Americans living in NZ…
Posted by otajillian@reddit | expats | View on Reddit | 46 comments
I’ve been looking into potential work in NZ as my husband and I have tier 1 jobs that would grant us a residency visa and I was curious about the cost-of-living in the larger cities - Auckland, Wellington, or Christchurch- compared to CA. I work in healthcare (physical rehabilitation) and he is a civil engineer.
We also have a child who has type 1 diabetes and need to take into consideration his condition when deciding on the best places for him to continue to receive specialized care as well as stable and consistent access to insulin.
Any other thoughts on Americans living in NZ? Cliche? Stereotypical? Desperate? …smart? 😵💫 Im spinning my wheels over here and while this might only be a pipe dream, I just have to put it out there to see if it’s even remotely worth it.
Appreciate any and all advice. 🤲🏼
Master_Pattern_138@reddit
I'm a healthcare provider that was fortunate to get in with points because of the need in early 2021 during COVID. Things to consider aside from those mentioned: You didn't mention your child's age, but safety is something to consider. It is actually safe here, in a way that you can't even really explain to Kiwis, particularly for children. It makes my heart so glad to see them out everywhere playing, riding bikes, in parks, trails normally! It is not easy socially, that much is true, and I would say Wellington is its own thing that way too. Smaller places outside a city are a totally different experience (I knew everyone in the beach town 18k from Wellington and 2 now in the city). If you have a source of income or reserves you keep of any kind at home in the States, keep U.S. dollars so you can use them for plane fare (far less) and then visiting family/friends isn't as bad, just the hours in the air.
Other bonuses (I came from CA also): clean air, cleaner (by a LOT) food, water, kinder culture, and depending on where you are, access to incredible opportunities for outdoor activities.
otajillian@reddit (OP)
My son is 8. We are very much an “outdoorsy” family so the idea of living in a place with so much natural beauty and outdoor activities seems ideal for us. We currently live in a town near Tahoe (I was born and raised here) so small town living is fine by us. I currently have to commute almost an hour to work in the city here so that is a drag. What is the traffic situation there? What small towns would be ideal for living but close enough to drive to work, which will likely be the case for our careers as well?
When you say you got in to NZ with “points” what do you mean by that?
Master_Pattern_138@reddit
Unless you lived in Auckland, the largest city here, there is nothing like "traffic" even remotely like what we know as such. That is a beautiful thing! It isn't hard to be close to work, I could walk and now, there literally is no commute. (Confession though: I was spoiled from Ventura, had it set up similarly, was 3 miles from my office).
"Points" refers to the immigration process. You apply and are accepted or not based on a points system (very fair) that considers age (as with all other First World countries but ours, wonderful benefits they need to protect and selectively decide who gets), ability to contribute to what is needed (green list need jobs, education, etc), health (how much of a burden to the healthcare system might you be, as harsh as that sounds, fair question). Like I said, I just barely squeaked in with age (had 2 weeks, and the window would have closed), and remember, this is a country with only 5 million people half the size of California. They must be selective and it should be hard. However, it is worth it. I went through 4 (at my expense, no small thing) specialists that immigration asked me to, addressing issues I had (old injuries, issues women have in their 50's). You realize immigrating to another country just how entitled you have been and have internalized that no matter how much you think you haven't. 😊 It's a good growth experience.
You might see where there are jobs right now for your profession, just to get an idea of what regions you might be living near. Also look at climate data for various parts of each island (north and south). Most Americans here (and majority I would say are us Californians lol) live in North Island, but you'll be bound by where the job is first for your initial work visa (why I'm in Wellington, though that will be changing). New Zealand spans a wide range in latitude from subtropical to subantarctic but there are microclimates also that are dramatically different around regions. Blenheim, a town in the Marlborough Sounds of South Island, for example, is very warm, sunny though isolated, yet not too far away on the West Coast, in Greymouth, it can rain like crazy and be completely different. Same here on North Island.
As far as jobs go, government work, which is how most of us started in health care (like Public Health), is very hard to get a job in right now thanks to a currently right wing Prime Minister and a few others who gutted new jobs, cut others (though this will be temporary). There are private groups that provide healthcare services of all kinds here, however, like Habit Health (a large, country-wide, multi-system health group).
That's a lot, but hope it's helpful! I would advise, as others likely have, hiring an immigration consultant (not cheap, but worth it), and I could recommend mine highly. Helps especially with special situations like your son's.
Happy to help with questions! Best to you guys!
otajillian@reddit (OP)
I really appreciate your thorough response. I am taking it all in. In discussions with my extended family, we will likely fly down in Nov-Dec 2025 for a few weeks and see for ourselves what it might be like. Then head home and decide what our next moves will be.
Blacksprucy@reddit
Just be aware, the current immigration situation for health care professionals may look very different in a year from now. NZ is a very small country - think Colorado in terms of population. While there are skills shortages in the health care system right now, it would not take much of an influx of health care professionals from a large country experiencing political turmoil (aka America) to fill those gaps and professions to start being removed from the immigration shortage lists.
I know someone up the HR ladder a ways in Health NZ (public health system). According to him, this is already happening with a few health care specialties.
otajillian@reddit (OP)
Appreciate this response. I can definitely see (and appreciate) many Americans are looking for an escape currently cough cough Definitely feels like we’ve reached a tipping point here and I don’t know if we are going to come back from this nightmare anytime soon. I’m really just thinking about my child and his needs. I am worried for his future here. Sigh.
Blacksprucy@reddit
We are former Americans in NZ now for over 15 years. Wife is in health care here. Send me a chat request if you want to discuss anything.
otajillian@reddit (OP)
Will do
Blacksprucy@reddit
What exactly is your qualification/education?
Are you a psychologist?
otajillian@reddit (OP)
OT
Blacksprucy@reddit
Occupational therapist?
otajillian@reddit (OP)
Yes, OT
Blacksprucy@reddit
Well there are OT job opportunities being advertised now that are open international applicants.
otajillian@reddit (OP)
Well that’s reassuring. I was curious about the technical differences of physiotherapy v physical therapy v occupational therapy and if they landed under one umbrella.
Blacksprucy@reddit
Have a look at the vacancies w/ Habit Health NZ
otajillian@reddit (OP)
Thanks again, appreciate the help
Blacksprucy@reddit
No problem. Hit me up if you have any questions.
Blacksprucy@reddit
Just one example.
Blacksprucy@reddit
Pretty sure they are different
Blacksprucy@reddit
Send me a chat request if you want to discuss further.
Blacksprucy@reddit
As an former American now in NZ for 15 years, trying to explain the whole "safety" concept is pretty hard to just about anyone really. It becomes pretty clear after you experience it first hand though.
Blacksprucy@reddit
Occupational Therapist?
Tardislass@reddit
Are you fine with not seeing friends and family for years? Are you fine with being in a remote location. A woman I know moved to Australia and one of the first things she noticed was the isolation. To travel to even the closest countries in Asia, costs a lot of money and the flight time is at least 6 hours. For those Americans used to just hopping on a plane and being in a different country in 5-6 or even 3 hours, the isolation can feel brutal. And unlike Australians, New Zealanders can be a bit more standoffish at first.
I would move for the adventure of it-NOT because I thought there was better healthcare(debatable) or because of politics.
Blacksprucy@reddit
The isolation is what makes it awesome down here.
otajillian@reddit (OP)
If we move we are likely moving with my extended family as well.
cr1zzl@reddit
Why do you want to move to New Zealand? Have you travelled here before?
The country is going through some bad times atm… I mean yeah a lot of countries are as well the world is going to shit, but the new government is pushing austerity and jobs in most sectors are getting cut. Professionally trained people have been looking for jobs for months with nothing. Even though we need medical professionals, 1500 jobs were just recently cut from HealthNZ alone.
That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try, especially if you are skilled in careers that are in demand.
As long as you’re not a dick, no one cares if you’re American. A lot of Americans come here and say shit like “that’s not how we do things in America” so just… don’t do that and you’ll be fine. Different country different expectations.
Don’t do this to try to escape something. It won’t go well. But if there’s something about New Zealand that you know and love, go for it.
doubtfulisland@reddit
I've been watching from afar. This is what happens when Peter Theil is allowed in. He's funded Trump, lobbied for multiple changes and made sure people that oppose him are voted out of office. He's someone who just wants to warch the world burn. The same playbook happened here in the US and is funded by billionaires in a grab for more power and money.
I'm deeply sad for the wonderful people in NZ. While not all perfect by far the Kiwis are the most wonderful people I've ever spent time around. I hope New Zealand and it's people are able to find peace and go about their lives without so many worries soon.
circle22woman@reddit
You think Peter Thiel convinced the NZ people to vote out the old government?
doubtfulisland@reddit
I think his money is influencing politics. It's certainly not a well kept secret. He did manage to get citizenship after 12 days and most people wait years. It should be around 4 years with a $15 million investement or 5 plus years on the skills shortage. What are your thoughts?
circle22woman@reddit
How? Be specific.
And how do you know it's influencing it? How do you know voters aren't just tired of the old guys?
otajillian@reddit (OP)
These billionaires are sociopaths. The desire to control and conquer every square inch of the planet, bending everyone to their will is so insane. How they are unable to see how unhinged that is…it’s just wild. Malignant narcissism by a powerful few will ruin us all. It breaks my heart.
Pin_ellas@reddit
Someone on reddit the other day compared them to cancer which made sense to me.
yckawtsrif@reddit
Sage advice
ArbaAndDakarba@reddit
No it's nice here but much harder to build wealth.
otajillian@reddit (OP)
Im more or less looking for quality of life over “building wealth.” We just want to live comfortably- not excessively- and feel safe.
Sending my child to school here sometimes feels scary. There was a school shooting at an elementary school in our town 15 years ago and an employee was murdered. Americas priorities are whack and I know they will not change. It is upsetting really.
switheld@reddit
your definition of comfortable as a US American will need to change. a lot of things that are normal in the US are considered excessive or luxuries or just plain non-existent here, e.g. insulation, double pane windows, fly screens, land, central air, large food portions, low-fee investment options, deferred tax on retirement accounts, good customer service and return policies, etc.
other than the housing conditions, sun, nature in general, and certain gang neighborhoods, it is pretty safe here, though.
otajillian@reddit (OP)
I live in a home that was built in 1962 without many bells and whistles. We’ve done work on it ourselves but that’s about it. We are solidly middle class and frugal for the most part. Definitely have never lived in excess, buy second hand clothing usually, drive used vehicles etc etc. I am just looking for a place where I can safely raise my child where we can take in the beautiful sights and enjoy a simple life.
Pale-Candidate8860@reddit
Realistically, with you and your husband's professions, even with the wage cut, you'll be doing very well in NZ.
ArbaAndDakarba@reddit
All valid and pretty good reasons to eject. It is safer here. Also more temperate for now.
As much as I fear cashed up Americans coming over here and out competing us, you will do very well here if you've saved about $500k USD to buy a house.
RadialPrawn@reddit
You'll be fine just remember to run as soon as another pandemic hits or you'll be forcefully put in concentration camps and some weird horse faced lady will be telling you they're doing it for your own good. Also don't try to get there by boat or they'll shoot it down
otajillian@reddit (OP)
As someone who worked/works 1:1 with COVID patients as they were literally gasping for air as if they were drowning, absolutely scared shitless that they were knocking on deaths door tell me verbatim “I messed up. I made a mistake” on countless occasions. I sometimes even had multiple family member families who would be roomed together. Husband and wife sharing a room and one would die next to the other. I know you wanted to be controversial with your comment but I have to assure you, you have never seen death so close to so many people…and it changes you. I also have an immunocompromised child who would benefit from a society that didn’t think so little of his existence.
exsnakecharmer@reddit
How's life in 2020?
No-Pea-8967@reddit
For a NZ, you have to pass a medical exam. You may want to investigate whether your child would be disqualified from a visa with T1D. Not trying to be harsh but NZ and AU usually don't give visas for people who need long term health care.
Physical-Fly6697@reddit
Quality of life is nice and lots of good public schools in good areas, but as others have said pay is relatively low for basically everything except being a civil servant (of which there are now very few jobs available due to recent cuts). But the cost of living is high, in particular for housing in Auckland and Wellington and food. Medical care is free, GPs are cheap and consumer goods don’t cost too much.
New Zealand is an interesting one for developed anglophone countries in that it’s experiencing massive outward migration right now due to the economic situation.
If you can move over with a job offer you’re happy with it could be a good option. The NZD has crashed so low that money you bring over will go quite far in the country.
sonoodditiy@reddit
North island got better opportunities for civvies I think.
Honestly jobs situation is kinda tough but that'll change. You won't get paid as much as the states, but healthcare is good and fine tbh even though people complain about it.
People move here for the lifestyle, not the pay.
As a health professional, I think you'll have great opportunities.
South island has the best outdoors.
North island is more populated and has more culture.
I would apply then do a road trip here, when you get it.
If it doesn't work out? Screw it, go back to the states. At least you tried instead of ruminating about it.
Dont watch the news so much. Once you're on the ground you'll find a way. Everywhere is screwed according to the news. Canada, UK, Germany, Australia. If you listened to everything people said you wouldn't do anything.
Just do it
exsnakecharmer@reddit
I’m a Kiwi and there are major doctor shortages here at the moment. That means (for me in any case) 2-3 week wait for a 15 minute appointment. My friend waited 18 hours at our local hospital with a broken foot that needed surgery.
Just thinking of your son and his needs.
NZ isn’t in a great place at the moment, it’s going through ‘austerity’ under a right wing conservative government intent on cutting public services (in order to privatise them and sell them off to the highest bidder).
Not great vibes here right now.