Starship Flight 7 breakup over Turks and Caicos
Posted by CombatCloud@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 561 comments
Posted by CombatCloud@reddit | aviation | View on Reddit | 561 comments
qejfjfiemd@reddit
Yet we would get fined for littering.
Accomplished-Crab932@reddit
The traditional approach for rockets is disposal in the sea. Starship is one of 2 rockets from the US specifically being designed to dispose of nothing.
FblthpLives@reddit
I have read reports of debris landing on the ground in the Turks and Caicos. If it landed in inhabited areas, then that is something the FAA will look at very closely and will likely delay Starship Block 2 for some time.
Accomplished-Crab932@reddit
I would dispute the debris falling in that region given the vehicle’s trajectory at breakup, but I agree that it will take time to investigate and tweak.
FblthpLives@reddit
This is from one of the pilots who filmed the debris field and then had to divert for fuel: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1i34dki/starship_blew_up_in_front_of_us_had_to_divert/m7kgrvn/
ScapedOut@reddit
Great bro source, dude
FblthpLives@reddit
The FAA has now grounded Starship due to reported property damage on Turks and Caicos: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/17/faa-grounds-spacex-starship-reports-property-damage-in-caribbean.html
fighter-bomber@reddit
“grounded Starship due to reported property damage” can be kind of misleading. FAA would ground them after this incident regardless of there was any property damage or not, because the rocket exploded mid ascent (due to the FTS, but then again something happened that caused it) Same thing with any (even minor) incident during a commercial flight.
The reports of “property damage” are yet to be confirmed, they are being investigated right now.
FblthpLives@reddit
There are specific requirements for what triggers an FAA mishap investigation under 14 CFR Part 450. One of them is "impact of hazardous debris outside of defined areas." Others are "unplanned permanent loss of the vehicle" and "failure to complete a launch or reentry as planned." But a minor incident that does not result in a complete failure or creates a safety hazard does not trigger a mishap investigation.
In this case, both "impact of hazardous debris outside of defined areas" and "unplanned permanent loss of the vehicle" apply, so it is a no-brainer.
fighter-bomber@reddit
Uhh… what the fuck is your point exactly? How does that even relate to mine?
The issue is, “unplanned permanent loss of vehicle” already applies. So FAA would not check debris fields before grounding.
Meaning, you cannot use the FAA grounding as proof that debris did indeed hit those areas. Those reports are still uninvestigated reports… there is no proof that you can talk about so surely. The reports must be investigated for sure. We cannot definitively say yes or no beforehand.
But the FAA grounding is no proof of it. Except you are taking it as such.
FblthpLives@reddit
You claim that even minor incidents during a commercial flight trigger a mishap investigation. That is simply false. It's obvious you are not motivated by facts, evidence, or any insight into how AST operates.
We're done. Enjoy our mental masturbation.
FblthpLives@reddit
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, I am guessing you are, but he is a commercial pilot and he was without doubt at the airport.
Accomplished-Crab932@reddit
And if this were true, there would be more than just Reddit comments, the news would be reporting on this directly.
The fact is, the debris we see is around 70-100 km up at that point, as the ship’s parts had just entered peak heating. Not only are the remains traveling too fast (expected to average around 6000 km/h, but the vast majority of the surviving material is quite dense and will have a really small ballistic coefficient.
Aircraft were rerouted as the hazard zone was activated after the breakup, and planes were flying under the assumption that the zone would not activate as any issues would arise would trigger an abort prior to the point where the hazard zone would be activated… which is standard for all launches. In this case, the assumption proved to be wrong.
qejfjfiemd@reddit
I mean, we're looking at the same video here right?
Accomplished-Crab932@reddit
Yes.
100 tonnes of Stainless Steel is not going to create any issues. In many cases, similar materials are dumped in the ocean to stimulate the growth of reefs.
And again, if we did that, we would also have to fine literally everyone else in the market… and there’d be no way to clean that up given there’s no way to avoid eventual reentry of parts.
nottoowhacky@reddit
Failure is inevitable to make progress. Looking forward to the next launch.
FblthpLives@reddit
Raining debris over populated areas is not inevitable. That is not supposed to happen.
fighter-bomber@reddit
“Raining debris” part is inevitable and is part of the regular operating procedure for anyone that is not SpaceX; as for the “populated areas”, the nominal Starship flight trajectory does not carry them over populated areas but in the Caribbean it has to cross a very thin needle between populated islands.
Anyhow, the only way for them to avoid this is launching from KSC or Cape Canaveral or Vandenberg, but none of them have the necessary facilities to support this launch. Plus, I don’t think NASA and the USAF would like SpaceX experimenting that booster catch with their towers. So that leaves Boca Chica as the only possible launch site.
Since these are all test flights, this sort of an incident may happen (with a higher probability than a commercial launch) even though they would try to avoid it. Therefore FAA doesn’t seek a definite guarantee that nothing bad would occur (they literally destroyed their launch pad in IFT-1) but allows them to launch if the probability is low enough, and if something like this occurs they would then demand an investigation into why it happened and what is done to prevent it from happening again. But then again, that grounding occurs every time after an incident during a commercial launch, not like they have anything specifically against SpaceX because of this.
FblthpLives@reddit
There are specific requirements for what triggers an FAA mishap investigation under 14 CFR Part 450. One of them is "impact of hazardous debris outside of defined areas", which the FAA has confirmed applied to this launch. Others are "unplanned permanent loss of the vehicle" and "failure to complete a launch or reentry as planned." But a minor incident that does not result in a complete failure or creates a safety hazard does not trigger a mishap investigation.
fighter-bomber@reddit
Yes, “permanent loss of vehicle” already applied. Hence the FAA grounding is not a proof that the “raining debris over populated areas” part occured. They ground şt because it exploded.
I also explain how this cannot be avoided due to launch location, but you seemingly are unable to produce anything against that. That, or just unable to comprehend that part.
FblthpLives@reddit
The FAA specifically mentions reported property damage in its statement declaring the need for a mishap investigation. That is how we know it's a motivating factor.
Debris should not be falling outside the designated hazard area regardless. You are confusing two separate issues. Trust me when I say JSpOG doesn't operate on the principle "shit happens."
JoelMDM@reddit
Good thing this wasn't raining over any populated areas.
The warning area did pass by several island, but it didn't go over any of them. And altitude matters, a lot.
When something is 150km high up, traveling at over 20000kph, that debris won't just fall straight down. Something that high up will also look as if it's overhead, even when it's actually quite far downrange.
FblthpLives@reddit
Except it did, just as I said. Starship has been grounded due to property damage: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/17/faa-grounds-spacex-starship-reports-property-damage-in-caribbean.html
JoelMDM@reddit
Every rocket gets grounded after an incident outside it's mission parameters occurs, so that's not at all unusual.
As for the reports of property damage, they're just reports. It's pretty useless to speculate about their validity until we either see some clear pictures ourselves, or just until the investigation concludes.
FblthpLives@reddit
That is not true at all. A commercial launch licensed under 14 CFR Part 450 only requires a mishap investigation if certain specific safety criteria are violated. One of the criteria is "impact of hazardous debris outside of defined areas", which is almost certainly what triggered the investigation here.
If a commercial space operator launches a vehicle and it self-destructs but no safety criteria are violated, no mishap investigation is required. The operator will of course conduct its own engineering analysis, but no FAA investigation is mandatory.
nottoowhacky@reddit
Calculated. The debris from starship fell into the Atlantic Ocean within the designated hazard area👍🏾
FblthpLives@reddit
What is your source for this information?
Priton-CE@reddit
There are pictures going around from what looks like the SpaceX website but I was only about to find a "it should not have gone outside its flight path and therefore no debris should have landed outside the hazard areas" https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-7
FblthpLives@reddit
I think the most accurate thing we can say right now is we don't know and we need to wait for more information. This was the first major test for the FAA's Space Data Integrator system that manages launches and the Joint Space Operations Group that runs it.
Priton-CE@reddit
Definitely. Especially since the only party that has talked on this yet is SpaceX themselfs.
FblthpLives@reddit
The FAA has now grounded Starship due to property damage on Turks & Caicos: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/17/faa-grounds-spacex-starship-reports-property-damage-in-caribbean.html
FblthpLives@reddit
So this has now been verified to be false and SpaceX has removed that claim from its web site.
Priton-CE@reddit
The FAA has claimed that debris went down outside the hazard areas. Source
SpaceX has since removed their claim that all debris went down inside the hazard areas. Source
Priton-CE@reddit
There was no hazard area.
The hazard area is only near the launch site and is designated for the booster. There is a NOTAM which is a notice to pilots.
The debris just missed some of the islands down there. If it lost propulsion earlier by having a more severe leak in its fuel lines it may have very well hit a population center.
Priton-CE@reddit
Thats true. But SpaceX is deliberately trying to fail buy making the vehicle as experimental as possible.
Their iterative design philosophy is getting quite dangerous as is apparent here. Compare that with new Glenn who made it into orbit first try and then splashed their booster over empty sea.
w1lnx@reddit
Hmm... are you sure it's not drones?
(is that still a thing?)
Cielo11@reddit
They are slowly getting bored of seeing the same lights every night... Near Airports and in the vicinity of known airplane landing patterns.
LargeDietCokeNoIce@reddit
I dunno. Gives the concrete impression development is not taking appropriate care. Sure space flight is risky and NASA has had their missteps but these SpaceX ships explode with alarming frequency if they’re gonna carry people
mfb-@reddit
Their operational rockets have failed once in 372 missions (Falcon 9 Block 5) and never in 11 missions (Falcon Heavy), respectively.
"Alarming frequency"!
Starship is in development, accidents are not impossible.
FblthpLives@reddit
It is much too early to conclude this. We have no idea yet if the debris fell within the debris hazard areas. I have read reports of their being debris on the ground in the Turks and Caicos. If it landed in inhabited areas, then that is something the FAA will look at very closely and will likely delay Starship Block 2 for some time.
mfb-@reddit
Where?
FblthpLives@reddit
One of the pilots who filmed the debris and had to divert for fuel: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1i34dki/starship_blew_up_in_front_of_us_had_to_divert/m7kgrvn/
mfb-@reddit
I don't interpret that as report of metal hitting the ground. If that were "everywhere", or even remotely common, you would see it all over the news.
FblthpLives@reddit
That's possible. He has another post that says "There was metal on the ground at the airport."
mfb-@reddit
And no one reports it?
[x] doubt
FblthpLives@reddit
All I said was I saw reports, or at least one report, from a credible source who was on location. It's still very early. We'll see what comes out as the investigation proceeds.
mfb-@reddit
I don't think a random redditor is a credible source.
FblthpLives@reddit
The source is one of the pilots who shot footage of the debris field and who was one of the aircraft forced to make a fuel diversion to MYEF. He landed at Turks & Caicos a few hours after the event and he is still there. Given the low likelihood of having both observed the debris field and then be on the ground on Turks & Caicos a few hours later is literally the opposite of "random."
mfb-@reddit
The only thing we can actually verify is that they posted that video of the debris in the air. Everything else is just their claims. You can find people making up the wildest nonsense on reddit.
We had videos of the debris within minutes, and you think pictures of debris that hit cars or the airport wouldn't appear anywhere online after almost a day? No one else on the islands has internet access, even though they are a tourist hot-spot? The alternative - it's made up - is far more plausible.
Dense_Magician_9708@reddit
Well you were wrong.
mfb-@reddit
What was I wrong about?
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/spacex-starship-debris-littered-islands-turks-caicos-rcna188223
Certainly the "debris everywhere" claim by that reddit user wouldn't be reported as "only minimal damages".
Dense_Magician_9708@reddit
"We had videos of the debris within minutes, and you think pictures of debris that hit cars or the airport wouldn't appear anywhere online after almost a day? No one else on the islands has internet access, even though they are a tourist hot-spot? The alternative - it's made up - is far more plausible."
No I take issue to your claim that there was no debris landing at all before even a report came out. That its made up only because nobody filmed it mere minutes upon landing. What kind of logic is that?
I don't pay attention to those "wild claims".
mfb-@reddit
I didn't say there was no debris landing anywhere. I said that I didn't believe the claims by this redditor. And I'm still very skeptical about their claims.
If I claimed to have seen a city-sized spacecraft to hover over New York an hour ago, wouldn't you be skeptical? You would rightfully point to the lack of online coverage of this phenomenon.
fighter-bomber@reddit
Not yet, there is not anything confirmed about the reports just yet, they are being investigated.
FblthpLives@reddit
And there we have it: The FAA has grounded Starship due to property damage on Turks & Caicos: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/17/faa-grounds-spacex-starship-reports-property-damage-in-caribbean.html
mfb-@reddit
It has grounded Starship because it exploded. It would have grounded it with an explosion far out over the Atlantic, too. The reports of minor property damage didn't change that.
FblthpLives@reddit
You are correct that any unplanned permanent loss of the vehicle results in a mishap investigation. However, in its statement announcing the required mishap investigation, the FAA specifically calls out the property damage and debris falling outside of the identified closed aircraft hazard areas.
If there is property damage in inhabited areas, there is also a safety risk to human life. I think you underestimate how seriously the FAA is taking this incident.
In addition to the safety risk caused by the debris, there is another factor: Several aircraft had to declare an emergency and divert to San Juan, passing through the active Debris Response Area in the process. One of them was an Iberia airlines flight which landed with only 50 minutes of fuel remaining.
FblthpLives@reddit
I have never said his claim is true or that it has been verified. I have said a pilot has reported that there was debris on the ground and that this is not just a "random redditor."
It has not even been 24 hours yet. When the FAA announces all debris was safely contained, I will be convinced that is in fact what happened.
Bits2LiveBy@reddit
what was on this ship?
FblthpLives@reddit
Nothing. It was a test flight.
cookiemassacre25@reddit
This is a massive disregard for airspace safety on the part of Space X. FAA reporting that debris was outside of the launch corridor causing a temporary closure of the airspace and diverting of several flights. In one instance a flight needed to declare an emergency for low fuel and enter the closed airspace.
FblthpLives@reddit
The diversions were due to a pre-planned debris response area activated by the FAA, not because the "debris was outside of the launch corridor." I am aware of one flight where the crew notified controllers that it did not have a lot of fuel margin, but not of an aircraft declaring an emergency. Where is that information coming from?
cookiemassacre25@reddit
Live ATC, In order to enter the closed airspace an emergency needed to be declared. Mayday was declared for low fuel. 4:52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT11EpINk5c
FblthpLives@reddit
I found this information subsequently, but thank you. It turns out that one of the diverting aircraft, from Iberia airlines, landed with only 50 minutes of fuel remaining.
slutty_muppet@reddit
This dystopian hellscape does have some pretty visuals sometimes.
Character-Map-6080@reddit
That's a genshin wish. Somebody got his 5 star
Rodgerexplosion@reddit
Are we going to Mars yet?
15_Redstones@reddit
This incident is probably a 1-2 months delay (they already have the next prototype almost done) so still plenty of margin to make the late 2026 window when the planets align again. Refueling test is now scheduled for late 2025, which gives them almost a year of margin.
FblthpLives@reddit
Somewhere I have a post documenting the half dozen times Elon Musk has said "we are putting a man on Mars by YYYY", where the year keeps changing every time.
15_Redstones@reddit
Original plan from 2016 was first cargo 2022 if absolutely everything goes right, which it probably wouldn't. After they had to scrap the progress on carbon fiber in 2019 the target if things go well was 2024. Now target is 2026 with plenty of margin left. At the rate delays are happening, there's a good chance to make 2026, otherwise it'll be 2029. Transfer windows to Mars don't happen that often.
FblthpLives@reddit
Oh, it predates 2016 by at least a decade:
"I'll put a man on Mars in ten years" -- Elon Musk, Wall Street Journal interview, April 2011
His most absurd claim was his 2019 version, when he claimed he could launch in two to four years: "Sending crews to Mars in four years, I think that, that sounds pretty doable. Like, internally, we would aim for two years, and then reality might be four." -- Elon Musk, CBS Sunday Morning, June 21, 2019
15_Redstones@reddit
June 2019 was just before the big carbon fiber setback. By December they were welding steel.
FblthpLives@reddit
Yes, I'm sure that was the only issue preventing Musk from launching for Mars in a two-year period.
korkythecat333@reddit
Chat Gpt on the issue - "Yes, most experts agree that a manned mission to Mars is likely at least 20 years away, with many aiming for the 2040s or 2050s. This timeline depends on several factors, including advancements in technology, funding, international cooperation, and the development of life support systems, propulsion methods, and habitats suitable for the harsh Martian environment.
NASA's Artemis program, which aims to return humans to the Moon by the late 2020s, is often seen as a stepping stone for future Mars missions. Companies like SpaceX are also working on technologies such as Starship, which could help facilitate manned missions to Mars, though they face similar challenges."
FblthpLives@reddit
You're not wrong, but fuck AI.
alexefra@reddit
That looks really close I’m guessing it’s not tho. Cool video
MiniBrownie@reddit
the airspace still hasn't recovered from the mess this caused. San Juan is full, parking planes on taxiways and cannot accept more planes. Lots of diversions, there was even an emergency that was told to cross the debris field "at their own risk"
FlamingoFlamboyance@reddit
Spacex should be fined for this?? Substantially? If your business shoots shit into space you should have the liability to deal with negative outcomes like this
elsuperrudo@reddit
Are you asking or telling? You've got some oddly placed question marks there.
FlamingoFlamboyance@reddit
Not my best work.
Haunting-War-9811@reddit
How much do you think made is to earth ?
It was 190km in altitude travelings 24890km/hr mach 20.
Hitting the atmosphere at that speed turns everything into vapor.
I'm they won't even recover a bolt.
xomm@reddit
There's heat shield tiles and other debris washing up on the beaches from what I've seen.
Re-entry doesn't magic away the debris, there's a reason operators usually aim satellite deorbits and whatnot for remote parts of the ocean. (Obviously this one wasn't intentional.)
Verneff@reddit
There was an exclusion area set out for the flight. Not sure the exact method of enforcement since apparently the exclusion area needed to be called out when communication was lost with the second stage.
astrorican6@reddit
SJU closed bc of a pothole on the runway, not bc of this. Fucking colony
Lametown227@reddit
Brother, this caused delays all the way up to northern Canada. I'd suggest you just don't talk about industries you don't work in.
FantomXFantom@reddit
Cálmate, bb
Aj834@reddit
The issues in San Juan are both because of Starship and because of a 4 hour runway closure. Bad day at TJSJ yesterday
SWATrous@reddit
I mean it was 100+ km in altitude if the numbers from the stream were correct, and going pretty fast. My first assumption was "is that all going to the Indian Ocean then?"
Only_Razzmatazz_4498@reddit
No because there is nothing pushing it anymore and all the energy it has is being used to heat it up. So all of a sudden it no longer is a solid pointed mass and instead becomes a tumbling mess of pieces some heavy, some light falling all the way in that path. People are finding pieces washing out on the beach in the Caribbean. There was a a picture of a thermal tile that someone found in Turk and Caicos.
criticalalpha@reddit
There is a thing called "ballistic coefficient". If a piece is dense (like the core of an engine), it will take longer for the atmospheric drag to slow it down, so will go farther down range. If it is low density, it will slow down very quickly and transition to a vertical fall. When Columbia broke up, the engines were found at the far end of the debris field. Chunks of light tile and other stuff were found 100's of miles up range.
mfb-@reddit
Even small differences in speed lead to large differences in the reentry range. A few hundred meters per second short of orbital velocity means you still reenter in the general area of the launch.
An example from the first crewed launch of Dragon: Up to 8 minutes and 28 seconds, an aborted launch would have the capsule land somewhere near the coast of the US or Canada. For the last 16 seconds of the ascent it would target a landing near Ireland, before reaching orbit at 8 minutes and 44 seconds after launch.
gefahr@reddit
Wow, those numbers are wild. Thanks
JoelMDM@reddit
No just really high up.
Well, still close enough that it was the safe move to divert all flights away from the debris, but not close enough that any aircraft was in any real danger.
takecareofurshoes13@reddit
It was close. A lot of these planes had to urgently deviate as the airspace wasn’t guaranteed to be free of debris.
Franken_moisture@reddit
The ship broke up at 150km altitude, travelling 6.9km/sec.
DietCherrySoda@reddit
Are you suggesting that the debris all stayed at 150 km altitude? If not can you clarify your statement?
WedNiatnuom@reddit
It broke up really high going really fast so the debris is going to spread really far/wide while gravity pulls it back down.
OSI_Hunter_Gathers@reddit
Like a shot gun into share airspace
takecareofurshoes13@reddit
Yep
takecareofurshoes13@reddit
I also don’t get the point the poster above you is trying to make..
takecareofurshoes13@reddit
I also don’t get the point the poster above you is trying to make..
Haunting-War-9811@reddit
It was 190 km up moving at mach 20.
Close to what ?
Hurt feelings.
CoatProfessional5026@reddit
Conjecture alert.
IWantToSayThisToo@reddit
Dummy.
kschischang@reddit
Moron
snowy333man@reddit
The flight tracks making a complete 180 away from the debris isn’t enough evidence for you?
Roadgoddess@reddit
There was another posting from a pilot who said that they had to divert and two of the three planes had fuel emergencies so it was a bigger issue than perhaps you’re suggesting
Many_Appearance_8778@reddit
I remember reading the Columbia report where they found that each piece of debris falling at that altitude created such violent turbulence behind it that it could (and did) slice through a human tissue with surgical precision.
FblthpLives@reddit
Nobody was injured by Columbia debris.
Many_Appearance_8778@reddit
I’m referring to the astronauts’ remains.
Uthallan@reddit
Someday the lights in the sky will be billionaires experiencing atmospheric friction
bartvanh@reddit
Guess Desmond forgot to push the button again...
Kush420coma@reddit
As I’m watching Lost right now. They just got into the hatch!
MidsummerMidnight@reddit
Lmao yes a lost fan!
takecareofurshoes13@reddit
Yeah, no, this isn’t safe.
1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1@reddit
Yep. The U.S. has rightfully leveled criticism towards China for their space program having complete disregard for where debris might land, and this same criticism should be leveled at Space X. This is egregious.
airfryerfuntime@reddit
China intentionally drops boosters full of hypergolic peopelents on rural villages. This was obviously an accident, and SpaceX is gonna get a good chewing out from the FAA over it.
Azure-April@reddit
What in the fuck are you talking about bro
DesertSun38@reddit
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/science/watch-toxic-debris-from-suspected-chinese-rocket-falls-over-village-raises-safety-alarms/articleshow/111249523.cms?from=mdr
Azure-April@reddit
Cool, where is the "intentionally" part
DesertSun38@reddit
They launch over populated areas. It's purposeful negligence, if you want to play word games.
oskark-rd@reddit
Yeah, there will be an investigation, but probably not very long. On the second flight of Starship there was a similar failure (i.e. there was a second stage explosion on ascent), and the debris fell down near Puerto Rico (where there's less planes). The next Starship flight was 4 months later, not that long in the grand scheme of things.
StarlightLifter@reddit
Less planes? Near Puerto Rico, what at like 3am local? That area has fuck tons of traffic
oskark-rd@reddit
Here's the location of debris from Starship 2nd flight. Looking at flightradar today, I think there's less planes there than where today's debris has been falling. And you also may be right, because that 2nd flight was like 8-9am local, maybe there was less air traffic at that time. Anyway, I tried searching if there was any disruption of flights then, and found nothing, so I guess this failure was more unfortunate with location/timing.
tommijoe@reddit
Lol "unfortunate with location/timing". That's one way to spin it.
SWATrous@reddit
I doubt it will cause that much stir if it stayed within it's planned launch trajectory.
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pipboy1989@reddit
Am i the only one that realises that this is essentially an accident? It clearly wasn’t supposed to happen. It’s not like first stage just being dumped somewhere stupid after an “i don’t care” seperation.
It’s like being angry at an airline for having an accident, on behalf of people it could have theoretically hurt
Wompish66@reddit
They are launching rockets that are expected to fail.
pipboy1989@reddit
Prove it
Wompish66@reddit
It's effectively their company motto. Launch rockets, see what failed, and then improve it.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/02/elon-musk-says-spacex-driving-toward-orbital-starship-flight-in-2020/
pipboy1989@reddit
That is not proof, that is a 5 year old opinion piece. Please get a grip
Wompish66@reddit
It's literally their engineering process. They are proud of it. What are you even trying to defend here?
They launch knowing that they'll almost certainly fail and learn from the failures.
Horror-Bug-7760@reddit
The idea is that the craft shouldn't explode... If it does, and it's due to maintenance/build etc... then even if it's an accident, it is the company's fault.
What are you even on about? I bet you if a plane crashed into your house, you'd be pretty mad.
pipboy1989@reddit
Yeah well thankfully a plane didn’t crash into my house. A rocket didn’t crash into anyone else’s house either.
These replies are weird. I think it goes deeper than an analysis of a rocket crash, in which case i tap out
Horror-Bug-7760@reddit
You're the one who made the plane comparison lol - maybe you should re-read what you wrote
pipboy1989@reddit
See, told you it was weird. You said the “if a plane crashes into my house” metaphor, and somehow I’m completely lost when i reply to that because i bought up a plane.
This is not like any rocket crash conversation i have ever seen before
Horror-Bug-7760@reddit
?? You literally talked about a plane accident? Also, the first comment is about apportioning blame - it is not talking about engineering. If we assume this explosion was intentional, it doesn't change the fact that if the debris hits something, SpaceX should be responsible for the damage. Hence, don't let your shit explode. If it explodes, it's your fault.
pipboy1989@reddit
What damages?
Horror-Bug-7760@reddit
Bruh
oskark-rd@reddit
You can't test a rocket without flying it all the way to orbit, and doing that there always can be a failure which can cause the debris to fall down in any place on it's path around the Earth. And basically every rocket has some failures at some point (usually more when they are new), so situations like that are an inherent risk of launching rockets. This was a launch of a new version of an experimental rocket so the risk was higher than the usual rocket launch.
Important difference in this case is that Starship is launching from Texas, and most other rockets (SpaceX' Falcon 9 included) are launching from Florida. Flying east from Texas you can't fly very far from these Caribbean islands, but the path is chosen so that it avoids them as much as it can. This failure was unfortunate because the debris fell in like the worst part of the path, near these islands.
The agencies overseeing launches usually calculate the risk of failures, the consequences of failures like debris hitting some populated area, and have some limit of what amount of risk they can accept. If the debris would actually hit someone (or something valuable), then I agree with you, the blame would be on SpaceX, or maybe even FAA for allowing that launch to happen (and that would be sorted out in courts). But even if the debris didn't hit anything, now there WILL be an FAA investigation of this flight, SpaceX will have to find the cause, fix it, and have the FAA accept the fix. Until that will be done, SpaceX can't launch Starship again. So it's not like no one cares, it will be investigated, like any past failure of rockets from SpaceX or others.
By the way, SpaceX' Falcon 9 rocket is the safest rocket ever flown. 3 failures out of 425 launches. At some point Starship will probably have numbers like that, and it will also be launching from Florida and other places with safer path over the oceans.
RyzinEnagy@reddit
Is that supposed to be a "gotcha" argument?
If anything crashed into my house I'd be mad, including a tornado.
shocky32@reddit
Ok comparing a cutting edge, unmanned experimental rocket to a passenger plane is certainly a choice.
Horror-Bug-7760@reddit
Yeah, you should probably refer to the comment i replied to.... where they compare a rocket to a passenger plane
facw00@reddit
There's a good chance it blew up on purpose. Lots of small pieces mostly burning up is a lot safer than one big piece with a heatshield that could do real damage if it landed somewhere populated.
Rustic_gan123@reddit
By the way, I am not sure in this particular case whether it is one piece of debris whose trajectory is known or shrapnel...
Rustic_gan123@reddit
No, Rockets has an FTS that blows up the Rocket in case of serious problems. Whether it was an FTS explosion or not, we will find out later
Azure-April@reddit
Am I the only one who realises that the point of safety regulations is to minimise the potential mayhem that can happen in case of an accident? You don't get to just throw your hands up and say oopsies because it was unintended.
LupineChemist@reddit
Yes, but it's all a tradeoff. Do we want to just basically be unable to test any new rockets because they might fail at some point.
Secret-Quarter-5@reddit
When your entire rocket building philosophy is to iterate and fix what breaks, because you don't know what works for sure and what doesn't, you don't get to claim "accident" in this type of situation, assuming it did end up causing damage.
SkyZombie92@reddit
It’s called testing and expecting this to be a possibility which is why the entire flight corridor is marked off for safety in the event it explodes on its own, or of something is wrong with the vehicle and they activate the flight termination system(basically a bomb strapped to the side of the rocket) to make it a bunch of small pieces to safely burn up and what’s left lands in the ocean in the designated safety corridor.
So many people talking about negligence when they have no clue about the processes and clearances involved
isabella_sunrise@reddit
They’re not doing adequate engineering or quality controls.
codeGnave@reddit
The US government chose Cape Canaveral/Merritt Island for a reason, if the rockets fail they will fail over the Atlantic ocean. Launching from Texas is inherently more risky, because it puts the Caribbean in the crosshairs. Its not an acceptable risk, like much of the spacex program.
afternoonmilkshake@reddit
You’re right, what would give someone the right to be angry at an airline that had an accident? That’s ridiculous.
bartvanh@reddit
It was a test flight of a new version of Starship, so while this was certainly unintended, it was also probable enough that accident doesn't really apply anymore
oskark-rd@reddit
China launches rockets directly from inland launchpads, and then the rocket fly over populated land. If the rocket fails, it falls down on the populated land.
In the US, all (or maybe nearly all?) launches are from the coast, and this launch isn't an exception. But most US launches (like SpaceX Falcon 9, the most launched rocket in the world right now) are from the coast of Florida, where going east there are no islands on which the debris could fall.
The problem with Starship is that they launch from the coast near Texas-Mexico border, and you can't fly east without flying near Caribbean islands. The flight path is chosen so that they don't fly directly over these islands, but it's near. See [this image](https://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/starship_orbit_traj.jpg). The rocket can't easily change direction because it'd be very expensive in terms of fuel, so it can't really maneuver around these islands.
Long term the risk should be minimal, as the rockets are not supposed to explode (lol), so when the Starship design matures the risk of failure will be low (multiply this be the risk of failure taking place in the exact moment that the debris will fall near these islands, and probability of the debris actually hitting someone). Falcon 9 is already the safest rocket ever, and this was the first flight of a new version of Starship, so the risk of something going wrong was relatively high.
Regarding planes, any rocket can fail on ascent like that and be a hazard to some planes somewhere, but the risk is still low, the exclusion zone can't span the whole Earth for every rocket launch.
nietzsche_niche@reddit
So they did the riskiest launch from the base that would take them over population centers if things went wrong and not from Florida? Nice
oskark-rd@reddit
It's not directly over these islands, but it's near. The rocket (or any other rocket) can't fly off it's designated course, because it has an autodestruct system (FTS) that blows it up if it's flying on the wrong path. Then the probability of hitting something is low. The flight was approved by the FAA, so the FAA thinks that the risk is acceptable (and these launches are going on since 2023). Also, they can't just choose another location, they have to build 480 feet high tower and big infrastructure for it. Launchpad on Florida isn't ready yet.
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RTheMarinersGoodYet@reddit
Um how the fuck is this egregious lol? SpaceX obviously didn't plan on raining down debris on TAC... Space is hard, and accidents happen.
Cuuu_uuuper@reddit
This isnt at all comparable to what china does
hahayesthatsrightboi@reddit
But isn’t it breaking up over a large body of water?
CoatProfessional5026@reddit
People acting like the exclusion zone wasn't set weeks in advance as this is always a possibility.
BrainwashedHuman@reddit
They changed the launch date several times, as recently as yesterday.
CoatProfessional5026@reddit
Which means nothing when it comes to the flight path plans and the exclusion zones.
BrainwashedHuman@reddit
Not according to this https://www.euronews.com/travel/2025/01/15/qantas-struggles-to-keep-flights-on-time-because-spacex-rocket-debris-is-falling-in-their-
Mrkvitko@reddit
With planes flying over the body of water, and boats sailing on that large body of water.
Kappawaii@reddit
And sometimes we have planes that fly over bodies of water
MAVACAM@reddit
Qantas actually suspended their Johannesburg route similarly for SpaceX rocket re-entries - this is even worse.
djbrombizzle@reddit
It broke up over heavy and major airways to from the Caribbean islands. Out of all the criticism the FAA got over approving SpaceX operations, this is the reason for the scrutiny to avoid stuff like this. Many flights are holding and diverting at this moment to ensure no debris impacts. Think about the hundreds of people’s flights now impacted because of the action of one company…
Nice_Visit4454@reddit
Yes largely the risk is to aviation and maritime traffic.
We always talk about how aviation is risky. Rocketry is even more so. There are steps taken to ensure that the areas are as clear proportionate to the risk.
Gwynbleidd_Cage@reddit
https://youtu.be/R5hCkh2AH58?si=pA5WnYebDm3PxXWI&t=15
Fixed the video
ManapuaMonstah@reddit
Between blue origin and this, pretty disappointing 24 hours for spaceflight.
Wild west may be over after this.
gaylord9000@reddit
They both had successes as well as failures. I don't think either of the failures will be major setbacks.
FblthpLives@reddit
The FAA is requiring a mishap investigation now that debris has been reported in habited areas. That will definitely take some time:
gaylord9000@reddit
Bummer. I was half assuming it would only hit ocean but it sure was a pretty broad brush stroke in the sky.
FblthpLives@reddit
If the FAA determines that debris fell in habited areas, there could definitely be a setback.
ManapuaMonstah@reddit
So you dont think the FAA will have any issues with the shotgun blast from orbit?
gaylord9000@reddit
No. I'm not at all that confident in the integrity of any part of the apparatus at this point.
Consistentlyinconsi@reddit
What happens to flights en route within range of the debris field? Do they immediately divert to the closest airport?
FblthpLives@reddit
They have three options:
Each option was exercised in this case. It all depends on how much fuel the aircraft has and where it is located relative to the debris response area.
kjpmi@reddit
This was over the Caribbean/Atlantic?
I thought I had heard something about Australia?
FblthpLives@reddit
It exploded over the Bahamas. Most of the debris footage is from near Turks & Caicos.
andtheywerenaked77@reddit
Didn't this launch have a payload? I wonder if it had something to do with the explosion?
FblthpLives@reddit
No.
Notonfoodstamps@reddit
Yeah.
This is absolutely not something you’d want to be flying anywhere near
EntangledHorses@reddit
They're miles away from it.
Notonfoodstamps@reddit
You do realize anything re-enter the upper atmosphere is travel 4-5 miles. A second
CatsDontMountainBike@reddit
I guess the incoming head of the Department Of Government Efficiency will ensure SpaceX is up and running again in no time
JackDrawsStuff@reddit
Where the fuck is all that shit landing?
Each of those glittery specks is probably the size of a fridge?
FblthpLives@reddit
The FAA has now grounded Starship due to property damage on Turks and Caicos: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/17/faa-grounds-spacex-starship-reports-property-damage-in-caribbean.html
No_Obligation_1398@reddit
Authenticate, Blaze, readback.
Scyl@reddit
I understand this isn’t safe, but at the same time, this isn’t totally unexpected either. Plans were made in preparation for this exact scenario. That’s why the controllers were able to redirect the flights so quickly.
JoelMDM@reddit
It's also much les unsafe that it appears. An object at nearly 150km will look much closer by laterally than it actually is due to just being really far away.
And at a speed of over 20000kph, most of the debris will burn up long before it hits the denser parts of the atmosphere anyway.
Is it safe? No. Were any of these aircraft at serious risk of being hit by debris? No. But it's always better to be safe than sorry.
Priton-CE@reddit
I mean they always make plans for this scenario.
Its still not good that they had to actually put these plans into effect.
bartvanh@reddit
Aha! Thanks, that feels like an important details that other comments about the diversions don't mention.
ViciousNakedMoleRat@reddit
I gotta say, all those videos of the debris are beautiful, but this is a lot of debris over a pretty wide area. That's not good.
VeterinarianCold7119@reddit
Orbital shotgun
probablyuntrue@reddit
Why don’t they make a rocket that doesn’t break up into a million pieces
Are they stupid?
GrimRipperBkd@reddit
If that's an honest question, it's intentionally blown up into as many pieces as possible by the Flight Termination System. The smaller the piece, the less damage it can cause, and the easier it is to burn up in the atmosphere.
JoelMDM@reddit
There is no way it's not safer for a craft like Starship to perform a controlled reentry and splashdown. We've seen it can perform a very controlled landing even with it's control surfaces almost entirely burned through.
One controlled object is better than thousands of small uncontrolled parts.
I wouldn't be surprised if the FAA mandates them to not use the FTS if a controlled landing into the ocean is at all possible for future flights.
Ordolph@reddit
I don't know much about modern rocketry, but historically rocket boosters were just discarded over the ocean, very little chance of an impact on anything important. This approach seems incredibly dangerous given you essentially have 3-dimensional debris field potentially miles in diameter. Doesn't really matter how small the debris is if you hit it moving 500MPH, or the debris gets sucked into a turbine.
Verneff@reddit
Pretty much every rocket that launches is given a launch window and a launch corridor which is supposed to be cleared of boats and planes for this exact reason. I'm not sure why there were planes with flight paths that were going to take them through the launch corridor without the warning of debris.
The only reason I say pretty much is because countries like North Korea and China might not do the same thing. There are also hobbyist rockets that are sometimes flown without proper permission, but those aren't reaching orbit. Every SpaceX rocket follows FAA flight window regulation.
Immediate-Event-2608@reddit
Bro, we launch from Cape Canaveral, Wallops, and Vandenburg all the time. Tons of flights paths in those areas.
TyrialFrost@reddit
by all means, point out the equator launch site with no active flight paths.
greymart039@reddit
FTS is meant to prevent rockets that have gone off course to continue going in directions that are not intended. Say if a rocket curves left instead of right. In the lower part of Earth's atmosphere, drag causes debris to fall mostly directly below or a short distance from where the FTS was activated.
FTS is not meant for vehicles traveling near orbital speeds. Although many pieces will burn up, some larger pieces will reach the surface of the Earth. In fact, any pieces seen at the same horizon from the airplane in the OP means those pieces are all past peak heating and will hit the ocean and take out whatever is along the way. That's not good.
The question is that since Starship was a vehicle designed for reentry, would it not have been safer to have one large singular object continue on its trajectory (which likely would have been open water anyway) rather than creating a wide field of debris? Assuming that the vehicle didn't explode prior to FTS activation of course. This is more so a question on whether FTS, which performed as it expected to in this case, is really the best option to minimize risk if it is already in a low-drag environment.
HappyHHoovy@reddit
As far as I'm aware, SpaceX has not confirmed the use of the FTS in this incident. On the livestream we saw the edges of a fire in the engine bay, engines cutting early one-by-one and a rapid loss of CH4. I wouldn't be surprised if it started a spin that caused it to break-up and then further split apart upon reentry.
SpaceX official post
greymart039@reddit
Whether the explosion was caused by a fuel leak or FTS is kind of another issue, but I don't think it started spinning. On the livestream, before the loss of telemetry, it slightly stalled at 145 km in altitude and pointed nose down, but a second later compensated (or attempted to), pointed up, and reached 146 km. I don't think a spin would show a rise in altitude and it's more likely the ship attempted to maintain course but with reduced thrust.
Based on Scott Manley's analysis, there was only 2-3 minutes between loss of telemetry on the stream and people on the ground seeing it explode. That's well after the engines started shutting down but enough time to see the ship beginning to spin either in the live views or the telemetry.
As far as the aftermath, the bad news is that if it was an explosion caused by a fuel leak then SpaceX will have a serious design issue on their hands. However, if the FTS was triggered because the onboard computer detected an off-nominal trajectory, then I think it'd just be a matter of redetermining the criteria for when it should be activated.
Supernova_was_taken@reddit
Salategnohc16@reddit
As also said by Scott Manley, if the landing zone isn't over populated area, having it falls in one small piece would have probably been safer.
IMHO the FAA will look into that, especially because a integral starship has probably 100+ KMs of cross range to target an empty patch of the ocean, and it's easier to avoid for both ships and planes.
thecatandthependulum@reddit
It's better to have a million pieces, because the surface area will ensure they burn up before somebody's house gets a big hole punched through it by a piece that didn't disintegrate.
QuiteFrankly13@reddit
Because we have yet to create a material for constructing spacecraft that can defy the laws of physics.
mechy18@reddit
Yeah, that’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.
TryPokingIt@reddit
They need to take it out of the environment
gypsydreams101@reddit
Into another environment, right?
LupineChemist@reddit
No, no....remove it from the environment.
TwoLineElement@reddit
Nothing's out there other than sea, birds and fish
circuit_breaker@reddit
But it's safe in the environment
1300-MH-CALL@reddit
Well how is it untypical?
___DEADPOOL______@reddit
Well now there are alot of these rockets leaving the atmosphere all the time and very seldom does anything like this happen. I just don't want people going around thinking rockets aren't safe.
1972GT@reddit
Live immediate rerouting of flights would suggest it may be unsafe. Do you work for SpaceX?
gypsydreams101@reddit
They’re quoting this.
1972GT@reddit
Ah. Apologies. Didn’t get the reference. Appreciate your post.
Reddit-cruzer@reddit
and well over 90% of them are SpaceX rockets.
licklylick@reddit
You peasants are complaining about micro plastics
Talk to me when you can afford complaining about micro metals /s
Independent_Body6038@reddit
Somebody is i guess
spirit9875@reddit
We need this to spread managed democracy
Hyperious3@reddit
→↓←↑↑
Hyperious3@reddit
Elob really hit em with the →↓←↑↑
Chatting_shit@reddit
New helldivers stratagem
Holiday_Government45@reddit
Stealing that for a band name.
VeterinarianCold7119@reddit
Thrash metal or hard-core?
Alone_Status_2687@reddit
Has to be thrash for me!
grizzlyblake91@reddit
New band name
2oonhed@reddit
It really was. And with flaming buckshot.
VeterinarianCold7119@reddit
Tracer rounds
whiskeyboundcowboy@reddit
Galactic birdshot
ThisisJVH@reddit
The Makeup Shotgun of Space Ships
1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1@reddit
FAA is not going to like this one
Potential_Wish4943@reddit
They set of vast exclusion zones for exactly this reason but also you arent wrong. (mostly becuase its a prototype manned spacecraft). I dont think flights were in danger.
RobinOldsIsGod@reddit
They had to divert a handful of flights due to the "unscheduled rapid disassembly." I think one had to declare an emergency due to fuel.
StatementOk470@reddit
That's straight up George Carlin material.
FoxFyer@reddit
It was a joke made once in a while a long time ago by military aerospace testers, as sort of a way to lightheartedly lampoon technobabble. Unfortunately someone at SpaceX heard about it and now they use it as official terminology literally every single time there's an explosion of any kind; so while it still delights people upon hearing it for the first time, it's becoming a tired gag.
Verneff@reddit
It covers most possible failure modes though, so it's a useful catch-all until a more accurate understanding comes out. Whether is ran out of fuel/oxidizer and pancaked into the water/land/pad, whether it broke up from atmospheric effects, whether is blew itself up from a mechanical failure, whether the FTS went off. Anything that rapidly turns the rocket into a large pile of scrap can be initially identified as a rapid unscheduled disassembly.
LupineChemist@reddit
It was in Kerbal, which I imagine most of the engineers there really enjoy playing.
discreetjoe2@reddit
It’s not as good as CFIT - controlled fight into terrain.
turndownforjim@reddit
Ackchyually
CFIT isn’t just a fun alternate way of describing a crash; it has actual distinct meaning. It means the aircraft was controllable and being controlled when it flew into terrain, as opposed to impacting after loss of control or an in flight breakup.
-DementedAvenger-@reddit
More like CFST
Controlled flight; suddenly terrain
zmenz1097@reddit
I prefer “aluminum plating a mountain” or simply “lithobraking”
odinsen251a@reddit
"Lithobraking: what happens when you install the accelerometer in charge of deploying your landing thrusters backwards on your $100M Mars lander."
2oonhed@reddit
I hate it when that happens.
anonymousbeardog@reddit
Actually happened with a an actual rocket, computer thought it was flying upside down off the pad and tried to fix that by flipping.
The hilarious part was that they were designed to go in one way but the guy who installed them used a hammer and a lot of suggestion.
2oonhed@reddit
I remember the story. I thought it was a Russian installation where this happened.
Realreelred@reddit
But it was controlled, so there's that.
ZippyDan@reddit
How do you fight into terrain? Is a controlled fight like a cage match vs. an uncontrolled fight being like a street fight?
firstLOL@reddit
No, it’s like how you could be driving and crash into a wall because you didn’t see it there, or were looking at the radio, or because you put the car into reverse by accident and floored it expecting to go forwards. In all those cases the car is doing exactly what you’re telling it to do and is working normally. That’s a CFIT: nothing wrong with the plane but it flies into the ground anyway.
It’s not always the same thing as being your fault (or pilot error in aviation terms) - maybe you put the car on cruise control and were taking a nap rather than actively hands on the wheel at the time of the crash. Maybe the pilots got disorientated in fog and lost their bearings.
Whereas if you hit a wall because your brake cable snaps or the manufacturer swapped the D and R stickers on the shifter, the car isn’t working how it’s supposed to.
ZippyDan@reddit
Ok, but what does that have to do with fighting?
VirtualPaddock@reddit
Just a missing letter, they meant controlled flight into terrain, not fight.
ZippyDan@reddit
😝
quixoticquiltmaker@reddit
Are we landing into the terrain or just flying into it? One of those sounds way scarier than the other.
Radioburnin@reddit
That one sounds less euphemism and vanilla factual.
mz_groups@reddit
I used to work in a group within my employer that had the acronym CFIT (last two characters were for "Information Technology"), and I never ceased to be amused by that coincidence.
danit0ba94@reddit
SpaceX more or less coined that expression by way of this absolute classic.
Ropeswing_Sentience@reddit
KSP players had been saying "rapid unplanned disassembly" RUD for YEARS before spaceX even existed.
ZombiesInSpace@reddit
SpaceX reached orbit 3 years before KSP was available to the public.
Ropeswing_Sentience@reddit
til. Not sure why that feels so inaccurate.
InevitableAd9683@reddit
KSP launched in 2013, SpaceX was founded in 2002. Even if you're just talking about their recent history, Falcon 9 launched in 2010.
Ropeswing_Sentience@reddit
Wierd, doesn't feel like that at all.
danit0ba94@reddit
As a non-Kerbal player, i did not know that. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Ropeswing_Sentience@reddit
Yeah. SpaceX is the cocky new kid on the block compared to KSP.
CrispyHoneyBeef@reddit
The phrase has been around for decades. Here’s a book from 2002 that uses it.
Ropeswing_Sentience@reddit
are you also familiar with kinetic maintenance, and thermal reorganization?
DaoFerret@reddit
“Percussive maintenance” is the way I heard it described.
NByz@reddit
It's a common spaceflight term that makes these situations more fun.
mz_groups@reddit
It may have been used on very rare occasions before, but SpaceX is who popularized it. I worked in the space industry in the last millenium, and I never heard it at that time.
Potential_Wish4943@reddit
> but SpaceX is who popularized it
Kerbal space program
mz_groups@reddit
It may have started there, but it doesn't have the reach that SX's PR does.
ImAzura@reddit
Nah.
MisterDalliard@reddit
Like "lithobraking"
summervogel@reddit
In the unlikely event of a sudden change in cabin pressure…ROOF FLIES OFF!
RokulusM@reddit
"In the unlikely event of a sudden decrease in cabin pressure..."
ROOF FLIES OFF!!!
TwoLineElement@reddit
Scrap metal flying in close formation
GrimRipperBkd@reddit
Rapid unscheduled disassembly*
RobinOldsIsGod@reddit
I blame my dyslexia. It warns without striking and can affect innocent yeople like mou and pe.
Juanvaldez007@reddit
It’s referred to as a rud rapid unscheduled disassembly
CounterSimple3771@reddit
Isn't that the definitive explanation of what happens to a fly when it hits my windshield?
mz_groups@reddit
That's RURIAB
Rapid Unscheduled Reassembly Into A Blob
CounterSimple3771@reddit
Urdsplob
danit0ba94@reddit
Pretty much.
1Whiskeyplz@reddit
Slightly different order, but the acronym I've heard for this phenomena is "RUD" or "Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly". Same difference, though.
RobinOldsIsGod@reddit
mild have I dyslexia
Tendie_Warrior@reddit
“Rocket Launch Anomaly” is what FAA is using at the moment.
MrTagnan@reddit
“Anomaly” is used in spaceflight to cover basically any issue. Anything from “one of the engines is acting up” all the way to “hey the rocket seems to have stopped existing”
Swimming_Way_7372@reddit
The acronym is RUD not URD
Ropeswing_Sentience@reddit
Not enough KSP enthusiasts in here, it seems.
WildVelociraptor@reddit
Indeed https://www.reddit.com/r/ADSB/comments/1i32y6g/aviation_tracks_that_had_to_divert_awayvfrom_the/
Euro_Snob@reddit
This area was NOT in the exclusion zone, since you can see it is filmed from a civilian aircraft.
kd8qdz@reddit
Do you have any idea how far away you can see things that are bright like that at altitude? That debris could have been hundreds of miles away.
Euro_Snob@reddit
The point - which you are intentionally avoiding - is that other aircraft were in the area and had to divert due to it.
Potential_Wish4943@reddit
They might have chosen to divert despite not having to divert. PIC are the authority but not omniscient. I guess if you're in an airliner and basically a large ship detonates above you you might understandably freak out about it and make the safe decision.
Euro_Snob@reddit
Yeah… hundreds of people at risk? You betcha.
Potential_Wish4943@reddit
At risk from..... debris 60,000 feet above them and 10 miles away?
WildVelociraptor@reddit
They probably wouldn't have diverted flights like this for no reason
https://www.reddit.com/r/ADSB/comments/1i32y6g/aviation_tracks_that_had_to_divert_awayvfrom_the/
Potential_Wish4943@reddit
why not?
WildVelociraptor@reddit
You think they just turn passenger jets around for fun?
Huugboy@reddit
I would!
/s
mfb-@reddit
They were diverted so no one is in danger...
Rocket launches well -> you can fly under its path as soon as it's gone.
Rocket explodes -> don't fly into the area for now
rishib7@reddit
San Juan FIR shutdown their airspace because of this. Flights were rerouted out the airspace.
Mrkvitko@reddit
Are you sure? NOTAMs are usually raised just for area near the launchpad and near expected splashdown location.
If it blew up several (tens of) minutes later, it would fall down on Africa.
akacarguy@reddit
They do map out the hazard pattern of possible debris for the duration of the flight based on modeling. I’m not sure how this affects NOTAMs, but it’s probably driven by a risk eval of likelihood vs severity.
Mrkvitko@reddit
Well, if I'm sitting in a plane that had to declare emergency, I'd love to have a word or two with the guy that did the mapping...
Potential_Wish4943@reddit
People can declare emergencies for false or self-imposed reasons. We want people to declare them to make them a priority and save lives but it also doesn't make them automatically blameless after the fact.
I guess if a large ship explodes over your airliner and is visible for miles this is something you might be understandably nervous about.
Mrkvitko@reddit
Several transatlantic flights were caught holding on the ocean side of the debris field. At least one plane declared emergency due to to low fuel. That's not false or self-imposed reasons.
akacarguy@reddit
Sounds like most of the emergencies declared were for fuel. So I’m assuming ATC was fine with giving vectors, but planes didn’t have the fuel to accommodate. And given how much blue water flying is in that part of the world some planes are pretty tight on fuel already.
planetrainguy@reddit
FAA isn’t going to be allowed to have an opinion in 3 days. Starship flies when Elon wants.
CasualJimCigarettes@reddit
Climate crisis intensifies
Independent-Proof110@reddit
As long as debris stays within the pre-launch defined hazard areas from 60k feet to the ground, then the FAA will have no issue. If it hits outside those areas though....and we all should start asking questions. There are very specific regulations to ensure minimal injuries and propert damage would occur.
CattleDogCurmudgeon@reddit
International Airspace....FAA don't mean diddly where this happened.
Independent-Proof110@reddit
The International Space Treaty and other agreements provide guidance here. There really is no issue as long as the breakup doesn't ass through 60k feet in altotude and strike an area on the ground that is outside of pre-defined hazard areas.
ofWildPlaces@reddit
Do people do any reading on topics before they post? Or do they just vomit ignorance like this for funsies?
Yes absolutely the FAA has jurisdiction.
kdegraaf@reddit
Stop saying dumb words.
DogsOutTheWindow@reddit
Confidently incorrect! Gotta love it.
WitELeoparD@reddit
Pretty sure the FAA has jurisdiction over anything launched from their airspace. Likewise, the law of the place where a vessel is registered tends to apply whenever the vessel is in international jurisdiction like in the Atlantic or in Space.
Mrkvitko@reddit
US vehicle launched from US soil. FAA definitely has authority here.
1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1@reddit
It took off from the US
Individual_Sir_8582@reddit
If it takes off from here they absolutely have jurisdiction...
SnooSquirrels8097@reddit
FAA and Space X report to the same guy next week 🫥
probablyuntrue@reddit
“That state voted blue, your rocket can crash there no problem”
Ddmarteen@reddit
They’ll probably spend a billion investigating it and get reported to the department of government efficiency for their use of resources
MakeChipsNotMeth@reddit
The Department Of Rocket Efficiency is on the case!
747ER@reddit
Whether the FAA would like it or not is pretty irrelevant considering it’s 1000km away from where their jurisdiction ends.
cockaptain@reddit
The flight originated from the US. Absolutely their jurisdiction.
vandrokash@reddit
Kinda like Afghanistan being responsible for Saudi Arabian pilots that one time
1II1I1I1I1I1I111I1I1@reddit
The vehicle that broke up over populated islands was launched from US territory. If it had been a little bit closer to the islands it would have been America's fault.
4lmightyyy@reddit
Just rename space X to Boeing X and it's going to be fine
boofles1@reddit
FAA will get DOGEd January 20th.
LastTopQuark@reddit
they’re actually self certified
rotortrash7@reddit
Good
OrcOfDoom@reddit
Yeah, this is much better than a fireworks display. That should do this for all the holidays instead
KennyMoose32@reddit
That’s thing we never hear about in sci-fi stories
Lots of trash/debris
BENJ4x@reddit
"Not to worry, we are still flying half a ship." Springs to mind.
ak217@reddit
Seveneves
SWATrous@reddit
Ahh, Moon rocks.
AccipiterCooperii@reddit
Planetes is a manga about debris collectors and the dangers of the Kessler Syn. Never say never! Lol
Zardywacker@reddit
Will never not upvote Planetes.
MissingWhiskey@reddit
What about WALL-E?
Gryphon234@reddit
They made a Manga/Anime series about this
LouKrazy@reddit
Planetes
freemoneyformefreeme@reddit
Gravity
disillusioned@reddit
Mmm, forbidden hail...
Afizzle55@reddit
Where did it land?
LearningToFlyForFree@reddit
Seeing as how Turks and Caicos is an island in the Atlantic, the ocean.
ateknoa@reddit
Aesthetic ✨
CrazyAssBlindKid@reddit
Don’t Look Up
Hourslikeminutes47@reddit
Especially close to airway. And a populated area.
JoelMDM@reddit
Wow, now that is a once in a lifetime view.
Camoflauge94@reddit
Remember folks recycle your plastic bags , you're destroying the enviroment
Meanwhile Elon musk : 🚀💥😂 ✈️🚫
Hans-Dieter_Franz@reddit
This has probably been the most media attention the turks and caicos islands got in decades
kneecapnapper@reddit
Was anyone on the ground injured?
Rustic_gan123@reddit
The vast majority, if not all, of the debris fell into the ocean, with no injuries reported.
PM_YOUR__BUBBLE_BUTT@reddit
SpongeBob would like a word…
AardQuenIgni@reddit
Bikini Bottom News reports 64 dead and 102 still missing 😔
kneecapnapper@reddit
Sending prayers to the bikini bottom 🙏
NormalEscape8976@reddit
Which mission was 15 again
Chemical_Bar_2693@reddit
What's the plan for when the rubble lands on people's homes or property?
Or damages the environment?
MichiganGeezer@reddit
https://youtu.be/vfVm4DTv6lM?si=MdCA2sHmaV0WqmFt
Scott Manley had a good video about what happened in flight.
Wise_Astronaut6870@reddit
Andor vibes
PapaSheev7@reddit
Ace Combat too, looks sorta like the Ulysses asteroid after it was shot by Stonehenge.
Appropriate-Count-64@reddit
Or the Kessler Syndrome.
VietInTheTrees@reddit
Was thinking Project Wingman
PR055@reddit
The eye of Aldhani
bartvanh@reddit
Oh yeah, I knew it was reminding me of something, but I couldn't quite place it!
Objective-Aioli-1185@reddit
That looks like miles of debris
RainbowBier@reddit
Traffic at your 11
notnewtobville@reddit
I was going to ask if ATC announced this traffic?
Horsecockexpress1@reddit
I remember looking up and seeing Columbia lookin just like that
FMC_Speed@reddit
One thing that really really irritates me about phone cameras, is how stupid the auto focus is and how unwieldy it is to manually override
Jrschult-777@reddit
Beautiful sight couldn’t happen to a better oligarch
Pat0san@reddit
Again SpaceX create visuals the movie industry can only dream of.
ohub2@reddit
If one of these behemoths does this while in orbit.... It is bad enough when a small satellite explodes.
RosieN336FR@reddit
It sadly reminds me of the space shuttle Columbia incident in 2003. RIP of the souls lost in that tragic incident.
Feeling-Yak-5686@reddit
Same. It's a lot more beautiful knowing it wasn't full of people this time.
15_Redstones@reddit
Best case scenario would be to find issues like this during ground testing or simulation, but some things don't happen outside of flight conditions. A lot better to find them now during unmanned testing than for it to crop up later!
Feeling-Yak-5686@reddit
Oh absolutely! 100% agree.
No-stradumbass@reddit
It is frustrating to see people praise the catching of the rocket and claim this is normal or expected.
QP873@reddit
This WAS (at least somewhat) expected though. The debris stayed in the hazard corridor and the proper hazard notices were published before the launch. This area was considered safe enough to justify still flying through the area, but when the pilots did their preflight checks they would have seen that there was aerospace testing planned in the area.
No-stradumbass@reddit
According to Space X "Starship has experienced a rapid unscheduled disassembly during its ascent burn"
Listen I understand there was no real cargo or astronauts. They probably assumed the system wasn't ready for humans. But they have been operating for almost 20 years and their biggest win is catching part of the rocket twice. Oh and about a 4 day mission near Van Allen Belt.
It took NASA 7 years to go from Shepherd to Apollo 11.
QP873@reddit
The first Apollo missions had a calculated 30% chance of killing their crew. NASA knew this and launched 6 times anyways.
SpaceX has achieved things Von Braun could have only dreamed of.
SpaceX has NOT been developing Starship for 20 years.
No-stradumbass@reddit
It's been Musk and Space X goal for Mars. It's his mission statement. At the same time Space X hasn't achieved much scientific or engineering accomplishments outside of Earth. Polaris Dawn was only 4 days.
None of which seems prepared for Mars withing 5-10 years.
15_Redstones@reddit
Falcon is currently doing 5x as much heavy lifting as the rest of the world combined. That's what SpaceX spent most of the last 20 years on.
Californ1a@reddit
You've got some facts seriously wrong. They didn't have to assume anything - this is purely a test vehicle that is meant to ultimately be destroyed. How far into the flight plan it is able to get is part of the test.
Yes, SpaceX was founded in 2002 and has been operating for about 20 years, but this particular vehicle didn't even begin to be designed on paper until 2012, and very early tests of smaller prototypes for just the upper stage weren't until 2019, with this specific full vehicle (superheavy booster + starship) not beginning test flights until mid-2023 - it hasn't even been 2 years yet since it has started doing test flights.
As for SpaceX's "biggest win" - the Falcon 9 (and Falcon Heavy) is the only orbital rocket capable of landing and reusing the booster, which is what a large portion of that 20 year operating time has gone into. They pioneered the tech to be able to land, and be able to refurbish/reuse the booster. They've got nearly 430 total launches now, with about 370 of those being with a reused booster. Every other rocket drops the booster in the ocean and has to build a whole new one for every launch. This also means they're able to fly much more often than others because they're able to reuse the booster - there's a launch almost every other day of the Falcon 9; so far there's already been 8 in 2025.
Blue Origin's New Glenn might change that soon, it had its first attempt a few hours ago, but it didn't successfully land yet.
Falcon 9 has also done about 15 human crewed flights in orbit since they finalized their approval in 2020, with 4 people on each, for a total of about 60 astronauts.
No-stradumbass@reddit
Please quote what I said wrong.
It seems like the number of launch stats is very popular with people like you. You are forgetting that the US Gov and other nations pay for Space X launches for their important systems. The Parker Solar Probe was launched by Space X but the actual scientific drive and engineering feat was all NASA.
I did mention the Polaris Dawn Mission. They have had two catches with the gantry and two ship destruction.
My point is, NASA had it in the bag in less the 10 years when they started. They had to do all the math, engineering drawings, and planning by hand or on a computer that 2KB of ram.
It is a shame that with Space X advance computers, the math and science already worked out, and the funding and political power from Musk. The man with the most political and financial worth then any other business man in history.
Californ1a@reddit
NASA also had a very large amount of government funding from a cold war effort at the time. A large portion of the military spending was diverted to NASA during that time period.
You saying that SpaceX's biggest win is two starship catches and the Polaris Dawn mission in 20 years is entirely wrong. As I mentioned, the vast majority of their operating time has been spent on making Falcon 9 land and be reusable, not on starship - the number of launches stat is important for that reason because it directly impacts their goal of being rapidly reusable which is something no other rocket is. Starship has only been in testing since 2019, and the booster since 2023, so if you said 2-5 years instead of 20 you'd be closer to correct on that one, but saying 20 when referring to Starship is wrong. If you want to talk about 20 years then you have to include Falcon 9 and the landing systems they've developed that no one else has done yet. Their goal is to be rapidly reusable, and nothing else has come close to being able to launch as often, which is only possible because of their R&D put into the Falcon 9's landing system.
You're also not recognizing that the math and science aren't already worked out for what SpaceX is doing, otherwise they wouldn't have had to spend the R&D time to figure out how to get Falcon 9 to land, and other rockets would have already been landing. Now with Starship they're trying to get the second stage to land as well, and catch the booster. These are entirely new problems to solve - NASA never landed an orbital rocket, caught an orbital rocket, or reused a second stage. New Glenn is also having to solve the landing issue; it's not already worked out, and the math changes considerably depending on the specific vehicle and its setup.
You could say the shuttle was a "reused" second stage, but the sheer amount of refitting that had to be done after every flight was the entire reason the shuttle program was cancelled; it didn't reuse as much of the actual shuttle as it purported to - they essentially had to assemble a whole new one every time Ship of Theseus-style, and all of the heat shield tiles had to be replaced after each landing which was a massive effort since each tile was entirely unique and handmade. It could never have supported anything near a rapid launch cadence that starship is trying to achieve by developing things like a more generalized heat tile design that can interchangeably be used across most of the ship.
I don't like Musk much either, but SpaceX has some real engineering going on, and you're not giving those engineers the credit they deserve for these systems that NASA hasn't done.
FblthpLives@reddit
What are you basing this statement on?
stonerflea@reddit
So any reports of people being hit it the face by a Starship flap yet?
damaxbro@reddit
World's most expensive fireworks
I_am_King_Julian@reddit
Should we all be waiting for Mobius 1's F22 hauling ass out of the debris?
Timmy_The_Techpriest@reddit
Authenticate, Blaze. Read back. Blaze. May god have mercy...
BearToTheThrone@reddit
Were Ace Combat now boys
Timmy_The_Techpriest@reddit
Feels more like Project Wingman, what with the orange
ManTurnip@reddit
"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe... Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion..."
commanche_00@reddit
Where did it fall
FrankGehryNuman@reddit
Cant wait for this to show up on the UFO subreddit
DEADB33F@reddit
I heard that Besos shot it down with a giant "laser" mounted to his super yacht.
bailey0710@reddit
Already did.
antrubler@reddit
Nah... Too high quality to speculate
FOOLS_GOLD@reddit
Look at all of the orbs!!! They are here!
chupacabra816@reddit
I thought it was a broken windshield
pipboy1989@reddit
That was my first thought too lol
TheRealtcSpears@reddit
"UFO farts and sharts rainbows, smash that like and subscribe to stop the lizard people from chemtrailing our frogs gay!"
SkylaneMusicLive@reddit
Flying a little too close for me….
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
lol that's probably like 100 miles but ok
Neat_Bug6646@reddit
That’s pretty close in aviation terms
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
Yeah keep those downvotes coming, noobs
Neat_Bug6646@reddit
Here take one more.
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
Is that all ya got? Pathetic.
Neat_Bug6646@reddit
Why so butthurt? Do you need someone to talk?
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
lol I actually got a PM from Reddit that had a "crisis hotline" feel to it, did you actually make some report somewhere, or...?
Neat_Bug6646@reddit
We just care for our fellow trolls. That’s it.
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
I'm not butt-hurt at all. I was just saying, rightly, that this plane the video is being taken from is in zero danger, because the scales of distance are more massive than the original commenter I replied to has a concept of. Then I got massively downvoted by whatever idiots again and again, and they all can f**k right off because they're idiots. To quote a great line, "Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer"
ZeroOhblighation@reddit
That's a lot of words after you said "I'm not butthurt" lmao
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
Ha, ok I'll keep this one short. Fuck off, noob.
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ZeroOhblighation@reddit
Noob 😂
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
Or whatever, fuck off "been on Reddit moderately longer than me" guy
ZeroOhblighation@reddit
What are you even trying to say my dude? You need to make your insults more palatable
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
The main takeaway there was "fuck off", since I apparently have to spell it out with crayons and elbow macaroni, "my dude"
ZeroOhblighation@reddit
That's not much better lmao, keep trying though
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
Right, because you're just the master of insults here huh. Take your best shot. Downvotes are just masterbation, son.
chappelld@reddit
What year is it?
ShootPosting@reddit
Keep commenting, this is fun!
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
Will do. I'm having a fucking blast.
ShootPosting@reddit
Boop! Downvote for you, Nancy boy!
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
Thanks, how very selfless and masculine of you. You are clearly the master of your domain.
ShootPosting@reddit
Boop!
tdubbattheracetrack@reddit
Yeah, you're clearly not butthurt at all. It's weird how much you seem to care about downvotes.
ZeroOhblighation@reddit
He replied but it got auto deleted lmao, wonder what it was
Gaming_Birb@reddit
Sounds like someone's butthurt
Nightcitytremors@reddit
Take another one, you short strange man
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
Oh no, you've wounded me mortally! How ever shall I go on with my life!
thunderbuttjuice@reddit
Seattle sucks. Downvoted.
loved0ne@reddit
You okay, Elon?
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
lol ok that was actually kinda funny. You get my upvote
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
Ha, whatever. 100 miles is 100 miles. Next you'll be telling me those viral videos of planes in RVSM airspace at standard separation are actually "close calls"
Routine_Actuator8935@reddit
I am just here to downvote you and leave. I don’t agree NOR disagree with you.
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
[slow clap] Truly a social media hero. Way to put in that work. You sure got the best of me.
Routine_Actuator8935@reddit
Downvoted 🫡
ArcticRiot@reddit
Plane flying close to 600 miles an hour means they would be about 10 minutes away from that position. Tell me, if you walked into a building and then left, and that building blew up 10 minutes later, would you think it was no big deal?
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
Yeah, I'm an actual commercial pilot, I'm aware. Planes can turn you know. "See and avoid" is a major fundamental of flying. If this crew didn't turn in 10 minutes, I'd seriously question their judgement and ability. Weak-ass argument posted purely because you decided you don't like me.
CoatProfessional5026@reddit
You're in the aviation sub, not the space x sub. Gotta rethink your comments even if you're correct.
tenuousemphasis@reddit
And yet, you are not correct. They diverted flights away from Turks and Caicos because of the debris.
Gutter_Snoop@reddit
Cool, yes.. but this video is taken from a plane that is in no danger whatsoever
AttackHelicopter_21@reddit
How high up is that debris and how far is it from the plane?
Pembs-surfer@reddit
Defund Space X! 😂
DieCastDontDie@reddit
should have cleaned that windshield.
Wretched_Stoner_9@reddit
Elon playing genshin impact
LDfly97@reddit
This look like the escape scene in the Andor serie. Beautiful
Stock-Blackberry4652@reddit
Stars Ship
antrubler@reddit
So many videos of this event with amazing quality. And not a single one of a UFO
Upstairs-Distance-57@reddit
and that asteroid in russia(?$ i think all the major events r recorded well even in third world countries
Upstairs-Distance-57@reddit
superrr valid lowkey
Fun_Yesterday8428@reddit
Would you as a captain point this out to the passengers as something cool to look at or rather keep it quiet to avoid anyone getting panicky? I guess from the brightness of the sky that the majority of the passengers were not sleeping...
BoechtVanDunaldy@reddit
u/savevideo
bluegum69@reddit
If the debris fell in Interntional waters and someone finds some parts, maybe they can sell it to the Chinese or blue origin😁
No_Olive_3310@reddit
Yikes! Beautiful in a terrifying way
Otherwise_Ocelot_886@reddit
How long until a plane is taken out ?
RainbowBier@reddit
They can track the debris field descending
It's basically like a big storm cloud you're forced to avoid as pilot by air control
Maybe even closed airspace too in the direction of the launch so no plane can even be trapped in a debri field falling
FblthpLives@reddit
Where are you getting this information from? The FAA does not have any space debris tracking capability.
Otherwise_Ocelot_886@reddit
Ah touche, still seems like something very not good could happen one day. Iam all up for exploration, but heck man we don't even know our own ocean. And Mars???? Yall see "Ghosts of Mars" Or "Red Planet"
damgiloveboobs@reddit
Musked!™️
Delicious_Day1113@reddit
😬
Stormdancer@reddit
Autofocus sucks SO MUCH.
Scopebuddy@reddit
We built this City on Rock and Roll
SpitneyBearz@reddit
Omg this is not looking safe!
Notonfoodstamps@reddit
It definitely wasn’t.
A lot of planes had to deviate airspace over the Caribbean
CoatProfessional5026@reddit
Define a lot lmao
Notonfoodstamps@reddit
Something like 40-50 commercial planes.
Space X is absolutely going to get fined for this and have launch privileges restricted after this investigation.
AutisticToasterBath@reddit
You don't understand how this works then. The area was already shut down. They just widen it after the ship exploded.
One-Season-3393@reddit
You don’t understand how the faa works. They won’t be able to launch the next one until the investigation is over but they don’t have the next rocket ready anyways. This won’t affect falcon 9 launches.
Son_of_the_Phantom@reddit
Its beautiful
insaniTY151@reddit
Do you mean over TCI?
cheeseandrum@reddit
You don’t understand, we need to send experimental rockets to space /s
Axipixel@reddit
That's right, we should be permanently trapped on our ever collapsing hell ball until our species ceases to exist
cheeseandrum@reddit
If we can figure out how to terraform all the other hell balls in the hell vacuum of space we can save earth
p00shp00shbebi1234@reddit
Physics is physics dude, we're never going to go and live in the stars. Mars doesn't have air you can breath or water you can drink. The only reason it's an ever collapsing hell ball is because we waste our finite resources on stupid shit like rockets to nowhere.
Mal-De-Terre@reddit
Where do you propose testing them?
cheeseandrum@reddit
I don’t want to leave earth
Rustic_gan123@reddit
Where do you think the rockets are tested?
What_u_say@reddit
This kind of looks like that scene from Battle: LA
Jwatchr@reddit
Just wait til we have spacecraft that are as common as cars are today. This will be just another day
vanhamm3rsly@reddit
He’s filed to do 100 launches out of Vandenberg in 2025. They feel like earthquakes. And when a capsule comes back we get a structure rattling sonic boom. And I’m 50 miles away. I hope we never see a rocket break up over The Channel Islands
weman1970@reddit
To bad musk wasn't on it
Necessary_Enthusiasm@reddit
NASA would not exist if this keeps happening to them as the face of the American space program..
Walking-around-45@reddit
Elon’s chemtrails….
Radiant-Industry2278@reddit
Oh my god… It’s full of stars…
karateninjazombie@reddit
Was that planned? Or a really big oopsy?
QP873@reddit
It was the first time they’d flown a V2 ship, so not planned but also not totally unexpected
airfryerfuntime@reddit
We don't know yet. After separation, only one vacuum engine ignited, then a fire was seen both around the engines, and at the rear of one of the fins around where the engine chiller lines are. SpaceX hasn't said if FTS (self destruct) was triggered, so it could either that, or it just blew up from the fire onboard.
Navi79@reddit
It was a test flight so the possibility of an explosion is there. So I guess not planned but also not an oopsy.
Actual-Money7868@reddit
Test flight where the plumbing and other stuff was redesigned and relocated, not the same configuration as the previous test flight.
Second stage engines had a problem and only one engine was lit and that particular one doesn't gimbal and so it most likely triggered the fail safe and exploded.
The booster returned to earth and was caught successfully.
Not talking about you but others seem to forget that the space shuttle exploded twice and there were numerous accidents leading up to the Apollo missions. They'll learn from this and adapt.
Bright_Broccoli1844@reddit
I hate when people litter the earth.
lothcent@reddit
and seriously-
if everybody in the world -
Lived exactly like you do. the world would be 100% cleaner and back to the state that Eden was when only 2 people and a snake lived there?
you are on reddit- and you are using electricity to get her ( what souce of electricity?)
you are using some sort of device to connect to this place
and a more and more layers of the onion- and you make a bold statement about hating litter.
Do you have a YouTube channel where you show is all how you are doing your part to keep earth litter free?
if so- I'd really be interested in watching it.
I am open minded to alsorts of things and I do love the earth
Bright_Broccoli1844@reddit
By litter, I meant not disposing of trash properly. I just hate trash strewn around. Trash belongs in a garbage can then it enters the waste management system. It looks like techno trash will be floating in the ocean.
QP873@reddit
I’d much rather have this crash ten times before becoming fully reusable than stick with conventional designs. We literally have thousands of rocket cores at the bottom of our oceans. SpaceX wants to put an end to this. If they sink one more while figuring out how to NEVER do it again, I’m all for that.
triplecaptained@reddit
It’s weirdly mesmerizing but the potential of that crushing some unsuspecting family thousands of feet below are… also high
QP873@reddit
The debris field is over water. We aren’t China.
oxiclean9000@reddit
Looking into this...
Mr830BedTime@reddit
🤣
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TheOtherwise_Flow@reddit
Musk spewing trash all over 🙄
Bluechew_Jones@reddit
slight pucker factor
morelsupporter@reddit
LOOK AT ALL THOSE DRONES!
ateknoa@reddit
Aesthetic ✨
ASkywalker13@reddit
Let’s go to the beach-each
Wyatt1419@reddit
Love this for Elon.
bookworm408@reddit
Starship having a normal one...
Darfusdex73@reddit
This looks fairly soon, maybe seconds after breaking up. I wonder how long telemetry lasts between ‘lost contact’ and this. How close in time can the routes / areas be warned of this.
gaylord9000@reddit
It's still blowing up in the video. Take a close look you can see some debris shoot off in the perpendicular direction right as he zooms out.
Dressed_Up_4_Snu_Snu@reddit
Jeez, some SpaceX employees are looking at that, knowing they're gonna be cleaning that up for the next couple of months or so
PrismPhoneService@reddit
Tom Muller.
That’s the name of the legendary aerospace engineer who perfect reusable rockets for SpaceX.
He left Tesla to start his own company in-part due to not being able to stand Elon Musk. At all.
This is why we will continue to see progress stall.
And Musk is about to guy NASA and use it as a piggy-bank in order to make vast amounts of wealth while China completes the first permanent Lunar settlement, setting the stage for us to need them for refueling.. and they’ll probably reach Mars first.
But, hey.. oligarchy and theocratic fascism is so cool, who cares that is destroys R&D, innovation, wages, socio-economic stability, increases the separation of wealth and lets authoritarian regimes surpass thresholds with their own innovations based and improved off of western history & technology.. but Musk needed to buy Twitter and Theil and Google rather help the IDF mass-murder civilians with AI.. but.. “starship”
The only way Starship will work in-time is if Musk is killed in a methane explosion.
aviation-ModTeam@reddit
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ItalianJett@reddit
One thing I know is that if/when China actually starts getting close to any of those things, USA will then go into overdrive to "catchup" and then surpass them.
yourlocalFSDO@reddit
Mueller never worked for Tesla. Him and Musk are still good friends, and he stayed on as an advisor to SpaceX. Can you show me a source that he “can’t stand” Musk?
Rustic_gan123@reddit
He designed the Merlin engine, other people were responsible for the rest.
He never worked at Tesla...
No, NASA pays him money as he makes progress, no progress, no money.
Did you know that China is copying SX developments?
The moon is useless in reaching Mars
_lovemachine@reddit
Mission accomplished. SOLG destroyed
pdxnormal@reddit
Had a conversation with a MAGAite yesterday who was gushing about "Flight 7". "We can now go to Mars and make more lunar landings, blah blah blah. I don't follow melon heads BS so had to ask him what Flight 7 was. Poor MAGAite, this probably ruined his week.
aviation-ModTeam@reddit
This sub is about aviation and the discussion of aviation, not politics and religion.
Cap_of_Maintenance@reddit
If it ruins his week, then he is as ignorant as you are about the Starship program.
tdaun@reddit
You should play dumb and ask how the flight went.
NamTokMoo222@reddit
That sucks.
Glad nobody died and hope they'll learn a lot from this for future launches.
SlightScene9286@reddit
Deconstructed recipes are so hot right now.
rank130@reddit
O RUD! Terrifying
Peepeepoopoobutttoot@reddit
Looks sparkly like a rainbow, guess Elon has finally gone woke
SupermanFanboy@reddit
Joe many liberals
janerbabi@reddit
Elmo got tickled 🌈
Lyssa_Lud@reddit
richest mans toys
physh@reddit
No pollution at all I’m sure
blawmt@reddit
Maybe a shooting starship
Beshmundir@reddit
So fucking pretty looks like its from an anime
jav_2225@reddit
oh wow... beautiful in a very terrifying and very expensive way
DocFail@reddit
Multiply Reentrant Firework
paulbrisson@reddit
MUCK FUSK
NarwhalNelly@reddit
This person needs some help operating their camera
cardboardbox25@reddit
They need to open up a program where billionaires can pay for this service on july 4th, its beautiful
SkyHighExpress@reddit
Beautiful in flight, beautiful in destruction
HiltsTCK@reddit
Way to go Ellen. Can’t imagine that’s very efficient.
BestLeria@reddit
Well, folks, seems like Starship Flight 7 took a scenic route through Turks and Caicos – talk about a layover none of us saw coming, but hey, at least the view was out of this world!
balsadust@reddit
We were right behind you. Want to grab a beer?
balsadust@reddit
Diverted to MYEF as well
chupacabra816@reddit
Get closer
Dedinside13@reddit
Everything Musk touches turns to shit sooner or later
bdubwilliams22@reddit
Anyone know what plane that is? The one they’re flying in, taking this video? I can’t figure it out.
kucingkelelep@reddit
Beautiful yet terrifying
jithization@reddit
it's raining me~~n~~tal, hallelujah
Ok_Track4357@reddit
OMG DRONE ALIENS 👽/s
OriginalNail2071@reddit
Damn Houtis
Robosexual_Bender@reddit
At least it’s not from the underverse.
Dr__-__Beeper@reddit
Your number 16. The 16th personal post list in the last 20 minutes.