiki also stated that Israel developed a crude but functional bomb during the 1967 war (which might explain why Israel decided to launch it, now that I think about it).
Why is there always so much falsehood?
podba@reddit
Buddy, until 2 comments ago you had no idea how the NPT worked. Now you’re rushing to Wikipedia of all places for info on something you know very little about, and continue to get it wrong, arguing about a date that is irrelevant, editing your comment to add sources after demanding them and seeing I was right, and you just skimmed Wikipedia.
I’m happy I helped further your education.
Class dismissed. I’ve spent enough of my time today educating you. Come back for more lessons tomorrow.
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
And that is how I know that you have no argument left, with all the falsehoods being clarified.
But to address your parting shot... Not only did I begin with a non-wikipedia source, but I even cited declassified US intelligence.
Further, you mentioned the NPT and made obvious false claims about it, and then made statements that contradict your own point.
Also, there were no edits. And we both know how wikipedia works.
This is the saddest thing, I suppose.
podba@reddit
Sure.
GJohnJournalism@reddit
Are you aware of the ACTUAL genocidal rhetoric that the Islamic Republic has directed at Israel, since its entire existence?
FayrayzF@reddit
Get a grip man, supporting the Islamic republic, a terrorist dictatorship who terrorizes its citizens and the world alike, will not look good at the pearly gates.
aymanzone@reddit
Im not a fan of theocracy and Zionism, but the rules and logic applies to all
Unique_Statement7811@reddit
The US and USSR continued industrial sabotage into the early 90’s.
porkycornholio@reddit
How is this a “political act of terrorism”?
EternalMayhem01@reddit
Like Operation gunnerside.
DepressedMinuteman@reddit
The fact that Mossad is still fucking with Iran's Nuclear programs despite hyper-focusing and targeting it for the past 20+ years shows just how incompetent the Iranian authorities are.
How fucking hard is to get some functional counter-intellgience operations in this country?
You have an entire military branch dedicated to maintaining the integrity of your state but you have random Israelis who know more about your nuclear program than generals in your own fucking army do.
Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, how the fuck are the Israelis still comprising these groups?
Do some fucking background checks. Drop false leads. Tail critical operatives. Fucking something at the very least. This should be priority number one especially after Israel is making swiss-cheese out of your chief nuclear scientists in the middle of your fucking capital.
Jesus Christ man, I swear how the fuck does Hamas of all groups have better counter-intellgience capabilities than the 3rd largest state in the Middle East? Take some pointers from the Egyptians at the very least, Israelis don't know shit about Egyptian GIS.
Orolol@reddit
The head of the iranian counter intelligence branch dedicated to Israelis activities was a Mossad asset's.
pouya02@reddit
Corruption!
bippos@reddit
Probably really easy to recruit among the younger ranks especially the intellectuals like scientists and engineers. Also any woman in general or minority in the country that hasn’t benefited from the regime
Best_Change4155@reddit
Iranians really fucking hate their own government.
milton117@reddit
I read somewhere that a large part of this is because everyone assumes Israelis are white Ashkenazi Jews when in fact 60% are Semitic and look Arabic.
Danson_the_47th@reddit
Tbh, I don’t want Iran to have nuclear capabilities. And its kinda easy to find people to give you info if they’re being appressed by a Theological dictatorship and could probably use the extra money or potential way out of the country. I don’t like that the Israelis have to resort to these methods to protect themselves from a potential nuclear attack in the future, but thats the current situation with Iran.
No_Emergency_3209@reddit
Purchased from "Yitzhak''s fine house of pagers, cell phones, and centrifuges."
MoltenCopperEnema@reddit
Hilarious. How more times is Iran going to be humiliated before they realize no good comes from war with Israel? Just give up and normalize relations already.
RasJamukha@reddit
defending potential acts of terrorism, are we? trump blew up the nuclear agreement so iran was free to do as they saw fit. and now they act all shocked that they went ahead with their program? getting out of the agreement was just a move by the us to "validate" actions against iran, nothing more, nothing less. the only ones who need to give up is the us and israel. their warmongering has been going on for way too long
podba@reddit
Who is being terrorised? The innocent centrifuges?
RasJamukha@reddit
if they are innocent, why put bombs in it? ohyeah that's right, it's just israel's modus operandi
MoltenCopperEnema@reddit
Oh right I forgot what sub I'm on. According to r slash anime titties a targeted attack on an enemy's nuke factory is terrorism and targeting civilians is a legitimate protest.
RasJamukha@reddit
not only did you forget which sub you are on, you also happen to have forgotten the entire history of how israel came into existence and somehow that leads to the idiotic beliefs you have. dont blame it on the sub, it's merely your own ignorance.
Corben11@reddit
How isreal came to be. Let's see. Aw yes, just like 40% of all countries that have been made.
Lost a war and lost the land. Wasn't even it's own country when Ottoman fell.
Pandora isn't going back in the box. Deal with the reality that it is a country and will contuine to be one. 2 million palestines even live there it's the biggest growing population in isreal.
RasJamukha@reddit
so because x did something, y is allowed the same. thats not the reasonable argument you are trying to make so perhaps you should try again. at the same time it does tell me you have no issues with colonisation, wether its now or in the past. what an adult take to have on things, well done mate. if they ever find out how much oxigen you were lacking at birth, let me know, it would explain quite a lot.
and the only reason 2 million palestines live there is because israel illegally occupies the land.
now, any other bs you would like to trow at the wall and see if it sticks?
Corben11@reddit
Yeah why has hamas sent 25k+ missles into isreal indiscrimitaly targeting anyone and everyone and isreal is suppose to pretend it isn't happening.
The British don't own isreal and they have independence like most colonized countries that exist now.
RasJamukha@reddit
ow, we are inventing data now, another favourite thing of israel to do. keep it going, maybe one day you will believe your own lies
BDB-ISR-@reddit
Since 2001, about 30k rockets and mortars have been fired indiscriminately into Israeli population centers from Gaza alone.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/number-of-rocket-attacks-from-gaza-2001-2012
Seems like being ignorant of reality is one of your favorite things to do.
RasJamukha@reddit
and how much did israel send? do we count tanks and such too?
BDB-ISR-@reddit
What kind of braindead argument is that?! Israel isn't firing indiscriminately into population centers. Not to mention it ignores which side instigated the current escalation.
RasJamukha@reddit
IsRaEl IsN't FiRiNg InDiScRiMaTeLy InTo PoPuLaTiOn CeNtErS
and he is calling me braindead, lol
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
It seemed to be very intentional the last 18 months.
BDB-ISR-@reddit
The current estimates about combatant to civilian ratio are 1:2.5 (IDF estimates) to 1:4 (Hamas's numbers), which are in line with previous skirmishes, far lower than the global avg (1:9) and about on par with the US's Iraq and Afghanistan wars (1:3.5).
Try not getting your "facts" from tik tok and reddit.
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
Cool attempt to bait a debate about statistics. We still have satellite pictures of a bombed out Gaza.
Are satellites tik tok and reddit too? Should we not trust our eyes?
BDB-ISR-@reddit
70% of mosul was destroyed in the fight against ISIS (including the University and library). I guess ISIS were the good guys?
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
Are you really going to argue that every bomb dropped on Gaza was necessary and not at all indiscrimminate? Despite the AI-targetting? Despite all the journalists claims? Despite all our videos of arbitrary bombing of civilians?
You know what it all sounds like? That if something was bombed, then it was justified, becuase only bad guys are targets. That's not how things work, and deep down you know that.
These Hasbara talking points are so tired.
BDB-ISR-@reddit
Yes, objective evidence that contradicts your world view can be very tiring.
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
Gaslight more rofl
BDB-ISR-@reddit
Coherent arguments only please.
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
No need, I only need to claim that reality is on my side.
BDB-ISR-@reddit
Well, the numbers contradict your "reality".
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
Our Reality contradicts your numbers
BDB-ISR-@reddit
Then you shouldn't have any problem contradicting the numbers I provided. Go ahead, I'll wait.
Zipz@reddit
Why do you want iran to have nukes exactly ?
RasJamukha@reddit
dont put words into my mouth as a means of deflection
i never said i want them to have nukes. i merely pointed out there was an agreement that made sure they couldnt build any. your re-elected rapist of a president pulled out of the agreement in his previous term, leaving the door wide open for iran to start their program again. and israel willing to put bombs into equipment handling said materials shows how low the us and israel are willing to go
Soggy_Association491@reddit
> ackually i only discredit the action of preventing iran getting nuke so i totally don't want iran getting nuke at all
RasJamukha@reddit
you not understanding what i am saying is entirely on you
Soggy_Association491@reddit
Everyone here understands your support for iran getting nuke just fine.
RasJamukha@reddit
lol
Soggy_Association491@reddit
rofl
warsongN17@reddit
Seems that only way countries can defend themselves from Russia or America is to have nukes.
Zipz@reddit
If anything it gives the west another reason to invade.
Let alone your argument only works for iran. What’s the benefit to everyone else?
cursedbones@reddit
Peace by fear of MAD.
Zipz@reddit
So the threat of nuclear Holocaust for the west. Gee I wonder why everyone is against it
Syrairc@reddit
The threat of mutually assured destruction is the only thing that has kept us from a true third world war.
Does Iran having nuclear weapons provide any benefit for the West and her allies? No
Does Iran having nuclear weapons provide any benefit for the citizens of Iran? Absolutely. One only needs to look at the Russia-Ukraine situation to see why.
Zipz@reddit
Israel’s been in how many wars now since they got nukes ?
Weird how all those nukes did nothing to deter the attacks and wars
BlackJesus1001@reddit
Well yeah that's the point, Israel keeps starting wars against non nuclear neighbours.
Zipz@reddit
Majority of the wars Israel’s been in have been started by the other side you seem mistaken. Including the last two.
On the flip side how many proxy wars is Iran involved in again?
BlackJesus1001@reddit
Weird I don't recall Syria or Lebanon declaring war on Israel.
Or Egypt in 56"
Or Egypt in 67"
Or Lebanon in 82"
Or Gaza several times before the current war.
Snoo66769@reddit
What a misleading and inaccurate comment.
Syria and Lebanon both had militant groups launching attacks on Israel from within their borders, if their governments can’t deal with it Israel absolutely has a right to. They were also both primary combatants in multiple wars against Israel.
Egypt 1956 - Egypt nationalised the Suez Canal and blockaded Israeli shipping which violated prior agreements
Egypt 1967 - Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli ships, expelled UN peacekeepers and began massing troops near Israel’s border for an invasion
Lebanon in 1982 - the PLO, operating from Lebanon, was launching attacks into Israel and attempted to assassinate the Israeli ambassador.
Gaza - not once has Hamas accepted peace with Israel or stopped trying to kill and destroy them
BlackJesus1001@reddit
Syria literally just overthrew a regime allied with Iran and promised peace with Israel, to which Israel responded with a massive bombing spree and a land invasion.
Restricting shipping is not a declaration of war, nor is nationalizing something.
Egypt expelled UN forces after it became apparent that Israel was preparing for an invasion and Israel had repeatedly escalated a conflict with Jordan in spite of Jordan attempting to normalise relations with Israel.
Israel didn't just respond to a militant group, they invaded southern Lebanon in support of their own proxy militants in the region.
Again, skirmishes and minor missile fire across a border is not a full scale war, Israel has in almost every instance except Oct 7th been the aggressor.
Snoo66769@reddit
“Massive bombing and a land invasion” - you guys and your mischaracterisations. The “massive bombing” targeted left over weapons and infrastructure that would be extremely dangerous in the right hands, let alone the wrong ones. It had international support.
The “land invasion” secured positions from which Israel was vulnerable and had been attacked from in the past, and it was made clear it was temporary until safety is ensured.
Both of these things happened before the Syrian rebels said they wanted peace with Israel.
This is false. Nationalisation is not a declaration of war in itself, but Egypts blockade of Israeli shipping through the Suez Canal and the Straits of Tiran was an act of war under international law.
Blockades are considered a casus belli.
This is absolutely false as well, Egypt expelled UN peacekeepers before Israel took any offensive actions.
Also completely false, it was part of the Arab Military Alliance against Israel in 1967, it also, along with Syria and Egypt, moved troops to the border of Israel following egypts blockade of Israel. They (including Nasser) public declared their intent to destroy Israel.
100% a lie. the PLO was not only launching attacks over the border, but also tried to assasinate the Israeli ambassador. Israel supporting the South Lebanon Army was not why they invaded.
Hamas regularly fires thousands of missiles into Israel civilian areas, that is not a “minor skirmish”. They also regularly call for the destruction of Israel and this war happened after Oct 7 - also not a minor skirmish.
BlackJesus1001@reddit
Syria's outdated air defence network was extremely dangerous to Israel how exactly?
Or the small arms stockpiles that were captured by the incoming groups that are opposing Iran, how were they a threat to Israel.
And areas Israel is vulnerable to? Shit by that logic New Zealand is poorly defended and a perfect platform to launch missiles at most of Australia's population, therefore Australia is well within its rights to invade and occupy NZ.
You gotta be getting paid for this nonsense, posting like that for free is too sad.
Snoo66769@reddit
lol yes Israel was not willing to allow any potentially hostile groups to take over weapons and infrastructure that could be used to attack Israel.
Oh I didn’t realise Australia actually shares a border with New Zealand which has been by militants to attack Australia? Oh it hasn’t and you are making a nonsense false equivalence?
BlackJesus1001@reddit
I ask again, how were they going to attack Israel with an air defence network.
Hardly a false equivalency, New Zealand is ideally situated for a Chinese base to launch missiles at Australia.
Obviously we are entitled to preemptive self defence like Israel so we can just occupy NZ for our own safety.
Snoo66769@reddit
Does an air defence network use weapons? Does it carry ammunition?
Australia has not had New Zealand groups launch invasions nor has the New Zealand government historically been hostile toward Australia’s existence. On top of the fact there is an ocean in between them.
If those things were true about New Zealand then Australia would be well within its rights to occupy certain places that were considered imperative for defence of their country.
BlackJesus1001@reddit
Walmart carries weapons, not ones suitable for an attack on a US backed state though. Again with the ridiculous logic though the end state of your argument here is that anything considered a weapon with ammunition is fair game to be bombed unprovoked.
Missiles do in fact travel over oceans perfectly fine.
Zipz@reddit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel
Wow look at all those wars they didn’t start though. The vast majority of them. Weird how you ignored my point
It’s also weird you bring up Lebanon the country that started attacked Israel with thousands of rockets after Oct 7th as a war Israel started.
I’ll ask again because you ignored it. How many countries is iran involved in with proxy wars ?
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
1967 (possibly)
1973
Libanon 1982
Libanon 2006
Libanon 2024
Syria 2024
Do you think there would be any wars if Israel's leadership had to consider the risk that they would turn into ash?
warsongN17@reddit
Stopping Russian and American warmongering
loggy_sci@reddit
Russia is currently at war in Ukraine and threatens nukes as a response to anyone stopping them. So your theory doesn’t really work.
milton117@reddit
They threatened nukes in Ukraine as well until China told them to back off.
Zipz@reddit
And replace it with Iranian warmongering ?
How many proxy wars did they have going on recently ?
warsongN17@reddit
Less than America and Russia
valentc@reddit
Israel has nukes and is way more aggressive than Iran. Why should Israel be allowed to have unmonitored nukes, but Iran can't?
No one should have an unmonitored nuclear program, but hey, Israel just made theirs in collaboration with apartheid South Africa, so I guess that's ok, right?
Zipz@reddit
You seem upset about Israel’s nukes. So it doesn’t make sense that you would want another bad country to also get nukes.
Your argument makes no sense
valentc@reddit
I don't want any country to have unsupervised nukes, but I won't deny their detterence capabilities.
Israel won't confirm how many they have or sign the TPNW (Treaty in the Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons) and have undermined other treaties regarding them.
https://www.icanw.org/israel
Israel has gotten preferential treatment in their access to nuclear weapons that no other country gets.
https://carnegieendowment.org/sada/2024/02/nuclear-weapons-and-non-proliferation-in-the-middle-east?lang=en
At least Iran agreed to let the EU and America monitor its facilities so confirm they weren't making nukes with the Iran Deal, while Israel just gets a pass.
Zipz@reddit
Weird India pakistan and United States all aren’t apart of the tpnw but let’s ignore that right ?
valentc@reddit
Holy whataboutism. The United States signed the NPT, and India and Pakistan aren't even part of the conversation.
Snoo66769@reddit
You just used whataboutism to bring up Israel lol
valentc@reddit
Did we read different articles and headlines? Israel is part of the story. It's about Israel and Iran.
MidnightNinja9@reddit
Maybe it's because they can? If Israel can then why can't others?
Zipz@reddit
So your argument is you want them to have it because they can ?
Great logic
MidnightNinja9@reddit
Well last time Israel got them, I don't remember being asked. Or anyone else in the UN. I'll always trust Iran more that Israel, any day
Zipz@reddit
Israel’s had nukes for how long and has never used them. So I don’t understand why you say they are untrustworthy while saying you trust Iran more.
Especially as someone from aligned with the west
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
They were aboslutely ready to detonate one in 1973, and there are theories that the sudden reversal the US did on sending military aim comes from an Israeli ultimatum on aid or nuked desert.
Zipz@reddit
So in 60 years they’ve only threatened it once and they only used to for leverage to get a deal done ?
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
If you have to mention your nuclear weapons you're a weak state with only one way of having influence. It's the shit that Putin does.
We both know you're arguing in bad faith here.
Zipz@reddit
Wild you have the nerve to say I’m not arguing in good faith
LOL as you ignore context on everything from nukes to Lebanon attacking Israel
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
Your 'context' is the reason you're so controversial in this sub... You ought to have realized by now that you have an astonishing belief that Israel is wholly unblemished and never in the wrong, and that it's the world opinion that is wrong and must be corrected.
Zipz@reddit
Plenty wrong israel does. It’s funny how you have to lie about my beliefs to have a point.
Like I said you are purposely being misleading and ignoring when you get called out for being wrong.
MidnightNinja9@reddit
It's not like Iran wants them to nuke anyone. It's all a security measure. If Gaza was far away, I wouldn't be so sure about Israel being so restrictive when it comes to their own nukes
They're the most likely nation to ever use it in the future judging by their agressive language
Zipz@reddit
Jesus Christ
Again we have decades of evidence to say that isn’t true in anyway. We cannot confirm the same thing for iran.
Let alone you do realize Pakistan has nukes right?
MidnightNinja9@reddit
That proves my point even more. Why can't anyone have an army they want?
Why do we need a World police when it comes to stuff like these when Israel or Pakistan never asked
NewAccountEachYear@reddit
No, it's more:
"If X have it then Y should also".
You know, MAD doctrine?
Paradoxjjw@reddit
Ask that of America
tkhrnn@reddit
How is targeting a nuclear facility of a state that is trying to develop a nuclear weapon to destroy you, Is not acceptable action in your mind?
Level_Hour6480@reddit
I'd rather neither Iran, nor Israel have nukes, but Israel has shown itself to be a warmonger and a nuclear-armed one at that.
tkhrnn@reddit
And had showed to be responsible enough no to use them.
I doubt any current nuclear power will give up on their weapons after Ukraine.
Zipz@reddit
And Iran hasnt with the multiple proxy wars they have going on ?
Harley_Hsi@reddit
Yeah cause fk them Iranian civilians.
Harley_Hsi@reddit
Guys I actually found a bot, check its comment history.
tkhrnn@reddit
What do you mean?
FacelessMint@reddit
In the Israel-Iran relationship, I'm not sure Israel is the warmonger...
Wipe Israel 'off the map' Iranian says - The New York Times
Khamenei explains 'final solution' poster: I want Israel destroyed, not all Jews | The Times of Israel
Khamenei says it would be a 'mistake' to back down from tough approach on Israel | The Times of Israel
Iran's Khamenei says fight against Israel is a public duty | Reuters
Mantequilla50@reddit
Israel are absolutely warmongers, they're actively committing a genocide. That doesn't mean the Iranians aren't warmongers too, but hard to compare the two atm and act like Israel has some kind of moral ground to stand on.
Onuus@reddit
You’re arguing with a Hasbara account. Better to just walk away now before you go in circles with someone with nothing better to do
Soggy_Association491@reddit
When you have to dig someone post history up then you have already lost the argument.
Onuus@reddit
Or just curious as to what kind of person spouting the things they were
FacelessMint@reddit
The things I was "spouting" in this thread don't seem too provocative or even all that questionable, to be honest. Iran has been calling for the destruction of the State of Israel for decades. I'll challenge you similar to the other commenter in this thread... can you find an official statement from Israeli leadership calling for the destruction of Iran? Here's the closest I could find:
Responding to Khamenei, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement that “whoever threatens Israel with destruction puts himself in similar danger.”
You can't seem to argue with my points so you just allege that I'm some evil "Hasbara". Now you double down on it as people call you out for your bad faith behaviour.
Onuus@reddit
I’m glad you care so much
FacelessMint@reddit
Lol. What a joke. Any person who disagrees with your opinions about Israel = Hasbara.
Classic behaviour at this point. Kind of sad for you.
Onuus@reddit
Nah I just looked through your comment history.
You know what you are! Have a day!
Get_on_base@reddit
Tbf flair says it all.
Onuus@reddit
I’m sorry you dislike Ireland
FacelessMint@reddit
And you know what you are ;)
Aromatic_Sense_9525@reddit
The people who supposedly hate slurs seem to love using them.
RasJamukha@reddit
bold of you to assume i have better things to do. i kind of enjoy calling them out tbh. every minute they spend on me, is a minute they cant spread their bs beliefs somewhere else
Mantequilla50@reddit
Thanks for the callout, I do have better things to do with my day than argue with either bots or hyperreligious fascists. You have a good one!
FacelessMint@reddit
I am neither a bot, hyper-religious, nor fascist.
Mantequilla50@reddit
Considering your profile is almost entirely Israeli dickslurping, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you don't post things in good faith lol
Onuus@reddit
Glad to help! You as well friend ❤️
Zipz@reddit
Ahhh let’s just ignore the 3 proxy wars Iran started with Israel.
dgradius@reddit
“Moral ground” is rapidly becoming functionally irrelevant.
Perhaps you’ve noticed, the world is pivoting to “might makes right”.
Mantequilla50@reddit
I agree, that's why I was responding to a comment acting like Israel had moral ground. It does not, neither of them do.
FacelessMint@reddit
I'm going to narrow down on what I said since you're bringing in a lot of extra baggage with your comment that I don't have the energy or time to deal with right now...
Can you find any official statements from Israel's leadership calling for the complete destruction of Iran? Maybe you can. I haven't seen any. It took me about 25 seconds to find those links from the Ayatollah and the Iranian President. They are not the only ones.
Couple this with the fact that Iran funds many terrorist groups that wage war on Israel and I will assert once again that in the Israel-Iran relationship, it seems like Iran is the warmonger.
Equivalent_Age_5599@reddit
Letting iran have nuclear weapons is not a great idea. It's not terrorism either. They are blowing up equipment from the world number one exporter of terrorism not people.
RasJamukha@reddit
if it wasnt a good idea for them to have them, why did trump blew up the agreement, you know, the only thing stopping them from having them?
Killeroftanks@reddit
You do know what centrifuges hold when operating?
You're literally saying it's fine for a nuclear accident to happen just because you don't like the leadership?
That's like saying you don't like trump, so let's blow up 3 mile island nuclear power plant because fuck everyone else
ycnz@reddit
Some countries think it's rude to murder people and steal their land.
podba@reddit
YOU’RE FROM NEW ZEALAND
ycnz@reddit
Good spotting.
iwantsomeofthis@reddit
#NextTimeWillBeDifferent.....
EternalAngst23@reddit
Well, that sounds like Iran’s fault for buying them. Israel didn’t force them to install explosive-laden centrifuges. Perhaps next time, they should take greater care.
FlyingVolvo@reddit
You'd think they would sacrifice one or two centrifuges to do some basic tests like a CT scan and simply disassembling it for things like traces of explosive material for such a strategic component.
itsamepants@reddit
You underestimate how stupidly expensive and hard to obtain these are
FlyingVolvo@reddit
Even more expensive when you're risking to throw all other centrifuges in the facility out of alignment and then making them useless. Besides, CT scans are non-invasive and shouldn't effect performance at all.
starvaldD@reddit
True, they should only buy from China or Russia.
themightycatp00@reddit
Do you think iran knowingly bought equipment from Israel? It's exponentially more likely Isrsel set up a shell company in a country Iran trusts
starvaldD@reddit
True, all the more foolish of Iran.
they need to set up a secure chain with a representative following transported goods to make sure items aren't tampered with.
themightycatp00@reddit
I'm willing to bet the person in charge bought the equipment from the cheapest possible vendor, ignoring all the red flags, and pocketed the rest of the budget.
The dictatorship special
Puffycatkibble@reddit
That just sounds like SOP for government procurement.
saschaleib@reddit
Maybe they were aware of the traps and found after disarming them, these were perfectly fine centrifuges..?
papercut2008uk@reddit
After the Pager thing, they should have known better then buy anything from there.
I'm sure there is a lot of equipment that is going to be similarly sabotaged ready to be triggered. Everything bought that has any ties to that country need to be removed and stripped to it's bare components and examined.
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