Recently hired CFI dilemma
Posted by MeanAd453@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 39 comments
Hello all, I am a recently hired CFI and am starting to realize that I'm not a great instructor. I understand this thread will laugh me out of the room but has anyone had a similar circumstance? Does anyone know of CFI's who have started and quit and somehow manage to land something else and have a career? Is it even possible?
Namazon44@reddit
Not everyone is meant for it even if they are a good pilot
Altec5499@reddit
I don’t believe this to be true. Being a good teacher is about listening and interacting with individuals. Everyone is capable of obtaining these skills. It’s the want factor. If you don’t want to be an instructor and you are an instructor… good luck.
Namazon44@reddit
nope
Altec5499@reddit
Are you an instructor?
Fit-Bedroom6590@reddit
You are still alive so apparently you don't suck as bad as you think. Teach your knowledge and experience and it will just keep improving. Never doubt yourself that is aviation quicksand. Don't be afraid to look something up, or ask a peer, and come to each lesson prepared you will surprise even yourself. Ask students if they understand something if not present it differently. Some day; probably soon you will even forget you wrote this query.
B-707, B-727, B-757, B-767, B-777, MD-80, DC-8, DC-10, Lots of school and enough simulator time to fill its own log book...
MeanAd453@reddit (OP)
How much time would you recommend to study or prepare for each lesson whether ground or flying? I am trying to learn a brand new airplane with very old navigation equipment a bad gps, so that and learning new policies and procedures takes up a lot of my time.
Fit-Bedroom6590@reddit
That is very subjective and depends on how well you retain and can recall information. If you have good basic learning skills and like the subject it will stick rather easily. In larger aircraft ingesting to permanent memory the following is a good start. Check list red box items; understand what they do. Flows that comes with repetition. In light aircraft in the beginning knowledge of basic flight and the physics of flight will always help. Don't over study in a single session multiple times usually works. What always helped me was writing the information on a white board first with cheat sheets, then from memory. Then take each system apart and be able to simply schematic it. In my first FE rating I had no access to the planes as they flew 20 hours a day and were never in the hanger. I studied from photos the most terrible way to learn. The day of the ride I was not concerned about the operation of the machine just the walk around. So at 4 am when the plane DC8 61 was in the hanger I went and assisted my knowledge using a grease pencil to arrow the flows of the plumbing and the names of the openings, etc. Grease pencils work great on aluminum. To my dismay the FAA air carrier inspector went first with me to the number two engine slam dunk pointed everything out and he said, "you finish the walk around I am going on board for coffee." All the great art work coding I did for the rest of the plane was wasted. My partner failed; a professional FE no less, God works in strange and wondrous ways. Ultimately he finished and retired a 777 captain.
All the other nomenclature coding went to waste; many years later in the Pacific I could still see the information like it was new. This comes under the aviation rule the innovator will always out perform the regulator. This was a JFK airline that flew mostly military charters and was absorbed by a major. The difference in training can be simply distinguishable by this; engine outs and serious stall serious were done in the plane at/and over Atlantic city at three am! Stall serious buffeting like seriously rough, OMG was that exciting. I did the 727 the same way and always recall in the Boeing manual it says it takes 5,000 feet to recover from a deep stall. At the major it was all simulator time until the IOE. The rules are always the same, limitations, flows and systems knowledge, all else will fall into place for you. Regarding GPS attack this differently, just simply ask yourself, SELF; "where do you want to go and how do you want to get there; the rest is just input and interpretation. Worry is the the worst enemy of aviators. When you know a subject you wont need to worry and you will display confidence because you have the needed knowledge. If in doubt ask those who have gone before and almost all will be happy to show you how smart they are and that will help you. It is also helpful if you do a survey of your examiner likes and foibles; they are amazing creatures of habit, many giving the same ride over the same course and the same turns around a point tower for years. My instrument examiner gave the same ride from TEB to White Plains airport for 5 years with the same holding instructions. So who needs cliff notes when you have history on your side. Never let fear hold you back stay the course it is worthwhile.
Otherwise-Pen70@reddit
Your CFI is a license to learn and to teach - there is a learning curve and you might think you are short-changing your first couple of students which you are but all new CFI's go through these feelings. My best advice is ALWAYS BE PREPARED WITH A LESSON PLAN never show up for a lesson unprepared. Secondly, dress professionally with a nice Polo style shirt or similarly casual dress collar shirt with nice jeans or slacks and make sure your breath is fresh because you are in a very confined area with your student. Never ever yell at your student during a lesson - PERIOD. Stick to your lesson plan and if asked a question you can't answer, don't try and BS your way around it, be up front and tell your student you will have the answer by the next lesson. I remember when I was a freshly minted CFI and my first student was an Engineer. One of the first questions he asked during our first lesson was to explain the differences in the NACA wing profiles. I had no clue how to answer that question and even now, after nearly 30,000 flight hours, could not explain it nor have any interest in learning about it. I looked him square in the eye and said "I have no clue what or how to explain NACA wing profiles other than it is an engineering discussion best left to aeronautical engineers. He smiled and we moved on. As your confidence in yourself builds, your lessons will be better and thus your students will appreciate you better. All the best in your aviation career
MeanAd453@reddit (OP)
How much time would you recommend to study or prepare for each lesson whether ground or flying? I am trying to learn a brand new airplane with very old navigation equipment a bad gps, so that and learning new policies and procedures takes up a lot of my time.
Otherwise-Pen70@reddit
I would not put a time limit on that because lesson plans can involve complicated subjects while others are pretty basic. Review each lesson plan so you can talk about it intelligently without reading it out loud to your student word by word. I'm retired now from the Airlines and do not do any primary instruction or certificate training (Instrument, Commercial etc). I limit myself to Flight Reviews so I can talk about my preparation. My flight reviews loosely follow Airline Recurrent Training - I start off with a safety Video from ASI. I review the videos (found on either YouTube of AOPA) that I think are pertinent to the person sitting for my flight review. I write down important points and discuss "what could have changed the result of that flight" These ASI Videos always incorporate some Airspace or FAR's that as you know, are required to be discussed in a flight review according to the FAA. If a discussion is about Airspace or regs I spend time reviewing my AIM so I can lead discussions in those areas. The FAA REQUIRES 1 hour of Ground time and I usually use the last 15 minutes of the hour briefing the maneuvers I will want to see during the practical portion of the flight review. The practical portion will include traffic pattern safety and a review of light gun signals (which I always have to study or look at my cheat sheet that I keep in my pocket). So, if I were to guess, I spend about 2 hours of my time preparing each flight review which is what I would consider "adequate" preparation prior to meeting up with the student. These preparations always clear out any "cobwebs" in my aviation brain and allow the perception to the student that I am fully prepared and knowledgeable to be putting on this flight review.
Frost_907@reddit
How recently hired are we talking about? If it’s less than 200 hours dual given then congrats! You’re just like every other instructor that initially sucked at instructing (myself included).
I’d recommend keeping with it for a while longer and let your instructing skills develop. It certainly is possible to pursue other flying paths but why rush the decision to drop instructing? With a bit of experience you might discover that it can actually be quite fun and rewarding.
MeanAd453@reddit (OP)
How much time would you recommend to study or prepare for each lesson whether ground or flying? I am trying to learn a brand new airplane with very old navigation equipment a bad gps, so that and learning new policies and procedures takes up a lot of my time.
Frost_907@reddit
I’d recommend studying enough so that you become familiar with the airplane you are flying but not so much studying that you burn yourself out. Also it’s 100% okay to not know absolutely everything. If you need to you can always reference a manual if a student asks a specific question.
Low_Sky_49@reddit
Remember when you were a brand new student pilot and you sucked at flying? That was okay. Now you’re a brand new CFI and you suck at instructing too. That’s also okay. Try your best. Never bullshit your student. If you don’t know, look things up together. Ask for help from other CFIs or your Chief if you are feeling out of your depth or not making progress with a student. When you’ve given 200-300 hrs of dual, you should be starting to feel more comfortable, will know if instructing is really something you can do, and might have enough hours to have other options.
MeanAd453@reddit (OP)
How much time would you recommend to study or prepare for each lesson whether ground or flying? I am trying to learn a brand new airplane with very old navigation equipment a bad gps, so that and learning new policies and procedures takes up a lot of my time.
Low_Sky_49@reddit
After you debrief a student, look ahead at what is coming up on their next flight together and assign them homework. While doing that, make mental notes of what you need to do to prepare for that lesson too. Sometimes it won’t require any prep work on your part at all. Sometimes it might take a lot. All depends on you.
BrtFrkwr@reddit
Nobody's laughing. We've all been there. Pay attention to your students and don't just go through a lesson. They're all different and learn differently. Ask what they think they need and try to modify your teaching accordingly. You will learn a lot from them.
MeanAd453@reddit (OP)
How much time would you recommend to study or prepare for each lesson whether ground or flying? I am trying to learn a brand new airplane with very old navigation equipment a bad gps, so that and learning new policies and procedures takes up a lot of my time.
BrtFrkwr@reddit
If you're complaining about how much time it takes you to prepare to do your job, I think you're in the wrong business. Every student and every airplane is going to be different. There is no majic system that you can apply to teach every student and airplane, regardless of now much the FAA pushes their "modular concept." You're going to have to adapt to every lesson you teach and use your judgment that you will develop as an instructor.
natethetravelerpilot@reddit
what made you think that you're not a great instructor?
MeanAd453@reddit (OP)
I feel my knowledge is weak, and I'm transitioning to a brand new plane with old navigation equipment and a bad gps, so I feel like I don't even know the old plane I'm flying in or any of the new procedures I should be following and than at the same time trying to teach to students off the top of my head.
seagull7@reddit
Read the into and first chapter of Wolfgang Langewiesche's "Stick and Rudder". You will instantly become a better instructor.
gromm93@reddit
Hah. What's the TL;DR? As much as I've heard the book recommended, going out and finding out for myself will take longer.
seagull7@reddit
The intro and first chapter are the tilder.
LeadSledGirl@reddit
It’s on Audible.
oranges1cle@reddit
Whatever you do in aviation it will take hundreds of hours before you’re any good at it.
I thought about quitting when I became a CFI, when I learned my first jet, when I learned my second jet, and so on. You owe it to yourself to push past the discomfort and if you still hate it, you can have this conversation then.
Existing_Reaction_27@reddit
In my time I’ve realized Sometimes ya just gotta stfu and let em make the mistake
lovely-atm0sphere@reddit
Did you suck when you first started learning to fly? Most likely. It will take awhile to get used to instructing and feel like you’re good at it
redditburner_5000@reddit
Yeah. Everyone.
Sure. Plenty of CFIs have done that. Not flying jobs though. Do you like waiting tables? Stocking warehouses? If you have a good degree, you can go put it to use and do pretty well (seriously).
You're being asked to instruct for two years. People do more time than that in prison and come out to productive lives. It's two years of your life. That's it. I get that two years to a 20-year-old is 10% of their entire life experience, so it seems like a long time, but it's not. It's two years. Two years to open doors to a (potentially) good career that isn't super demanding with a chance to make good money isn't much to ask.
I say this in the kindest, most encouraging way I can: SUCK IT UP AND GO TEACH STEEP TURNS.
changgerz@reddit
news flash, everybody sucks when they first start instructing
G_Platypus@reddit
As long as you know where to find the info, don't lie to students, and are safe - you're doing fine.
bhalter80@reddit
CFI is the only rating your get where you have exactly 0 experience doing it before the ride. It's not about quitting and coming back. Find people in your company to be mentors, ask lots of questions, listen more than you talk and be the best you can be most days
ltcterry@reddit
Look for tips on teaching well. And follow them. Doesn’t have to be CFI-specific.
Have a written plan for each lesson. Share with client. Keep records. Bill for all your time and commit to be worth it.
Ask more experienced colleagues for advice. Recognition is the first step towards improvement.
You can take a few minutes and chair fly the lesson.
Good luck!
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Hello all, I am a recently hired CFI and am starting to realize that I'm not a great instructor. I understand this thread will laugh me out of the room but has anyone had a similar circumstance? Does anyone know of CFI's who have started and quit and somehow manage to land something else and have a career? Is it even possible?
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Overall-Promotion-56@reddit
Honestly you are in Good company. A big red flag is a pilot who knows it all. Being a flight instructor is about always learning. As long as you genuinely care about your students your going to do well. You will learn to be a better instructor, like everything in aviation, time and experience.
jawshoeaw@reddit
Is this a good thread for us all to admit how terrible we all are at flying?
bayarearider04@reddit
Only a PPL but even having the self introspection to realize this means you’ll get much better. People who suck and never get better in anything typically have no clue. Except for me. I know I’m terrible and I will never improve. Don’t be me.
TxAggieMike@reddit
How do you gain wisdom to be a great instructor? Lots of experience?
How do you get the required experience? Making mistakes, failing, picking yourself up, trying again, make more mistakes….
What is the definition of learning?
ThatOnePilotDude@reddit
Recognizing you may not be an amazing instructor right away is a good first step, just look for areas to improve day by day.
Some of our instructors here think they are gods but then slam airplanes into T-Hangars and snow banks. At least you aren’t them.