What car is currently at or approaching the bottom of its depreciation curve, in your opinion?

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skyline408@reddit

Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio. They are bottomed out at mid to high 30s depending on condition, year, and mileage. It's a lot of performance for the money. They are amazing driver's cars.

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srsbsnssss@reddit

lol is that bottomed out for an alfa tho

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eric043921@reddit

2020+ is the sweet spot in my opinion

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TheWolfofBinance@reddit

I've left mine for 3 weeks just sitting and had no issues.

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michael-s-@reddit

or change change the battery setting so it won’t try to guess when to charge it xD

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hat3cker@reddit

For quads yeah they're not budget friendly when it comes to reliability. But the normal 2.0 version is no different than other brands like BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, etc.

With a small ECU tune, they can easily reach 330HP. I have a Ti, and it's a joy to drive. If you could get a hold of one, take it to a twisty road, and you'll know what I mean.

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TheWolfofBinance@reddit

It’s a good car get it. I am literally in love with mine

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A new Alfa dealer just opened up near me (San Jose) the announcement of no more QVs, and once the car has aged to the point where more Indy shops will work on them may start to drive the price up. I picked up my 2018 Giulia QV with 13k miles which had a few months left of maxcare warranty for 38k. I don't see prices going lower than that.

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TheWolfofBinance@reddit

All the major cities in Canada have an Alfa dealer, heck mine has two within 25min

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dustygator@reddit

I also have two Alfa dealers within 30 min (and two quality indies), which is why I am willing to buy a QV. But the vast majority of people in the US can't say that, which will always limit the demand and suppress prices. There are many reasons to believe that will get worse before it gets better.

(BTW, thanks for the big comparison post you made a few months ago. It's one of the things that got me considering a QV)

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786tili305@reddit

The value for the money is unbeatable in the sport sedan segment

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WitchHunterNL@reddit

I'm so bummed they didn't make a Giulia Sportwagon

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redspikedog@reddit

I dont see it. I saw they stopped, but so did a lot of more desirable variant cars, but depreciation will continue as dealerships struggle to sell cars. It's not as popular car compared to its competition simply because it looks too much as the 4 cylinder variant and lacks equipment such as the sportier bucket seats as standard, and outdated design.

I say 20k for a real used one at the least. 30s for a decent one. 40 for a very well optioned one.

You have a better bet with M3/4, Especially the CS and competition variants.

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FlorydaMan@reddit

I feel they'll get into 20s in 5 years

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Conscious-Lobster60@reddit

They’re not very impressive, new, they did 0 to 60 mph in around 3.9 seconds and the quarter mile in 12.2. Now, it’s just bespoke-ish FCA lease mobile that is going to debt-bomb the new owner when something breaks.

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cabs84@reddit

loved/wanted a C30 for years. the 6spd

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GarThor_TMK@reddit

same... wanted one when I bought my Mazda 3 hatch... but the mazda 3 hatch was more practical, and like half as expensive... lol

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specn0de@reddit

I’m gonna sound insane here but 2014 RWD Q50s with the 3.7

Ferrari 575 M is dirt cheap now.

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Specialist-Size9368@reddit

There are reasons they are cheap but if you think its the viper tax you don't need to look at exotics.

Much of the parts are cheap. There are some that are expensive but relative to Ferrari, aston martin, etc its cheap.

Major service on my mondial is 1k in parts for the filter, belts, plugs. Viper plugs are under 2 bucks at autozone. Belts are at autozone. Oil filter is 20 from mopar. Air filters are 100 x2. If you switch to kn then this goes away.

The viper tax is cheap skates realizing that parts specific to a low production car are not mopar levels of cheap.

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Specialist-Size9368@reddit

Cheap because they are not very liveable. Many don't have ac snd its hard to get the parts to retrofit. Interior is cheap. Lack of real windows.

This is why the gen 2 rt10 pulls more.

All vipers bottomed out awhile ago and are slowly rising. Numbers are going down as they are easy to total out.

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StraightStackin@reddit

Shhhhh!!! I need them to stay low for a few more years so I can pick one up!

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gluten_heimer@reddit

Ferrari 550. You won’t be able to get a gated manual/NA V12 combo in the 150s for much longer.

Gated Gallardos, same deal. And manual R8s.

W210 E55 AMG.

Early Porsche 991 911 models are falling, and I don’t think they’ll go down much more in the long run. The 991.1 C2/S/GTS-tier models are the last of the NA non-GT 911s. Similarly, 996 911s and 986 Boxsters.

A wildcard pick is the B7 Audi RS4.

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Popular_Course3885@reddit

A buddy of mine has a '99 456M. Funny how his gated manual NA V12 gets absolutely no love from the Ferrari "enthusiast" community.

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2013 to 2015 Lexus GS350. I believe they have hit real low on used prices, and they are genuinely beautiful, comfortable, reliable machines. I bought a fully loaded $69k window sticker priced 2013 GS350 for $18k and I've never owned a better vehicle, and I've owned 40+ vehicles.

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Newflyer3@reddit

JustAnotherINFTP@reddit

how much is insurance?

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Spiritual-Belt@reddit

Nice ones I totally agree. It’s already kinda hard to find one in nice shape.

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caterham09@reddit

Which is exactly why right now is the time to buy one. They are going to be near impossible to find in good condition down the line.

Right now they are being held down by the fact that you can buy a new one, but as soon as it's gone these things are going to spike.

peakdecline@reddit

I'd say in most markets its already a challenge to find a clean and unmodified TJ. Same with XJs.

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tarmacc@reddit

Jeeps by their nature get trashed if they were used. And you may actually want the mods.

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SophistXIII@reddit

Agree, but I don't clean TJs have shot up in price like clean YJs did just yet.

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gtobiast13@reddit

Yeah, TJ is nearing or at the bottom of the curve. We’re now a solid 20 to almost 30 years down that line and 2 generations on, probably only a few years from another generation on. A shit ton of them were made, most were modded in some way, many have rust issues, they’re old enough now that you’ve got to want to commit to them because of the lack of modern driving features / quality.

My one Gallardo Superleggera is worth more than your entire collection combined lmao.

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mystro30@reddit

The C5 and C6 Z06 are either at their bottom right now or maybe on the rise after people realize how good of a value they are for the performance.

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redspikedog@reddit

Its not so much their performance, its the Fn fact that the C6 has the best design of all corvettes.

Whats interesting is that these recent years people have been having different lower end sports cars and then saying "im just gonna get a c6 corvette after this" on video. Or however they mention the C6.

I liked the c6, especially Z06 for its looks a lot, and a lot of people do to, not just for the performance - I don't even know the performance figures and I don't care either because im not really a corvette guy, but if I had to buy one, it would be the c6

Performance doesn't really sell cars, looks do if the performance is already there. E46, E92, and F80 M3's are great consecutive examples of this against its competitors.

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SirRich3@reddit

+1 c6 best looking vette ever.

The C5 looks like an 80’s Batman car, and then the C6!! I’ve always thought they look like Ferraris. In fact have mistaken them for Ferraris plenty of times. It’s a shame they got away from that design template because it was so perfect.

there is no getting around the lack of even an independent rear on the C5

This is a patently false statement. The transverse leaf setup in a Corvette doesn't make it any less 'independent' than an anti-roll bar that just about all cars have. In fact, the coupling influence of the leaf spring is far less than that of an anti-roll bar.

Even ignoring that, in no world does a 2014 Civic handle better than a C5 Corvette. It simply does not. And that is due to many more factors than just the immense mechanical grip advantage that gives a Corvette superior skidpad performance.

They have been going up for a while. You can no longer get a decent c6 z06 for 35k like you could 5-7 years ago.

CndConnection@reddit

Unfortunately I think it's over. At least in my area.

I have been saving for two years living frugally. I'm about at 20k now. My plan was to buy a used C6. They were hitting around 23-25k CAD and it was perfect I was almost there.

Then suddenly youtube vids came out and now every single person with a c6 thinks people are going to buy them used (some with 100k mileage) for 40k+ Cad. It's nuts.

I missed out and it's eating me inside.

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PotatoDrives@reddit

I'll jump on the Corvette train and suggest C4's as well. Later 6-speed cars are just starting to climb and nice examples are beginning to really appreciate.

A teal on white C4 with sawblades is my favorite spec Corvette.

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itsthebrownman@reddit

C5’s are rising. I was looking into them last year summer and they could be had for $10k in decent condition. Now similar condition ones are running $15k. I guess all the old retired folk sold theirs off and only kids have them. C6’s will hit rock bottom whenever the next gen corvette comes out

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Fartboxinvestigator@reddit

Yep came to say this, about 5 years ago was the bottom for a nice c6 zo6 ( 30-35k ) now they are 40+ and climbing slowly

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HelghastBoi@reddit

Check again, within this past month I've seen quite a few back at $35k

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MidgetGroper@reddit (OP)

If they hit $30k I’d seriously consider buying one

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Fartboxinvestigator@reddit

2013 grand sport will be in my garage one day.

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DiscipleofDale@reddit

Easily my fav gen Corvette, but the munchkin situation kept me from buying one. Instead, bought a G8 GXP 6sp. Now munchkins get to enjoy it with me and I get to imprint expensive hobbies on them like my father before me. The cycle continues

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caterham09@reddit

The only thing holding these back imo is the sheer number of them. Not only did they make a ton, but because it was a (fairly) expensive corvette, they were well taken care of for the most part.

The supply of these is going to keep the price from ballooning, but they are always going to be worth decent change.

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Dnlx5@reddit

Solstice GXP

SN95 mustangs

G35 coupes

Rx8

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Odd-Refrigerator-425@reddit

Love my E91.

AWD, 6MT, N/A I6? They're never going to make a car like this again.

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sulaco83@reddit

I just got one of those!

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mydoortotheworld@reddit

Ooo a pre LCI 330i w/ a manual? Gimme gimme pls

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sulaco83@reddit

Haha yeah its been pretty fun so far

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ritz_are_the_shitz@reddit

That's mostly due to the COVID bubble, and people overvaluing the club. Don't get me wrong, the club is a great car, but it's also not unique mechanically, if you bought a touring or grand touring NC2 with the suspension package it is mechanically identical. For what amounts to effectively the same car, you could buy one now for 15.

“Not as good performance-wise as a newer version of itself”? This is an exception these days. Everything new is a small turbo engine and/or a hybrid. Cars are getting worse these days, not better.

Carolina_Hurricane@reddit

E60 M5. I saw a 2008 (refresh year) with 30k miles go for $22k on bringatrailer a couple months ago.

These sold for around $100k new and the V10 S85 is subliminal. Old school analog car that kick started the 1,000 driver setting combinations available

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Adamant_DB@reddit

Biased of course, but I'd like to think that the gorgeous Lexus LC 500 is reaching the bottom of its curve--we found a tremendous deal on our Structural Blue car in '22, and early cars--particularly coupes--have only continued downward.

May be wishful thinking on my part, but it's such a unique car:
•Stunning concept-car looks
•A variety of interior and exterior colours/configurations to interest collectors
•A true GT driving experience
•A riotous 5.0L NA V8
•An interesting development story in partnership with Yamaha that links the LC's lineage to two other legendary Japanese coupes: The Toyota 2000gt and the Lexus LFA
•and finally, that legendary Lexus reliability, now proven out across 8 years (!) worth of real-world miles.

I'm -so- interested to watch values on these cars after the V8 LC is discontinued. I think they're going to creep up. These cars appear on every "future classic" list for a reason, and the ownership experience has been a dream so far.

With that being said, Acura RSX 02-06

Acura RSX coming back as a Cross over 🤮

Toyota Celica 99-06, especially the GTS with 180 HP 6MT, could piggy back of the mid 00s sport compact Renaissance.

Gen X and Millennials tend to gravitate towards cars of their youth and cars from early adulthood that were out of reach

Last Toyota MR2 prices are just about as low as can be 2000-05

Basically anything from 2010+ that is interesting, were at the bottom with some mid 00s outliers

Once a car is 10-15 years old, that's the bottom. 20-25 is when nostalgia hits, the tide turns

It's definitely not equal either in terms of what is "cool"

Once it's trendy, it's out of reach

Low mileage early 2000’s sport sedans. E55 AMG, RS6, M5, 9-3 Viggen, S60R.

First gen R8’s

First gej 86’s

C6 Z06

Pretty much anything the was considered fast or unique in the 15-20 year age range

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lowstrife@reddit

997 or 987 Porsche. 996\986 is there too, but will always be less desirable due to aesthetics despite being 90% of the same driving experience.

ItsCusImBatman@reddit

Just curious do you like your Aston Martin better overall or f80? Perhaps that’s a bad comparison im just curious

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fabricofeverything@reddit

The Aston Martins are incredible cars for the money

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SoundPilot2@reddit

The B8.5 generation Audi RS5.

From my personal experience in dealing with Volvos on a regular basis:

Any and all Volvo P80 chassis cars. This is 850 Turbos, V70R (first Gen) C70 Coupe (with the High Pressure Turbo), S70, etc. There are good and bad spec ones out there, but if you want to get into something turbo with good aftermarket and easy to source parts from the junkyard, these are it. You can find them with manuals fairly easily, and you can also salvage manuals from NA cars and bolt them into a turbo. (Whole manual cars can be had for less than $800 as a parts car if you scour marketplace). Only outlier are proper 850Rs and T5Rs which have a cult following and have held their value better.
Volvo 960 / S90 / V90. Okay these arent really "enthusiast" cars in their stock form since they were more the luxury option vs the 940 at the time. The second gen ran from 95-98 and have a very reliable and easy to work on straight 6 paired to an aisin 4 speed auto. Very comfy, can tow, can carry a ton of stuff inside and can be had dirt cheap. Fun RWD bricks that are genuinely worth NOTHING right now. Manual swaps are documented, T6 turbo motor heads from an S80 can be put onto the stock block to make them very rowdy. Downside is much of the suspension components are getting harder to source due to the small window of production run. Can be found running and driving for ~$2000 in good to decent condition, the wagons command a slight premium over the sedan.
Volvo P2 Chassis Cars: Lots of options and cheap cars to be found here. This is the S60, V70, XC70 and XC90 from the early 2000s. Most T5 S60 and V70s can be easily modified, some were offered with a 6 speed manual. R motors being swapped into XC70s gives you an OEM+ style rally car. V70Rs have held their value but S60Rs are very cheap (however not recommended for beginners since they are quite maintenance intense now with their age). The XC90 might not seem like a fun enthusiast car, and most of them are in pretty poor spec (ingnore almost all T5 and T6 variants of these). 2007-2010 V8 XC90s have a Yamaha 4.4 engine, which has a few maintenance items but are overall extremely reliable motors, make good power, and plenty of R Design and Sport package exterior and interior parts can be found for them to make them look pretty classy. They make great tow vehicles if you need something to bring your track tow to and from the track without the inflate cost of a body on frame truck.

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pretendviperpilot@reddit

S197 Coyote Mustangs. There were some really great ones too like the boss302. Only downside is they still have a live axle but it can be tamed well with less than 2k in suspension mods.

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MidgetGroper@reddit (OP)

I owned one of these for a couple of years. The only shortcoming imo is the stupid MT-82 transmission

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DrunkenReindeer@reddit

You could get an earlier one and then the only shortcoming is the 3V.

I love mine. It sounds great. It's dog shit slow.

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pretendviperpilot@reddit

Well you have the other one for zoom zoom :)

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RyanOfTheVille@reddit

Is the Tremec an expensive swap? I see so many complaints about the MT82, surely there is a solution?

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MidgetGroper@reddit (OP)

I looked into it and I think it was like $6k in parts at the time if I remember correctly. Could be different now

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pretendviperpilot@reddit

A big part of the issue was the shifter and the way it was mounted. It used a very flimsy and flexible mount and the shifter would wiggle around . I replaced the mount with a billet one and added a weighted shift knob and it totally fixed the feel.

I find it wild that I had to scroll this far to find V8 vantages. They've been flat at 40K USD for 5 years now, and journalists have been singing their praises, I feel like at some point we're going to see these pop off. And I want one before that happens

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NotSoSpeedy1@reddit

2016 Mercedes AMG GT S with less than 20k miles getting about $70k down from $140k new. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2016-mercedes-amg-gt-s-61/

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ritz_are_the_shitz@reddit

I think these are going to drop to 50 or lower. They made a lot of them, and there's a bunch of trims that aren't the special one. At least, I hope so. I would love to buy a GT for 50.

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ChattanoogaMocsFan@reddit

4th gen FBody. LS1 reliability and t56 6-speed manuals especially.

C5 RS6. Clean examples can be had for well under $20k and I really don’t see the price going much lower than that

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o0gy172@reddit

Panther bodies. Not exactly a performance vehicle, but with decent aftermarket support, a few enthusiast owners, and a lot of keyboard mechanics, the days of $1k beater Crown Vics and Craigslist grandma specials are long gone. A clean, sub-100k mile Grand Marquis will run you at least $5k, and a clapped out (but running) ex-police interceptor with 4 previous owners will be at least $2k. Don't get me wrong, these cars are still incredibly cheap and probably won't appreciate much, but I don't really see them depreciating any farther.

written by a delusional Grand Marquis owner

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GD_American@reddit

Saab Turbo X. Only 600 sold in the states.

Niche model from a niche (dead) brand, so they don't carry much of a premium over a 9-3 from the same era. But they're a neat story, carry a little more horsepower, and have some really nifty wheels.

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BakerOfBread2@reddit

Mk 3 Supras. I think they've started to come up recently but sn95 mustangs.

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Weak-Specific-6599@reddit

I’d like an Alfa 4C someday. I am hoping they will come down a bit more as I save, but I feel like the limited quantity will keep values about where they are.

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BlackDS@reddit

Things from the late 2000s and early 2010s.

Low mileage mid/late '00s Mercedes -65 AMG models