Say hello to PR57. The PR57 is a concealed carry pistol chambered in 5.7x28mm that utilizes a rotary barrel and stripper clips, instead of magazines to achieve a compact, ultra lightweight body, that still holds 20 rounds in the grip.

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DodgerLegendPV@reddit

So, where's the safety? This is begging for constant NDs unless I'm missing something

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xosxos@reddit

Don’t care what the haters say, I think this is kind of cool and if it’s not too expensive, I think it can find a place in the market.

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dimethyl_tryhard@reddit

I need this to have a threaded barrel. u/Mcarbo are you listening?

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Kuandtity@reddit

Wow a mag of ammo will cost more than the gun!

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PunkOverLord@reddit

Not anymore. I pay around $22 for a 50 pack of federal 5.7

Now defense ammo? Yes it’s like $70 lol

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Tossed_Away_1776@reddit

Same, that's insane and I need one now.

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austinsarmoury@reddit

So it will probably be the cheapest 5.7 pistol available until hipoint releases one

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dimethyl_tryhard@reddit

Needs a threaded barrel and then I'd buy it.

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TheFlyingM16@reddit

"Innovative". Steyr-Hahn model of 1912 has entered the chat

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tallen702@reddit

Nah mate, the Steyr-Hahn 1912 was hammer fired. This is a Roth-Krnka (Roth-Steyr) 1907 which was striker fired.

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Bill1923-@reddit

Nope, the PR57 has a concealed hammer and a long double-action-only trigger.

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thrwaway75132@reddit

This isn’t their first rodeo with fixed mag pistols. The Grendel .380 (which is like the grandfather of the KelTec P9) is an internal box mag.

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TheFlyingM16@reddit

That's interesting, I hadn't seen that one before, thank you. If they made the new one in 9mm or 380 I would probably buy one just cause It's wack.

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Dale_Wardark@reddit

Just don't press the funny button when you lock the slide back!

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wlogan0402@reddit

if this works out to not be unreliable garbage, i might get one for carry. i mean hell it weighs 8oz less than a p365. too bad it cant be suppressed

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oRAPIER@reddit

Any chance the locking lug at the front of the varrel is compatible with any suppressors??

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kceNdeRdaeRlleW@reddit

You are correct.

You may tame the muzzle blast, but the bullet is travelling at well past Mach 1.

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davedcne@reddit

Man say what you want about Keltec but at least they are still doing different shit on the regular. 20 round no mag hand gun saying fuck you to Taxachusetts pistol laws. God I love it.

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kceNdeRdaeRlleW@reddit

Oohhh...

I cringed when I saw the bullet hit the water behind the target!

I would hope a manufacture would exercise at least basic gun safety in their ads!

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kceNdeRdaeRlleW@reddit

Ever skip a rock across a lake? The stones bounce off the surface of the water because at the rivht speed and angle, the surface tension of the water makes the water as hard as cement.

Bullets will ricochet farther and with more force than that rock you skipped, and at an uncontrolled angle.

Neil Armstrong bounced the X-15 off the atmosphere during one of his flights, and he was hitting air! The Apollo astronauts had to account for atmospheric reentry angles, too-too shallow and they would have bounced off and shot back into space.

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Snider83@reddit

Cool. Practical for ban states, novel for everyone else

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Sirboomsalot_Y-Wing@reddit

It might have merits for everyone else. It’ll be one of the only pistols with this capacity at this size, and if it’s reliable (which removing the removable magazine should help with) then it might be competitive

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Gemmasterian@reddit

Nah still banned sadly

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GoblinVietnam@reddit

Say what you want about the crack addled engineers over at Kel Tec, but they truly put out some unique stuff other than the next ar15/glock clone.

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JimMarch@reddit

Have you seen the specs?

Under 14oz empty!!! 5.7 rounds are what, 70grains total at most? 20 of them are 1,400 grains, 7,000 grains to a pound so...less than a quarter pound of ammo? Well under 1lb fully loaded. Holy crap.

Less than .94" wide at the fattest point.

4.6" ROTATING barrel. (Rotating barrel guns like the Beretta PX4 and most Grand Powers are known for low recoil and low bore axis.)

Less than 5" tall with irons.

And they say they've got an optics mount setup for it.

Can't accidentally hit a mag release if it ain't got one. Only controls are trigger, slide release/lockback and the ability to rack it.

Ummm...guys? This fucking thing is maybe legit as hell. Seriously.

https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearm/pistols/pr57/

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Sirboomsalot_Y-Wing@reddit

IMO the thing that will make or break this will be the reliability

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JimMarch@reddit

Literally break it lol.

But yeah. No question.

One thing though - sometimes you get a bad magazine, right?

In this case, if the gun is good, no chance of getting a bad mag!

:)

From the reports I've seen, George did make this work in the Grendel P10. It shot just fine. Weird little thing...

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TargetOfPerpetuity@reddit

Pretty sure their very first 9mm handguns waaaay back in the day were like this -- no detachable magazines and fed with stripper clips.

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spidersgeorgVEVO@reddit

I really appreciate Kel-Tec because their r&d process seems entirely oriented around "would this be cool?" Considerations like "is this practical?" never cross their minds. Some of their stuff ends up pretty good. Some of it ends up really bad. But all of it is at least interesting.

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LiberalLamps@reddit

If they used better materials, I'd have a few Kel-Tec's. Probably the most innovative company in the industry, even if a lot of their designs are wacky.

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255001434@reddit

100%. I like their designs a lot, but I wish they would build them better. I get that it's to keep the cost down, but it makes them seem more like toys than serious weapons.

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Foremole_of_redwall@reddit

George Kellgren is my new lord and savior. Please line up here to join my Kel-Religion.

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PaperbackWriter66@reddit

"We'll call this new religion Special K."

"Sir, that's already a popular breakfast cereal."

"Do people worship it as a god?"

"Some do."

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TacTurtle@reddit

....of course, because Swedish K was already taken.

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Excelius@reddit

It's also the street name for Ketamine. Which may also have been involved in the design process.

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Deeschuck@reddit

Right? The slide-open shot at 01:26 suggests a rotating barrel that locks up at the muzzle and dual parallel recoil springs. Freaking sick.

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tex91@reddit

Getting away from magazines is the wrong direction. Unless this is specifically geared to arm Californians.

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TerryWhiteHomeOwner@reddit

Is it really, though?

When you take a step back and look at pistol development you realize just how much of what we accept as necessities now a'days were the result of military or law enforcement applications. Big bulky guns with high capacities and quick change mags.

But for civvies almost all of that stuff is completely redundant. We've seen a trend of civie firearms becoming smaller, lowering capacity, and losing controls/redundant features for the sake of weight and comfort because EDCs aren't meant for gun fighting they're meant for personal protection. The amount of real self defense situations that require reloading after 15 shots is absurdly small, 20 shots even smaller.

So to me Keltec saying "fuck it" and getting rid of a magazine to jam 21 shots into a slim, light, and cheap package seems like a sensible, if radical, approach.

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Snider83@reddit

It might be a weight reduction thing. Mainly for ban states i’d imagine though. Plus… kinda cool

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Gemmasterian@reddit

Doesn't help in basically any ban state lol we all are regulated on capacity not on detachableness

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SeriousGoofball@reddit

I don't think it's weight. It's size. With a magazine fed weapon, you have to have a place to put the magazine. With this design, you can eliminate the redundant material.

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Snider83@reddit

Makes sense. From quick googling, this is actually thinner than a 365, with otherwise similar dimensions to an XL. Neat gat

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cmanAC130@reddit

"Rule of threes, most gunfights have 3 shots or less fired!"

"Anyway, here's a handgun that holds 20 rounds."

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TerryWhiteHomeOwner@reddit

It's so you can get into 7 consecutive gunfights before reloading.

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emperor000@reddit

It's for gunfights against 6.66666666666666667 opponents.

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alexmikli@reddit

should have a 30 round capacity for 10 consecutive gunfights

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Begle1@reddit

I did get some dissonance there.

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Mi-Infidel@reddit

But was it cognitive?

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Begle1@reddit

Somewhere along the line.

Like an insurance salesman telling me I'll very most probably die in the next 15 years and then telling me how I should buy an annuity that breaks even in 30 years.

Odd stat to quote for a product that flaunts it. Unless it's an intentional flaunting, like "the average speed of a car on the road is 35 MPH, so we made this car go 160". But I didn't get that vibe from them.

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emperor000@reddit

Oh, shit.

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JimMarch@reddit

This...isn't crazy.

Most 5.7 pistols have huge grips. This should be the smallest 5.7 grip ever (that still holds ammo inside).

Is 20 rounds total enough for daily carry? No reloads?

Ummmm...yeah, for most folks. Lots of people pack a J-frame with no reloads, or a couple of speedloaders max. And 5.7 can throw down more hurt than 38+p.

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MrPBH@reddit

This is a very clever way to get around once intrinsic limitation of 5.7 handguns.

More companies should be like Keltec. You know, actually solving problems rather than giving us another 9 mm straight blowback PCC or whatever slop is quick and easy to push out--looking at you Ruger...

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Fun_Preparation_5263@reddit

Most companies are giving us marvel slop. Keltec is the David Lynch of gun manufacturers

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JimMarch@reddit

When you look at the specs it gets wilder. This thing is under an inch wide at the fattest point, under 5" tall with iron sights, 4.6" rotating barrel, under a pound fully loaded, optics capable (barely - has a proprietary plate system and I don't see how you could co-witness irons). Recoil should be pretty low despite the

For $399 list price?! If they can make enough of them, street price will drop to $350ish. (If they can't it'll hit $500-$600.)

Ummm...holy crap. Whatever George was smoking this time, I want some. Because IF IT WORKS this is incredible.

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sirbassist83@reddit

Awfully bold of them to call it "the perfect EDC for everyone"

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IamJewbaca@reddit

Make it full auto. THEN it will be the perfect EDC for all.

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GlassCityUrbex419@reddit

“It costs one paycheck to mag dump this weapon…”

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TacTurtle@reddit

This pistol will probably cost 4-5x boxes of 5.7

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Armedleftytx@reddit

I want to know where I can sell people 5.7 for that much money.

I would absolutely love to be the guy selling people 5.7 ammunition for $2 a round. I didn't even pay that much for ss198lf in the height of the pandemic.

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TacTurtle@reddit

MSRP on the P15 is $460 and they sell retail for about $280. MSRP on the PR57 is $399 so a similar MSRP:Retail ratio would put street prices at about $245-250... pretty close to 250 or so of the higher end 5.7 rounds at $.90-$1 a round

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IamJewbaca@reddit

5.7 isn’t even that expensive anymore. Can find some for just over $.50 / round

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PsychologicalHat1480@reddit

Oh no, it's still expensive. Everything else has just caught up.

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hobozombie@reddit

Jesus, that's the sad truth.

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IamJewbaca@reddit

Everything is expensive now a days. Ammo hasn’t really outpaced much of anything.

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shadowcat999@reddit

Exactly. If you can afford 5.56mm, you can afford 5.7mm..

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blacksideblue@reddit

Is that what you said about the original Mauser C96?

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-GearZen-@reddit

Gun grabbers - ban magazine fed guns.

Kel Tec - makes magazineless pistol with 20 rounds.

Grabbers - hey, not like that!

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-GearZen-@reddit

Also - does this get around 10 round mag capacity limits in commie states?

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TomCollins1111@reddit

Really depends on the text of your states ban. Here is the Maryland statute text.

“A person may not manufacture, sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer a detachable magazine that has a capacity of more than 10 rounds of ammunition for a firearm.”

So IANAL, but this seems like it would be kosher in MD. In NY and CA, your mileage may vary.

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Klicky1@reddit

How does this work, if you were to make a purchase in different state, are you not allowed to bring it to Maryland then?

Europoor

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TomCollins1111@reddit

You can’t transfer within the state, but there is no law against possession, so you CAN buy one in a neighboring state and take it home.

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Klicky1@reddit

You know… I am not even in US and these regulations that crap on 2nd amendment make me mad xD

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TomCollins1111@reddit

Yes. And here I thought justice delayed was justice denied.

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Frustrated_Consumer@reddit

Yep, totally legal in Maryland. That’s how people do it. Totally nonsensical, but the police enforce it.

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-GearZen-@reddit

You always need to peel the onion.

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AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit

No. It still has a magazine in excess of 10 rounds. Even if the magazine is not detachable.

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-GearZen-@reddit

From 1994 to 2004, the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act was in force. The federal law defined a “large-capacity ammunition-feeding device” as a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip or similar device that has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10 rounds of ammunition. It made any handguns with large-capacity magazines not lawfully possessed before the law’s enactment illegal.

By that definition this gun does not have an ammo feeding "device" as long as you load without the stripper clip.

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AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit

Yes it does. It has a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds.

Not all magazines are detachable. For example the M1 Garand has an 8 round magazine that holds En Bloc clips

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its-butter@reddit

The garand is 7+1 capacity. 8 round clip loads top round with 7 in the internal mag. That’s what the old timer at the range corrected me with when I said 8.

Internal mag greater than 10 makes it a no go in many banned states. At least in CT it does.

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AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit

IIRC you can hold down the rounds and close on an empty chamber with 8 in the magazine. No real reason to ever do that of course.

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its-butter@reddit

I’d have to check again to be sure. I could be unknowingly spreading fuddlore lol

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AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit

Either way the point is a fixed internal magazine is still a magazine. So these pistols would not be allowed in ban states.

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its-butter@reddit

Maybe Keltec will have a 10 round model. Seems stupid to have a fixed magazine but not have one available for all the states that have detachable mag feature bans.

Needs a threaded barrel option, though

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TargetOfPerpetuity@reddit

They're going back to their roots. Kel-Tec's very first pistols were fed with stripper clips and didn't have detachable magazines.

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255001434@reddit

Internal magazines are affected by mag bans.

For example, shotgun mag tubes are limited to 10 rounds in a ban state. The Kel-Tec KSG, which holds 7 rounds per tube was allowed for sale in CA because you have to manually switch from one tube to the next, so they consider it to be two separate magazines. If it had automatically switched between tubes, it would have been treated as one 14 round mag and they would have had to limit it somehow.

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-GearZen-@reddit

Imagine being murdered because the criminal didn't follow the law so you ran out of ammo first. It's just mind blowing.

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255001434@reddit

Yes, and we have seen videos where it took more than 10 rounds fired to stop an attack. There was one where a cop shot a guy with a knife multiple times and the guy didn't drop until the 11th round.

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antariusz@reddit

when California temporarily lifted their magazine restrictions, it was due to the judge agreeing that in at least a few specific instances, the good guy ran out of bullets before the bad guys did... (woman with a revolver locked in the bathroom while someone broke into her house was one of them)

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SmoothSlavperator@reddit

Most state mag limits are based on the '94 fed AWB. They included the word "detachable" so that it wouldn't catch things like tube fed pistol cal guns and tube fed 22s that are usually over 10rds.

I think its only NY that encompasses nondetachable mags.

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oddular@reddit

Vermont simply says “devices” in its capacity limits so this would fall under that statute.

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Self_Correcting_Code@reddit

No mag, no mag limit. Big brain meme.

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ocarina_vendor@reddit

IANAL, but I don't see how it could be held to a magazine limit without a magazine.

Then again, integrally suppressed firearms didn't get any easier to buy just because they built the suppressor into it, so who knows?

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AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit

Because it has a magazine. It's just not detachable.

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Icy_Ferret_7992@reddit

According to Kel-tec it does not have a magazine

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AlphaTangoFoxtrt@reddit

Ok, they're wrong.

It has an integral magazine.

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YoloSwaggins991@reddit

It has a magazine, it’s just not detachable.

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ocarina_vendor@reddit

Understood.

But, don't the anti-2A folks writing gun laws usually specify a detachable magazine when trying to limit capacity? I'm wondering if this gets around that, or if it will just prompt them to omit the word "detachable" in the future?

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ThePenultimateNinja@reddit

The word 'detachable' is usually used in the context of AWBs rather than magazine capacity bans. A detachable magazine is usually one of the features that defines whether a rifle is an 'assault weapon'.

That's probably where you're remembering it from, especially as both types of ban tend to be introduced simultaneously.

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ocarina_vendor@reddit

Thank you for clarifying. I appreciate it.

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bren97122@reddit

Definitely not in New York State. We have a hard limit of 10 rounds in a magazine, the only exception I believe is with fixed tubular magazine .22 caliber rifles.

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TacTurtle@reddit

I wonder if a spiral tubular mag like a Lebel would count in a 5.7....technically is a .22 caliber with tube mag..

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YoloSwaggins991@reddit

Usually not. Fixed mag semi autos in excess of 10 rounds are usually expressly banned in these AWB’s. The definition of “high capacity magazine” is sometimes a separate law depending on the state and may apply to just semi autos or across the board.

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Melkor7410@reddit

It would depend entirely on the wording of their laws. If they specifically say banning something that takes detachable magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds, probably gets around it. If it just says capable of accepting more than 10 rounds, then no. YMMV.

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Not2TopNotch@reddit

I believe there are a few that specify "ammunition feeding devices" because people were arguing belt fed isn't a magazine.

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usedkleenx@reddit

It stI'll has a magazine, it's just not a "detachable magazine. " it's probably considered a box magazine now.

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Ornery_Secretary_850@reddit

Not sure what stl'll is, but it will still have a magazine.

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SabotageFusion1@reddit

I didn’t think Kel Tec immediately, but I’m 100% certain they would make this thing now

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LegendActual@reddit

An internal magazine is still a magazine.

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JCMGamer@reddit

Still not NY legal tho

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XThreeFiveSeven@reddit

It’s barley legal to rear naked choke a bum why would they allow this

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k890@reddit

Something is NY legal?

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Rodeo9@reddit

Sweet if it is threaded and then you can use a 22 supressor.

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UllrRllr@reddit

Can’t believe I had to go this far down to find this. Would be a fun lightweight suppressor host if threaded.

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neruphuyt@reddit

Rotary locking barrel though so it would be really difficult to keep anything threaded onto the muzzle. Keltec usually threads everything but this isn't threaded and that's probably why.

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Galactic_Obama_@reddit

Keltec either needs to lay off the crack or do more of it. I'm not sure which.

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MunitionGuyMike@reddit

More of it honestly. They just remade the steyr Han in 5.7

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JimMarch@reddit

Go look up the smallest double-stack 380acp ever made. Grendel P10 - fed by stripper clips. Designed by George before he founded Keltec.

Have you seen the specs on this 5.7 abomination?

Under 14oz empty!!! 5.7 rounds are what, 70grains total at most? 20 of them are 1,400 grains, 7,000 grains to a pound so...less than a quarter pound of ammo? Well under 1lb fully loaded. Holy crap.

Less than .94" wide at the fattest point.

4.6" ROTATING barrel. (Rotating barrel guns like the Beretta PX4 and most Grand Powers are known for low recoil and low bore axis.)

Less than 5" tall with irons.

And they say they've got an optics mount setup for it.

Can't accidentally hit a mag release if it ain't got one. Only controls are trigger, slide release/lockback and the ability to rack it.

Ummm...guys? This fucking thing is maybe legit as hell. Seriously.

https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearm/pistols/pr57/

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Laughing_Man_Returns@reddit

"can't accidentally hit a mag release if it ain't got one" is not the flex you think it is. that kind of imbecile should not be handling anything more impactful than crayons.

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ThePretzul@reddit

More, their guns are completely beautiful little bizarre abominations

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3900Ent@reddit

Lmaooo

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RedditPoster05@reddit

They should quit sourcing their bolts/screws from Home Depot

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255001434@reddit

Yeah, they make some really cool and unique designs, but they skimp on the quality sometimes. I'd rather pay more and get better materials and finishes.

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TacTurtle@reddit

They also gave 400 Sub-2Ks ($200,000 worth) for free to the Ukraine military in 2022 which is pretty based.

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TaskForceD00mer@reddit

Depends if the gun feeds reliably and if it explodes after 100 rounds.

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t1m3kn1ght@reddit

Half and half. Some do more crack, some go cold turkey and then we end up with... A bullpup carbine with two magazines... One for 410 shotgun shells and the other for... I don't know 9mm? Sorry... I got into their stash.

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BryanP0824@reddit

Yes

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UberZouave@reddit

I say „more“. I’m not a fanboi but I love new ideas, or in this case, old ideas made new again!

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BluesFan43@reddit

It's a weird feeling, isn't it?

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DNCOrGoFuckYourself@reddit

Can they make a proprietary holster that seats up to 3 guns? I wanna be Blackbeard.

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PanzerFauzt@reddit

stripper clips? wtf is this 1915?

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Jombes_Industries@reddit

Oh boy that's cool as heck. I really hope it proves to be reliable, though at Keltec prices, I'll probably pick one up even if its not. Here's hoping for really short barrel a ultra subcompact, too.

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IMMRTLWRX@reddit

im a keltec apologist. p50, ksg, p17, etc. there's a lot of hype in this thread.

but that barrel length looks suspicious. genuinely suspicious. current production length 5.7 pistols have already pushed the limit for acceptable velocity in the lengths avaliable. 5.7 is useless without that, and im one of the biggest 5.7 fanboys there is.

all of this is before you even get into delay systems and effective burn time, which we've seen nothing about here or on other posts.

PSA recently released their "compact" rock 5.7 offering and there's a good reason the only thing compact was the grip. there's literally no more barrel to cut. this is the make or break that could actually turn it into expensive 22 mag, like naysayers love to parrot. 5.7 lives and dies by its velocity. the same way 5.56 does.

we'll see. ill be buying one out of silly principle. ill be carrying my m&p on magazine principle and thinness. and ill continue to recommend the rock 5.7 to most based on cost to performance. the 5.7 handgun meta would appear to remain the same with this. :/

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bmystry@reddit

Absolutely insane, I want one.

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P0RTERHAUS@reddit

Wish they'd make it in a real caliber like 9mm or .380.

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Provia100F@reddit (OP)

Your keltec privileges have been revoked

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P0RTERHAUS@reddit

GEORGE IM SORRY

LET ME BACK IN

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Provia100F@reddit (OP)

They will now release versions in 25 ACP and 9mm Maverick just to spite you

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BloodyRightToe@reddit

Well its great to see KelTec is still getting their required supply of cocaine. That's some crazy shit. Its niche and extremely odd, I want 2.

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ExistenceIsPain1@reddit

Thanks I hate it. When can I buy one?

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Kentuckywindage01@reddit

My gf calls me a gun snob because I usually go for more expensive items, but lately, Keltec has been giving me a large throbbing woody. This exacerbates it just a little bit more.

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PelicanFrostyNips@reddit

Many people shit on KelTec (granted some of their producs are ugly as sin) but I love that a company is not afraid to experiment and try new things.

I have both of their bullpups and I love them. Great ergonomics, accurate, good build quality, fantastic triggers, and I think they are great looking rifles (especially after I swapped the original RDB handguard with the Survival one)

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Impressive-Hold7812@reddit

RFB
RDB
KSG
KS7

waiting for them to do bullpup handguns

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PelicanFrostyNips@reddit

Like perhaps a Boberg XR-9 reimagined

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Impressive-Hold7812@reddit

Yeah, but double stacked

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Daniel_Day_Hubris@reddit

i think the RDB is the best looking bulpup there is.

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Sam-handwiches@reddit

Hear hear. Grabbed an RDB on the cheap from PSA. I almost like it more than my ARs. Super fun to shoot and only had one malfunction so far.

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PaperbackWriter66@reddit

Truly, the Lancia of the gun world.

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NOT_THE_BATF@reddit

I have a CP33 with a Farrowtech MP7 kit and a SiCo Sparrow on it and it's my favorite range toy. Mags are a little finnicky (just use mag loader). I have a AN/PEQ clone and some other bits on the way to go for maximum stupidity and am considering a Form 1.

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antariusz@reddit

was that the hawk-tua girl in that ad?

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killerz7770@reddit

Died 1937

Born 2025

Welcome back C9 Broomhandle

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Wyno222@reddit

And it comes in Black & Tan: https://www.2ndamendmentwholesale.com/kel-tec-pr57-tan-5-7x28-pistol-pr57tan

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Agammamon@reddit

Kel-Tec needs to update the stippling on their guns. The checkerboard pattern is ugly as hell.

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2MGR@reddit

lol, lmao even

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Buttpoon69@reddit

MSRP 399? Lmao I’m fuckin buying this. Tbh if it runs I think it’s incredibly practical even for us in states without mag bans

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EdM240B@reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/s/wwSWA3HZfy

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Impressive-Hold7812@reddit

I like how kel-tec likes stacking weird concepts on top of each other. I'd carry one as a backup, or for when additional magazines may not be viable (as in I don't want to carry mag carriers or have a lot of pockets in a given outfit). It was sooner rather than later that I'd expand to 5.7x28mm.

In particular, which restrictive states is this handgun designed to be a loophole for?

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harpnyarp@reddit

This is actually incredibly innovative - just last week I was speculating that there's room for development in the world of 5.7 concealed carry options, and keltec comes along and offers something genuinely revolutionary.

I'm very excited to see how this turns out - if this sector takes off, I could see 5.7 displacing rounds like 380 or 32 acp.

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hobozombie@reddit

That's fucking stupid.

I'm definitely buying one.

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MikeyG916@reddit

As with everything Keltec I own.

And I own most of them.

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TrilobiteTerror@reddit

Here's a closer look at it.

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TrilobiteTerror@reddit

Woah

You madmen, you did it (and I'm here for it)!

I was wondering who would be the first to create a more concealable 5.7 pistol (I should have figured it would be Keltec).

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Wyno222@reddit

This was surely not expected. I wonder if this designs prevents the magazine from feeling like you’re holding a deck of cards in your hand. I’ve only fiddled with a S&W 5.7 and the Ruger 5.7, but I couldn’t get past how awkward the grips felt in hand.

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Less-Jeweler-8422@reddit

What a piece of shit.

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I80roadman@reddit

Want to get rid of one of the most effective way to clear a malfunction? Dropping the mag and racking is a thing of the past!

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Arclabe@reddit

One point of failure is removed: improperly seated magwell.

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firearmresearch00@reddit

I wasn't expecting a new stripper clip loaded pistol in the year of our Lord 2025 lmao. They're about 120 years late with this one imo. I get they're going for the skinniest gun but at that point make the grip the mag like a welrod or something

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Gews@reddit

Cool as heck. And a full length barrel too.

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Hoovooloo42@reddit

I love everything about this tbh

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JoeHardway@reddit

Gimmicks like this are ingenious, but, laws are so easily amended to negate whatever loophole they're designed to exploit.

And, my 1st and LAST experience w/KelTec waza SU-16CA, that they kicked out tha door, sans EXTRACTOR. Not sure what they're doin NOW, but, CLEARLY, they did not test fire that gun, which is pretty UNFORGIVABLE!

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JoeHardway@reddit

Bahaha! 4 d-votes! "I never knew how totally UNNECESSARY extractors were, till I got'a KelTec!" 🤣

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thrwaway75132@reddit

In 2003 I had to sandpaper the chamber of my P9 to get it to extract. Hopefully they are better at quality now than then.

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Durin1987_12_30@reddit

Never change, Keltec. Never stop being weird.

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Foremole_of_redwall@reddit

KelTec told the world that guns should fold. And the world listened. Now they are making detachable magazines go away. What states will this be legal in that large capacity mags currently aren’t in?

What comes next you Wizards of Florida space magic? What innovations will you bring us poor undeserving souls? I wait with open wallet and baited breathe, oh wise and powerful KelTec social media intern.

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Begle1@reddit

This would be legal in Hawaii, which currently bans detachable magazines over ten rounds that can be used with a firearm with a barrel under 16 inches that is not an "assault pistol".

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UpstairsSurround3438@reddit

Goverment - No detachable magazines

Keltec - Hold my ~~beer~~ coke

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Beebjank@reddit

Such an interesting concept unfortunately made by Kel Tec.

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tbrand009@reddit

I feel like Keltec was sitting on this for a little while, just waiting for something like Colorado's new proposed law to come up.

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Driven2b@reddit

Interesting

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LiberalLamps@reddit

Never change Keltec, never change.

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WhiskeyOverIce@reddit

Welcome back, C96!

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TheSkyFlier@reddit

Does it have a bullet fountain button?

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Jumpy-Carbuyer@reddit

Does it look like it can eject rounds without racking the slide like a steyr m1912?

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TaskForceD00mer@reddit

I really wish Illinois had an exception for fixed mag pistols right now :-\

This just seems COOL.

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AncientPublic6329@reddit

So it’s a gun designed for the casual gun owner that’s completely unique to all other guns on the market? You would think the casual gun owner would want something popular to make accessories, spare parts, and assistance from others easier to find

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PsychologicalHat1480@reddit

The casual gun owner isn't modding or shooting so much it breaks from wear. They're less concerned about all that stuff than serious shooters are.

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AncientPublic6329@reddit

On a regular gun, yes, but this is a Kel Tec, so parts are going to break much easier

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dealin_despair@reddit

How many Kel-Tecs have you actually owned?

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Deeschuck@reddit

Nah, they want to buy it, shoot it a few times, and then not have to mess with it. Casual gun owners aren't the ones driving the burgeoning aftermarket parts industry.

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