If I don't think I need AWD, should I just get it anyway?
Posted by Greetingsmon@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 205 comments
The Honda CRV offers AWD or FWD, I live in AZ and I don't do any roading. There might be the occasional unpaved road I drive on, but everywhere I would normally expect to go with the vehicle would be on a paved road in warm (hot...ugh) weather
It doesn't snow here and doesn't rain much
Is there a reason I should consider AWD? It's only an extra 1500 bucks on a 40k vehicle so not a huge difference, it doesn't seem like I have a need for it but wondering if maybe it makes sense to just have it anyway? Are there any drawbacks to going AWD besides price, I know FWD has better fuel economy and it looks like the FWD vehicle actually sits a bit lower (Honda says 0.3"), maybe that won't make a difference in handling but I noticed it when both vehicles were parked next to each other
Papercoffeetable@reddit
No, i get AWD because i live in Sweden and also live in a hilly area and pull trailers, i’ve tried with just two wheel drive but it’s dangerous, sometimes impossible, and unpredictable at times during winter.
moron88@reddit
do you plan on selling in the next 5 years? if so, do it. southwestern used cars sell for a premium in the rustbelt, and AWD will increase the resale value drastically. especially on a crv.
Greetingsmon@reddit (OP)
Oh, that's a good point I had not considered
jrileyy229@reddit
While not untrue, the actualized cost will be closer to 3k for AWD. 1500, and assuming financing, you're paying tax and a couple years of interest on that 1500, and factor in the cost of fuel difference between the two over say 5 years and 50k miles... What it actually cost you to have AWD is ~3k. You won't get that back on the other end.
jondes99@reddit
Don’t forget the extra cost of fuel, even if it’s only a 1 MPG difference it’s going to add up over time. And the potential cost of replacing 4 tires when only 1-2 are needed because of the AWD.
-HELLAFELLA-@reddit
Pretty certain they aren't FULL TIME AWD. So fuel mileage shouldn't be a concern..
jondes99@reddit
It’s worth 1 MPG city / 2 highway according to the EPA. So there must be some drag in addition to the weight penalty.
-HELLAFELLA-@reddit
AWD in cars like this is usually a button that can turn it on or off.
You will get less MPG when it's engaged, but when it's not and only running FWD you should still get FWD mileage
FormalBeachware@reddit
There's still added weight and some parasitic drag, even if it's disengaged.
On top of fuel costs, it's also extra complexity for maintenance and more things that can fail.
jrileyy229@reddit
Uh.... I included the cost of fuel difference...
The tires I wouldn't count. If you get a flat, most people are going to find a used one to put on to match the wear of the other 3... Not immediately go buy 4 new tires
jondes99@reddit
Yes you did.
If you have an AWD car and have any sort of problem, every tire shop in the world wants to sell you 4 new ones if it can’t be repaired. And you’d be surprised how few things can be repaired when a $1,000 sale can be pushed as the only option.
jrileyy229@reddit
If you just accept that 4 new tires is the only option, then you're a mark.
rrhunt28@reddit
Around me I had two garages tell me they would not sell me one or two tires on an all wheel drive car. I left and went somewhere else. The first shop was a Firestone and they couldn't even figure out which tire was bad. I told them which tire had a leak and they told me it was the other side. Then while we are under the car and they are showing me what they found they asked me if it was all wheel drive. Which any basic mechanic should know if you are under the car.
jrileyy229@reddit
I'd believe that from a national chain... And Firestone is the worst in my experience.
All the more reason to go to Bob's tire instead of Costco or Firestone. Every chain has their own nonsense corporate policies.
jondes99@reddit
And I don’t, but I’m sure I’m in the minority there. If someone doesn’t know why they do or don’t need AWD, I think it’s safe to say they’ll fall for this trap.
Phacerace@reddit
I always carry a tire plug kit. I would plug the nail/ screw hole that likely caused the issue and drive on. Why replace any tires? Sidewall and some flats are not repairable this way, of course.
bestselfnice@reddit
It's also more expensive to buy, more expensive to maintain, more things that can go wrong and cost money to fix, more expensive to tow, will get worse fuel economy... I'd buy the car that suits your needs, not what you think someone else might want to buy when you're done with it.
Front_Ad_9728@reddit
And if you plan to sell it by yourself, fwd will take longer so sell.
withpatience@reddit
Most people don't even need AWD in snowy climates.
Skip the AWD, especially in Arizona.
MFAD94@reddit
I live in Michigan and have always driven font Or rear wheel drive vehicles, driver mod and good tires go a long way.
Hopfit46@reddit
Canada guy here, fwd and good tires and ill drive in anything.
kashinoRoyale@reddit
Are you crazy? If I have the option for awd I'll take it any day, there is no such thing as too safe when there are very few if any negatives. Awd is great, especially modern awd systems, as they are electronically controlled for each wheel, optimize performance and fuel economy, and traction in corners, the only real complaints I've ever heard from old awd systems was decrease in fuel economy due to weight and extra driveline drag. Some modern awd and TC systems even have rollover prevention built into them which can save you and your car, it only takes one bad situation for these systems to pay for themselves, and I'm sure everyone has at some point zoned out while cruising down a long road only to realize a sharp corner is coming up and have to attempt to slow down in the corner after entering it far too fast.
Hopfit46@reddit
Overkill. Arizona heat of hot rubber and asphalt is a lot of traction. Its a honda.
RetiredBSN@reddit
Just a reminder that Flagstaff and that area get snow, and sometimes a lot of it. In the valley, you’re probably okay with FWD, but if you hit the high country it might be worth going with AWD.
kashinoRoyale@reddit
What part of Canada do you live in and how much do you travel, I'm in BC and often take the Coquihalla, in winter your just plain wrong, hot rubber isn't going to do anything when the asphalt is covered in ice, any extra traction I can get is worth it. We may have been lucky for the last few years to have mild winters but that absoloutly doesn't mean there won't be bad ones in the future, I'm very much a proponent of preparing for any eventuality I reasonably can.
Hopfit46@reddit
I drive the 401 corridor east in ontario. A lot more icy conditions that a meter dump of snow like you guys get. The op is from Arizona, thats the hot asphalt i was talking about, so settle down.
kashinoRoyale@reddit
My point was more if he ever drives outside of Arizona awd is going to be really nice especially for a driver unfamiliar with poor road conditions. To your other point sure I "could" drive the highways with fwd, but i sure don't enjoy white knuckleing a 5 hour drive because fwd is "good enough" when there are better options that could make the drive less stressful.
Hopfit46@reddit
I never downvote guys who are just talking and i didnt edit my comment, i dont care that much.
kashinoRoyale@reddit
My bad, I could have sworn when I read it Arizona wasn't specifically mentioned, but wasnt fully awake yet, just having my morning coffee. I've seen too many people do stuff like that on here before I guess.
Hopfit46@reddit
Thats why i like this sub, guys are chill.
kashinoRoyale@reddit
Seems like there's less and less chill subs these days, ever since reddit went public, and the mass exodus of the long time users. A lot of stuff I've been seeing lately in subs that used to be awesome are starting to feel like 2014 Facebook level rage bait. It's almost like the algorithm is pushing controversial stuff to the top of my feed while niche interest sub posts and memes almost never make it into what I see daily, this is why I left Facebook over a decade ago, it became a place that always made me angry or depressed.
Icy-Role2321@reddit
Plus I thought on AWD if one tire goes bad they all go bad? Can't just replace one.
Additional_Tea_5296@reddit
They should be close in size, as in not worn down on three and you throw a brand new on one wheel. You even are supposed to run a bit more air in the front tires, because of the engine weight over the front. Some tire shops will shave a new tire to match the ones on your AWD, if you damage just one.
damarius@reddit
Yes, I just read this on Reddit last.week. If you have to replace one you have to replace all, or have them shaved to be all the same diameter. If you don't, it causes wear to the differentials. Also, apparently AWD is bad for fuel mileage.
Icy-Role2321@reddit
I have too bad of luck for AWD. I hit 4 nails within one year lol.
damarius@reddit
Thanks, I'm considering a new car in the spring and hadn't heard of these drawbacks to AWD.
Icy-Role2321@reddit
I was gonna get one and my mechanic dad informed me of this. Also the worse gas mileage
Even If you live in a snowy state all you need are winter tires
Hopfit46@reddit
Only had an all wheel drive for a couple of years and never had tire issues, but yes.
turducken404@reddit
More to fix, more to maintain, more weight, worse gas mileage, equal tire diameter, etc…
dyl_pykle08@reddit
We just different types of people
TheReal-Chris@reddit
Yeah, the right tires are the most important. I know so many people who have awd Subarus etc (I have an sti) who don’t understand why they struggle with snow. Awd drive moves your car. Stopping is just like any other car.
GigaChav@reddit
Not so fast there. The left tires are at least equally as important!
Swamp_Donkey_7@reddit
New England guy here.
Drove FWD and RWD with good tires and did fine....however drive AWD with good tires and it's the most stress-free driving i've ever done.
However for AZ, i'd stick to FWD
burrwednesday@reddit
Oooh, how do we mod the drivers? Most of them around here suck, are there replacement parts we can order to make them better?
MFAD94@reddit
Honestly I think bad drivers are born and taught. I’m a California native and I’m a better driver than a vast majorly of the people who’ve lived here their whole lives. Michigan drivers can’t keep it together when it’s 75 and sunny let alone when we get an inch of snow or rain
seewhyme@reddit
This. My dad went to college in Buffalo NY in the 80's and he told me all his local neighbors drove RWD american sedans with regular all season tires and everyone survived all right
cranberry-fish@reddit
Awd in snowy climates is very helpful for when you park in deep snow. My girlfriends with fwd and snow tires has a much harder time getting out of deep snow than my CRV with awd and snow tires
withpatience@reddit
Fair point, but was she still able to get out?
cranberry-fish@reddit
there was actually once where no she wasnt, not without me digging with my bare hands. and we both have michelin x-ice snow
Greetingsmon@reddit (OP)
Yeah I've never had a vehicle with AWD so I'm sure I'd be fine without it, I was thinking it might be nice "just in case" it's ever needed the feature but honestly I don't know when that would even be. Others are mentioning resale though which I had not considered
kyuubixchidori@reddit
Awd is cool until you have a single nail in the wrong spot means you need a full set of tires.
cars are complicated enough, if you don’t need it enjoy the simplicity of FWD and save the extra cost on tires, wear items and servicing of the rear driveline.
DirtbagSocialist@reddit
You can replace a single tire on an AWD car. Unless your tires are so worn out that they should be replaced anyway the minor difference in tread depth isn't gonna overwhelm your differential.
Greetingsmon@reddit (OP)
I was curious about that, I couldn't find specs from Honda that says "change your tire if they differ more than 2/32" only that it says if you change one tire replace them all so I know it's needed just not sure what the threshold is
kyuubixchidori@reddit
Yeah if they are within a 1/16th of an inch. so if you puncture a 5,000 mile tire sure.
AnotherIronicPenguin@reddit
Not even remotely true.
shrout1@reddit
You generally get better fuel economy with FWD too. Unless OP lives in sand dunes or an area with limited road access I don’t see AWD doing much
SpaceAgePotatoCakes@reddit
Most modern ones are disconnected most of the time, but you're still hauling weight and paying for maintenance for nothing.
shrout1@reddit
Yeah looks like fuel economy is really close between the FWD and AWD 2023 RAV4. But like you said, extra complexity for something I don’t personally need.
kashinoRoyale@reddit
There are benefits to awd aside from traction in poor conditions, the traction and yaw control in awd is far superior to that of fwd or red vehicles, traction in corners is better as the Tc will increase traction by putting power into the the correct wheels not just front to back but left to right as well on modern systems. If you also drive standard awd will offer more "engine braking" power when gearing down over 2wd.
recitegod@reddit
I once drove a wrx and A4 back to back, never went back. I am nobody noob driver, anything above 300hp rear wheel drive is simply not enjoyable. in an awd with ultra wide fire and infinite ev torque, it means you can place the car rc style. You hide the weight in sustained increases grip by using wider tires meant for racing. You loose plenty of range doing that, 90% is now 240 miles in cold weather. is it that bad? both wrx , and all evs awd could do it. Just knowing that with good tires and appropriate speed distance you will be able to save knock on wood anything. I take awd anyday.
DudeWithTudeNotRude@reddit
True. I drove a FWD Accord stick-shift with decent all terrain tires, and it was fine for years in the Colorado Rockies.
I was inexperienced with snow and steep roads when I moved there. At most I changed the tires a bit early, and just drove carefully.
I lived in the flats, but skied as much as I could.
I recall one morning on the way to the slopes, approaching the tunnel near Breck, the interstate was stop and go. We were on an uphill. It was snowy and icy. The lady in front of me was in a giant 4x4 truck (probably not hers), and even though we were all stopped, she started backsliding for no apparent reason.
I always leave a lot of space, and luckily the right lane had just opened up. So I just slowly moved right and went on my way. I never did see if she gained control or slowly crashed into the car behind me. I was way too focused on what was ahead.
FWD should be fine in AZ
Glad_Firefighter_471@reddit
Followed this logic buying a rwd BMW and then regretted it when I moved to Colorado a couple years later
DirtbagSocialist@reddit
You don't need it until you do.
cowabungathunda@reddit
Exactly, I don't need AWD or 4x4 but you know what I haven't had to do since I got it? Push my vehicle out of a snow drift. These people are all weird and they don't want to admit it. Just get snow tires and a small trailer and then you won't need a bigger vehicle. Sounds like a pain in the ass to me.
antonmnster@reddit
I've driven RWD BMWs in Minnesota for over 30 years and have never had an issue. Why? Snow tires. And I have way more fun.
BudFox_LA@reddit
I’ve driven rwd BMWs with all seasons in snow and with snow tires. Little dicey with A/S, fine with snow tires. But yeah if I lived in CO and not southern CA, i’d go xDrive
reidlos1624@reddit
Snow tires? I live in one of the snowiest metros in the country and never had major issues with RWD but I get good snow tires.
We're a good bit flatter than CO granted.
JoeyJNeris@reddit
I've definitely seen abandoned RWD cars in the mountain roads, probably due to over confident drivers/hikers. "My FRS will do fiiiiiine". It did not.
Different-Housing544@reddit
This is the most tired argument ever.
Of course we don't need it. We can technically get to work in a 2WD economy vehicle.
But it's a much better and confident drive in an AWD vehicle. Hands down it's not even comparable.
People who say otherwise have either never driven an AWD in icy conditions or are lying.
Old_Sign3705@reddit
A 2WD vehicle with winter tires is secure on slippery winter roads. An AWD vehicle with all seasons is mediocre on the same roads. There are tests that show as much, which you can easily find with a Google search.
Different-Housing544@reddit
I don't need a google search. I drive in ice and snow 6 months of the year. It's -17C this weekend with snow flurries.
In the past 20 years in the snow I have driven:
- 1991 Nissan Hardbody RWD
- 2010 Corolla FWD
- 2011 Scion TC FWD
- 2006 Honda Ridgeline AWD
- 1995 Ford Ranger 4X4
- 2016 Subaru Crosstrek AWD
- Volvo XC-40 AWD
AWD vehicles without a doubt are substantially better performing in ice and snow.
Old_Sign3705@reddit
I have driven more years in the snow than you, and my list of vehicles is longer and more varied. But it makes absolutely no difference. Nor does it matter how you feel. Winter tires are better than AWD if you can only have one. It's tested and it's true. There are very specific and obvious scenarios where AWD is better, but most of time AWD is the worse choice.
Different-Housing544@reddit
You're being obtuse.
Of course it makes a difference. It makes a huge difference.
This is one of those times where I just wonder if you're someone being contrarian for the sake of the argument.
I'm done man.
Old_Sign3705@reddit
This is a topic that always drives me crazy and I don't even know why. I'm going to try to take the cue from you and not respond in these threads anymore. Peace.
ApePositive@reddit
It’s not worth explaining the results of the tests that have been conducted on this. The people you are arguing with cannot even be bothered to look for themselves.
ApePositive@reddit
Disagree.
sohcgt96@reddit
Yeah but in OP's context, we're talking about a part of Arizona where it'll literally never snow.
DirtbagSocialist@reddit
Unless they decide to go on a hike and wanna drive through the sand to get to the trailhead.
Numerous_Teacher_392@reddit
There are ski slopes in Arizona. It depends on where you drive, exactly.
Different-Housing544@reddit
"Most people don't even need AWD in snowy climates."
That's what I am replying to. Having AWD in Arizona is absolutely not needed.
However, we get snow for 6 months of the year here. I can tell you that comment is stupid. It's like saying you don't need AC in Arizona. Technically you can still get around without AC but god damn it makes it a better experience right?
RKEPhoto@reddit
Huh?
Different-Housing544@reddit
Reading comprehension bro.
Numerous_Teacher_392@reddit
That and with symmetrical AWD and the latest 3PMS tires, you can drive in any conditions. Not only do you not get stuck, but the whole driving experience is much lower stress.
Around the West there are many places where you might drive in snow and warm dry pavement on the same day. That's why you see so many Subarus in those places.
isaidjoemantegna@reddit
Idk I have a focus ST and would really love an RS. For multiple reasons… but the awd would be great. We’ve had some insane snow lately and I’ve done okay with brand new snow tires and not being an idiot, but toting around my 4yo daughter I’d be a lot more confident with the awd. Also the 100+ hp and torque would be great for personal reasons 😂
withpatience@reddit
AWD doesn't help you turn or stop, it just helps you accelerate and whip shitties.
They say the difference between FWD and AWD in the winter is how deep you get stuck in the snowbank.
But I can understand wanting the AWD for better traction out of the hole.
TheReal-Chris@reddit
It definitely changes the dynamics of turning but yes a lot of people think awd will help you stop better. No it’s still 4 wheel stop just like every car.
Glarmj@reddit
AWD absolutely does help you turn. What do you think torque vectoring is for?
withpatience@reddit
Isn't torque vectoring something that happens on the front axle?
Glarmj@reddit
Torque vectoring can happen on both axles. An awd vehicle absolutely corners better in the snow than a fwd one does.
TheGT1030MasterRace@reddit
Acura SH-AWD, the Evo system, and the RS system helps handling.
withpatience@reddit
OPs car is not any of those.
SyrupLover25@reddit
AWD most certainly does help you turn on a vehicle, especially a setup like a Focus RS. Having power go to all 4 wheels (or however many wheels the diffs decide need power) reduces or eliminates understeer when set up properly.
I'm of course in the camp that you don't need AWD even for heavy snow if you just have good tires and know how to drive well, but theres absolutely no denying that a vehicle will turn better when the front wheels aren't solely responsible for both the steering and the power delivery. Offloading some of the power delivery to the rear wheels makes a massive difference in the dynamics of how a vehicle takes corners. If you've ever driven a long sedan with FWD in the snow without the fancy braking assists they have now, you'll know what Im talking about, they will plow into turns and want to continue straight.
This of course isn't true for all AWD systems, many of the earlier FWD based awd systems (and even some of the modern ones) aren't really set up to deliver power during corners and are more for just giving a little help to the front wheels when starting from a stop or when in very low traction. These vehicles behave a lot more like fwd vehicles in the corners.
isaidjoemantegna@reddit
I live in a very rural area and drive on very hilly back country roads that get basically no attention when it snows and I feel like awd would be wonderful for the curvy hills with steep drop offs on either side haha. My car honestly has surprised the hell out of me though, this is my first winter with it. It being a 6 speed I think really helps because I can downshift on hills and work the clutch when taking off. I was sliding like crazy before I put the snow tires on, but the tires that were on it when I bought it were just some worn generic A/S tires. It’s incredible what actual winter tires will do.
Training_Try_9433@reddit
Had an RS, if you do get one don’t modify it, mine run 500bhp spent more time in the garage than on the road, the final draw was when the diff seased and blew a hole through the front of the box
isaidjoemantegna@reddit
Yeah I definitely wouldn’t be trying to do anything crazy to it, I just have bolt on’s on my ST right now and don’t plan on doing too much more. I prefer fun and reliable more than really fun and scared somethings gonna break constantly haha
Training_Try_9433@reddit
I had a fully forged engine that cost 6k the stage 3 turbo was another 2k when the engine was being broken in one of the hoses spit and cooked the head beyond repair that was another 2k it also had high lift cams, don’t get me wrong it was a lot of fun but in the end I was 28k deep in mods, that’s why I gave up after the lsd ceased, the dealer wanted 5k for a new box but I managed to find a second hand one for 1.5k, the st boxes don’t have lsd and the rs ones are shockingly expensive
isaidjoemantegna@reddit
Yeah I’ve seen people install lsd’s on their ST’s but I’m just not that serious about it haha. I have a new oem turbo I’m gonna install once I hit 150k just because I got it for $100 off some guy on marketplace. Other than that I just have an aftermarket fmic, bov, catless exhaust, cai, then some cosmetic stuff. I would love to go big turbo but wouldn’t even trust it with the amount of miles I have on it. I DO plan on finding a low mile block out of an escape or something eventually once my miles get crazy high and I might do it then, I of course would love it to be faster but it’s quick enough-ish for me right now and I’ve got other shit I need to save my money for.
DirtbagSocialist@reddit
You don't need it until you do.
MrNimbus33@reddit
I like AWD on dry roads for cornering. I will never go back to any form of 2 wheel drive
InternetExploder87@reddit
On a crv skip it in AZ. If it were something with a lot more power I'd say get it cuz it helps with traction when you launch (like the new BMW m series cars)
Strange_Space_7458@reddit
I have an AWD CRV. It can go literally anywhere. Even if you don't think you need it, when you go to concerts, the fair, etc. and they are parking people in the grass and it's starting to rain, you aren't worrying.
Otiskuhn11@reddit
And by “literally” you mean “figuratively”?
Strange_Space_7458@reddit
No son. I mean literally anywhere that any car can go. Use common sense.
Afraid-Condition-981@reddit
Son, you don’t understand words. You said “literally anywhere”. You did not say “where a car can go” in your original comment.
You do not know what the word literally means. You said “literally anywhere”.
i_was_a_highwaymann@reddit
So figuratively. I could see a Hummer go literally anywhere, I can not see a Honda
Otiskuhn11@reddit
I literally did.
bullbeard@reddit
So I also live in AZ and only have one car with 4wd but it’s my off-road camping vehicle. I will say that awd and 4wd vehicles definitely have higher resale value here but YMMV. A CRV is kind of a toss up because when you go to get rid of it, it’ll be a sticking point for a fair number of people whether it has it or not.
Greetingsmon@reddit (OP)
Thanks and good points, I had heard AWD can create headaches around tire matching, am I overthinking that drawback and have you had to deal with any issues like that where you needed to replace all four tires if 3 still had alot of life left
bullbeard@reddit
So I’ve owned awd vehicles pretty much my whole life and the majority of the time I was on the verge of needing new tires anyway. If they’re within a certain wear point you would be fine and there’s some places that will shave the tire for you if needed. All that being said, I have never replaced just one tire on a vehicle ever it’s always either been two or four.
teslaactual@reddit
Unless you plan on doing a lot of offload driving then no you really don't need AWD in Phoenix, I had a RWD isuzu amigo and never had any issues when I lived there
Dark-matterz@reddit
AWD eats tires and gas. Skip it.
hughmungouschungus@reddit
Drove a rear wheel drive car with all seasons for over a decade in Chicago winters and was fine. You don't need AWD
EntrySure1350@reddit
Probably not necessary in AZ.
AWD introduces additional complication to the drivetrain (more potential points of failure) and increased maintenance costs. (Fluid exchanges for the rear differential and transfer case)
Most new vehicles 20-30 years ago were either FWD or RWD only. Those that were 4x4 were typically on demand. AWD wasn’t that common. People still managed to drive on wet/messy roads.
Zealousideal-War4110@reddit
Skip it. Higher fuel and maintenance costs
Additional_Tea_5296@reddit
I needed AWD last week, or I wouldn't have got out of my driveway. Usually the front wheel drive car goes through it no problem. But with over ten inches and ice on top it was stuck. Our new AWD was impressive, when it spun I gassed it and it dug in and went! Didn't need AWD until then and it got me out of my 100 yard drive, while my neighbors were begging for someone to plow their driveways.
op3l@reddit
No. In your case no reason at all to get AWD and the accompany issues AWD has.
Fwd will be fine.
OutrageousTime4868@reddit
It's extra maintenance (differential fluid change) and if you get a flat you'll have to replace all 4 tires (having tires of different diameter even by millimeters prematurely wears out the center diff) , and worse fuel economy.
dyl_pykle08@reddit
Awd had a lot of extra parts you'll need to fix. Plus generally worse gas mileage. Unless you have some gnarly paved hills, you don't need awd
The_Game_Genie@reddit
The MPG and wheel wear on AWD will be a little worse.
ReebX1@reddit
I used to drive a FWD Chevy Cavalier down farm roads that would give some Cybertrucks nightmares. It's not what the car can do, it's all about the driver. You gotta be a little bit smarter than the path you are driving down, and most things will get you there.
Glathull@reddit
It’s quite nice to have some extra security even if you don’t deal with snow. Driving in very heavy rain is more secure with AWD. For a matter of $1,400 on a 40k car I would think of that as a no brainer.
Greetingsmon@reddit (OP)
That's a good point, I guess I was overthinking the downsides of AWD, in particular the tire size matching but maybe that's not really as big of a disadvantage as I think it is
gulliverian@reddit
It's another thing to break. If you don't need it, don't get it. Cars are complicated enough as it is.
Leucippus1@reddit
Simply for resale, you should get the AWD version.
Also, since people say things like "snow tires are just as good," no the f!ck they are not. Having lived where it snows for 40+ years, get all the aides. Snow tires, AWD, weights over your axles, chains, those cool things you shove under your tires with grips on both sides, whatever.
Master-File-9866@reddit
I was quiet content to live with out all wheel drive until I bought a vehicle with all wheel drive. Will not go back
p0ppab0n3r@reddit
my take is, if you can afford it without ANY financial strain, get the AWD. I used to live in AZ, had a FWD car, life took me to Chicago then Milwaukee. My FWD car did fine in those climates, but I've since upgraded to an AWD car and will never go back. however, if you plan to stay in Arizona long-term and the extra $1,500 would cause any financial strain, I would skip it.
Gold-Leather8199@reddit
It's a lot of wear and tear on the suspension that you don't really need
neomateo@reddit
Don’t worry, Honda’s don’t have realtime AWD so it doesn’t really matter, which ever way you choose its still FWD.
Greetingsmon@reddit (OP)
I was watching reviewers do some testing with AWD, it looks like the use case its helpful would be when front tires spin the computer engages rear diff clutch to enguage rear wheels, so I guess I could see that coming in handy when you loose traction but I don't recall loosing traction in my day to day driving ever really so
neomateo@reddit
I mean if you want AWD get a system that’s actually AWD and not some branded fraud like these non-realtime systems.
Tccrdj@reddit
Sure doesn’t sound like you need it.
Pineydude@reddit
Skill and tires go a long way in inclement weather. Awd gives you more traction than fwd or rwd. If you find yourself driving in rain or snow awd may be better, you’re not used to it and it gives you more margin for error.(slightly). Someone else mentioned it doesn’t help you stop.
Savings_State6635@reddit
Definitely get the awd. Even if it’s just a crossover, I can’t imagine owning an suv or crossover that doesn’t at least have awd, let alone 4th, it’s kind of the whole point, or at least used to be the point of getting one over a station wagon. I don’t even think they should make SUVs with Fwd or red only.
Majsharan@reddit
Awd hurts fuel economy, costs more money and adds something else to break. I would pass. It does help resell value but I’m not sure how much it helps vs the cost
Smooth-Apartment-856@reddit
AWD has its advantages…but it has disadvantages as well.
Its more expensive. It’s more complex and has a lot more moving parts, meaning more opportunities for something to break. Reliability will not be as good, and maintenance will cost more. Transfer case is just one more major drivetrain component that’s “sealed for life” that you still have to service. If you replace just two tires at a time, you risk damaging the transfer case. The AWD system adds weight and parasitic drag, meaning it adversely impacts performance and fuel economy.
In short, it’s going to be more expensive, both in initial cost and over the life of the car.
If you don’t actually need any of the benefits AWD provides, why would you pay all that extra money?
ApePositive@reddit
Should be at the top of the
-HELLAFELLA-@reddit
It's a HonDUH
Rattlingplates@reddit
If you don’t drive in snow you don’t need AWD
ApePositive@reddit
Skip it
Chance_Ocelot1249@reddit
AWD is going to be increased maintenance cost for features you won't use. It also does nothing for resale value.
zeilstar@reddit
My 04 CRV has AWD and winter tires seasonally. It handles like a champ on slippery roads. With VSA off I slide a lot cornering in snow. I recently rolled over 200,000 miles.
Could be a nice feature for resale in the future. I specifically shopped for an AWD version.
AllUsernamesTaken82@reddit
Sounds like you don’t need AWD at all — just keep good tires on the vehicle, that always makes a difference for not just acceleration but also braking and turning (which behave the same on 2WD vs AWD.
That-Resort2078@reddit
AWD is safer in areas with real winter and a heavy rain season. However if you get an un repairable flat, you usually need to buy 4 new tires.
Greetingsmon@reddit (OP)
I didn't realize it had material benefit in the rain, I haven't driven a FWD vehicle in a long time but I guess I can see how a FWD vehicle might have limited traction going up a hill in the rain as the vehicles weight would be shifted to the rear
FingerPuzzleheaded81@reddit
Awd is almost never needed. What’s need are appropriate tires for the weather. Save the 1500 and if you move someplace snowy, get an extra set of snow tires
Scary-Ask-6236@reddit
Better safe than sorry. That’s a person in jersey telling you. I have lived in the south and the Midwest and I will always get awd or front for an everyday car. Rear would be for a joyride car or a second fun car. Just my opinion
BetterthanU4rl@reddit
Spend it and get the AWD. You can go exploring a little easier. Now your dynamic and breaking paradigms!
luv2kick@reddit
Research resale value between 2WD and AWD. It may be worth paying now.
Greetingsmon@reddit (OP)
Good suggestion I will do that
Quake_Guy@reddit
On pickups and stuff like 4 runners, the 4WD drive premium is mostly carried over to even when well used. At 150k miles, it it cost $3k extra new it will still be a $2k premium or more.
I would guess lighter duty vehicles like a CRV won't be as big and probably at least 50% of the original premium.
If you get stuck in the middle of nowhere you would gladly wish you paid that but again might never be an issue.
30 years ago hardly anyone had a 4WD pickup in Texas and now it seems most do despite a lot less opportunities to go offroad vs AZ.
guitars_and_trains@reddit
Keep in mind there will also be a small difference in fuel economy. Being Arizona, I think 2wd is fine. I've been driving rwd cars my whole life in Colorado. Nothing snow tires can't fix.
BudFox_LA@reddit
No, you don’t need it, despite what people on the internet tell you. It’s added weight, complexity and worse fuel economy. If you live north and experience snow and winters where traction is an issue then sure. Even then you’d be fine w snow tires. I grew up in far nothern CA where we had 2-3’ of snow winters and drove a FWD accord the whole time.
I drove a rwd 328i for 10 years in socal through some almost monsoon like conditions, heavy rains in areas that are NOT set up to handle rain so literal small ponds in the middle of the interstate and I never had a problem. On rails. Just need good tires. Just bought a 2024 X3 with sDrive (rwd) because I prefer the drive and handling of rwd. Have taken it off road several times so far too w/no problems, including light snow onba recent visit back home.
Automakers have made a small fortune convincing drivers that they need awd when they simply do not. Hope this helps
Hersbird@reddit
Resale is higher than $1500 even 20 years later. It's also easier to sell privately quicker with awd. Cars are a nationwide commodity these days. Somebody from Michigan will go get or pay to have shipped a nice clean rust free car from Arizona but not if it doesn't have awd.
They aren't as bad as they used to be on mpg either, but that is a 2nd expensive to consider.
United_Fan_6476@reddit
Resale.
That is the only reason for it. Who is "off-roading" a cute ute, really? No one, unless you count driving off the road while texting.
But there is an entire swath, hordes of people, really, who erroneously think that AWD makes them safer driving on snow and ice. They are willing to pay extra for it, and the resale values in 2wd vs. 4 shows it.
pokemallard33@reddit
Yes. Higher resale
tnseltim@reddit
It helps with resale, supposedly. Some, say they’d “never buy a 2wd truck!” because of resale. I’m totally happy without 4wd and have never needed it, despite towing a somewhat large boat in and out of boat ramps.
Typical-Analysis203@reddit
Not all AWD systems can actually transfer enough torque to an individual tire to move the vehicle if only one tire has traction. Look up “AWD roller test” on YouTube. Honda is one of the companies that makes junky AWD systems. If you actually need AWD don’t buy a Honda. Go slap an AWD sticker on the FWD one and save the money.
PS I do like Hondas, first car was a Honda.
AngryMillenialGuy@reddit
I absolutely would go for the AWD
Holiday_Ad1403@reddit
I live in Vermont and I wouldn’t get an AWD. In my mind it’s just one more thing that could cause issues down the line. I try to keep my cars easy and inexpensive to fix, and economical to run. So I drive a civic 🤣
Accurate-Flamingo-16@reddit
Its more costly to maintain long term. So if you dont need it dont get it
DirtbagSocialist@reddit
Nobody needs AWD... until they need it.
If you think severely limiting the capabilities of your car to save a few bucks on gas is worth it then by all means go with FWD.
If you don't think you'll ever be in a situation where you have to drive through sand in Arizona then get FWD.
If you don't care about resale value get the FWD.
If you don't care about acceleration or handling in bad conditions get the FWD.
You may not utilize the capabilities of an AWD car all of the time but it is far more capable than a FWD car. And in my opinion it's worth the extra $1500.
Most AWD cars these days run in FWD mode until they need to send power to the rear anyways so the mileage you get isn't even that different.
Greetingsmon@reddit (OP)
Is tire tread depth marching a big concern for AWD vehicles? I read that a few fractions of an inch can cause problems but I don't know if thats a realistic concern since tire pressure differences could cause a similar problem. Basically wondering if through normal driving and tire wear is it possible for a tire on front or rear being a few /32 inches different, would it damage awd system
hopp-schwiiz-97@reddit
Unless you enjoy accelerating hard off the line and don’t want the front wheels to spin a little, AWD isn’t necessary in AZ. It adds weight, reduces gas mileage and adds extra maintenance.
RKEPhoto@reddit
And AWD Honda will not only cost you more in fuel, it'll also require a bit more maintenance, since Honda calls for periodic rear differential service. (Every 30k miles I think)
Numerous_Teacher_392@reddit
Symmetrical AWD is worth having for its own sake.
The CR-V AWD system, unless they really improved it, is only good for getting unstuck. It doesn't help the driving characteristics.
RabidAcorn@reddit
I have a heavily modified GTI with clapped snow tires and I made it through a snow storm fine last night. You'll be fine without AWD lol.
chaoshaze2@reddit
Where you live....I don't think it would worth it. I live in Iowa and on a gravel road that is not plowed till late in the day when it snows. I fine Awd is much easier to get off to work in. I could most days get away with fwd but Awd is so much easier and safer
outline8668@reddit
I live in Canada and do not have trouble with a fwd crossover so I can't imagine the AWD would r useful to you. However seeing the upcharge is so small and the resale value so greatly enhanced I would get it anyway.
MountainFace2774@reddit
No. If I didn't actually need AWD or 4WD, I'd drive my Civic all of the time.
911coldiesel@reddit
I would spend some$$ to get good quality tires and go with 2wd.
Glad_Firefighter_471@reddit
Better to have and not need than need and not have
mikkowus@reddit
get it so there are more on the road for me to buy used later on (as a northerner)
Downside is costs. The reason they have become so popular is because cheap AWD like that has become pretty competitive with FWD.
TrollCannon377@reddit
Get the FWD, better fuel economy and likely to be more reliable as well, and if you ever move somewhere where their is consistent snow a good set of winter tires is far more important than how many wheels get power
These_Cattle_4364@reddit
Midwest snow belt entire life. My wife FWD SUV, me 2WD truck. No problem getting around. How did the generation before survive without 4WD. I don't remember anyone having one when growing up.
landrover97centre@reddit
I live in Washington and I’ve had 4x4’s and AWD’s my whole life, I used to drive my dad WRX to and from school when my Land Rover was out for maintenance, and my dad and I have bought and sold many outback’s, but I’ve also drove around in a few RWD vehicles as well and all of the 4x4’s just seem more planted even on dryer surfaces, and then I moved to Italy because the military told me to and I was in the market for a classic FWD Lancia and well my rental at the time was FWD and we had a very very bad rain storm here and I was scared shitless in that little thing every puddle was scary, maybe it’s the tires maybe it’s the car, regardless I decided I was getting another Land Rover because they are literal tanks and they are full time 4x4 and I have not regretted my decision since, even if you don’t think you need it, you should get it anyway, simply just for the fact that they feel more grounded than 2wd vehicles, I have my reasons for 4x4, you just need to determine what’s right for you
YouAssYouKilledUS@reddit
No need for it. Don't get it.
Sicon614@reddit
Towing an AWD vehicle is limited to a rollback without dropping a driveshaft. Lots of fun videos of snatch 'n grabs (wheel lift tow truck) trying to repo AWDs.
Dedward5@reddit
One thing, if you put a 2WD on a soft surface, like at the side of a road, just 1 wheel on that and the open diff will mean you spin that wheel and go nowhere. Maybe modern traction control can overcome that, but AWD helps.
I say this having seen cars in the uk stuck on grass verges as that one wheel has no traction.
Clear-Coconut-8384@reddit
Nah man, if you don’t need it for weather/go off-roading stick with fwd and good tires. Tires are way more important than drivetrain when it comes to grip. I say good tires because regardless they’ll help you stop faster in an emergency. Totally worth it. As far as drawbacks you have more parts that could potentially fail on your car. Never a good thing lol! In the end don’t let someone tell you what to get, it’s your decision! If you want awd for the odd chance you need it go for it! But if you’re reasonably sure you don’t need to drive through a flooded/harrowing area, fwd is cheaper, and perfect for you! Hope this helped!
SyrupLover25@reddit
Make sure he changes diff fluid soon! Those Honda's need the diff fluid changed every 2 or 3 oil changes or the clutch packs burn up.
penismonologues@reddit
If you go sking or on long winter trips it may be handy but not for AZ regular weather.
jstar77@reddit
You don't need AWD until you do and that time that you do need it you'll be very glad you have it. I would say it is well worth $1,500 even if you only truly need it a handful of times that you own the vehicle. When you do go to sell or trade in the vehicle the AWD CRV will have a higher resale value than the 2WD.
Lumpy-Process-6878@reddit
Seems it's an unnecessary expense and another system to eventually cause problems. Personally, I'd stick with th FWD.
Choice-Drink276@reddit
It will be worth another $1500 more than the FWD ones when you go to sell it.
Also
My mom drives a 2020 CRV AWD and my grandma has a 2020 CRV FWD. You can feel the difference while driving them. The AWD feels more planted. I prefer it. But, the FWD was also an enjoyable drive.
chocolate_milkers@reddit
I would say don't get it. If it was the same price then yeah it would be worth it but extra 1500 upfront on top of the added maintenance is not worth it for you. Resale won't be as high but you'll save money upfront which is always valuable. And you can't predict what will happen with prices in the future, maybe the difference in resale value won't even be significant.
The001Keymaster@reddit
Skip it. Extra things to break and more cost. You'll never need it in Arizona. Literally never.
Alert_Gur_4496@reddit
Skip AWD if you don't need it. Even if you ever drive in snowy conditions, FWD with good tires is just fine (spoken from Minnesota resident).
Also when you have to replace a tire you'll be thankful. For the AWD they "strongly urge" you to replace not just 2, but all 4 tires "unless it's not possible". It says something almost like that in the manual and all the shops will tell you you NEED to change all 4 to stay within your warranty (probably just pressure, but it makes you worry and doubt - and then you just end up getting all 4 to not worry or doubt).
teleskier97@reddit
I live in a snowy climate and specifically did not get AWD. Front drive (with snow tires) is fine. It’s not worth the added expense, plus it’s more stuff to break and mechanical complexity. I just did rear hub/bearings…$200 each and four bolts. No more difficult than doing brakes really. (Car is a 2009 Vibe, 170k miles, owned since new so definitely got my use out of the factory bearings). Add in that the extra weight and mechanicals will negatively affect your fuel mileage and it’s totally it worth it. Again I live in a snowy mountain climate and am an avid skier and I choose 2wheel drive. I have no clue why it seems the majority of Americans automatically think they need awd.
ragingduck@reddit
Keep in mind that, with most 4WD/AWD vehicles, if you blow a tire, you will likely need to replace all 4 tires. The rolling diameters need to be within a certain a certain % of each other to prevent damage to the AWD/4WD system.
Tuques@reddit
No need for awd in your case. Save the money.
Fuck-Reddit-2020@reddit
I lived in Wisconsin for 8 years and did just fine with FWD. The thing about driving on ice and snow is that driving is the easy part. Stopping is hard, but AWD isn't going to help you there. If you even have to drive in snow, you are better off just taking it slow until you are comfortable, and making sure your tires aren't bald.
Greetingsmon@reddit (OP)
It does feel kind of silly for me to have it if people in Wisconsin are doing just fine without it, I guess the use case around here would be off roading after it's been raining but I don't do that
Outrageous_Lack8435@reddit
Worse gas mileage and you have to service them around 35 to 40 thousand miles. Fluids. Etc.
Ivy1974@reddit
Yes. If you ever happen to need it you will be thankful you have it. Not just for snow. I was driving up this dirt road in Vermont. My truck kept fishtailing so I put it in 4wheel and zero issues after that.
Mattyou1966@reddit
AWD is great in rain and snow. Not sure how much you will need it in AZ but if you get drenching downpours or snow go for it.
Low-Carob9772@reddit
More maintenance and lower gas mileage. Nope
Ecstatic_Account_744@reddit
My VW Sportwagen has 4Motion AWD. I’m in Ontario, Canada and even in the snow I rarely get it to send power to the rear unless I’m driving aggressively, which I tend to not do much any more. I’m sure you’d be fine with a FWD with quality tires. It’ll be lighter and a bit more fuel efficient. Also cheaper to maintain as you don’t need to service the rear differential or have the extra driveshaft or axles/CV joints.
spider1178@reddit
Cost wise, it will be more upfront and over the life of the car (mpg, maintenance, repairs), but it will probably increase the resale value.
As far as driveability, you have no need for it. Even in a snowy climate, AWD is nice, but a FWD car will do just fine with good tires and common sense driving. In your case, I doubt you'd see any benefit from it at all.
AKJangly@reddit
The Honda CRV doesn't really divert much torque to the rear wheels. It's good for snow, but not much else.
Sure, it's only an extra $1500, but you're adding more failure points at a greater cost with absolutely no benefit to you.
Pros: Nothing. Cons: Cost, complexity, reliability concerns, etc
tmoney645@reddit
You don't need it. It just makes your car get worse milage and the possibility to be more expensive to repair in the future.
No-Goal@reddit
The only reason you in Arizona should invest in it is if you ever relocate to a colder climate with snow and then you want to upgrade to a different car because a fwd suv in cold climates are far less desirable on the used market, otherwise skip it
Maddad_666@reddit
No
DiminutiveBoto95@reddit
If you want it and can afford it, sure get it. If you don’t need it or think you don’t need it and want to save some extra cash, pass on it this time.
I do some off-roading (soft roading) here in CO. I’ve never used the winch I installed (yet) but I’d rather have it and not need it. All personal judgement
congteddymix@reddit
You live in Az, don’t go off-road, don’t get snow or ice. Yeah AWD is a waste of money in your case and just would add unnecessary expenses should you need repairs.
gearhead5015@reddit
Do you need it? Not for your use case, no.
Should you buy it, that's up to you.
If I didn't live in a snowy climate, I'd save the cash on the price and fuel economy and buy the FWD. They aren't as popular, so resale may be lower, but that may not be a concern to you anyhow depending on how long you'll own it