Netanyahu says ‘last minute crisis’ with Hamas holding up approval of Gaza truce and hostage deal
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cap123abc@reddit
It was NEVER about the hostages! Now the whole world can see this for what it really is. The destruction of Gaza is the goal. Israel is a genocidal state and the world must hold them accountable.
montanunion@reddit
Genuine question, if the deal does end up going through, would you see that as evidence of the opposite?
Arkantesios@reddit
Genuine question, do you think all of the stuff Israel military did during the past year can be forgotten just by that deal going through?
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
Genuine question that pro-Hamas people never answer: what should Israel have done on October the 8th 2023?
Not what they shouldn't have done, what they should have done.
You guys never outright state that Israelis should let themselves be killed, but you don't allow them the self-defense that the rest of us enjoy, so the implication is clear.
At least have the guts to actually say it.
Arkantesios@reddit
I'm not pro Hamas. Imo Israel had the right to invade Hamas to save the hostage which would be long done if that was the goal.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
Save the hostages and prevent further attacks.
If it was my government that had attacked yours, I don't think you'd be singing the same tune when the French army invaded.
Arkantesios@reddit
Did they save the hostages? No.
I'm not going into the "if belgium attacked France" thing, that's way too dumb
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
It's an appeal to empathy. You seem to be one to need the situation to be personal for it to register.
Arkantesios@reddit
Again, I'm not pro Hamas. I have a lot of empathy for all the hostages and people in Israel living in fear of an Hamas attack. You seem to not have any empathy for palestinians being attacked, before or after 7th october.
EggYolk26@reddit
So by this logic isn't hamas also justified in attacking and taking hostages since Israel was and is holding palestinians including minors as hostages?
montanunion@reddit
I don't think it will be forgotten, I think once the outrage calms down people will realise that most of it was actually justified.
But I find it curious how e.g. this deal faltering would be proof that it was never about the hostages, but Israel making a deal that is obviously still controversial (as it exchanges innocent hostages for dozens of terrorists each) is not a sign that it indeed does care about the hostages - just like the military action to free them. Any action Israel takes is seen as just proving the already for foregone conclusion that Israel is evil even when it's clearly the victim. It's transparently ridiculous
Arkantesios@reddit
So you agree Israel should have accepted a bad deal way sooner if it is really about the hostage? Why didn't it happen before already?
Both sides are victim in this conflict, both side have a number of evil people enjoying killing the other side as well. Trying to convince the world that Israel is clearly the victim would have worked better by taking that bad deal before bombing the civilians and doing all these evil things.
montanunion@reddit
I don't. Israel accepted a bad deal during the last hostage negotiations (Gilad Shalit was exchanged for over 1000 Palestinians) and it did indeed lead to one hostage getting free, but it also very directly lead to 250 more hostages (as one of the people who was freed was Yahya Sinwar, who was basically the head behind October 7th). Literally everybody in Israel is aware of that and knowing what we know now, nobody would say that deal was good for hostages.
That's what the people who are like "ha, this isn't about the hostages!!!" don't get. This isn't the first time Israel has been in this situation and it's not the second and it's not the third or even the fourth. Hell, Bibi himself was injured in the line of duty while personally rescuing hostages during his army time from the Sabena machine, a few years later his own brother was killed rescuing hostages who had been brought to Uganda. Everybody in Israel recalls these incidents infinitely more fondly than the Shalit deal (even though at the time, international organisations did condemn Israel for daring to perform military actions in Uganda) and everybody would agree that long-term, they were the more sustainable course of action.
I 100% agree. But I need you to understand - and I think this is a common misconception, because for some reason people assume that everything Israel does is PR for foreign audiences - that Israel will always prioritise not being the victim, but actually winning, over losing with public sympathy. And that's because every single Israeli knows (as Palestinians know now) that losing with public sympathy doesn't get you anything. People on the other side of the earth might like you more, but that does not help you. Israel was the victim of October 7th, whether you like it or not. And it's trying to get back the hostages (including some successfully by force) but it's simultaneously making sure that this shit does not happen again.
Iamover18ustupidshit@reddit
The poster you're replying to said that once the "outrage calms down" people will realise that all the destruction, murder of innocents and carnage was "actually justified".
Do you really think OP has any intentions other than defending Israel to the tilt?
Pristine_Paper_9095@reddit
What a meaningless question. Next
dimsum2121@reddit
Of course they wouldn't.
adminofreditt@reddit
You are being downvoted but there are to comments answering their question and both say they wouldn't
DanDan1993@reddit
Watch everyone here blink away as the crisis has been resolved according to all news stations right now. Aryah Deri also published it's happening.
I doubt everyone here will backtrack on their comments....
Srinema@reddit
Israel murdered over 75 civilians and injured 250 more overnight, after the ceasefire was announced.
“Resolved” my ass.
DanDan1993@reddit
.... Did you even read the cease fire, or you don't know it starts at Sunday 1215 pm?
Srinema@reddit
I’m well aware. This is standard operating procedure for your terrorists - if ever there is a ceasefire, you bomb the living hell out of your targets until the minute the ceasefire is in effect.
And if 2023 in Gaza or 2024 in Lebanon is any indicator, then your terrorists will restart their bombing campaign less than an hour after the ceasefire goes into effect.
Besides, maybe there won’t be a ceasefire thanks to Ben-Gvir and Smotrich. Only time will tell if those genocidal ghouls get their way or not.
Try harder, genocide apologist.
DanDan1993@reddit
"I'm well aware I was dumb to say Israel already broke the ceasefire because it starts on Sunday and not yesterday"
That's a lot of words for saying you had no idea.
thegodfather0504@reddit
Go back to world news.
DanDan1993@reddit
Ohhh snap, how will I ever recover :(
ParagonRenegade@reddit
Hopefully you don't, and neither does Israel.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
You're the one supporting that, Hamas enthusiast.
ParagonRenegade@reddit
shut up lol
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
14 and already supporting Hamas? That's sad.
cap123abc@reddit
I don’t think any backtracking would be necessary due to the fact that this is the same ceasefire deal that Israel has rejected numerous times.
iordseyton@reddit
I thought the change in the deal was israel keeping temporary control of tbe Philadelphi corridor? Which I thought was the reason given for halting the negotiations last time around (discovery of tunnels in that area) .
Assuming I've got those facts right, itmakes sense to me.... the thing that's changed is Isreal has now had a chance to destroy those tunnels ...
waiver@reddit
They discovered tunnels that had been closed in the Egyptian side 10-11 years ago. They didnt discover any active smuggling tunnel.
cap123abc@reddit
As far as I can remember there was nothing temporary regarding the Israeli demand to control the Philadelphi corridor. It was rightfully called out by Palestinians as another attempt to maintain the occupation of Gaza.
Poltergeist97@reddit
Not at all. Its been documented time and time again that the main party stalling negotiations has always been Israel. Even Ben-Gvir admitted so in the a recent tweet:
https://x.com/itamarbengvir/status/1879075942015893956
This is the same deal that both Hamas and the US has been proposing since May. Why did it only now go through?
RealBrobiWan@reddit
Imagine a party refusing a hostage deal because they would only return dead hostages first. Then having the absolute gall to say it was the people who want their living hostages back who were being unreasonable. Absolutely insane batshit logic
cap123abc@reddit
If the deal ends up going through I will see this as proof that international pressure, especially from the US, is what is necessary to curb Israeli aggression. I won’t see this as evidence of the opposite because this is the same deal that Israel tanked numerous times the past year despite claiming it was actually Hamas that was not negotiating.
Naelok@reddit
Now we get to see who's the superpower.
This is the sort of blatant bullshit this guy has to used on Biden for months. Biden capitulated every time, to the point where it looked to the whole world like Israel was the senior partner in this relationship.
Now it's time for Trump. He announced the ceasefire. He took credit. This man is derailing it. Is he going to accept the humiliation or is he going to put Netanyahu in his place?
Let's see.
benjaminjaminjaben@reddit
I think its quite sad that the US uses this issue to point score domestically. Clearly the issue is the intransigence of the Israeli government which has nothing to do with the girth of either president's cock.
Iamover18ustupidshit@reddit
Oh wow, the self-proclaimed most pro-Israeli president in the history of US politics "abstained" and meekly asked for Israel to please take it easy and they told him to get lost.
As the leader the biggest superpower in the world, what more could he have done? Darn.
benjaminjaminjaben@reddit
Meddled in the internal politics of a external ally, clearly.
I'm not saying that's the wrong thing to do its just I assume there were lines that Biden woudn't cross and they don't have to be for simply bad reasons.
For people interested in the UN security council votes it was a big deal.
Iamover18ustupidshit@reddit
Biden and the US put out several "red lines" that they wouldn't let Israel cross.
Not only did Israel, as an "ally", blatantly cross those red lines, they took away Biden's red pen and broke it and didn't even give it back to him.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Biden did nothing except rush weapons to Israel and let all his “red lines” be trampled. Remember his telling Netanyahu to let aid in, and when Netanyahu ignored him authorised building a pier that was a complete waste of time and money where one US serviceman was killed and 2 wounded? Remember his telling Netanyahu that invading Rafah was a red line? Remember his telling Netanyahu to allow water flowing, only to have Israel systematically destroy nearly every water facility?
Biden is a genocidal joke.
benjaminjaminjaben@reddit
Ben Gvir has shown today that the argument is between them. Netanyahu is just trying to avoid his government collapsing so he don't have to go to the jail.
Naelok@reddit
Halt weapons.
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
I think we'll end up back here:
Trump says Netanyahu "never wanted peace" with the Palestinians
tkyjonathan@reddit
Did you ever ask if the Palestinians ever wanted peace? Because they repeated time and time again, very clearly that all they want is the destruction of Israel.
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
I think Israeli hasbarists have covered how bad, un-human and not-peace-wanting the Palestinians are. Not sure the dehumanisation strategy is working anymore though
tkyjonathan@reddit
But not next to a Jewish state. Israel has to be a majority Muslim country for them
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
Source?
tkyjonathan@reddit
The "source" is that they want full "right of return" for the 7 million Arabs living abroad = meaning Israel would be a Jewish minority country.
MountainTurkey@reddit
As they should, settler colonial states shouldn't exist in modern times.
tkyjonathan@reddit
Are you saying that Jews who have lived in Israel for 3000 years have no rights to live in Israel while Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula invaded and colonised them you support living there?
I guess you are pro-imperialism.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Are you saying that Ivanka Trump’s conversion to Judaism means she should be able to move to East Jerusalem or the West Bank and demand Palestinians who have lived there for generations be removed so she can live there instead of them? Because that’s what you are arguing for - not someone with thousands of years of history living in Palestine but people who lived far far away until very recently deciding that their religion trumps everyone else’s human rights.
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
The Nakba happened bro. A nation born of sin
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
Flair: North America.
Should your genocidal stance apply to yourself as well?
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
Every word out of Trump's mouth is a lie.
Zoetekauw@reddit
Damn that's insightful.
-SneakySnake-@reddit
He's not always wrong. This, saying that the economy runs better under Democrats. Constantly calling DeSantis "Pudding Fingers."
Waffles86@reddit
My whole life is deals. I'm like one big deal. That's all I do, so I understand it. And after meeting with Bibi for three minutes … I stopped Bibi in the middle of a sentence. I said, 'Bibi, you don't want to make a deal. Do you?' And he said, 'Well, uh, uh uh' — and the fact is, I don't think Bibi ever wanted to make a deal."
Very insightful paragraph
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
Not succinct or surprising, but yes - insightful
_Hollywood___@reddit
Yea this adds up with everything we already know about Netanyahu and how he operates. You know it’s bad when even Trump can see he is being lead along to nowhere.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
Always interesting to see how this Hamas sub will spin any story about the Hamas-Israel war as "Israel bad".
Hamas changes the deal because they want more mass murderers per civilian hostage, and you guys find a way to blame Israel. It'd be hilarious if it wasn't tragic and nauseating.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
Where are you getting this “Hamas has changed the deal” story from?
Iamover18ustupidshit@reddit
From Netanyahu, who is pulling the same BS as always in trying to break any potential agreement to save his seat.
Iamover18ustupidshit@reddit
It's always interesting to see Bibi apologists come out of the woodwork.
Ben Gvir literally said that they have successfully stopped multiple ceasefire attempts and will quit the government if this one goes through - but it's KHAMAS which is apparently the one changing the deal? Why? Because Netanyahu said so?
It'd be hilarious if it wasn't tragic and nauseating.
thepatriotclubhouse@reddit
People overestimate the US' leverage here. The US has no leverage to rein them in. Israel clearly represents their interests better than the Islamic theocracies in the area and both sides are fully aware of this.
Short of declaring war on their only ally in the most volatile part of the planet there is nothing the US will do. Taking back funding will force Israel to take the kiddie gloves off and then there would be serious war with casualty rates similar to other conflicts.
akbermo@reddit
Didn’t the US send $22 billion +? But it has no leverage?
thepatriotclubhouse@reddit
Both sides know if that money goes Israel's capacity to fight as targeted and defensively as it has goes.
And if that goes this will be more like a traditional war rather. Which will lead to death tolls in line with that and the region being even further destabilised.
akbermo@reddit
My point was leverage, how do you send that money and have no leverage
Gackey@reddit
The leverage is that Israel would not be physically capable of continuing the genocide without weapons and diplomatic support provided by the US.
tommytwolegs@reddit
Because the US is the only country that makes weapons?
shart_or_fart@reddit
Honestly, I hate Trump, but he’d buy some goodwill with me if bullied Netanyahu into a ceasefire. Israel’s relationship with the U.S. is actually a bad deal that needs correcting.
whogivesashirtdotca@reddit
You don’t think this whole situation has been orchestrated to do exactly that? Reagan and Nixon negotiated illegally behind the sitting Presidents’ backs for the same popularity boost. It’s GOP precedent.
ramiro-cantu@reddit
Different situation. Reagan and Nixon negotiated with American enemies not allies/client states. Biden could with one phone call end the war by saying no more bombs for you.
waiver@reddit
More reason for Biden to have applied some pressure to force Netanyahu into signing a ceasefire months ago, instead he kept giving him weapons, diplomatic cover and making up excuses everytime Netanyahu blew up ceasefire deals.
ODHH@reddit
Send in the real estate developer
Mordeth@reddit
You mean, a promise not to interfere with future apartheid politics.
Naelok@reddit
This stuff is also incredibly emasculating. If you can't get your shitty client state to do what you want, then you look like the client state.
Does Trump mind being humiliated the way Biden was? That's the question right now.
no_u_mang@reddit
I wouldn't be surprised if this delay is staged specifically to placate Trump and let him take credit later.
dummypod@reddit
No fucking way Trump is going to let him take attention away from his inauguration. Man needs everything to be perfect
iordseyton@reddit
Hes got 4 days for the halt on a ceasefire to run its media cycle, then he gets his couple days of uninterrupted inauguration news.
Then either he gets to take full credit for the ceasefire deal, or he lets israel go back to wiping them out, (moving towards the jews in the holy land goal his funding Christian dominionist supporters so desperately want)
says the deal failed because of Biden, and claims all liberal democracy allies of the US are too pro-terrorist to continue alliances with, and uses it as an excuse to move the USA away from them, distancing us from nato and UN, giving Putin more room to do his thing.
Consistent_Drink2171@reddit
Can't embarrass himself in front of Mr Kid Rock
BiCloverly@reddit
Mr Kid “Diddler ‘Some Call it Statutory, I Call it Mandatory’” Rock**
frackingfaxer@reddit
More likely it's to placate the right-wing extremists in his cabinet.
Iyellkhan@reddit
I mean, its far more likely trump would just let netanyahu resume leveling the place. this would not be seen as a humiliation, instead it would be seen as retribution from the muslim ban guy.
the only humiliation would be directed at biden.
frackingfaxer@reddit
“Who the fuck does he think he is? Who's the fucking superpower here?”
—Bill Clinton
toxicunderGroov@reddit
Can i have a little bit more lebensraum daddy? Pleaseeeeeeeeeee...
whogivesashirtdotca@reddit
It’s Bibi. He doesn’t ask permission, he just takes it.
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
I see two ways it goes, (1) Trump makes it clear Isreal will agree or face the US Military, (2) Trump makes it clear Hamas will follow the agreement as written or the US will invade Gaza.
waiver@reddit
You are assuming that Netanyahu is saying the truth for once in his life.
Mognakor@reddit
(3) Trump tries to fuck with Bibi but not with Israel
cultish_alibi@reddit
Yeah no that's not going to happen. The worst the US has ever done was send a shipment of weapons like one hour later than planned.
Borealisss@reddit
Deal stands: "It was all Trump's doing, Biden who?"
Deal fails: "Look at the bad deal crooked Joe made, truly the badest deal ever made, Trump would not make such a bad bad deal. Trump only makes the best deals, the best deals I tell you, the best deals. Not bad deals like crooked Joe and the criminal left, but great deals, the greatest deals."
Zosimas@reddit
man that's depressing
n05h@reddit
Trump will do what he always does. Sell snake oil. He will say the deal is done while nothing got signed. And he will drown it out with some other scandal or whatever he can come up with and there will be nothing to be done because the media will cover anything he says, even if it’s the most meaningless shit.
AniTaneen@reddit
FINALLY SOMEONE GETS THROUGH THE DAMN AUTOMOD.
This shit has been brewing for DAYS! Netanyahu doesn’t have the votes in his cabinet to end the war.
ODHH@reddit
The automod is so fucking annoying sometimes.
The most interesting question now is whether or not Netanyahu will allow the ceasefire to progress past phase 1. His coalition mates are publicly stating that they will leave his coalition if fighting does not resume immediately after phase 1.
AniTaneen@reddit
Source: https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-ceasefire-draft-terms-hostages-3df21b67620fdc8f62aa1d1e96487880
Draft of the Israel-Hamas ceasefire deal PHASE 1: (42 Days) * Hamas releases 33 hostages, including female civilians and soldiers, children and civilians over 50 * Israel releases 30 Palestinian prisoners for each civilian hostage and 50 for each female soldier * Halt to fighting, Israeli forces move out of populated areas to the edges of the Gaza Strip * Displaced Palestinians begin returning home, more aid enters the strip
PHASE 2: (42 Days)
PHASE 3:
Border crossings for movement in and out of Gaza are reopened
The question is if the Far Right will even put up with the first phase. You are easily talking about the release of over a thousand Palestinians from Israeli prison, with priority often given to Hama commanders and fighters.
My question is if the first phase will even last the 42 days?
travistravis@reddit
I get so frustrated by this -- Palestinian "prisoners" ... despite most of them having no charges laid, no reasons given for arrest, no legal recourse -- they're hostages, and why the fuck aren't they ALL being released!?
RealBrobiWan@reddit
I get so frustrated by this — Palestinian “hostages” … despite that isn’t what they are asking for Because the current sticking point is Hamas also want the convicted mass murderers released which Israel refuses. Here that. Convicted mass murderers. No without trial or this nonsense where you think they are hostages. People held on the same level as Sinwar, you know the guy released from a similar hostage deal in the past who then commited a huge terror attack on Israel? I find it very easy to understand why that would be a hard pill to swallow. So being Palestinian means you can’t be a prisoner anymore? Even if you went through the courts for multiple counts of murder, were convicted.
travistravis@reddit
If they've committed crimes by all means charge them with it, and follow the procedure for criminal trial.
The ones that should never have been taken are the thousands held with absolutely no charges.
Iamover18ustupidshit@reddit
Didn't this fatty LITERALLY waddle away from a released hostage and the families of current hostages because he was too scared to face them?
brrbles@reddit
Someone should lock the cabinet chambers and let them all thunderdome things out. None of these guys is a sympathetic figure.
Private_HughMan@reddit
Thirty four men enter! No man leaves!
Borealisss@reddit
The 'last minute crisis' being that several of his ministers are threatening to leave his coalition if this deal goes through, taking their parties with them and leaving Netanyahu without a majority.
They never wanted the hostages back, they couldn't give less of damn about them. They just want to continue the slaughter until the untermensch is exterminated and they get more lebensraum.
azure_beauty@reddit
False, the crisis is Hamas attempting to backtrack the terms of the deal and negotiate better conditions, primarily Israel's veto over security prisoners, because Hamas wants to release more murderers.
Elegant_Doughnut_144@reddit
Nope that’s Israel stop lying.
azure_beauty@reddit
What's the point of commenting under an article if you don't care what it says anyway?
Elegant_Doughnut_144@reddit
I actually care about the facts unlike you with your agenda because if your association with Israel.
azure_beauty@reddit
Yes and you with your Luigi Mangione profile picture are not biased at all.
Elegant_Doughnut_144@reddit
Why would a Luigi magione profile pic make me biased on I/P ? As opposed to a diaspora Jew ?
Decency@reddit
Unclear but you're here in every one parroting the same bullshit anyway.
Snoo66769@reddit
They are responding specifically to the topic, with facts from the article mentioned.. they are responding to people who are making shit up to make it fit their narrative.
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
What's a security prisoner?
azure_beauty@reddit
Murderers.
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
How do they differ from other prisoners?
azure_beauty@reddit
By the fact that they murdered someone and are now serving life sentences. Hamas wants them released in exchange for hostages they kidnapped against international law.
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
What are the crimes of the other prisoners?
azure_beauty@reddit
The other prisoners are not the point of contention
Alternative-Code-673@reddit
You still haven’t answered the question.
azure_beauty@reddit
That's like asking what is the crime of people sitting in American jails. Do you want me to list every violation? Every Israeli law?
Alternative-Code-673@reddit
“Israeli Law” on Palestinian lands?
azure_beauty@reddit
Are you of the belief that no Palestinian nationals exist in Israel?
Alternative-Code-673@reddit
You talk as if only Palestinians in Israel get arrested when literal kids are getting arrested daily for as small as throwing stones. Arresting a Hospital Director of. Gaza Hospital and calling it an accident. American Human Rights activists getting arrested for helping civilians. Please don’t act like Israel is only arresting people who committed crimes. Especially when they can’t do anything to get out. Do better.
It’s even worse when you see the way these prisoners are treated Innocent or not.
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
I'm looking for a clear definition of 'security prisoner' which you haven't offered
azure_beauty@reddit
I used that term because that is what the negotiations use to refer to the 30 prisoners Israel will be releasing in exchange for civilian hostages.
In reality that is not an appropriate term, as Hamas' current demand is the release of murderers serving life sentences. Which is defined as a person who murdered people and then was sentenced by Israeli court to life in prison.
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
I'm not after the definition of 'murderer'. I'm after the definition of 'security prisoner' given Israel holds ~10,000 of them
azure_beauty@reddit
They are not what Hamas is holding the negotiations up over, you can go to B'tselem and get all the definitions you want. It is not relevant here.
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
Statistics on topics such as "house demolitions", "separation barrier", "restriction of movement", "settlements" and "fatalities". Very interesting, thanks
azure_beauty@reddit
Are you just not going to talk about the topic of this conversation at all?
Srinema@reddit
Oh, now Israel cares about international law?
azure_beauty@reddit
Murder is bad
ParagonRenegade@reddit
The Israelis disagree, hence their being genocidal thugs.
EH1987@reddit
You only appeal to international law when it stands to benefit you but then act like it's meaningless the moment it becomesan obstacle, please just drop the pretense already.
azure_beauty@reddit
If you believe in international law then it applies to Hamas too.
EH1987@reddit
Do you?
azure_beauty@reddit
Only when it aligns with my political beliefs.
EH1987@reddit
So no I guess.
azure_beauty@reddit
Well no in this case it does align with my political beliefs so it's fine
Alternative-Code-673@reddit
Okay it did because Yahya Sinwar also had warrants but guess who killed him? Can you please state the reasons why other prisoners are there in Israel other than the “security prisoners” you’re talking about?
azure_beauty@reddit
If you believe in international law then it applies to Hamas too.
Minister_for_Magic@reddit
Because the fucking war criminal in chief says so? That’s not evidence, buddy. The government that STILL can’t provide a single shred of evidence about the mass child rapes by Hamas is FULL OF SHIT. Netanyahu will say and do ANYTHING to ensure he stays in power and out of the prison cell he’s otherwise heading toward.
TeaJust8335@reddit
lol I absolutely love when people come in with their own made up nonsense like people are gonna believe some dumbass comment from an obvious Israeli shill. So Netanyahu won’t elaborate, but you will? What special role in Israeli government do you hold that grants you elevated access to this info Netanyahu does not have, or gives you the authority to share it when he will not? Nothing. The answer is nothing. You have as much useful and accurate information on this matter as my 5 year old. Though she would probably be more articulate in expressing it.
djhab@reddit
every accusation is a confession with israel.
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
notably, that's not correct in this case; the "crisis" is Hamas reneging on an earlier agreement granting Israel a veto over which prisoners convicted of murder would be released in exchange for hostages.
NukeAGayWhale4Jesus@reddit
Source?
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
https : // www . newsweek . com / netanyahu-postpones-gaza-ceasefire-deal-hamas-crisis-2015854
monkwren@reddit
Hmm, not seeing Hamas involved there.
Oh, looks like Netanyahu is full of bullshit. Unsurprising.
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
monkwren@reddit
Means jack shit, Netanyahu says a lot of shit, and most of it is false or incorrect.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
But the words of Izzat al-Rashq don't?
If you want to distrust someone's claims, maybe start with the terrorists.
Private_HughMan@reddit
Why the spaces? This sub usually allows external links.
BackseatCowwatcher@reddit
Default posting standards from me, more than a few subs ban links or link posters even where relevant and on topic- so I add spaces so the common automod rules ignore it and go about my day.
NukeAGayWhale4Jesus@reddit
Thanks.
"Netanyahu's office accused Hamas of reneging on an earlier agreement granting Israel a veto over which prisoners convicted of murder would be released in exchange for hostages."
"earlier agreement" - so not part of the ceasefire agreement?
Listen_Up_Children@reddit
It's was always part of the deal that Israel would refuse to release certain people.
NoobOfTheSquareTable@reddit
The ceasefire was agreed with the previous deal in place so would have impacted the terms
If we have a deal 1) “if A sells land to B, A and B have to agree which land is being sold rather than A deciding”
And than we make deal 2) “A and B agree to the sale of a 100m ^2 plot” where you have both agreed the land being sold.
A then saying “actually I am ignoring deal 1 and giving you the boggy land down by the river rather then the overlook you wanted for the new house” would technically only be breaking deal 1 but it would impact deal 2
NukeAGayWhale4Jesus@reddit
Which previous deal? Is the text available?
It's hard to come up with a scenario where this is in any way Hamas's fault. Does the ceasefire agreement include a list of the Palestinian hostages that Israel is going to release, and Israel is only now going through that list? Does the ceasefire agreement say that Hamas will supply a list consistent with that unknown "previous agreement", and Hamas has now supplied that list, including names inconsistent with that previous agreement? In that case, the solution would be to point out Hamas's clerical error and approve the agreement as written.
It's all so vague. Which would be 100% consistent with Netanyahu having coalition problems and scrambling to come up with a way to blame it on Hamas, and quite inconsistent with Hamas being the actual problem.
Monte924@reddit
So the source is Netanyahu... the guy who has claimed for the past year that hamas was refusing any ceasefire offers even though the current deal is one that is similar to what Hamas offered in the beginning, but israel refused becayae they did not want any prisoner swaps and insisted the ceasefire include disarming hamas and removing them from power
stonkmarxist@reddit
Netanyahu states it without specifics? I automatically don't believe it
monkwren@reddit
Especially when there's reporting on the chaos in his cabinet as a result of the ceasefire announcement. It's pretty clear the "crisis" is internal Israeli politics, not anything Hamas is doin.
cultish_alibi@reddit
It's weird how Hamas say they agreed to the terms, and the US say that Hamas agreed to the terms, but Israel are saying Hamas hasn't agreed to the terms.
Really weird, tbh.
BrownThunderMK@reddit
Netanyahu will also face a 10/7 investigation, which will immediately turn up how he allowed suitcases full of Qatar cash into Gaza to bolster Hamas’s paraglider fund
Snoo66769@reddit
Israel has never denied allowing Hamas to get cash from Qatar, the world demanded they allow it allegedly to fund Gazan services after Hamas wasted their billions of dollars on military equipment. Also that was years ago, absolutely nothing to do with Oct 7.
BehemothDeTerre@reddit
Pro-Hamas people if Israel doesn't allow Qatari cash into Gaza: "Israel is blocking funds to Gaza! They're occupying them!"
Pro-Hamas people if Israel does allow Qatari cash into Gaza: "Israel is funding Hamas because!"
Those people start with the stance that everything Israel/the jews is reprehensible, and then use an ad-hoc justification for it.
domiy2@reddit
Hey, why did he allow funding. It can't be because a president (Trump) did massive budget cuts for Palestinians right? Is allowing you to replace what the US cut a bad thing? right?
AniTaneen@reddit
Not the first time. And won’t be the last.
I’m going to avoid a comment about how Netanyahu’s political career is like a cockroach surviving nuclear war, since it might provoke a judeophobic trope. Instead I think we (Jews) need to add his political career to the end of the Had Gadya, cause it survived the angel of death.
Green_Space729@reddit
The last minute crisis is him adding new stipulation last minute to purposely derail the deal.
Zosimas@reddit
yeah, we've been hearing about this crisis for over a year already
it's the same tricks again and again but enough for the US to say "oh yeah we totally buy that"
overtoke@reddit
"why is that building still standing? this is a crisis!" -netanyahu
Private_HughMan@reddit
I dunno. I could also see Netanyahu allowing people to return to the building and then bombing it because they saw "suspected terrorists" enter the building.
aznoone@reddit
So Musk could decide their next leader. /s
Lathariuss@reddit
And absolutely no one was surprised.
I dont wanna see anyone saying “israel is trying to end the war” or “hamas wants their civilians dying” after this shit. This isnt the first time israel pulls this stunt.
It’s clear which side is trying to end it and which is trying to prolong it.
i_make_orange_rhyme@reddit
>Bezalel Smotrich, posted on X late Wednesday that he was demanding “absolute certainty” that Israel can resume the war later,
Someones is saying the quiet part out loud.
Sounds like an "absoulute certainity" that Smotrich will try to resume the war ASAP.
Pristine_Paper_9095@reddit
Hamas literally backed out of a part of the deal, and Hamas EVERY SINGLE TIME has renegged. Every. Time.
Shut up
dimsum2121@reddit
Lol Hamas started the war and consistently denied to even talk peace. Fuck off.
Lathariuss@reddit
Oh heavens, I’ve upset the uneducated zionists who think this all started on Oct. 7. Woe is me, what ever will I do?
This is the second or third agreement that was made by a third party (that the US ‘confirmed’ israel accepted) which Hamas accepted and Israel refused or backed out of. Ismail Haniyeh was constantly in negotiation talks until Israel killed him (which was not a valid military target btw). Sinwar refused.
But please, tell me more about how “hamas started this”. Just keep your distance when you do, your breath smells like Bibis cock.
dimsum2121@reddit
No it all started when Jordanians and Egyptians decided to cosplay as people from Canaan. Palestinian is an imaginary identity and will remain an imaginary state.
Shame 🎻
Lathariuss@reddit
Its really sad how you need to rewrite history and an entire populations DNA to feel like you belong anywhere.
When it comes to genetic ties to the ancient Cannanites, an average palestinian has ~75%, an average mizrahi jew has ~65%, and an average ashkenazi jew has ~30%.
Very pathetic that your superiority complex wont let you accept we are indigenous to the region and that we are cousins with the jews.
NukeAGayWhale4Jesus@reddit
Interesting to run across someone else who is knowledgeable (or at least in my case, not entirely ignorant) about this stuff. Is it that the Palestinians are "cousins" with the Jews, i.e., some other semitic tribe that was also in the area 2000 years ago? Or that the Palestinians are the direct descendants of the biblical-times Jews, the ones who didn't leave in the diaspora?
Private_HughMan@reddit
They're "cousins" in a sense, yes. But much older than 2000 years ago. More like 4000 years.
waiver@reddit
Palestinians are descendants of people living in the region since the Bronze Age, some of them Jewish.
dimsum2121@reddit
Me when I make shit up 🤡
Private_HughMan@reddit
Hamas started this particular war but they have repeatedly agreed to multiple peace talks and even agreed to peace deal proposals.
nabkawe5@reddit
The corpse of the negotiator refused to negotiate after being bombed by Israel...
tkhrnn@reddit
I am against the ceasefire. There is no place for a ceasefire in this conflict. The eng goal for Hamas haven't changed and they still seem to be widely supported. A ceasefire means they stay, the conflict continues and they did nothing wrong.
They must surrender, and if they choose to fight to the last Palestinian, it's their fucking problem.
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
You aren't going to destroy resistance to apartheid by making more orphans. It's not going to work
tkhrnn@reddit
You do be surprised what can be solved with violence. And Hamas and their supporters chose violence, So why would you keep try to bail them out. The only proper way for this war is annihilation of surrender. Any entertainment of other solution is only killing more innocents.
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
Did Israel give things any opportunity to go any other way? Do the Palestinians have any opportunity to air grievances in a court that Israel recognises and respects? How does Netanyahu allowing money to Hamas and calling them 'an asset' fit into this? Does Israel being able to control what types of food go into Gaza (prior to the current conflict) seem normal to you?
The world isn't as backwards as it was mid-last century so I'm not sure people are going to buy that the slaughter of innocents is for the greater good (unless you see the ones being slaughtered as inferior). All Israel is doing is digging its own grave.
tkhrnn@reddit
Yes, 2000 Camp David Summit.
Probably, They can go to thew Israeli court. I am not versed on the subject.
How does Netanyahu not blocking aid to Gaza from Qatar is something you disagree with? Would you now support blocking Aid into Gaza because Hamas will use it for evil?
Israel blocking cookies is not okay, to my knowledge it had changed. and was caused because imports into Gaza were allowed based on whitelist and not a blacklist.
Why wouldn't Hamas simply surrender, why must Palestinians suffer to protect Hamas?
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
Netanyahu justified sending cash to Hamas by claiming it would prevent the formation of a Palestinian state. The narrative that Israel wants peace is garbage. Israel wants the Palestinians to stop resisting and accept their slow destruction quietly.
reddit4ne@reddit
Netanyahoo is in a corner. And its either his short term survival at stake or its his long term (and Israel's long term) survival at stake.
There are two people petty enough that you do no want to embarass them publicly, or they will become your sworn enemies. Arab leaders (such as MBS) and Donald Trump. Nutanyahoo has already earned the life long enmity of MBS (going 'nuclear' in Gaza just as MBS put himself out on a limb to negotiate full recognition of Israel is something MBS will never forgive). If he backs out of the deal now, and leaves Trump with egg on his face just as he gets inaugurated, he can add Trump to that long term enemy deal.
It might keep his coalition government together in short term, but it spells the end of both Israel and Netanyahoo's career long-term.
LowRevolution6175@reddit
Live by the far-right allies, die by the far-right allies.
Netanyahu leads an insane political life, I have no idea how he still manages it at his age without completely collapsing health-wise. In the past few years he's had a pacemaker put in, hospitalized for an upper respiratory infection, and had surgery to remove his prostate - after which he left the hospital against medical advice to not miss a vote in Knesset.
Meanwhile, his wife (who everyone hates) has been on vacation in Miami for 6+ months.
DanDan1993@reddit
Sarah isn't in Miami for 6+ months. But God I hope she'll be for much longer.
Afaik she's at ~66 days now. It's really a bizarre event that's taking some headlines... This family is so fucking ridiculous
LowRevolution6175@reddit
oh, maybe I got the wrong info
L_o_n_g_b_o_i@reddit
How's lil Yair doing? Still dodging service?
LowRevolution6175@reddit
probably still going to strip clubs with security paid for by Israeli taxes
Private_HughMan@reddit
Can't have a heart attack if you have no heart.
OptiKnob@reddit
Is this the same Netenyahu who has repeatedly lied about his intent in Gaza and surrounding countries?
Is this another lie we're supposed to believe?
AlludedNuance@reddit
Of fucking course he does. People are saying this is inter-coalition politics or whatever, but Netanyahu knows about all of this and surely most of the people negotiating for a deal know it, too.
Enough of those in power in Israel have no interest in an actual peace deal, in ever getting all of the remaining hostages back, or deescalating by a significant margin at all, at that.
panjeri@reddit
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-january-16-2025/
anonymous2971@reddit
Excuses excuses excuses
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