Ukraine will not enter into direct negotiations with putin - Sybiha
Posted by Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 48 comments
Posted by Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit | anime_titties | View on Reddit | 48 comments
Da_reason_Macron_won@reddit
And Bibi wasn't going to make a ceasefire agreement, and yet here we are. It's not like they are the ones making those calls, if DC says jump they really can't do anything but ask how high.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
It sounds like they are anticipating a lack of US support. And Ukraine and the EU seem to think they would continue foghting without US aid.
https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/01/09/eu-ready-to-take-charge-in-ukraine-aid-as-us-stance-on-future-support-remains-unclear-under-trump/
I do hope this war ends soon though.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Without the American support Ukraine is cooked. Not only Europe doesn't have enough capacity, it won't have much political will to back up Ukraine if the US cop out.
Paltamachine@reddit
I would like your opinion on this too, if you don't mind: Doesn't a weakened EU benefit the economic interests of the USA? It would benefit many US industries and trump seems to be leaning towards this scenario.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Short answer: of course it does.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
This war is good for us, I personally hope Trump doesn’t cuck out. I think we can squeeze another 2-3 years out of it.
RemovedReddit@reddit
Trump is such a Putin fanboy that he’s hoping the CIA can steal some socks from the Kremlin for him to sniff
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Trump is unpredictable af, you can already see some softening in his stance. Up until now it's just been election year stuff, who knows what he will actually do.
RemovedReddit@reddit
He is consistent in simping for dictators
Icy-Cry340@reddit
It's not so simple, or he wouldn't be so rabidly anti-China and Iran. Nothing about trump really ever makes sense. He was the first potus to provide lethal aid to ukraine, for example. He could force Ukraine into negotiations, or double down on support, we just don't know until it happens. Certainly, Rubio's confirmation hearing couldn't have been pleasant for ua supporters. But Zele himself is fellating him hard atm, and that might actually work.
RemovedReddit@reddit
China and Iran haven’t stroked his ego enough. They just need to say he’s a good, smart boy and he’ll hand over whatever they want
Paltamachine@reddit
Let's agree that there is a strange relationship between Trump and Russia... could it be that there is a deal that benefits Russia and the US... if it was only about personal benefit, I don't think it would be accepted. The US president doesn't have that much power.
RemovedReddit@reddit
Hilarious. Trump only cares about his own personal benefit. Whether it’s dollars or some dictators stroking his mushroom ego, he doesn’t care about anyone but himself.
Paltamachine@reddit
If you are right that would be excellent news. Because it has an easy solution. Put him in jail.
But if he has a plan, it's a very sinister one. Because it involves cannibalizing Europe and giving Putin the bones of a continent .
RemovedReddit@reddit
Tried the jail thing. Didn’t stick
Paltamachine@reddit
I would not rule it out. Biden recently "sent his regards" to Mr. Trump..
fun stuff
Paltamachine@reddit
We can see it.
But does this not affect your alliance with Europe? Or does it not matter?
Icy-Cry340@reddit
Europeans are toeing the line better than they have in years.
Paltamachine@reddit
I think you need Europe much more than you think.
Improbable as it may seem at present, with China as a mediator between Russia and Europe, an alliance could be formed between these zones. Add Africa, of course.
That's gg
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
Maybe they will be brave enough to lower the conscription age so children can participate or be drafted too
Icy-Cry340@reddit
The demographics being what they are, drafting the 18-25 set is meaningless, there are less of them than there are 40 year olds in the country.
But Ukriane has plenty of men left. It doesn’t need an economy or an industry - there are plenty of men to draft, millions of them.
Leather-Paramedic-10@reddit (OP)
Send the rest of them, I guess. Who needs men, or people for that matter.
FRIENDLY_FBI_AGENT_@reddit
As the Americans say.... To the last Ukranian.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
https://i.imgur.com/Z4jCJDL.png
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Zelensky is lost in his propaganda. Just today he said that Ukraine has up to 900k troops while Russia is roughly 200k smaller.
How come it's Ukraine who is retreating and it's Ukraine who is in a constant shortage of menpower?
QuadraUltra@reddit
It’s refreshing to see Ukrainian that doesn’t speak propaganda.
Icy-Cry340@reddit
A chunk of the Ukrainain military is not on the front line, they are in the rear, on the border with Belarus, etc. But yes, there are clearly some things happening that Kiev doesn’t want to admit.
https://i.imgur.com/QqJvLHM.jpeg
My feeling is the losses are higher than they would like to admit and the people being mobilized get used as human speed bumps with a short shelf life.
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
Ukraine also has a problem with dissertations.
A lot of teenagers are growing up and see secondhand the short shelf life of trench warfare can be. Plenty of them will flee before reaching maturity.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Among the families I know most evacuated their young children to Europe already.
HolyKnightHun@reddit
The US decides the EU follows. That's how it works for better or worse.
Everything else is political posturing.
Paltamachine@reddit
Europe is not a dog of the USA, it is simply that they have made many efforts to align their interests with those of the USA..
I wonder what will happen the day these interests threaten the existence of the union. What will happen on the day that US interests require that the euro cease to exist?.
VintageGriffin@reddit
It doesn't matter because there will be no negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. The negotiations would be between Russia and the United States, for a new global security framework. Ukraine will just accept whatever the results of that negotiation would be, because they will simply have no other option. 80% of their state budget now consists of monetary donations from foreign countries and their entire existence depends on that continued support.
Only sovereign powers can participate in these kinds of negotiations. Subject and puppet states have no voices of their own, and their opinions don't matter since they're not theirs to begin with. This automatically excludes Ukraine and the vast majority of Europe; at least the bigger countries.
Also it's kind of cringe how Ukrainian media still sticks with this childish theme of not capitalizing the words Russia or Putin. How petty can one be.
Paltamachine@reddit
It's not petty. That's war, every effort counts. The first casualty in a war is the truth.
Ok-Code6623@reddit
You seem very butthurt. Are you perchance a duginist/eurasianist/RIM/novorossiyanist?
VintageGriffin@reddit
I don't know what a Mc.Donands does.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Let me explain it to you, gentlemen of /anime_titties.
When Ukraine states it won't enter into direct negotiations with Putin the key word is DIRECT.
The negotiations are already going on in regards to the safety of nuclear objects of the both countries. Negotiations on ceasefire will begin shortly according to my sources. We'll see the end of the hot phase of this conflict in 2025. Mark my words, gentlemen.
Unfortunately for Ukraine it may indeed be left out of direct negotiations with Putin because the general peace framework will be decided between Russia and the US.
Zelensky and his ministers are either playing a game for the domestic audience or delusional. They keep telling about NATO as a guarantee despite that practically all responsible leaders state that there won't be NATO for Ukraine in the foreseeable future.
sanity_rejecter@reddit
i'm curious, how likely do you think ukraine a) joins the EU, b) receives worthwhile security guarantees outside of NATO
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Answers to both questions are determined by when the war ends. And on what conditions.
A. Possibly. The key question - when? Also, in what state the EU will be in 5-10 years given the right-wing/EU sceptic parties surge. Does Ukraine need to be in the EU?
B. So far the main roadblock for Ukraine to receive security guarantees is... Ukraine. Zelensky signed already dozens of bilateral security agreements. Does it help him? Security guarantees can be only achieved if Ukraine is neutral. This a necessary condition.
sanity_rejecter@reddit
it would be highly preferable to ukraine
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
How exactly?
How will it be preferable to the other EU member states?
Paltamachine@reddit
The EU would be another point of tension with Russia.
But I suspect that even if they were allowed in, it would be more like a proxy for Russian products, every little attempt at military approach would be punished. If done in a controlled way, it would be a much needed influx of money and political clout.
However there is another impediment: the EU itself, Ukraine would enter to compete with the production of some countries in agricultural and other matters...
at a grossly lower cost than the other members. Therefore, its entry would be full of promises, but also of opposition.
Dizzy_Response1485@reddit
False. Security guarantees can only be achieved if there is a sufficient deterrent from russian aggression.
Jazzlike_Comfort6877@reddit
The hot phase won’t end in 2025, it can only pause, until Russia has enough weapons stockpiled to finish Ukraine off.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Let's discuss around December 2025. I see you're not an expert. I am.
Jazzlike_Comfort6877@reddit
Minsk1 2015 Minsk2 2016. Minsk3 2025?
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
More like Bern 2025 or Istanbul 2025.
Jazzlike_Comfort6877@reddit
Kyiv 2026 Yanukovych signs accession agreement with Russia
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