Nope, because most people in this world are limp wristed and don't want to work for a living. The idea of breaking your body for money is too much for a lot of westoids to fathom
I don’t understand how some people don’t seem to understand the basics of work:
1. Show up when you are supposed to show op
2. Do what you’re supposed to do
Get an apprenticeship in a trade, join a union and make $120k - $180k / yr
Move where the work is, see the country, meet new people
Marry the person who actually genuinely cares about you. There are alot of them out there. If you can't find one, you might need to work on yourself.
Buy a used car previously owned by an older white man, because you know he took care of it. Never buy brand new cars, because the companies haven't worked out all the problems yet.
Most coupons only work on cheap goyslop or literal poison. Buy raw ingredients and cook your own meals, it's not hard.
Based. I notice that a lot of blue collar work is very well paid, but it seems like at least in America there’s sort of a stigma against blue collar work. White collar work, though paid less and with worse market, is still looked at as better than better paid blue collar work. That’s why I’m learning a trade! 😄
The people who look down on tradesmen are either geriatric or are freshly minted lawyers making $45k a year grinding out traffic tickets 12 hours a day at some shithole law firm with radio commercials. They go home to their studio apartment and rage about rednecks on the internet, but wouldn’t dare look a cement mason in the eye, their testosterone levels aren’t high enough.
I’m a plumber, and make double the median household income for my area by myself. I live very comfortably while working a job where I can bullshit with the lads on the jobsite and be a total chud with zero consequence.
Aren’t plumber also one of the trades that not many people want to get in? I am not sure about US but my country have been having a shortage of plumber and Air conditioning repairer for some times now.
Yes, very difficult to get new plumbers. It’s not a glamorous job.
That does mean it pays very well though. The only trades that pay better are elevator constructors and sometimes sprinkler fitters. Both of those trades are very vulnerable to layoffs when the construction industry has a slow down, and are very difficult to start a new business in.
Elevator maintainer skill certification alone can get you a skill worker visa in A LOT of 1st world countries I personally know someone who get a permanent residency visa in Japan from it.
I don’t look down on tradesman, but muh trades aren’t better than the college route. College degrees that aren’t psychology or some bullshit like that still make a very good living with the added benefit of not putting wear and tear on your body.
Not saying it’s not a good option for some people, but trades guys love to put down college to make themselves feel better about their life choices.
It seems like a decent deal until you're 50 and your body hurts all the time. Tho I'm sure none of those people are thinking of that, they just can't help themselves from looking down on others
That's the reason trade jobs are in demand and the pay is so high. Children or blue collar workers see their parents with fucked up knees or backs and go for white collar jobs. pay be dammed.
The stigma against blue collar work is inherited from previous generations. As trades pay more and more nowadays and college degrees are worth less and less, I'm sure people will change their tune soon enough.
"Get an apprenticeship in a trade, join a union and make $120k - $180k / yr"
Can this narrative please fucking stop. There's no apprentice in any trade, in any area of the US, that pulls over 100k. Union or not. Maybe after 30 years in a union or running your own business you MIGHT start seeing those numbers. Its extremely dangerous to spread these lies as a lot of young men think they can make 6 figures by walking up to a job site and running wire.
Elevator mechanics in my local make $55 an hour. Granted that’s after a 4 year paid apprenticeship. So not quite the after 30 years you’re talking about but not just walking up to a jobsite either, but very doable. If you start when you’re 18-20 you’re set by your mid 20s
Yeah 30 years was a bit of exaggeration. And yeah there are def higher paying jobs like elevator and hvac(that ususually require living in higher COL areas). They are also extremely sought after and unless you know someone already in good fucking luck getting a union gig. Most of these guys know that those jobs are golden tickets and they don't just give them to the first broccoli haired zoomer that walks in.
hurr dur you won't post personal info on le reddit so clearly you are lying
You might actually be retarded. Me not posting my pay stub doesn't make me a liar. Me being a redditor in general makes me a liar. Never trust anything you read online
He was about 21 years old. I can't remember the exact time frame, but it was a rotational program for like two years. Six months one year and then six months the next. I remember him saying it was very hard for him to get into the program.
You're right, it's prestigious, and he still ended UK making $80k. I'm sure he will make more in a few years down the line. But people saying $130-180k sounds insane for someone who just passed the apprenticeship
Cleveland where their headquarters are at. He was originally from a southern state. I agree with you, that even 70k+ is a lot. But it was a an intensive welding program that he was in and he mentioned it was very selective. So that I can understand why the starting salary was so high.
But that also leads me to question all the other people saying that people are coming out of trades making $180k. That sounds completely fabricated.
I worked 5 hours as a dock worker and got paid about 50 bucks.
If i work 5 hours at my day job i get paid probably at least 260 bucks
Working 5 hours on the docks was constant labor without a break, and constantly getting yelled at.
Working 5 hours at my job i can fuck around on reddit every 10 minutes, and a lot of the time i just do nothing, im only overloaded once or twice a week.
With how prohibitively expensive college has become over the last few decades, yes. Colleges in the US are businesses first and educational institutions second. They care more about milking every last drop of money out of you and forcing you to apply for financial aid than actually teaching you.
College is not expensive if you do it right. My wife and I both have our masters and no college debt. 2 years of community college, 2 years at an in state college, and our masters were paid for by our jobs we got after college. We make 300k combined now.
If you’re a man marrying 10 years older, oof. +/- <5 is the ideal. You don’t have to get all funko pop about it but it helps if you grew up on the same cartoons, the same cultural beats happening at the same stage in life. I can’t relate to anyone who had a mortgage when 9/11 happened, or who didn’t exist yet.
Skipping collage might be a good idea if you can obtain a skill or trade another way. Don't doordash every single day, or every week for that matter, be a bit thrifty - keep a budget, drop as many subscription services as you can, compare prices, clip coupons, buy discounted soon expired groceries.
Understand you won't live in the inner city on your income, you CAN find a good place to live for a fair price, but you might need to commute a little. Also you don't need this year's iPhone, you don't need to throw money at onlyfans whores, and you probably don't need a brand new car.
who_am_I__who_are_u@reddit
Trade jobs don't exist, it's a psyop!
Ask a tradesman how he got into trades and he won't be able to give you a straight answer.
Milsurp_Seeker@reddit
I remember calling 3 unions out here and every automated phone call went nowhere.
Blackout1154@reddit
Haven't they been saying " join the trades bro make 100k" for like a decade now? Shit's probably full, especially the programs that pay well.
roscle@reddit
Nope, because most people in this world are limp wristed and don't want to work for a living. The idea of breaking your body for money is too much for a lot of westoids to fathom
Blackout1154@reddit
the fuck would you want to break your body for money if you don't have to... health is wealth, my friend.
roscle@reddit
Because I like job security. I don't like being the idea of AI making me obsolete just because some Twitter bro tells me to learn to code.
Blackout1154@reddit
Nice.. good luck.
bigmoodyninja@reddit
Friend of mine is a general contractor and introduced me to the guy in charge of hiring for an electrical company
I’m reliable, friend said I’m reliable, electrical bro said, “I think you’re reliable”
Got the job
who_am_I__who_are_u@reddit
Lying comes easily to some people I see.
bigmoodyninja@reddit
Source: I’m reliable
kekmennsfw@reddit
I don’t understand how some people don’t seem to understand the basics of work: 1. Show up when you are supposed to show op 2. Do what you’re supposed to do
Blackout1154@reddit
bigmoodyninja@reddit
Naw that’s clearly just lies from the white man or something lol
TypicalMootis@reddit
DrDMango@reddit
Based. I notice that a lot of blue collar work is very well paid, but it seems like at least in America there’s sort of a stigma against blue collar work. White collar work, though paid less and with worse market, is still looked at as better than better paid blue collar work. That’s why I’m learning a trade! 😄
ihatemalkoun@reddit
>That’s why I’m learning a trade! 😄
u r stoooopid
DrDMango@reddit
hows that job market looking?
ihatemalkoun@reddit
i earn almost 200k from my two jobs combined, one is tutoring high schoolers part time, one is my job at big corpo
and 200k is a much bigger salary in korea than it is in america
edbods@reddit
shit in the US is already extremely cheap compared to other places so that's not saying much
ihatemalkoun@reddit
?
i dont understand.
in the US wages are better and cost of living is generally lower
edbods@reddit
200k usd is still 200k usd wherever you go. with local exchange rates etc. the money will go further still
ihatemalkoun@reddit
What are you talking about idiot
In korea not many people earn 200k wages compared to America.
Idiot
edbods@reddit
is a lot different to
ihatemalkoun@reddit
im sorry i thought no one would be stupid enough to interpret it the way you did, congrats
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edbods@reddit
lol they say only idiots don't plan ahead
PLZ-PM-ME-UR-TITS@reddit
Hes cooked, brainrot got to him
PLZ-PM-ME-UR-TITS@reddit
....win stoooopid prizes
Kevthebassman@reddit
The people who look down on tradesmen are either geriatric or are freshly minted lawyers making $45k a year grinding out traffic tickets 12 hours a day at some shithole law firm with radio commercials. They go home to their studio apartment and rage about rednecks on the internet, but wouldn’t dare look a cement mason in the eye, their testosterone levels aren’t high enough.
I’m a plumber, and make double the median household income for my area by myself. I live very comfortably while working a job where I can bullshit with the lads on the jobsite and be a total chud with zero consequence.
HappySphereMaster@reddit
Aren’t plumber also one of the trades that not many people want to get in? I am not sure about US but my country have been having a shortage of plumber and Air conditioning repairer for some times now.
Kevthebassman@reddit
Yes, very difficult to get new plumbers. It’s not a glamorous job.
That does mean it pays very well though. The only trades that pay better are elevator constructors and sometimes sprinkler fitters. Both of those trades are very vulnerable to layoffs when the construction industry has a slow down, and are very difficult to start a new business in.
HappySphereMaster@reddit
Elevator maintainer skill certification alone can get you a skill worker visa in A LOT of 1st world countries I personally know someone who get a permanent residency visa in Japan from it.
MJisaFraud@reddit
I don’t look down on tradesman, but muh trades aren’t better than the college route. College degrees that aren’t psychology or some bullshit like that still make a very good living with the added benefit of not putting wear and tear on your body.
Not saying it’s not a good option for some people, but trades guys love to put down college to make themselves feel better about their life choices.
PLZ-PM-ME-UR-TITS@reddit
It seems like a decent deal until you're 50 and your body hurts all the time. Tho I'm sure none of those people are thinking of that, they just can't help themselves from looking down on others
Matt2580@reddit
That's the reason trade jobs are in demand and the pay is so high. Children or blue collar workers see their parents with fucked up knees or backs and go for white collar jobs. pay be dammed.
flex_tape_salesman@reddit
Ya this is basically it. My dad is just 55 and he's constantly in pain and regularly can't sleep. He has wrecked himself.
gamamoder@reddit
its hard thats why i dobnt do it
i like climate control
Lolazaurus@reddit
The stigma against blue collar work is inherited from previous generations. As trades pay more and more nowadays and college degrees are worth less and less, I'm sure people will change their tune soon enough.
BigCaregiver2381@reddit
Just being capable as a man is worth a lot. It’s hard to look at some of the guys out there these days being so helpless.
DextersBrain@reddit
"Get an apprenticeship in a trade, join a union and make $120k - $180k / yr"
Can this narrative please fucking stop. There's no apprentice in any trade, in any area of the US, that pulls over 100k. Union or not. Maybe after 30 years in a union or running your own business you MIGHT start seeing those numbers. Its extremely dangerous to spread these lies as a lot of young men think they can make 6 figures by walking up to a job site and running wire.
DaKillaGorilla@reddit
Elevator mechanics in my local make $55 an hour. Granted that’s after a 4 year paid apprenticeship. So not quite the after 30 years you’re talking about but not just walking up to a jobsite either, but very doable. If you start when you’re 18-20 you’re set by your mid 20s
DextersBrain@reddit
Yeah 30 years was a bit of exaggeration. And yeah there are def higher paying jobs like elevator and hvac(that ususually require living in higher COL areas). They are also extremely sought after and unless you know someone already in good fucking luck getting a union gig. Most of these guys know that those jobs are golden tickets and they don't just give them to the first broccoli haired zoomer that walks in.
VegasVator@reddit
This hasn't been true for quite some time now with most trade unions. You are the one spreading the false information about unions.
Wail_Bait@reddit
I looked into that a few years ago, and it's basically impossible to get into the union. It's a good job if you can somehow get in though.
DaKillaGorilla@reddit
I mean I made but I also have this cheat code called being a veteran
VegasVator@reddit
I make over 100k my first year as an apprentice. Top tier trade working crazy hours though.
TypicalMootis@reddit
K
-Sincerely, a guy who graduated a tradesman apprenticeship, joined a Union, and makes 160k a year
DextersBrain@reddit
Let's see the paystub then stud.
TypicalMootis@reddit
Nah
DextersBrain@reddit
Fucking thought so
TypicalMootis@reddit
You might actually be retarded. Me not posting my pay stub doesn't make me a liar. Me being a redditor in general makes me a liar. Never trust anything you read online
pantsfish@reddit
lemme tell ya
the trades are great
for being able to
keep yourself in
great physical shape, it's like a free workout
I just love how
the trades allow me to
afford a great life
with no college
not like those dumbass kids majoring in women's lit or DEI crap
they wish they had my life
sdrakedrake@reddit
My mom rented out basement as an Airbnb for a guy who took an apprenticeship at general electric.
He ended up making 80ish-k.
$120-180 sounds more senior level.
DextersBrain@reddit
Tbh general electric is a pretty prestigious company im assuming they didn't hire the dude right out of high school.
sdrakedrake@reddit
He was about 21 years old. I can't remember the exact time frame, but it was a rotational program for like two years. Six months one year and then six months the next. I remember him saying it was very hard for him to get into the program.
You're right, it's prestigious, and he still ended UK making $80k. I'm sure he will make more in a few years down the line. But people saying $130-180k sounds insane for someone who just passed the apprenticeship
domiy2@reddit
Man that's a lot more than my friends, is he living in California or something. Because in the Midwest 70k starting would be insane.
sdrakedrake@reddit
Cleveland where their headquarters are at. He was originally from a southern state. I agree with you, that even 70k+ is a lot. But it was a an intensive welding program that he was in and he mentioned it was very selective. So that I can understand why the starting salary was so high.
But that also leads me to question all the other people saying that people are coming out of trades making $180k. That sounds completely fabricated.
ProtoLibturd@reddit
21 years old.
coolmode121@reddit
No, war and famine is extremely dangerous. Words matter, stop thinking like a fuckin baby
cheapdrinks@reddit
$70k a year working at Panda Express even seems a bit high
Poopdicks69@reddit
My KFC manager was making 80k in 2010.
nullstring@reddit
Sounds like the right amount for a store manager.
ProtoLibturd@reddit
vs the lie they can major in english and ecology with 100k debt and be better of?
silkwev@reddit
> Skip college
95% of the jobs you will find pay 15/h and below.
>Get an apprenticeship in a trade, join a union
You are not getting into a union job without knowing someone. That means years of working the same shit job until you make enough friends in places.
>Move where the work is
Where rent is 200% more per month
>Buy a used car previously owned by an older white man
15 year old car still selling for 10-15k. If toyota or honda. GM or Ford for 9k. Both have 180k miles
TypicalMootis@reddit
Oh boy, sounds like life is just completely fucked. Better just end it
Coronabandito@reddit
Bruh why are you being proactive and investing in your future. President Pol Pot will hand free me stuff and make everyone equal.
Banana_Keeper@reddit
Unless you wear glasses 🤓
nikoll-toma@reddit
TypicalMootis@reddit
Kingofcheeses@reddit
As an older white man I can attest to the accuracy of this statement
SensationalSavior@reddit
Worked blue collar. I'm not entirely a fan of 60-70 hour weeks, that's why I went back to college lol
TypicalMootis@reddit
I hope you find a better career, good luck in college
SensationalSavior@reddit
Since I'm a glutton for punishment, I chose Social Work. After working with these dipshits for years, I'm pretty sure I can handle it. Thanks homie!
I didn't leave the trades voluntary, blew out 4 discs with a jackhammer
IHateGropplerZorn@reddit
This 🥷🏿 dun
✂️ the 🐃 💩
Utnemod@reddit
I make over 60k a year with a GED and work from home setting my own hours.
Three months ago I was homeless living on the streets and smoking crack.
People that complain are really really stupid. Complaints are only excuses for why you can't achieve something.
ihatemalkoun@reddit
is it that hard to sit your ass down and just go to a decent college.
its like 7 years of mildly annoying work in exchange for 50 years of much easier work for much more money, its that hard?
the_oniontaker@reddit
7 years?
Much easier work?
Much more money?
I can't tell if you're 70 or 7
ihatemalkoun@reddit
3 years high school, 4 years college
I worked 5 hours as a dock worker and got paid about 50 bucks.
If i work 5 hours at my day job i get paid probably at least 260 bucks
Working 5 hours on the docks was constant labor without a break, and constantly getting yelled at.
Working 5 hours at my job i can fuck around on reddit every 10 minutes, and a lot of the time i just do nothing, im only overloaded once or twice a week.
Im 32
kekmennsfw@reddit
A dock worker isn’t a trade
ihatemalkoun@reddit
i wouldnt be make roughly 260/hour welding or fixing cars would i.
not to mention, fixing cars ruins your body, and welding ruins your body and ruins your eyes.
not to mention you probably cant weld for 9-5
SunderedValley@reddit
Everyone who's worked in a white collar job for more than 20 years will tell you they wouldn't even get through the door with their skills nowadays.
ihatemalkoun@reddit
maybe work harder than. americans dont study anyways
Lordgeorge16@reddit
With how prohibitively expensive college has become over the last few decades, yes. Colleges in the US are businesses first and educational institutions second. They care more about milking every last drop of money out of you and forcing you to apply for financial aid than actually teaching you.
MangoShadeTree@reddit
don't go for the "experience", go for the 2 year CC and then the 4 year when you are ready to finish
Poopdicks69@reddit
College is not expensive if you do it right. My wife and I both have our masters and no college debt. 2 years of community college, 2 years at an in state college, and our masters were paid for by our jobs we got after college. We make 300k combined now.
ColorlessTune@reddit
Is that the AVGN?
DonnieMoistX@reddit
Redditors when they don’t want to accept that most of their problems are their fault
mildlyoctopus@reddit
Change “redditors” to “everyone”
Puking_In_Disgust@reddit
If you’re a man marrying 10 years older, oof. +/- <5 is the ideal. You don’t have to get all funko pop about it but it helps if you grew up on the same cartoons, the same cultural beats happening at the same stage in life. I can’t relate to anyone who had a mortgage when 9/11 happened, or who didn’t exist yet.
Mysterious-Dust-9448@reddit
ngmi
SunderedValley@reddit
Reduces the buy-in price for the relationship by tens of thousands of bucks and hours.
FuckRedditIsLame@reddit
Skipping collage might be a good idea if you can obtain a skill or trade another way. Don't doordash every single day, or every week for that matter, be a bit thrifty - keep a budget, drop as many subscription services as you can, compare prices, clip coupons, buy discounted soon expired groceries.
Understand you won't live in the inner city on your income, you CAN find a good place to live for a fair price, but you might need to commute a little. Also you don't need this year's iPhone, you don't need to throw money at onlyfans whores, and you probably don't need a brand new car.
Officer_Trevor_Lahey@reddit
Have to take a loan to buy yourself some bootstraps
whycantpeoplebenice@reddit
Saving money is as good as earning money.
MangoShadeTree@reddit
said the fired walmart greeter
jmlinden7@reddit
49 years later that crack shack is worth 1.3 million, so you can sell it and retire in Florida or wherever the future equivalent will be