Haven't built a PC in 10 years
Posted by p377y7h33f@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 132 comments
Been using a Z97 chipset with an i5 and 1080TI as a work desktop. Figured it's time to upgrade and my budget doesn't have to be approved by the wife, so going all out.
9800X3D w/CM MasterLiquid Atmos 360 X870E Taichi GSkill Trident Neo 32GB NZXT C1500 Platinum PSU be quiet! 500FX ATX Tower Samsung 990Pro 4TB Keeping the 1080TI for now
So I literally found out in the last three days so many things changed, I feel like a complete noob, and wonder what else I should know. Like SLI is not a thing anymore. OK. There's now liquid metal? OK. Liquid cooling became much easier, so the AIO was a no brainer. What are the other surprises I should expect without having looked at PC building for 10 years? Thanks in advance.
Neon_Mango_@reddit
I guess that it’s much easier to put together these days. Just some quick Linus tech tips videos and done basically. Plus, it seems like you know what you’re doing anyway so the new stuff is more of just something to know on a “will I be buying this” typa basis.
I do feel bad for not mentioning any surprises so here is one: you can build a pc without any screws now cuz we got special motherboards and parts for it
GreekHazee25@reddit
There’s a screw-less solution for motherboards now? I’m aware of all the quick disconnects for GPUs and the twisty things for M.2 drives, but I’m pretty sure you still need to screw in the motherboard, PSU and fans at least
Neon_Mango_@reddit
Well not the fans. I know of some screwless designs for those too. Buuttt, I’m not too sure about the psu and mobo. They’re probably still screwed to the case. Shouldn’t be too difficult to figure out since they’ve got the rest so if that’s not a thing now it probably will be within the next 2 years.
GreekHazee25@reddit
Ahh okay that makes sense. Wasn’t aware of screwless fan designs, that’s neat. But yea it’s definitely in the near future, the phrase “it’s just like Lego” becomes more true with each release cycle basically.
Neon_Mango_@reddit
Yeah omg I remember when my father took apart our home pc when I was a kid and everything was basically soldered on and unremovable minus like some hard drives or smth. It’s certainly nice and makes it easier to give it a try.
I’m kinda sad now though cuz I learned how to make circuits the old fashioned way as a kid and now that skill sees no use
GreekHazee25@reddit
I know what you mean. I’m prolly a bit younger, but my start in this hobby was taking apart my family’s faulty PS2. It wasn’t reading discs, turns out it was just some debris on the sensor. My dad was certainly shocked when, not only did I put it back together but it also worked. That PS2 was more complicated than any desktop I’ve ever gutted haha
Neon_Mango_@reddit
Damn that’s cool af. What’s the inside of one of those like?
GreekHazee25@reddit
Honestly it’s been a while, don’t even have one anymore lol. But if memory serves right it was a lot of shielding sandwiched with the main board and such. It was the later slim model so a lot more compacted.
staudd@reddit
is that PSU 1500W? are you planning on buying a 5090 down the road?
for anything currently around this is heavily overkill.
p377y7h33f@reddit (OP)
Just trying to make it a bit future proof, with the two 12v-2x6 connectors on that specific PSU. 4070 Super is probably all I'll get, and not even soon, as I'm not gaming with this PC. 3 monitors for work is all I need working, and the 1080 TI does that just fine.
josiahswims@reddit
If you aren’t gaming on it. Then please please please don’t use a 9800x3d. The x3d chips struggle heavily with productivity loads. I would highly recommend getting a 9900x or 9950x for future proofing the workstation.
p377y7h33f@reddit (OP)
When I say work, all I mean is a few chrome tabs, spreadsheets and PDFs viewed at the same time, with a WhatsApp on top at most. Just want the machine doing that flawlessly for the next 10 years without having to touch a thing.
CommonComus@reddit
Like Josiah was saying, an x3d chip isn't a good fit for this build. It doesn't future proof your pc at all. They are actually geared specifically towards gaming. It won't improve your tabbing experience, nor enhance your spreadsheeting. This is like getting a 4-wheel drive option for a golf cart.
imclockedin@reddit
sounds like my kinda golf
CommonComus@reddit
We're headed into the rough, boys. Bring your irons.
thegrackdealer@reddit
It will absolutely do all those things OP mentioned without breaking a sweat.
CommonComus@reddit
Yeah... I'm not saying an x3d couldn't easily do those things, I'm saying none of those things would use the features which make an x3d different from a regular x chip.
UGH-ThatsAJackdaw@reddit
A Camry will run flawlessly for the next ten years, but you're aiming at buying a McLaren.
The workload you describe can be 'flawlessly' handled by a number of chips. The x3d part isnt optimal for those workloads, is very expensive for those workloads, and is in high demand because the part is fantastic for other workloads.
You're a daily driver. If you dont want a Camry, buy a Mercedes or a Bentley. If you're not aiming for a time attack on Nuremburgring's Nordschliffe, maybe leave the x3d part on the shelf. Ferrari's make terrible grocery-getters.
josiahswims@reddit
In that case I would say that the 9700x is your best friend. A bit more productive, cost effective and lower tdp
Salty-Alps-4460@reddit
Depends on the application no? I returned my 9900x to for 9800x3d after reading up on Adobe LR performance. It’s been incredible for me there. I’d research the exact software you will be using.
Mr_November112@reddit
Using a 1500W PSU to power a machine that will be sipping power in the range of 50-400W is like driving motorway speeds in first gear. Gonna be burning money on wasted electricity. I can't say for certain that it will be a significant amount off the top of my head but it feels wrong to me.
p377y7h33f@reddit (OP)
Is it really gonna draw 15 amps while not under full load? I'm in US, so 110v. Seems crazy that modern PSUs don't have that figured out. I'll be checking my UPS as to what the actual draw is. My 350W Corsair PSU is sitting at 110W at idle, and thats with both monitors, according to the UPS readout, so I didn't think going with more capacity would actually cost more, unless it's actually used. Is there anywhere you could point me for some reading on this topic? I drive manual transmission for the last 25 years, so your analogy hit right at home.
Mr_November112@reddit
No it won't, sorry my comment didn't actually explain that part. In an ideal power supply, 100% of the power from the wall is transferred to the PC. Real power supplies are pretty good but not quite 100%, so some energy is lost (as heat). The efficiency isn't constant across all loads though. You can often find graphs called efficiency curves that will show you how the efficiency changes with load, or sometimes the spec sheet just gives you the efficiencies at a few example loads like 10%, 30%, etc.
Here's the efficiency certification data for the 1500W PSU you mentioned in your post: https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/2444/ if you scroll down to the efficiency graphs section you can see that the red/black region shows that its 90-94% efficient at about 200-900W, but at 50-150W the efficiency can be anywhere between 75-90%. Anecdotally, on my 1yr old mid-high end PC whilst web browsing, I'm drawing about 75-80W from the wall. This post reminded me that I've got my PC plugged into a smart plug that measures that info so thank you haha.
However at say 100W the difference in energy lost between 75% and 95% efficiency is only 20W. Even across a year that would only be a few bucks.
In conclusion it probs doesn't matter so go for broke haha. Let me know if you want anything clarified or if I got stuff wrong!
Luezanatic@reddit
As I was reading this thread, I couldn't help but notice you're probably more knowledgeable on this than me as a whole.
But from my perspective, it seems like you're talking about efficient energy consumption vs what's being drawn from the wall and paid for.
you'd have to be seeing some CRAZY differences to actual discern from your electricity bill that your psu is the reason it went up. For most people in any real-world application, this is not much more than fluff.
And i don't really see how the efficiency curve actually affects performance/lifespan of the hardware?
Mr_November112@reddit
Yeah for sure, that's kinda what I realised when I looked into it more. As for the performance, I'd argue that the efficiency is the main measure of a PSU, followed by noise. Lifespan yes I don't imagine it would be a problem since we're talking low currents.
Hopeful-Sir-2018@reddit
I have a 4070 Ti Super. I have an 850w psu. It's still overkill for me.
Really, you don't need the 1500w. Save yourself the $150+ and spend it elsewhere. You'll know when you need over 1000w.
I've plugged in a smart power adapter to see how much juice I'm pulling and... I'm rarely going over 550w playing Cyberpunk at max settings.
Girombafa@reddit
Overkill is not that good. There is a range of the psu that it works better. It sits between 50-80% of the load. You should target that number.
staudd@reddit
as you say brother, im sure it's a terrific piece of hardware
AllMyFrendsArePixels@reddit
lol funnily enough, over such a long period of time you've actually missed the rise and fall of AIO liquid coolers. They're kinda dated now, more an aesthetic choice than a practical one. Current air coolers are quieter, more reliable and better performing than the bulk of AIO while being for the most part cheaper or for the absolute highest tier, similarly priced to a comparatively unimpressive AIO. I say this as someone who has had AIO cooling in my last 4 or 5 builds, I'm not a hater at all... but they've had their day.
p377y7h33f@reddit (OP)
Hmm, i might just cancel my order then, as that specific AIO is the last piece to arrive in February for some reason. Thank you, sir, I will take another look at air coolers.
_lefthook@reddit
Thermalright stuff is well priced and very effective. Peerless assassin is a cheap alternative to the noctua d15 for dual tower coolers.
Personally i just prefer Noctua coz premium brown and beige is cool
xole@reddit
I've had 3 computers with Noctua coolers (mine + kids). I went the the Thermalright for my wife's 7800x3d and my 9800x3d and so far, both have been fine. My main concern about the Thermalright vs Noctua isn't the cooling, but the reliability of the fans is an unknown to me. Guess I'll find out.
United-Treat3031@reddit
Fans are cheap, you can always replace fans with arctic P12 fans for around 10$
Kaptain101@reddit
This guy is a dingus. You can buy an arctic liquid freezer III for $80. Best performance cooler on the market. Better case airflow too for your gpu because you don’t have a huge block sitting above the graphics card stopping the hot air from rising out the top of the case.
xole@reddit
The main advantage of air cooling is it's simpler and should have a lower chance of failure. With the x3d parts, the cooling is adequate with either, so it mostly comes down to aesthetics IMO.
Kaptain101@reddit
The temps will be 10C lower, prolonged heat exposure is what shortens lifespan of components and a lower temperature will decrease the rate of degradation of his cpu. If he decides he wants to do more than just game and needs a workstation cpu like a 9950x3d for example with his unlimited budget, he will need a liquid cooler because an air cooler won’t cut it. Having the liquid cooler allows him to use any cpu he wants with adequate cooling, and have OC capabilities on any cou he wants as well, while increasing the longevity of his cpu and decreasing noise because 3 fans only have to spin 66% as fast as 2 fans. Liquid AIOs will last 4 years or more as well, so lower chance of failure isnt really the case anymore
mario61752@reddit
The main problem is that with GPUs that have a flow-through backplate hole, the air cooler will suck that hot air from the GPU. Otherwise you won't see any meaningful difference.
At more than 10°C below thermal throttling temperature you will be completely fine. OP didn't say they'll buy a 16-core productivity CPU so we assume he buys a consumer i5 or Ryzen 5 like before.
I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion. Lower chance of failure is absolutely still the case because a pump is more likely to fail than a fan, period. While most AIOs will last long a few outliers will not. When they do fail you have to replace them whole, and the aftermath is destructive if liquid spills on exposed components. With an air cooler, the fans are the only point of failure unless you somehow puncture the heat pipes and fans are cheap to replace.
For most people an air cooler is better unless you want aesthetics or you have a flow-through GPU.
Girombafa@reddit
Get a noctua. And forget liquid metal. There are now thermal metal pads. Liquid metal can leak and short circuit your pc
p377y7h33f@reddit (OP)
Canceled the AIO and got the Noctua. Hopefully the price tag translates into more years of operation compared to Thermaltake and Deepcool models for much much less $.
SylverShadowWolve@reddit
it wont. theres really not much that can fail on an air cooler, get a thermalright phantom spirit 120, deepcool ak620 or idcooling a720
mario61752@reddit
Listen to him. Get a dirt cheap Thermalright dual tower cooler. The heatpipes and heatsink will never fail, and if the fans fail they take you <$10 to replace.
2raysdiver@reddit
A 9800X3D will not really benefit from high end thermal metal pads. Kryonaut or MX4 is just fine. Just don't use ketchup. If you have a 14900K, however, then yes, every little bit helps.
TearyEyeBurningFace@reddit
Keeps gan speed a little lower tho
PiotrekDG@reddit
Mayonnaise is fine, tho
Girombafa@reddit
It always helps lowering the temps. Lower temps lead to lower power output by lowering internal resistance and room for increasing the turbo boost.
tldnn@reddit
Just to chime in here -- there's nothing wrong with AIO. Just that unless you have specific needs for one, like a small-form-factor case, aesthetic goals, etc, its just generally easier and cheaper to slap a big heatsink and fan on the CPU and call it a day.
razerphone1@reddit
Not ness true ekwb and alphacool have solid all in one coolers. You can order them at a Dutch company called High Flow. They also sell costom.
And yes some air coolers are also good
Confident-Luck-1741@reddit
These days the only reason to get a AIO is for aesthetics like if you want a screen on it. Air coolers have started catching up to them for a much cheaper price. There actually is this one air cooler by Lampton. Which has a screen on it but it's pretty expensive. Get thermalright, that's the one that everyone recommends.
GolfArgh@reddit
I'm buying to replace my 11 year old rig. I'm going air cooled for longevity since I'll try to run this one through a couple few GPUs as well as my last one. I don't want to risk an AIO failier taking out components.
MadRhetoric182@reddit
This was always my nightmare scenario! I never pulled the trigger.
camst_@reddit
Noctua d15 or d14 depending on space is my vote
AllMyFrendsArePixels@reddit
I (and I'm sure you'll find just about anyone else you ask) highly recommend looking at the Thermalright Peerless Assassin or Phantom Spirit, or Deepcool AK400 or AK620. Any of those are phenomenally priced and perform as well or better than a large majority of more expensive AIO coolers.
Good luck with the build!
GolfArgh@reddit
Deepcool is not an option for US buyers. The company was sanctioned last June for doing business with Russian companies that may be connected to the war in Ukraine.
Sacify@reddit
not rly according to gamers nexus, the arctic 3 beats aircooler even with noctuas
AllMyFrendsArePixels@reddit
You're not wrong; a $70 Arctic Liquid Freezer III 360 with 3 fans at 1760RPM beats a $35 Peerless Assassin with 2 fans at 1500RPM, by less than 10 degrees under full load. Not really impressive for double the price.
The highest tier of AIO are indeed better than the highest tier of air cooler. Like driving a Bugatti Chiron around on city streets with a 20mph speed limit, the performance is there but it's absolute overkill in regards to the usage making it a total waste of money. The $35 air cooler is more than enough for anyone that's not trying to hit 7GHz overclocks.
Azatis-@reddit
The car is not your cooler but your CPU!
Again, depends what you using ( CPU ) and in what extend ( overclocking, benchmarking etc, workstation, mining, server you name it ), liquid coolers makes alot of sense and +$35 is nothing to get simply the best cooler vs a very good cooler. Minus ten 'C or more is a huge deal in many scenarios but not for average joe, there we can agree.
As for saving $35 ... to get the best in the market is nothing when people tend to waste hundreds for mediocre or overpriced products. Our guy even paid for a 1500PSU diamond for 9800x3d...
ShaftTassle@reddit
The PSU isn’t for the CPU
Azatis-@reddit
PSU if for your whole system including your CPU! Having 9800x3d though means low Watt consumption out of the box means even if you buy 5090D 1500 is overkill by default.
So it ok to spend a fortune for a PSU like that but a big deal to get the best cooler on the market for +$35. Go figure
ShaftTassle@reddit
I was being facetious, I just built my 6th or so computer yesterday. My point is that GPUs are the big power draw and we don’t know what they will require in 4-5 years when maybe OP wants to upgrade then as well, so buying a little headroom now isn’t a bad idea.
Azatis-@reddit
It doesn't make any sense to assume he is going to upgrade to 6090 or 7090 and is a big deal to have the best cooler there is for his CPU ! lol
Sacify@reddit
I think depends on PoV, 70$ including 3 fans is cheap af. 10 degree difference under full load is very impressive imho, that only for 35$ difference , yeah that's a hugh pill to swallow with a 600$ cpu and a 300$ m2/psu maybe a 2 - 2.5k 5080/90 , sorry I forgot that op is building a max budget build😆
p377y7h33f@reddit (OP)
Not a max budget. Just something I won't need to mess with for the next 10 years, and still have 4 Chrome tabs open without the CPU/RAM tacking out at 100%. I've always overclocked and squeezed every last frame out of games, but not this time. I'm old, with kids, well off at the moment, don't care about today's performance or money. Just want it to last. I mean on a super small chance that I fire up a game while the family is in Europe, it doesn't hurt to have the hardware, i guess, but I just don't see it. I'm too old.
Azatis-@reddit
9800x3d, taichi x870e, 1500 psu, 990pro 4TB .. i mean if this isnt "max" what is ? I assume you going for 4090 arent you ? With all that into consideration we gonna cut best cooling for $35 ? I wouldn't in your case.
AugmentedKing@reddit
This isn’t the whole story tho. I ran a LF2 240 and a D15S Chromax (to which I added an A15 to so its a D15) on my 7800X3D for six months each. Playing cyberpunk & BG3 as hard as the gpu would let me, and I found the sound to be roughly the same, the difference was in how long it to influence the temperature of the room. I notice it a lot faster on air than AIO.
I could have swore that Thermalright has a dirt cheap 360 called the Frozen Prism or Notte (I’m not sure which is which), sure noisier than a D15 but how do you hear all that quiet when gpu fans are whistling away?
Modern cases across all of ‘em, have a higher likelihood of fitting normal 240mm rads (obvi Arctic is outlier) than a tower cooler (the big boys who can swing with 240s on thermals)
MCFroid@reddit
When was it $70?
This one shows lowest ever on Amazon was $102
https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B0CKXCP1LW
AllMyFrendsArePixels@reddit
idk man $70 is just the price that came up when I searched it on PCPP
4433221@reddit
Because you are checking the ARBG version.
Sacify@reddit
I think depends on PoV, 70$ including 3 fans is cheap af. 10 degree difference under full load is very impressive imho, that only for 35$ difference , yeah that's a hugh pill to take with a 600$ cpu and a 300$ m2/psu maybe a 2 - 2.5k 5080/90 , sorry I forgot that op is building a max budget build😆
Visible-Impact1259@reddit
This are they worse than air coolers? I highly doubt that. Water cooling is way more efficient. The 4090 water force extreme from GB runs at around 45-50 Celsius whereas the other models with the fans see as much as 65-70 degrees. I would imagine the cooling power for CPUs is no different. A good AIO can reduce temperatures.
ZozoSenpai@reddit
GPU is different. So much more heat.
LordAlfredo@reddit
It really depends. The top end air coolers (like Thermalright Peerless Assassin) compete with most 360mm AIOs, let alone anything smaller. The best AIOs still come out on top, but we're talking > $100 like Arctic Liquid Freezer.
2raysdiver@reddit
It is physics, really. a 240 AIO's only advantage over a two-tower air cooler is that it has extra mass of the cooling liquid which can move heat away from the CPU quicker, but both of them cool buy blowing air through cooling vanes totaling approximately the same surface area. Given the same workload, an AIO will keep the CPU at a lower temperature longer but over prolonged periods of time, both methods reach equilibrium at about the same temperature. Likewise, a 280 AIO isn't going to be much better than a Noctua's twin 140mm towers and fans. A 360 AIO has the advantage or having a larger surface to dissipate heat.
GPUs are a different animal. The airflow through the GPU, even with three fans, is constrained and even the most GPU air cooling solutions barely have the cooling surface area of a single 140mm tower. Ad to that the airflow through the cooling vanes is un-optimized and has a relatively small exit vector. A 4090, or even 4080 will greatly benefit from a liquid cooling solution because you can optimize airflow and cooling surface at a minimum and likely have a larger cooling surface than an air cooling option.
Having said that. I have a 13700K cooled by a Peerless Assassin that I have never seen get above low 60s under a heavy load. My 4070 Ti gets a little warmer under load but no where near even 85C, all while keeping fan noise whisper quiet most of the time.
jhaluska@reddit
They're not worse in performance. It's just that the top air coolers keep the CPUs cool and quiet enough that the advantages of the AIO aren't as noticeable. But being half the cost and having higher reliability is noticeable.
Jaba01@reddit
Unless of course you get an Arctic Liquid Freezer 3, which beats out or matches the king of air coolers in all aspects, aside from the maintainability.
But given how cheap they're, not really an issue to replace them after 4-5 years.
lockkheart@reddit
Would this apply to a tropical country like India where it is hot most time of the year?
Asking because that's where I am from and just bought an ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III for my 6 years old build. My NZXT Kraken x62 AIO just died recently.
i9 9900K Nvidia RTX 2080 Super 32 gigs of RAM Corsair 1000rmx power supply Asus Maximux XI Motherboard NZXT H500i cabinet
WormiestBurrito@reddit
This is just an entirely incorrect and misinforming statement.
If anything, air cooling is plateauing because you can only make heat fins so thin and wicking heatsinks can only be innovated on so much. They've pretty much reached a peak.
On the other hand, there's still some innovation left for AIOs and they continue to improve. Additionally, decent AIOs (at 360) will pretty much always outperform air.
Now, there are some real benefits to air, like long term (decade or more) reliability and that they are slightly quieter, however, performance is still (and likely to remain for quite some time) dominated by water cooling.
bushysmalls@reddit
Would an air cooler be competent for a 265k or 285k?
m4ttjirM@reddit
This comment is so far off base and incorrect. The latest gen asetek coolers kick ass and there's much more benefit then just asethetics. There has been no rise and fall of AIO look at all the charts on gamers nexus and tell me what's dominating the charts?
Sustained long term loads AIO benefits. Builds where space is an issue, the AIO benefits. Pumps got way better over the years. They each have their place but there is no "rise and fall" of AIOs. Just do some research and buy some good ones just the same as you would only buy a good air cooler.
bgusty@reddit
Air coolers have come a long way, but even a relatively budget price $70-100 360 AIO will beat virtually every air cooler for temps.
Arctic LFIII, lian li Galahad, Thermalright frozen prism, etc. can all be had for around $100 or less.
They all beat the top air coolers by about 10 degrees, which is roughly a 16% improvement.
Air coolers can match most 240 AIOs. They are generally quieter, and mechanically there are less points of failure.
And for the cost, a $40 Thermalright is the best bang for your buck for like 90% of builds.
But if someone is looking at a screaming hot card like an overclocked 149k, or a 950 series Ryzen, an AIO is still absolutely king for performance.
And lastly, the aesthetics on most AIOs are a vast improvement over the giant air cooler block. You can make some air coolers look decent, but looks also give the nod to AIO.
xxlordsothxx@reddit
I switched the Noctua NH-D15 for the Deepcool L720 and I can definitely see an improvement in temps. Is it worth the higher cost? That is very subjective. I think it is a bit extreme to say AIOs are outdated.
Azatis-@reddit
I do not think any air cooler can achieve what a good liquid cooler like Freezer 3 can achieve but i agree in most cases great air coolers make more sense for the average user
RationalDialog@reddit
That be frank as a long time NH-D14 owner, which I will keep as long as I can get new mounts, they had them for AM4, these coolers have one down-side. they are gigantic so won't fit in all cases and in the smaller ones they do fit, it makes working in them much more impractical.
But yeah they don't really break ever compared to AIO. much better value.
LordAlfredo@reddit
It depends. The absolute best AIOs still beat air, but we're talking spending > $100 on specific 360mm or even 420mm - ie, high cost & space requirement. Air is far more cost & space efficient and plenty for 99% of builds. Custom loop is also still better, but that's a whole different ballpark of cost and complexity.
tycam01@reddit
I got the artic iii 360 and it is huge. It won't fit into a lot of cases
LordAlfredo@reddit
Yeah, Arctic radiators are thicker than average.
Gex2-EnterTheGecko@reddit
AIOs still have some specific uses, though they definitely aren't the best all around option for the average build. I just built a SFFPC and the clearances on the MB made it nearly impossible for me to fit an air cooler that would be adequate enough for cooling the CPU (not to mention whatever one id put in there would probably just be suffocated) but there was enough room for a pump header and to route the waterlines to the front of the case. It also saved me needing to buy a separate intake fan for the front. That's obviously a very specific use-case, though. I also just think they look nicer, as you said.
tonallyawkword@reddit
1500w :O
lol @ “holding on to 1080 Ti for now”. Only playing Valorant and RocketLeague or waiting on 5090/75/9070/80/X ?
InCo1dB1ood@reddit
I am just now assembling my 9800x3d/Taichi build. Make sure you look into fitment with that case because you're dealing with a ATX-E motherboard, not a standard ATX. Plenty of options out there, just something to be aware of. I'm using a Fractal case with no issues.
p377y7h33f@reddit (OP)
I just reviewed my order and there's a typo in the OP. My case on order is bq! 800FX which does support EATX and 420mm AIOs.
Lower_Ad_1317@reddit
I had to keep looking at the Noctua fans on my cooler from different angles to see the fan movement because I couldn’t tell from the sound 😳.
Never change Noctua.
oxolotlman@reddit
I'm building my first pc, but the last pc I got was 7 years ago, so I've had a similar experience. All my old pcpartpicker lists were very outdated, and the cases I liked aren't even available anymore. I ended up going 7600x, 4080 and a nh d15 on a 750w psu. If I had the disposable income, I would totally do a 2017 era 1080 ti build as that was my dream at the time.
geko95gek@reddit
Good spec build, any pics?
Hungry_Reception_724@reddit
4 core CPUs are not really a thing anymore. Your standard Pentium and I3 processor are what I7's were back in the day.
i9's exist
AMD has been destroying intel the past 3 generations (5 years or so)
3D V-cache is destroying in gaming right now
NVMEs are a thing up to 10x the performance of an SSD
DaJohnnyB23@reddit
Man I was just in that spot. 12 years ago since my first PC build. I feel like a lot changed but also didn’t lol. Obviously things have improved over the years but still the same basic concepts worked for me. Aside from one video to install my cpu cooler, I didn’t need a to intently follow a video tutorial. Yea I had to look at manuals to find certain connections but I just kind of knew where things needed to be.
Realistically I should have done much more research cause how my build came about was in a kind of ass backwards way over 6 months so I stuck with intel. Still going from a 3rd gen i5-3570k and gtx 770 to an i7-12700k and rtx 3070 is a huge improvement. Had I done better research I probably would have also shifted to AMD for the CPU. Though cost also played a factor in my decision.
Alekthegod17@reddit
probably wait for 5080 or 90 to come outwich is what i think your doing so its a great build
m4ttjirM@reddit
Going all out no approval needed from wife!
--> I'll be keeping my 1080ti and prob just getting a 4070 super. You and I have a much different opinion on "going all out" lol.
UGH-ThatsAJackdaw@reddit
You dont buy a GPU for your PC anymore. now you buy a PC for your GPU.
Jaesaces@reddit
I personally like the new fan options that daisy-chain such that you only need to hook up one power and RGB cable for each group instead of having two cables per fan. I only have experience with Lian Li's version but it might be worth a look if you end up getting RGB fans.
kjbaran@reddit
Your family of left-behinds is bigger than you know. We’re all both smart AND broke. Hang in there, we’ll upgrade soon enough.
Bortjort@reddit
For me the fan controllers was the newest and most confusing part, so do research on those
Edelgul@reddit
1) Surprise No1 - AMD are the CPUs to go now
2) Depending on the needs you might want to go for a weaker CPU, but with bigger cache (The ones with x3d - they are better for gaming scenarios).
3) Liquid cooling was a thing, but they may leak in 5-6 years. Old fashioned aircooling is still good. To me - aircooling is more reliable, while results are not significatly different i the same price range.
4) GPUs are overpriced, because Nvidia controlls 90% of the market.
5) There is a limited progress with GPUs performance, while games are not really optimized.
So upscaling and usage of AI to generate frames to increase the FPS is slowly becoming the norm
6) Nvidia GPUs have better raytracing and path tracing. Do you need that? You better watch comparisons
ConsistencyWelder@reddit
My advice? For a 9800X3D you don't need water cooling. It's not much better than a good air cooler, and they require regular maintenance and can potentially leak. They're also more expensive and a bit more bothersome to install.
My general rule is, for high end Intel CPU's, water cooling can be considered, for AMD it's not necessary. They run cooler and are more efficient, especially the 9800X3D.
Also, forget liquid metal. It's potentially dangerous for your system and is hard to apply. Just don't. Get phase change pads instead, PTM 7950 (expensive) or the close competitor Thermal Grizzly PTM.
Get a Thermalrigt Assain 120 and Thermal Grizzly PTM, you'll have excellent cooling, no maintenance since PTM lasts years and years (no pump-out effect) and it's relatively cheap.
KKLC547@reddit
With the way you stated your purpose of the computer in the comments, it would be way more economical to to buy last gen stuff then upgrade in 5 years as you will practically get the same performance throughout those 5 years with those tasks tbh. And do you even need a gpu too as decent iGPU can probably run 4k 60 media without a hitch.
You can also just rip off the 1080ti off your pc then slap it in a 100$-200$ used workstation pc and it will run your tasks without a hitch
redwineandcoffee@reddit
You are describing me last month.
It's all the same if not a little easier honestly, GPU prices are still beserk so I bought a used one off a reddit hardware swap and it's been excellent. The advice about air coolers is also true, so I went from AIO to that on this build.
Another thing, getting windows has never been simpler.........
videoismylife@reddit
Lots of good advice here. I'll chime in with, don't bother with liquid metal thermal paste for your first build in 10 years. Liquid metal is objectively better than regular thermal paste....
BUT - if you mess up with it it's conductive, and it'll fry your MB or CPU if even a tiny drop gets into the wrong place. Regular paste is non-conductive, and it doesn't matter if you're a little messy.
Also, liquid metal thermal pastes need to be maintained - you have to re-do it every couple years. Theoretically you also need to re-do regular pastes, but you will most likely buy a new computer before it needs to be done, 7-10 years from now.
And, liquid metal is not THAT much better than decent regular thermal paste - it'll give you at most a couple degrees better cooling over a normal non-conductive paste like Arctic MX-4 or Noctua N1-H1 (my current go-tos). If you're going to overclock or otherwise push the envelope the liquid metal might be important - but for normal computing/gaming it's just extra hassle for no reason.
Finally, normal paste is about 1/4 the price of liquid metal pastes. If you mess up, NBD, wipe it off and do it again; you get enough to do 5-10 CPUs for about $9. Not so with liquid metal thermal paste; you'll get 1 or 2 applications.
circa86@reddit
Literally nothing has changed. This industry is insanely boring.
CurlsCross@reddit
Out of curiosity, why spend $2500 and not get a GPU?
p377y7h33f@reddit (OP)
That will come later, and only if I have trouble sending a 4k movie at 60fps to my TV. Don't see myself gaming anymore. Home computer, work computer, not gaming computer.
CurlsCross@reddit
Then why such an expensive rig? Also the CPU is a gaming CPU.
p377y7h33f@reddit (OP)
Wife got a Lexus that was $9k more just for the panoramic roof. Call it revenge, brother.
AugmentedKing@reddit
All I read was, “I also have the budget for a 50 series gpu too”. Have to keep unnecessaries on an equilibrium, right?
CurlsCross@reddit
lmao
MotoChooch@reddit
Stay away from Liquid Metal if you care about a CPU warranty. It stains the chip to where the serial cannot be read.
TheMythicalPhineas@reddit
9800x3D isn't good for productivity, wait for 9950x3D or i9-14900k. (If you have any cpu intensive workload).
Sleippnir@reddit
As someone who was in your shoes not that long ago, be prepared for a lot of bs led ligthing connectors that you probably won't care for.
deadlyprincehk@reddit
helped a friend build a PC and it took an extra hour or so just because of the rats nest of RGB connectors, none of us had dealt with them before in previous builds
sir_grumph@reddit
I hear you. I built my current PC 12 years ago and am staring down the death of Windows 10 and increasing signs that my machine is, while not on its last legs, in great need of replacement.
It's a daunting prospect. Part of me is tempted to wimp out and get a customized pre-built system.
p377y7h33f@reddit (OP)
Don't, you'll overpay and miss out on the fun of exchanging dollars for hertz! By the way, Windows 11 is pretty easy to install on any machine bypassing all requirements checks in the registry before install. Good luck!
Soft_Rains@reddit
I just did the same thing last Fall! Only thing that comes to mind that you didn’t mention was m2 drive instead of a SATA SSD.
verabh@reddit
I just went from Z97 to AM5 as well! To that point, remember that m.2's are inserted at a 20° angle
p377y7h33f@reddit (OP)
Yes, i found that out on the Z97. Miserable 2x speeds, but the Asus Pro Gamer has an m2 socket.
a4840639@reddit
I just built a similar PC recently but I did not pick the high end mobo and huge PSU like you do. I am also using an old GPU and waiting for 5090. It took me a while to find a modern case that still has an external 5.25 bay (BeQuiet Dark Base 901 Pro) for my UHD BD drive (I do have an external USB adapter for it but it is just so much quieter in a full tower based on my experience)
Fonnie@reddit
The pop air is pretty nice, and a modern case. Mid tower and has two external 5.25 bays.
a4840639@reddit
Yeah, I am aware of it but I ended up choosing the BeQueit one because it seems to be an uncompromising choice. For Pop Air, one compromise is I cannot install an 360mm AIO on the top and there are probably more
Caddy666@reddit
nothings changed exept the numbers.
tycam01@reddit
I am doing the same. (1080ti here) I bought the x870 tomahawk but am having wifi driver issues with it and apparently it is somewhat common. I am thinking of replacing it with the x870e taichi. Heard it doesn't share lans. 9800x3d also and hoping to snag a 5090.
2raysdiver@reddit
A i5-13400F, DDR5, and almost any current PCIe 4x4 M.2 SSD is going to amaze you with performance increase compared to what you currently have. But the 9800X3D will leave you naked and crying like a little baby on the floor when it leaves you for another PC with a better GPU because it is just so effing BORED with what you have it doing.
xxmr_scaryxx@reddit
I just did one for myself this past Christmas, last one before that I did 8 years prior, I think my favorite thing for booting the mobo drivers in the instructions was, "using another computer, load the files onto a thumbdrive" what if I didnt have another computer? I mean I did, but what if? I suppose that's why pc repair companies exist lol
Lucky-Tell4193@reddit
Yeah I have a cheap Thermalright 360 with RGB and I only paid 54 dollars for it
Visible-Impact1259@reddit
Get a seasonic PSU instead. For the MB I would not pick a Taichi. Go with a MSI carbon wifi (great I/O panel). I personally like the Gigabyte Aorus Master x870e. I have that one and it boots so fast (15s-17s) and is really fast and stable. They have been having issues with some memory kids and other quirks. For the AIO I would pick the arctic freezer. They’re cheap and good. For case fans I like the lian li fans. They look good and are quiet. Make sure to get some for the AIO as well and get the hub for rgb if you want that as well. For thermalpaste get thermal grizzly.
cursedpanther@reddit
Liquid metal used as a thermal conductor in PC is a pretty rare case still. The main issue being one can't just spread liquid metal on the surface of the intended component like thermal paste and thermal pads or it's guaranteed to spill out and short circuiting everything else. One will need a specialized containment unit which makes this a very niche solution.
p377y7h33f@reddit (OP)
I won't be using LM because of the corrosiveness over the years even on nickel plated stuff. Either regular paste or the PTM7950, i ordered both. We'll see.