What co-developed cars came in different body styles?

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snatch1e@reddit

The Chevrolet Camaro and Pontiac Firebird were co-developed and both came as coupes and convertibles, though the Camaro was generally more popular.

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driftking428@reddit

The Dodge Caliber is a wagon/hatchback. The Lancer Evo X was a sedan.

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sxtrailrider@reddit

Those share a platform? That makes me think the SRT4 caliber might be pretty fun...

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H8MakingAccounts@reddit

No, bad thoughts!

Dodge avenger was also that platform (the ugly one, not the sporty one from the 90s)
Chrysler 200
Dodge journey

Lots of...crap

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_GS_platform

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P10_WRC@reddit

The dodge avenger in the 90s was based on the dsm platform for the eclipse and talon. I don’t think the avenger had a convertible but the eclipse did so that would be a good example

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spongebob_meth@reddit

Yes. The srt caliber engine was very similar to the 4b11 in the evolution.

FWD only though, so its not really a good car. I like the neon srt4 better.

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Grambo-47@reddit

There’s one in my work parking lot with a massive front mount intercooler, so there’s at least someone out there who thinks they’re worth building

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R_V_Z@reddit

Thinking about buying a Dodge Caliber is justification for a wellness check.

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driftking428@reddit

If you could get one in AWD I probably would have bought one back in the day.

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Sorta-kinda. The platform was a joint Chrysler / Mitsubishi project for a while, but the two companies went their separate ways about halfway through. I don't think you can feel any Evo in a Caliber... Though it would be fun to see for sure.

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spongebob_meth@reddit

Why are you just looking at the evo? Every generation of lancer was sold as a wagon/hatchback.

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driftking428@reddit

To answer OPs question the Evo X did not come in the same body style as the co-developed Caliber.

Yes the Lancer did but in the US I've probably seen under 5 of them ever.

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spongebob_meth@reddit

I've seen a ton of the ralliart lancers in the US. More than evos.

Though they are pretty rare now. Their DCT was junk and they mostly went to the junkyard or are sitting in someone's back yard.

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xXxDickBonerz69xXx@reddit

Does the Evo count as a distinct model? Cause that generation Lancer was available as a hatch.

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driftking428@reddit

Probably not. I just felt the post was cooler if I said Evo instead of Lancer.

Wasn't it a few years before they made a sport back?

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xXxDickBonerz69xXx@reddit

Not sure to be honest. I've seen like 3 of them ever lol

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Fair_Sweet8014@reddit

First gen Miata shared a platform with the Ford Laser.

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zachwagon_gaming@reddit

3000GT and Dodge Stealth

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Adioogt@reddit

yep

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The_DaHowie@reddit

Toyota Matix/Pontiac Vibe

That was a great car ahead of it's time

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Energy4Days@reddit

The matrix had a sloping roof before coupe SUVs became a thing

Ahead of it's time

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Drzhivago138@reddit

The Matrix/Vibe was just a hatchback, no?

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Energy4Days@reddit

Had a taller ride height than the typical hatchback

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Drzhivago138@reddit

True, 61" is pretty tall when your competitors are in the mid 50"s.

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New_Inside3001@reddit

Opel Speedster and Vauxhall and Lotus

Mini countryman and f40 m125 and m235

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cannedrex2406@reddit

Better example would be the Mini convertible and BMW 2 series Gran Tourer (small MPV)

Looking at them, you'd never know they were the same platform

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Jlaybythebay@reddit

Or now the mini countryman jcw and the x1 m35

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New_Inside3001@reddit

TBH they’re definitely the same platform but the X1 feels a lot more premium

New minis are just a quirky mess, they’ve lost their formula, lightweight go kart cars with cool interiors

Now they’re heavy and bulky “small” cars, with vegan leather with a mirror mirror on the wall type of head unit

Will drag in new clients but in the process they’ve alienated their past ones

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cannedrex2406@reddit

New minis are just a quirky mess, they’ve lost their formula, lightweight go kart cars with cool interiors

I mean the countrymans were never small, but the new minis are only about 150kg more than the old R53 ones. It's not that bad. It's still lighter than almost any other hatchback on the market while still making 200+bhp

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New_Inside3001@reddit

Electric JCW enters chat at 1800kg

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cannedrex2406@reddit

Yeah we don't talk about that

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New_Inside3001@reddit

I’ve been dailying a Mini Cooper se from a family member recently and idk, it’s still fun, but it lost all of it’s nimbleness

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cannedrex2406@reddit

I mean it is hard when the car is a pure electric. There's only so much engineering that can be done in the present.

Hopefully battery density can massively improve in the future for lightweight batteries to exist

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New_Inside3001@reddit

Oh that would be the dream

But I really see no point in a sporty EV for the time being, straight line speed gets boring quick, agility and handling is so much more what sports cars are about imho

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cannedrex2406@reddit

Fully agree with that as well 👍

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Jlaybythebay@reddit

Def. It’s a slightly cheaper BMW with no dash. I’d go with the bmw no doubt

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FS16@reddit

same thing goes for almost all modern FWD platforms. VW's MQB for example, Polo, Audi TT, Atlas, T-Roc convertible, ... , all the same platform

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DrSpaceman575@reddit

Speaking of Opel they also had the 2007 GT which was basically a Saturn Sky or Pontiac Solstice, which was also the basis for the 3 wheeled Polaris Slingshot.

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LeanGroundQueef@reddit

Mini and F40 holdup

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JediKnightaa@reddit

Sorry buddy but redditors can't take jokes

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lhturbo@reddit

Not the Ferrari lol. The bmw chassis code

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gimpwiz@reddit

Even inside Lotus, there's the Elise, Exige, the race car which is technically its own model, and the Europa S2 - which I don't get at all - was a type 121 but basically sat on the 111 I think?

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27ce@reddit

pretty sure i read before that the last gen taurus and the explorer from the same era share a platform

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RichardNixon345@reddit

Flex, MKT, and Explorer were on the D4 variant, Five Hundred/Taurus, Montego/Sable, MKS, and Freestyle/Taurus X were on the D3 variant.

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FlatBrokeEconomist@reddit

Dodge Shadow and Plymouth Sundance Duster. The Shadow had a convertible.

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bandi53@reddit

Absolutely identical cars from the same parent company, Plymouth just didn’t offer a convertible.

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jondes99@reddit

Yeah, it’s kind of like the GM J cars that came in 2, 3 and 4 doors, a convertible and a wagon but the divisions didn’t all sell all of them.

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bandi53@reddit

How cool would a Z24 or Sunbird GT wagon have been?

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jondes99@reddit

Or a Cimarron convertible?

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bandi53@reddit

That would be been a fantastic competitor for the LeBaron!

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Drzhivago138@reddit

That honestly seems like a missed opportunity.

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bandi53@reddit

Exactly!

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FlatBrokeEconomist@reddit

Well no, not identical, because one wasn't a convertible. Isn't that the question of the post?

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bandi53@reddit

Not really. And the Shadow was also available in non-convertible form as well.

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IndustrialDesignLife@reddit

My buddy has a 1998 Eclipse GSX and it’s basically a rebodied Evo 3.

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jawnlerdoe@reddit

Miata and Fiata.

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uaexemarat@reddit

windshield

Isn't the windshield the same?

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jawnlerdoe@reddit

Same dimensions, the fiata windshield is thicker for better sound deadening of wind. Mazda purposefully went with a light weight windshield.

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smackbarmpeywet2@reddit

They’re both roadsters though?

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Specialist-Size9368@reddit

Miata could come with the PRHT. Fiat never got it. Still a roadster though.

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uaexemarat@reddit

Fiat got an ultralight hardtop (124 GT), which the miata didn't and it didn't even have the mounting points for it

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xXxDickBonerz69xXx@reddit

The Fiata uses an NC transmission. But the rest of it is ND.

NC was the power retracting hard top. The ND has the RF which is a power targa top.

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Specialist-Size9368@reddit

I owned one and an nc. I am well aware and already commented on this.

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rp_guy@reddit

They’re telling you PRHT doesn’t apply to the ND. It’s called the RF. So PRHT doesn’t apply to the Fiat.

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RunninOnMT@reddit

Maybe the Sky/Solstice would also fit, since that's an actual fixed top not a power folding one.

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Specialist-Size9368@reddit

Except it wasn't a real fixed top. Pontiac was cheap and grafted it on the roadster which is why it is heavier than a convertible instead of lighter.

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Specialist-Size9368@reddit

Had an abarth, interior was the same as the miata. Also meant you could use the miata guides to hack the infotainment and unlock it.

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gimpwiz@reddit

The what now? I gotta look into this, eh?

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jawnlerdoe@reddit

Certain interior trim pieces like the door cards, steering wheel center piece, and seats are different.

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Specialist-Size9368@reddit

Seats were pretty much the same. The "center piece" is the emblem. Fiat was so cheap they wouldn't even bring in the abarth emblem from europe.

You are pretty much nitpicking. Chevy has more differences between trim levels on the same model.

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Noopy9@reddit

Weren’t those both only available as convertibles?

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xXxDickBonerz69xXx@reddit

The ND is available as a targa

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jawnlerdoe@reddit

Correct, although the Miata is available as a hard top.

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Noopy9@reddit

Does the hardtop generation of the Miata have a Fiat version?

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jawnlerdoe@reddit

Nope!

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cholula_is_good@reddit

Fiata is the best nickname in auto history

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Zappiticas@reddit

I’m also a pretty big fan of Saabaru and Trollblazer, the Saab 9-3 and 9-7.

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Random_Introvert_42@reddit

The gearbox in the Fiat is from the NC Mazda.

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jawnlerdoe@reddit

Correct, but not the same trans as the ND.

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Specialist-Size9368@reddit

This was due to the fiat motor having more torque. Upside it didn't break like the miata's downside is the nc transmission (had a 13 club spec) was just as notchy in my 18 abarth.

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xIcarus227@reddit

I read 'Miata and Fiesta' and was hella confused for a second.

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samdtho@reddit

2001-2007 Ford Escape
2000-2008 Mazda Tribute
2004-2007 Mercury Mariner

Fun fact, if you got the Duratec 3.0L V6 in these, that engine was mostly designed by Porsche.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

The Mazda had different body panels, while the Mercury was a simple clip swap. After 2007 they shared even more parts.

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albertgt40@reddit (OP)

Wasn’t the Aston Martin v12 from that era “just” two Taurus 3.0s put together?

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samdtho@reddit

I think that ended up being a myth because then did reengineer it, however when you look at the two engines, the AML V12 just looks like a Duratec 30 with additional cylinders copy pasted to extend its length.

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k_dubious@reddit

SUV versions of pickups are very common:

Ford F-150/Expedition/Excursion/Lincoln Navigator
Chevy Silverado/Tahoe/Suburban/GMC Yukon/Cadillac Escalade
Toyota Tundra/Sequoia
etc.

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Drzhivago138@reddit

They are, but not many are codeveloped by separate companies.

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Notonfoodstamps@reddit

Maserati MC12 & Ferrari Enzo

To a lesser degree….

Audi Q8 & Lamborghini Urus

R8 (second gen) & Lamborghini Huracan

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jondes99@reddit

You can throw the Audi TT in with the Golf, too.

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Grambo-47@reddit

I thought the TT was based on the New Beetle chassis? Could be mistaken

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jondes99@reddit

You’re not wrong, but they’re all related to the Golf.

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TunerJoe@reddit

Which just happens to be the same platform as the VW Golf Mk4, first gen Audi A3 and a few other cars as well.

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Notonfoodstamps@reddit

I was todays year old when I found this out

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TheGuyDoug@reddit

What's different about the body styles of all these pairs? Are the Q8 and Urus not both SUVs/CUVs/whatever-UVs?

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MedCaptain@reddit

Fiat 500 and Ford Ka

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Jlaybythebay@reddit

Jeep compass and Mitsubishi lancer

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Random_Introvert_42@reddit

The Dodge Charger (/Challenger?) is based on an old Mercedes E-Class.

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claspen@reddit

I was waiting for someone to post the most commonly repeated myth. No they're not. The LX platform is based on the LH platform converted to RWD with some Mercedes parts (transmission, rear suspension). Parts bin sharing, but different platforms.

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mightguy@reddit

As is the Chrysler 300

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Saleable_@reddit

Any Lexus/toyota on the TNGA platforms. Drive a C-HR back to back with a UX and you wouldn’t be able to tell they’re the same underpinnings

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Stainless_Heart@reddit

The Fiat Tipo Quattro platform spawned four cars: Saab 9000, Fiat Croma, Alfa Romeo 164, and Lancia Thema.

The Fiat and Lancia looked much like the Saab, but the Alfa Romeo only shared the chassis. The Saab and Fiat were launched as five-door hatchbacks and the Alfa Romeo and Lancia sold as four-door saloons. Lancia added the only Type Four estate in 1986 and Saab eventually added a saloon version of the 9000 in 1988.

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Slideways@reddit

The Montevdi Safari didn't have a removable top, the Scout II it was based on did.

The Chrysler Crossfire was available as a hardtop, the SLK it was based on was always a convertible.

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Capri280@reddit

I wouldn't called the Monteverdi codeveloped. IH didn't have any input in its development, the Safari is more like coachbuilding with extra steps

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albertgt40@reddit (OP)

Oh you just made me think of the crossfire for the first time in years haha! Oh guess that counts for the Cadillac XLR too which was a corvette but with a folding hardtop.

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Slideways@reddit

Yeah, we didn't get a folding hardtop Corvette until C8.

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ellWatully@reddit

I don't know if it qualifies as co-developed, but the original Saab 9-3 was on the same platform as the Vectra. While the Vectra was only available as a 4 door sedan, the Saab was available as a 3 door hatch, a 5 door hatch, and a 2 door convertible.

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arsinoe716@reddit

The Ford Probe (hatchback) and the Mazda MX-6 (2 door coupe).

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coyoteatemyhomework@reddit

Brz comes to mind

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Okish_Entertainer83@reddit

Pontiac Vibe and the Toyota Matrix?

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RunninOnMT@reddit

Both hatchbacks though.

Pontiac Vibe and Toyota Corolla though....the U.S. did not get a hatchback Corolla that gen (because...we got the Matrix)

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PlatinumElement@reddit

And strangely enough, Japan didn’t get the Matrix, they got the Vibe rebranded as the Toyota Voltz

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BrenMan_94@reddit

Kia Sedona and Hyundai Entourage

Eerily similar while also being pretty different (on the outside).

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Skeptical_AF@reddit

Ford Probe & Mazda MX6

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xXxDickBonerz69xXx@reddit

They were both only coupes though?

The 626 was the 4 door

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jondes99@reddit

And Mazda 626.

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juwyro@reddit

Subaru/Saab/GM with the Saab 9-2xmight count. The Saabaru is wagon only while the Impreza is wagon or sedan.

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grundlemon@reddit

Pontiac vibe and toyota matrix?

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secretagentarch@reddit

Opel Vectra A and Saab 900. Same car, but they only share 5% of the parts.

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RunninOnMT@reddit

Platform sharing leads to a bunch of “we’ll akchually” answers if you want to be a smart ass about it.

Here’s my example: 350z ragtop rides on the G35 sedan platform that never came as a convertible.

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jondes99@reddit

There was a G35 convertible, akshually. It might have been a G37. Haven’t seen one in years.

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RunninOnMT@reddit

Yeah, it was the G37, which was a 370Z, which...fun fact: Did not share a single body panel with the 350Z. It even has a different wheelbase than the 350Z, but people think the 350 and 370 are the same car, which is only....mostly true hehe.

You are correct about the FX35/45 too! Same platform!

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TunerJoe@reddit

The G35 still had a hardtop coupe version though, I think the question is about cars that share platforms but have no common body styles

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RunninOnMT@reddit

Ahh gotcha, mutually exclusive, not just one way. That makes sense

I dunno if the G35/Z thing works in that case. If i wanted to insist, I could say the 350Z was shorter and never had back seats while the G35 was longer and in both coupe and sedan form always had back seats. But I dunno if that's enough to call it it's own body style. Plenty of cars come with optional rear seats, eg Mustang, 911 (though those cars have the same wheelbase with rear seat deletes, the Z is shorter than the G35 coupe.)

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HankSteakfist@reddit

Does the Audi S3 Sedan and Volkswagen Golf R.

Audi/VW may be cheating.

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