What type of person cannot be a pilot?
Posted by Sky_Raccoon7332@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 58 comments
Aside from medical issues that could disqualify a person from pursuing a career in aviation, what personality traits and/ aspects of someone's character and life would push you to believe they wouldn't succeed at becoming a pilot?
Weaponized_Puddle@reddit
Look up the hazardous attitudes. Think long and hard if you are one of those.
GuppyDriver737@reddit
I think if we are being honest with ourselves, we all have a hazardous attitude. The person that can be a pilot is one that can self reflect on it and try to get better. Someone who thinks they are perfect the way they are, should not.
Weaponized_Puddle@reddit
Agreed. I interpret them to be more of a sliding scale for everyone, like the fallout special skill tree.
dieseltaco@reddit
Just set luck to 10 and ship it
Acceptable-Wrap4453@reddit
“Taking risks is foolish”
HateJobLoveManU@reddit
"It could happen to me"
Altec5499@reddit
I was about to comment this. The initial reply to OP makes it seem like if you have a hazardous attitude you cannot be a pilot. Absolutely not true. No one is perfect like you said. A good pilot will continue to work on themselves. To succeed you have to constantly be willing to seek more knowledge. It’s like playing golf. You can play the game, but you’ll never beat the game. Strive to try and beat the game and you’ll go far
FossilFuelBurner@reddit
Lack of attention to detail which I think is a fancy way of saying lazy when your life and others’ depends on it. This can be corrected with some self reflection and some motivation.
Lack of situational awareness, which I’ve found basically just manifests as the inability to multitask. I’ve never seen this be fixed, but I’m open to evidence to the contrary.
Indecisiveness. Could possibly be corrected with some self reflection and gaining some confidence. But flight training will destroy your confidence at times for even the best of us.
All three will kill you, and when 80% of accidents are pilot error, you’ll join that group sooner or later.
Not_a_average_indian@reddit
What do you mean by situation awareness related to multitasking ?
FossilFuelBurner@reddit
Which I believe is directly correlated with an inability to multitask.
Or alternatively, flying a plane, using the radios, looking for traffic, looking at a map, flying low, taking pictures, dodging birds, looking for antennas, monitoring gauges. This list is not exhaustive.
JennyBeatty@reddit
“What does it take to be an airline pilot? Do I have to be super-smart or go to college or have some special aptitude?”
Short answer: Not exactly, no, but yeah kinda sorta.
Long answer:
INTELLIGENCE: You don’t need to be a genius or a math whiz or write with perfect grammar, but you DO need to be a bit above average smart. Not necessarily take-apart-and-rebuild-a-computer or -engine smart, but basic math and science and English smart, common-sense smart, problem-solving smart, able to read and comprehend technical manuals and complex charts smart, able to find your way around new places and experiences smart. Also need to have executive brain functioning, organized thinking, and planning skills.
Contraindications: Smart but OOOH SHINY! Smart but clueless, oblivious. Smart but hyperfocused/fixated/disorganized thinking. (NOTE: Some kids just need more time for their brains to finish developing. Give it time, re-visit flying lessons later.)
COLLEGE: You don’t need to be class valedictorian, and don’t even have to have a college degree. But there’s a reason aviation colleges require students to maintain a minimum GPA to stay in flight training. You need the self-discipline to focus and study and learn in a structured environment, keeping up with a curriculum and timetable set by others. This includes studying and learning subjects that may not particularly interesting to you. You need to know how you best learn. How to reach milestones on time. How to take tests. How to handle the stress and pressure of studying and deadlines and taking tests. And you need to be ready to continue studying and learning and training and testing throughout your entire pilot career — all requirements by the FAA and the airlines. Many people establish these study and test-taking and stress-management skills as Advanced Placement high schoolers or as college students — I’m just saying.
Want to skip college? That will work as long as the airlines are grabbing every qualified pilot. Once they begin to be more selective among all qualified applicants, as before, the four-year college degree will carry weight again. (2025 update: Here we are.)
Contraindications: Poor self-discipline, study habits, time management. Low motivation to do hard things. Partying instead of studying.
SOCIAL SKILLS: You don’t have to be a people-person or an extrovert or captain of the football team, but you DO need to get along with others, be a team player with leadership abilities. Able to meet a variety of new people every day, work closely with them as your co-pilots, and with co-workers, bosses, subordinates, and customers. The number of pilots who are women, Black, Asian, Latino, immigrants, and openly LGBTQ+ are small but growing — get comfortable with that. Must be able to work with people you may disagree with or dislike. With different political or religious beliefs than your own. While maintaining a professional demeanor and a focus on the safety mission. Need to have or be able to learn and put into practice basic conflict resolution skills.
Contraindications: Incorrigible people-pleaser. Hard and fast beliefs about people different than yourself, bigotry. “Doesn’t play well with others.”
SAFETY AWARENESS / RISK MANAGEMENT: You need to care about safety. Be able to learn and follow the rules and procedures that are there for safety. Develop an ability to assess safety and reduce risk. Have high standards and good boundaries for yourself.
Contraindications: Low impulse control. Devil-may-care attitude. Many moving violations as a driver, especially DUIs. Being a lone wolf or maverick. Bucking authority: “You aren’t the boss of me!”
PHYSICAL / SPATIAL APTITUDE: Being a good automobile driver, having a good sense of direction, being able to read maps, having good spatial awareness, and having good eye-hand-foot coordination are all very helpful. The eye-hand coordination and motor skills of any athletic sport can help — especially a team sport like soccer. Being adept at video games and home flight simulators can help. Not to worry — most “regular folks” can develop these abilities during flight training.
Contraindications: Profound physical clumsiness. Topographagnosia (topographical disorientation).
MECHANICAL APTITUDE: Ability to grasp how different mechanical systems work and to read simplified system schematic diagrams. But you’ll be flying an aircraft, not building it.
HEALTH: Airline pilots need to meet certain physical criteria and standards and get regular physical exams. The FAA provides a lot of information online.
Contraindications: A few medical conditions are outright disqualifying, but not many. Use of illicit drugs, or use of marijuana and THC products which may be legal where you live, are not and never will be legal for pilots to use.
PERSONALITY / CHARACTER: An attitude of curiosity, eagerness to learn, striving for excellence. A tendency towards optimism and positivity — “I can do this”. Ability to discipline yourself to tackle hard things. To motivate yourself to reach a goal and also to keep going despite setbacks. Ability to handle pressure and stress. Keep calm and act deliberately in an emergency. Can receive feedback, correction, and critiques in a mature manner — and pivot to focus on improvement. Can persevere through disappointment and failure.
Possible contraindications: Easily frustrated or discouraged. Shuts down in the face of criticism, hardship, crisis, or chaos. Won’t take responsibility for performance, is not accountable for mistakes. Low self-confidence. Thin-skinned. Rigid thinking.
LIFE GOALS: Setting out to become a professional pilot is a big undertaking, and it requires time, money, effort, and determination. Being an airline pilot is NOT an easy job, even at the best airline. So, examine WHY you want to be an airline pilot. If the only reasons are, your daddy did it so now you will too, or you want the status and the bucks… you may end up unhappy in this career. If you want to be an airline pilot because you love flying, airplanes, aviation, travel, seeing the world, and/or the challenge and satisfaction of handling a large complex machine speeding through the atmosphere at almost the speed of sound… you will have a much more satisfying airline pilot career.
Possible contraindications: A strong desire or need for regularity and stability and a traditional family lifestyle.
I hope this helps. Good luck!
Feisty-Performance60@reddit
Beautiful answer right there.
Status-Pool-2257@reddit
Poor. If you have money you'll find a flight school and examiner who let you pass, doesn't matter how incompetent/ asshole you are. If you have more money, you can finish the training earlier. I had and have colleagues who should not ride a bicycle or should not let walk freely on the streets and they fly global 6000s. On paper its a super safe industry and well regulated but in real life I have wtf moments too often. So just have money, with time you gonna sit on the left
florestiner12312@reddit
A person with no money.
Curious-Owl6098@reddit
Impulsive people who don’t follow the rules and think they are invincible and nothing can happen to them. Unfortunately it can happen even to the best of us. Whether it’s someone like me as a low time 150 hr pilot vs a 20000 hour captain.
As far as smarts or abilities I believe if you truly love flying, are never willing to give up, and if you really really want it you can do this job and make it work. I think the biggest barrier to entry and why so few people do this is because of money, time and effort it takes. Most people live paycheck to paycheck in the US. A lot of people are also dont have the interest to put in the ground work required.
Z123z567@reddit
Almost anyone can become a pilot. One interesting aspect that emerges during training is taking full responsibility. As the student moves towards solo flight, where they will be the only person in the airplane, it becomes clear in many cases, that this will be the first time this person has ever taken full responsibility for their wellbeing, their life, their ability to breath air on planet earth. For some, this provides a very tangible obstacle; it is no longer relevant if mom loved your sister more, if your father was aloof, or more to the point, if your instructor is a dork, the airplane a piece of junk, and there is some jerk in a piper cub cutting in front of you in the pattern. All that matters is that you get the airplane safely on the ground, and there is only one person you can rely on to do it; you. The transition to total self reliance is sometimes fascinating to watch unfold. This is one aspect of the magic of learning to fly; you grow into a different version of yourself. I recommend it to anyone with interest. It may turn into a rewarding career, or may remain a rare and valuable skill set that can benefit you in other ways.
FeatherMeLightly@reddit
The reality is if you have a medical and money, you also can be a pilot.
BlacklightsNBass@reddit
Anyone who lacks decision making abilities. Type B personalities don’t belong in a cockpit.
60madness@reddit
Eeeeesh. Some of the best pilots i have ever flown with you would probably consider type B.
Thoughtful, reserved, open to input and feedback, can keep a safe cockpit when a "Type A" person has to make the (wrong) decision.
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GrandMasBushidoBrown@reddit
How much do you love your wife?
yeeee_hawwww@reddit
More like how much your wife loves and willing to sacrifice.
IncreaseOk8433@reddit
She'll make friends. Close ones....
tical007@reddit
"He's like my brother".................
Carlito_2112@reddit
FTFY
Clunk500CM@reddit
"Jody? Oh, he's just a friend..."
scottwo@reddit
Wait, you guys have wives?
tomdarch@reddit
Some folks here have had several.
ReserveBidder@reddit
Just enough to be able to live without her.
CorporalCrash@reddit
Anti-authority, invincibilite, macho, impulsive, resignation. The big 5 hazardous attitudes.
Possessing some of these attitudes probably won't prevent you from becoming a pilot but it's important to recognize if you have any of them so you can keep them in check and not let them creep into your flying. These attitudes can make you less desirable to hire, and have gotten people killed time and time again.
FlyingShadow1@reddit
In most cases, a blind person.
Specific_Royal2308@reddit
Look up the five hazardous attitudes
DatBeigeBoy@reddit
Really the only answer, and you’ll run into those attitude all the time in the industry.
hawker1172@reddit
Most every captain over age 55 embodies almost all of them
cjonesaf@reddit
Hmm. Stereotypes, ageism, axe to grind because you aren’t a captain, bitterness, and irrelevance to the post all rolled up in one response. Solid work 👊🏻
DatBeigeBoy@reddit
I mean.. I’ve flown with a couple CAs over 55 that have been chill. But I’ve also flown with some serious assholes. Some real serious racists, transphobes and highway or my way type of dudes. They’re usually over 55.
buckbreaker6969@reddit
I'm a racist transphobe and I'm under 30 though
DatBeigeBoy@reddit
Uhhhhhh
hawker1172@reddit
Yeah not saying it’s everyone but as a whole Ive found it to be statistically true on average.
hawker1172@reddit
Bruh.
Longwaytofall@reddit
He’s just mad he had to borrow against his 401k again to pay another alimony.
Special-Air-4706@reddit
Macho Invulnerability Resignation Anti-authority Impulsiveness
unnecessary_overhead@reddit
For people who want to be career pilots: Not being willing to make short- and medium-term sacrifices. "I've always wanted to be an airline pilot. I live in Podunk, Iowa and I need to sleep in my own bed every night, non-negotiable." "I currently make $150k working as a, I absolutely can not take a pay cut, how do I get into flying for a living?"
FyrPilot86@reddit
The person who’s sitting next to you in the plane and says “Here; hold my beer” while grabbing the flight controls
MammothAd7334@reddit
Average IQ with relentless persistence, passion and drive to fly.
minfremi@reddit
Drug addict who thinks it’s fine to hold off doing drugs until that drug test.
Mong419@reddit
People with adverse reactions to stress and pressure. If you lock up, panic, break down, etc under pressure: you're not the right person to be a pilot.
A good instructor can fix or mitigate most other shortcomings, but if you can't handle the stress of training and checkrides, you can't handle actual inflight emergencies. You'll get yourself or others killed.
dafogle@reddit
I think those who generally do not care about the well being and success of others will, at some point, wash out.
If you think about it, all the TMAAT stuff is really just about dealing with other people…
“What would you do if the captain showed up drunk?” aka “are you a rat bitch?”
Idk, just my opinion.
Mile_High_Flyer@reddit
A bad one
butthole_lipliner@reddit
Someone who thinks a lack of self-control or discipline in another area of life seemingly unrelated to being a pilot won’t have any effect on their ability to be a pilot
(case in point: that SWA dude who was just booted out of the cockpit and booked on DUI charges)
NuttPunch@reddit
Convicted drug traffickers
InvestigatorShort824@reddit
To get through initial training you need to be able to overcome fear of flying/heights/spins/ etc., susceptibility to motion sickness, fear of talking on the radio, etc. Your ability to physically fly the plane - to sense what it is doing and apply the appropriate control inputs - is a question of motor coordination and finesse. Most people are able to learn it. I’ve seen just a couple of adults really struggle here, and the common thread seemed to be zero experience in their life with action sports or operating any kind of vehicle or moving toy. The same folks who would really struggle with parallel parking a car or riding a bicycle or skateboard.
that said, I believe almost anyone with the intellect to complete High School, and who can get a medical, can learn to fly if they want it badly enough, and have sufficient funds.
Ornery-Ad-2248@reddit
It’s more if a question are you autistic if no you can’t be a pilot
All pilots got knicked by the ‘tism
DoubleCreamSupreme@reddit
A naked one
Pilyoz@reddit
Cargo wouldn't care
Embarrassed-Flan5206@reddit
Was a ramper for UPS once and some pilots would take their ties off and unbutton part of their shirt where their chest hair would show. Those guys have it all!
Anti_CSR@reddit
Anyone who cannot handle the grind. Getting certs is a grind, building hours afterwards is a grind, and then finally landing an actual professional pilot spot is a grind. After that? Grind to a major/legacy.
Unlucky-You-6260@reddit
I would say anyone with the 5 hazardous attitudes but I know a guy that match that profile and already have 3 phone numbers (landing wrong runway twice and going inside dfw bravo without clearance) and somehow got a job way before all of the class so Idk