Was the Dodge Viper a good car?
Posted by mildblueberry@reddit | askcarguys | View on Reddit | 152 comments
I remember idolizing this car heavily growing up in the early 2000’s. I perceived it as being super sporty and desirable from my time playing video games and seeing it in shows/movies, but I’ve literally never seen one in person to this day. Not on the streets, not at car shows, not on any car pages on social media, no where. Is that because the car is actually subpar, or is it just very very rare/niche?
I feel like Porsche, Mustangs, Corvette, Supra, BMW’s, Audis, etc are generally perceived to be more sporty than the Viper yet I’ve seen these cars a LOT more. Hell I’ve even stumbled upon Lamborghinis, Ferraris, McLarens, and the NSX in the wild more than a Dodge Viper
Smooth-Apartment-856@reddit
Asking if a Viper is a good car is kinda like asking if a clinically insane honey badger is a good pet.
It’s loud, powerful and fast, but completely unrefined, and kinda dangerous.
JoeFortitude@reddit
I know someone who died driving a Viper. Borrowed it without permission from the home he and his wife were taking care of, drove too fast over a hill, flipped it, lost his head
aquatone61@reddit
A similar thing happened at a dealership I used to work at. Some years before I worked there a couple porters took a Viper GTS that had been traded in out for a little spin. Neither of them lived. Spun it off the road into a telephone pole. It’s a shame 2 young guys had to die that way.
bygoneOne@reddit
Love this story.
Otiskuhn11@reddit
Well that is certainly one way to die.
Smooth-Apartment-856@reddit
There are worse ways to go…
bingold49@reddit
Like asking if a stripper would make a good wife
trailrun1980@reddit
BUT SHE LIKES ME
bingold49@reddit
I CAN FIX HER
trailrun1980@reddit
And after this many years I still want to pet it!
ChokaMoka1@reddit
Yup it’s like putting a V8 in a go kart.
I_Want_What_I_Want@reddit
v10
banannabutt454@reddit
So yes?
oneplussixisseven@reddit
FTFY.
baldieforprez@reddit
First degree burns because the exhaust ran right under the doors lol.
SeasonalBlackout@reddit
No traction control, no stability control - the original Viper didn't even have ABS or airbags!
Otiskuhn11@reddit
It didn’t even have a steering wheel that wouldn’t just fly off while driving it!
Zestyclose-Cap5267@reddit
Kind of dangerous. They had brakes of a dodge neon. (Not really but felt like it) the early models were death traps. I know someone who drove theirs through someone’s house.
Impressive-Pizza1876@reddit
Yeah , it’s pretty hard not to love.
ramanw150@reddit
So yes it's a wonderful car if you can actually drive it
xX_Diabolical_Xx@reddit
Jezza, is that you?
fenderstratsteve@reddit
You summed it up perfectly.
Amarathe_@reddit
I remembed top gear saying "its trying to kill you"
Muttonboat@reddit
cause it was!
it had very little to no driving assists.
Numerous_Teacher_392@reddit
How the hell did any of us drive before all this shit was put on cars so we don't need to know how to drive? I guess we'll never know. 🙄
mustangnick88@reddit
Much slower. Look at the 0-60 times of the 70's and 80's. Plenty of mini vans and family sedans. A 69 camaro with a small block 350 is slower than a new toyota Siena 0-60.
JiveXP@reddit
Don't think the average old car was pushing as much power as a viper
Numerous_Teacher_392@reddit
No.
But if you roce a 930, you just had to remember to floor it through turns in the mountains. If you got spooked and let up on the gas, you just died. That's how it was. 🤣
ischmoozeandsell@reddit
You didn't have 400 hp/460lb ft torque tied to an ultra lightweight car with wide and unforgiving tires and a relatively long wheelbase.
67valiant@reddit
Well, they did though. That power is easy out of a small block and basically standard on a big block. Old cars are generally lighter than new ones, a viper doesn't weigh any less than a 1st gen camaro or challenger. Then there's no driving assists, no power steering and 70s tyre technology to contend with.
Long wheelbase is gonna make things easier to handle.
ischmoozeandsell@reddit
I'm glad you brought up the long wheelbase. That combined with the fat tires inspired a sense of false confidence at low speed, and then it would suddenly snap unexpectedly.
Agitated_Eggplant757@reddit
I drove a 450hp 71 Camaro daily for years. No safety equipment except lap belts. The shoulder belts were optional. No ABS or traction control at all and I'm still alive.
ischmoozeandsell@reddit
First off, they didn't sell a 450hp Camaro in 71, so if you had that much, you modified it, and you modified it A LOT. If you modify cars to that extent, you know what you are getting into and appreciate the power. If someone is genuinely careful about driving a viper, they aren't going to drive off the road. It's a risk management thing.
Second, they measured HP by gross HP in 71 and changed to the current measure in 72. So, the Vipers 400hp was actually around the same as your Camaro.
The problem with the viper was that it was squirrely. Dodge designed it in such a way that once you lost traction, it was game over. It had a big kick of torque that came basically out of nowhere and sent you flying. Cars that looked similar on paper were not similar in practice due to a bunch of small nuances that, in practice, added up to a brutal car.
That_Trapper_guy@reddit
Survivorship bias. There's a lot of people who can't chime in because they didn't survive. Sounds like typical Boomer BS to me
Numerous_Teacher_392@reddit
Even the Viper didn't swap ends spontaneously if you let off the gas in a turn like the 930, which didn't have quite the horsepower, but was even lighter. 😁
Muttonboat@reddit
to be fair, the lack of driving aids on the 1st gen was an active design choice, not just a sign of the times.
Numerous_Teacher_392@reddit
That, too.
Sanpaku@reddit
It was easy. I learned on a car with 60 HP and 70-ish ft-lbs of torque. It couldn't chirp tires in 1st gear.
400 HP and 465 ft-lbs is too much for anyone who doesn't instinctively feather the throttle at the first sign of the tail sliding out. At least not without traction control. And the public roads aren't safe places to develop the instinct.
I think Vipers are wonderfully sexy, but I'm just not interested in a car I'd might only use to 15-20% of its potential. Its way more fun and less stress inducing to drive a slow car fast than to drive a fast car slow.
EC_CO@reddit
That was the first generation for sure. By the end of production it had a lot of safety and driveability improvements, much more manageable for a more 'average' driver. First gen though .... Raw unadulterated power with no assists, if you didn't know what you were doing (and even a few that did) you were in for a bad (and expensive) experience.
ramanw150@reddit
Don't threaten me with a good time
Flat-Jacket-9606@reddit
So it’s like a group b rally car?
Muttonboat@reddit
not really.
Viper was a car professional drivers could manage
Group B cars gave professional drivers legit PTSD to the point they had therapists on the racing team.
JCDU@reddit
I don't know if it was one of their reviews but I'm sure someone said "this car is so dangerous if you leave it parked somewhere, when you come back it will be facing the other way".
rdkil@reddit
And the regular car reviews video too. It's like 20 minutes of "this car wants to kill you. And you're going to love every god damned minute of it. Or else the car will kill you. "
jccaclimber@reddit
Checks out. Only been in one once. Went backward through a ditch (right seat) at 100+.
TR1771N@reddit
If you're talking about the Gen 1/2 Viper, it's one of the purest, exhilarating, raw driving experiences you can find. They are expensive to own, but supposedly more reliable than most other exotic cars.
russiancarguy@reddit
This was the car I’ve had on my poster since I came to the US in the early 90’s. My first email even included Viper in the address. So bear with me and my opinion. It depends on your definition of a good car. The Viper is more of an icon and showed on the world stage the epitome of ‘Murica. It was a modern Cobra with an aggressively sexy concept car design that had the performance to back it up. It had 400hp in a time of 100hp family sedans. Zero assists, ridiculous motor, all for the driver to tame. The gen 2 spent loads to engineer the chassis to handle and ride better and make the most of its power. The coupe dominated the 90’s whether on the street, track, drag strip, video games, sexy calendars, you name it. It straight up embarrassed many European cars and other American cars. Sure it was bare and felt like it was held together with screws and duct tape. But it did things even modern sports cars like a scat pack struggle to do even today. In 26 years only 32k Vipers were made. I would assume many were crashed, exported, modified beyond reasonable taste, or just locked away. Admittedly I have been big into cars and have owned quite a few sports cars, and I only got my Gen 2 99 RT/10 last year. Partly because I’ve never had a garage until a few years ago and finally finished it up for something nice. Until I got mine and met other Viper owners, I would be lucky to even see even one once a year. The reasons are multiple but what I’ve learned is:
-Parts are not easily found. If you crack a headlight, bumper, windshield, or hood, you have to find them used or locked away somewhere. One used headlight is $4k easy. A hood is $15k, so they’re easy cars to total. So every drive is now a risk on top of it being an old car, and an old 90’s dodge at that. I bought a bit of a project car for cheap with higher miles, and thus have had random oil leaks, etc.
-Every drive is an experience. You get the feeling everyone stares. Gas pumps never go without a quick chat. People will switch 3 lanes on the highway to get close to you to take a photo. Admittedly I have the hard top for mine but whether it’s on or off, it’s only a car I’d take where I know the roads and conditions are safe. Mine is also lowered so especially so, the front bumpers lip is 2.5” off the ground.
-Majority of Viper owners are collectors. I would guess 80% of the groups I’ve been in in the past year the Viper is among 3-4 other cars they own, admittedly I’ve have 3 myself, but with that many simply don’t enjoy it often. I’ve put 3k miles on mine last year and there are 20 year old ownerships there they’ve put 2k on it. Of course with that, the sub 15k mile examples bring premium money. That being by said, as much of an icon it is I’m still surprised that they have not skyrocketed like many JDM icons. Even the cleanest lowest mile gen 2 Viper with the most sought after combo, blue with white stripes. It’s at most a $120k car. With higher miles and another color you can find them for $55-70k. The RT10 are a good $20-30k cheaper than a same year same miles GTS coupe. The most modern gen 5, 2013-2017 are rising in price more and more because it’s an actual great car you can enjoy daily. But the pristine examples are fetching $400k+. A few years ago you could get a 2014 with say 30k miles for $70k. Now they’re $120k+.
Overall, I love mine and am blessed to have finally gotten my dream car. But I know my next car is 911, even if it’s a base C2. The Viper is raw and fun and like dating a supermodel that smokes. It sounds like a tractor with bucket seats and is uncomfortable and smelly. It just makes you feel like you have a 10’ shlong. But sometimes you just want to enjoy every aspect of the drive rain or shine and not have to be thankful every time you make it home safe.
Miffed_Pineapple@reddit
I drove the first Gen Viper. The throttle response was wierd. You got 1/4 of the power at 3/4 of pedal depression and ALL the rest in the tiny bit remaining. The rear suspension felt loose side to side as well.
Yep, a car trying to kill its unsuspecting driver.
I'm sure they fixed some of that in later versions
RandomGuyDroppingIn@reddit
So I might receive a lot of flak for what I'm about to post considering car culture at large, and I'll be honest I'm fine with that...
Something I always felt held the Viper back in regards to sales was the lack of an automatic transmission option. Vipers only came with manuals as it wasn't constructed with the ideal of an automatic transmission in mind, and because of it being manual-only it did somewhat move the car to a very niche market. Imagine you're a buyer in the upper age range, 50-65 years old and typically the buyers with the sort of income that could afford a car such as a Viper, and all of a sudden you find out it's a manual-only and your knees haven't been feeling so well lately... All of a sudden instead of a Viper that may have one or two allocations at your local Dodge dealer, you're going to go down to Chevrolet which probably has a dozen Corvette models on the lot with eleven of them carrying automatics.
If you wonder why cars like the Corvette, Mustang, etc, sold so well in the 1990s around the Viper's time frame, it's because automatics always accounted for the most cars produced. Both the C4 and C5 Corvette, for an example, only had a total production run of roughly \~22% give or take of cars being manual transmission for the full decade 1990-2000. By and large buyers have most always preferred an automatic transmission in the modern era, regardless of what the internet wants to tell you (I also only tell you this as someone who owns a manual transmission C5 Corvette, which took quite a while to find a "good" one).
Your other cars you mention - 911s (the 964 gen was the first 911s to be offered with automatics), again Mustangs and Corvettes, Supras, BMWs, Audis, NSX of both old and new gen - all can be had with automatics, and that's why their buyer's market remained so strong. Comparatively when you sold a manual transmission only car with an already high MSRP it tend to alienate prospective buyers into a very shallow line of individuals.
As to why Chrysler/Dodge never did consider an automatic Viper, they actually did at one point. Post Y2K they worked on a concept car called the Firepower! (the exclamation mark would have been part of the name). Chrysler wanted to use the Viper chassis and profile, with Chrysler design cues and slightly more up-scale interior, but also give it a Hemi V8 with an automatic. It would have been priced similarly to the Viper. Chrysler eventually didn't think it was feasible and it never went to production.
All this said, I live in a fairly rural part of America and I've probably seen a few dozen over the years. There used to be a Dodge dealer not far from me that always had at least one Viper in allocation at a time. I remember going in once just to be nosey and they had a yellow with black stripes ACR in inventory. Want to say that was 2001-02.
John_B_Clarke@reddit
Living with a Dodge Viper is like living with any other viper. It can be a great pet until it kills you.
Grandemestizo@reddit
Is Vegas a good town for ether? Depends on you.
Who_Dat_1guy@reddit
Owned one briefly... it's super great and super shitty at the same time. Only viper owner will understand what I mean.
Overall all the friends I made who also own viper decide to sell/trade it in for something for friendly/nicer.
AshlandPone@reddit
No.
It was raw, unbridled, simple and a blunt force weapon. It took no prisoners, did not apologize for the sounds that came out of its rear, and would absolutely steal your girlfriend (and mother, on leap years)
It was absolutely NOT a good car.
It was a GREAT one.
Little_Baby_6450@reddit
The 2008 was a huge leap over previous models. 2008+ is an excellent sports car.
Pre 2008, it was just an attention grabbing car with the mission to kill it's occupants.
McwompusCat@reddit
I owned one for about a year and a half. Scraped up enough savings and USAA gave me a loan to finally get my dream car, a 1996 Viper GTS, blue with white stripes.
It was an AWESOME car. The rears had 345 Toyo R1Rs which stuck to the road but weren't the best in rain. It would cruise in 6th gear at 70mph and still average 21mpg on long trips. I drove mine from Illinois where I bought it down to middle Georgia, then drive it to Texas and back to show it off to my dad.
Above 100mph, you could feel the car squat down and lean forward, really neat feeling. Fastest I ever took it up to was 165mph on a loooong stretch of road in Texas.
Mine had aftermarket long tube headers and some mild head work, a slightly lopier cam, and no mufflers so she made some noise. Just idling in traffic would shake the car. It was a head turner.
The cons of the Viper were a couple things:
Any parts you wanted to buy from an online shop were always expensive, even though you could source same part numbers from cheaper alternatives. For instance, the T56 skip shift eliminator kit from the Viper store was like $120. I got the same kit, that does the same thing, off ebay for a Camaro T6060. Only paid like $18.99.
Part of the Vipers factory setup is the 2-3 gear skip. Basically, a solenoid would force you to go from 1st gear straight to 4th depending on your throttle percentage and speed. Didn't really kick in if you were on the gas, but every now and then would kick in during really inconvenient times.
The second gen Vipers had a strange seating arrangement. There is no "dead pedal" to rest your foot. The clutch pedal is quite literally next to the wall in the footwear, so while your driving, you will sit ever so slightly pointing to the left. After awhile, you get used to it.
So the gas, brake, and clutch pedal hang from an all aluminum bracket that's commonly referred to as the bird cage. The bolts that hold up the swing arm deal linkage sometimes elongates, and mine got to the point where the clutch pedal "fell off" and just sat on the floor. Easy enough fix with some steel inserts.
It's not in an easy to get to location as it sits in its own cubby behind the driver side rear tire. Kind of a bitch and a half to get to, but eh.. racecar. There is a jump post under the hood you use in case you have to jump start it, which is convenient.
Kinda weird to be complaining about a good system but it does have a drawback. If you lose the key fob and locked the doors, you can still get into the car via crawling through the hatch and unlocking from the inside, but you won't be able to go anywhere. The car will start, run for a second, then die. Repeatedly. Now, there is a way to bypass this anti theft system that I learned, and got very good at after the key fob kept dying on me.. but I won't divulge that info on here.
You'd think you would get looks from the ladies, and while yes, you get a few winks tossed your way, you get roughly 6 times more attention from dudes. I mean it's cool, but I really don't wanna hear how your close friends neighbors mailman had the V12 version. They didn't come with V12s. Ever. And cool, you have a Corvette only 16 made with red stitching in the seats, factory chrome door handles, and dealer installed pin stripes but, brother, it ain't a Viper. Take your New Balance shirt tucked ass back to Golden Corral.
Aside from those, the Viper is a car you should drive or at the very least just ride in once in your life. I get that yes it's a V10 that only made 450hp and the new cars make 200hp new. Cool, but everybody has one. I can go to my local Walmart and find 16 Coyotes there. The Viper is special. It's visceral and raw. No traction control, no stability management, just you the car and that sweet open road.
hickoryvine@reddit
Want a car that gets the ladies.. my 32 horse power 1972 fiat 500 in yellow 😂 girls go crazy over it lol too much for me
mildblueberry@reddit (OP)
Amazing response thank you. Love to learn about the quirks of specific cars. Some of the stuff you wrote I would have never guessed lol
So how’d the ownership end? Sold it? Crashed it? All good things must come to an end, eh?
McwompusCat@reddit
It's alive and well somewhere in Alabama. Sold it to a retired Army major who I'm still in contact with. He sold it to a buddy of his who as I'm told, rebuilt the motor with a bigger cam, had more work done to it, and made somewhere around 650hp naturally aspirated.
For me, life happened. Wife and I got pregnant, and we needed to shift money to a family car. I'll eventually get another Viper someday, but I have too many projects and not enough room as it is now
Auxillis@reddit
Roll Tide.
McwompusCat@reddit
Go hawgs, err.. dawgs. Whatever the hell it is
Auxillis@reddit
Sports ball. Hell yeah.
VertDaTurt@reddit
Go sports! Go Team!
neuromorph@reddit
Viper also had a TV show.....
Jefffahfffah@reddit
It's posts like this that make me want to experience one someday
burnt-wookie@reddit
Not sure if they are good but they are definitely rare. I get more excited to see a viper on the road than a Ferrari/ lambo
Longjumping-Wish2432@reddit
If you dont hit a fire hydrant, i was in flight school and (2008) the guy i flew with alsoa student just older and very wealthy , he bought a vrand New viper had 150 miles and wrapped it around a Fire Hydrant in front of the school . Nkt long later he wrecked a piper warrior idiot all round David S if you read this you drive as well as you fly!
baldieforprez@reddit
It was the 90s equivalent to the hellcat.
BonerballsDickfart@reddit
The looks do not disappoint. The burnouts do not disappoint. Everything else? Pretty disappointing.
Routine-Wind-4134@reddit
It's loud, uncomfortable, hot, fit & finish is horrible, and liable to kill you if you look at it wrong. It's a fantastic car.
coffeislife67@reddit
I knew 2 guys that each bought a viper when they first came out. They were mean sounding and decently fast for the day.
But one wrecked his after about a week and the other didn't make it past the first day before he totaled it.
bluereptile@reddit
I read “when they first came out” and was prepared for a punchline that never came lol.
I love the viper.
Squido85@reddit
Describing the Dodge Viper as 'sporty' is like describing the Sun as 'shiny'. It's not inaccurate but it totally misses the point.
Both are big powerful things that will kill you if you fail to treat interactions with them respectfully. One is just a whole lot quicker about the killing part.
PositiveMiserable84@reddit
I see them all the time. They are fricking awesome and you can rent a few on Turo in my city.
SwizzGod@reddit
You see vipers all the time? Where?
PositiveMiserable84@reddit
Arizona.
SwizzGod@reddit
I’m not so sure about that. I live in California and haven’t seen a viper in years. I wonder why you see so many. Wonder if anyone else sees a lot where they are
neuromorph@reddit
Rhe McDonald's auto meet is weekly. It's one of the best things of Arizona, the car culture.
PositiveMiserable84@reddit
I do see them out and about all the time. It's not a rare car even if you don't see them.
SwizzGod@reddit
I seriously doubt that. Ive lived all over the country and I’ve never seen an abundance of vipers.
PositiveMiserable84@reddit
Well, Autotrader has 29 within 50 miles of me for sale. You can ignore facts and evidence and go off your emotions and anecdotes, I don't care.
SwizzGod@reddit
I’m not saying people don’t have them. I just don’t think they drive them that often
fredout1968@reddit
I live on the East Coast in a state with bad weather but I see quite a few during the summer.
PositiveMiserable84@reddit
You're just talking out of your ass.
mariolayspipe@reddit
I had a 2006 Coupe for a little over a year and I loved it. It was a car I had always talked about getting so when I got one my friends and coworkers had the best response. They all said “finally!”
I’m a fat dude and I actually found it really comfortable. Getting in and out was easy.
Boy oh boy did it get attention, from everyone. Neighbors that I have lived next to for 7 years and never talked to came over when I brought it home. It was like a unicorn that no one ever sees in real life. And to be honest, even to this day the only other Vipers I have seen around here were the other local dudes with Vipers when we would all plan to goto a car show. I have seen more Bugattis around here than Vipers.
I also let anyone I knew drive it if they wanted. I figured most car people had dreams of a Viper at one point and I had an opportunity to give people a memory of a lifetime.
Usually they say don’t meet your hero because you will probably be disappointed, but the Viper was everything I dreamed it would be and more. I will own one again one day.
Unfortunately for me, life sometimes pelts you in the face with lemons. I had to sell it due to my work situation becoming questionable after 12 years of being there. Oh well though, I can still look back on it saying I got my dream car and it was as great as I hoped it would be.
MaximumDerpification@reddit
The first generation was extremely rough around the edges, it was almost like a kit car with a huge engine. It was still pretty badass though
The 2nd generation improved on everything without messing with the formula.
The 3rd and 4th generations were incredible track weapons but IMO they lost some of the charm of the 1st/2nd gens. They were sort of worse because they were so much better, which doesn't make sense but... you know. They were still awesome cars though, and the ACRs stomped pretty much everything on the track.
Tldr; yeah they're good
One-East8460@reddit
This post brought me back. It was a fun car to drive and remember the experience but my first thought about viper was times I burned my legs on door sills lol.
Barrrrrrnd@reddit
Those ACR Vipers were quite a thing to behold.
KMFDM781@reddit
The last Gen ACRs still run insane half mile times. There are a few 2000+ hp Vipers out there.
jccaclimber@reddit
You might not loose skin, but the mile wide rocker panel definitely still got to an unpleasant temperature in the 2nd gens.
Liv4thmusic@reddit
Great car but unfriendly, too loud, hot inside, and is trying to kill you.
Fearless_Resolve_738@reddit
Car & Diver would joke that it’s a good car so long as you don’t need to navigate corners
Much-Degree1485@reddit
I seen one In real life driven by an older man maybe in his 50's..he looked hesitant to accelerate.
It kinda looked misproportioned from the games..looks way better in games
Badenguy@reddit
Too much power, not enough brakes, too much weight in the front. It took everything we learned about performance and ignored all of it, so a ton of them ended up wrecked, there was a time when YouTube was full of viper wreck videos. On the track they out ran everything on the straights and lost on every corner
EffectiveRelief9904@reddit
Hell yeah, it was a fantastic car. It could compete with the Ferraris and other supercars of its time for far less money. It was geared towards performance, so the interior had minimal comfort features, it had no traction control, no launch assist, no nothing. So you had to be a good driver to really push the car close to its limits
CoyoteChrome@reddit
Driving a Viper is like an exercise in medieval torture endurance. The first through third gen’s would force your legs to twist to the left around the transmission hump while your back was flat against the bolstered seat causing decades of back problems for the boomers who could afford them. It would light its self on fire with the side exit exhaust that would get so hot you could fry an egg on the sill. Its tires were so large they had to be custom ordered from the dealership for almost a thousand dollars a tire in 1990s money. And a small fender bender for any other car was a catastrophic destruction to the massive clamshell hood that cost tens of thousands of dollars to replace because it was made of carbon fiber. The first model years when they made them in targa top and roadster versions only also had no door locks.
You don’t casually take the viper out for a spin For some spirited driving. You slap that gorillas ass and hope your grip on its fur is tight enough that you don’t break something important or expensive before it calms down. It is a track weapon, it is a machine of gross excess in raw, unsophisticated power. It was the standard bearer, the first salvo in the modern era horsepower wars.
JCDU@reddit
Go watch SuperfastMatt's videos on Dodge Viper ownership, the dude sums it up perfectly... and then buys another one and turns it into an off-roader.
Temporary_Slide_3477@reddit
Good is subjective in this case, it was basically as raw as you could get for a muscle car of the era and dangerous if that's your idea of good. They called it the "Widow Maker" for a reason, didn't take much driver error to end up severely injured.
lol_camis@reddit
They didn't sell many. The obvious direct competitor to the viper is the Corvette. Which may not have had quite as much power, but it was nearly half the price, and generally regarded as a much better driving experience.
Ices_Blaze@reddit
There are quite a few replies, but none of them capture the essence of the viper. The viper wasn't more powerful than others... Plenty of cars before it could beat it on the dyno. The viper wasn't especially great at handling, plenty of cars could beat it around the track. The viper wasn't even practical, it was a chore to own and drive.
What made the viper special was that it was halfway decent at all of these things at the same time in an era where powerful cars basically didn't exist due to emissions standards. No other car did that in the 90's to the same degree. On top of that it was cheaper than the f1.
keithcody@reddit
Superfast hates on his a lot. And his current one is his second one I’m pretty sure.
blunttrauma99@reddit
I had the opportunity to drive a first generation Viper a while back, Pretty quick, made a great noise, but the thing I remember most was that it is was uncomfortable.
bozemanmetalfab@reddit
It broke my heart when a blue 2md Gen Hennessey Venom 650R drove by and sounded like a Hoover Vacuum. It was my dream car before that moment.
They're TERRIBLE cars
Muttonboat@reddit
Fun fact - the person who designed the viper also designed the nb Miata.
karajade19@reddit
People like it. My girlfriend loves them. I would take a Corvette C4 ZR1 over a gen 1 Viper every time. The Viper does look cool, I’ll give it that. But “no driver aids” is literally nothing. No ABS, no traction control. It’s a barely street legal monster.
Effective-Evening651@reddit
Viper is a great car. Thing is, especially the early ones, required you to be a great DRIVER to use it properly. The platform was not built to coddle the driver. No concessions were made for luxury. it was a big kid go-kart that made throaty baritone V10 noises.
I do not venture out of the GM family very often, but if i found a first-gen viper at a price i could afford, in BLUE, i'd buy it in a hearrtbeat. (The Blue viper from the Need For Speed-SE demo in the mid 90s was my first videogaming addiction.)
ajm91730@reddit
No. Which is why it's great.
Top-Reference-1938@reddit
The 1st Gen (1991-2002) was fun, but not great. Manual windows, cloth top, no ABS, and lots of other stuff we take for granted these days. The 2nd Gen was a great car (as were all the later ones). Like a modern car. Not quite a daily driver, but close!
DubTeeF@reddit
Very first one had no windows and no door handles. And no roof
Top-Reference-1938@reddit
What a car!!
Tangboy50000@reddit
The only thing more likely to get wrapped around a tree was the truck version. Their value has increased tremendously because so many were totaled. I know quite a few that were traded back or sold almost immediately because they were scary to drive.
Druidicflow@reddit
Wait. Truck version?
PerformanceDouble924@reddit
The Dodge Ram SRT-10 pickup.
Druidicflow@reddit
Oh! And here I was thinking that there was some ute version that I didn’t know about.
NissanZtt@reddit
I drove one and didn’t like anything about it. Zip up windows lol.
fredout1968@reddit
I drove a GTS back in the day it was a friend's car. I buried the pedal in second at about 20 mph, and the rear axle decided it wanted to pass the front axle, NOW! I caught it, but it took a lot of road to do it. I turned around immediately and happily handed him back the keys.
fredout1968@reddit
Oh, and it tramlined like crazy! Following every imperfection in the road..
Numerous_Teacher_392@reddit
Relatively affordable at the time.
Runs like a raped ape.
Easier to drive than a 1973 Porsche 917/30. 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, it's not as fast as the iconic 2.1 secomd Porsche, but the Viper can be registered for the street.
walkawaysux@reddit
Dodge didn’t want traction control or any driving assist features in it just a massive V10 engine with rear wheel drive and a lot of these cars got wrecked because it required a skilled driver to control it. Extremely fast car with a unique exhaust note
LostTurd@reddit
They look cool and when I was a kid really wanted one but as I am older now realize they have Dodge in their name so would not touch one with a 10 foot pole.
WoodenWeather5931@reddit
Fuckin badass car man. Especially the first generation. Just raw power and big rubber on the ground.
les1968@reddit
I’ve only driven a 1st gen It was like a rocket powered I beam Terrifying power with handling akin to a V8 Monza
SteinBizzle@reddit
I put ~30k miles on my ‘03 SRT10 before I sold it (bought it new in ‘04). It was scary fast. Not because it was the fastest (it wasn’t) but because it was way too easy to lose your shit quick. It had instant rock-star status wherever you went.
I modded it (headers, no cats, no muffler, CAI & a tune) and it was fast but it also chewed through motor mounts and snapped a few head bolts on startups due to the high torque. Shit got expensive when each repair was between $2k to $5k.
It was a little quirky in that the steering wheel was not centered to the drivers seat, it was offset about an inch and a half to the right.
Funniest race I had was running down an R6 at 160mph while drinking a cup of coffee with the top down. Bro was all tucked while I blew by with a wave.
Fastest I had it to was 192, fastest 1-mile run from stop to the one mile marker was 171 both with the top up.
Rear tires would last about 4-5k miles and were ~$500 each (Michelin Pilot Sport 345’s). Oil changes were $250. When I had mine fully modded I was averaging 7 mpg city and 14 highway (in 6th @ 65mph).
Decent_Can_4639@reddit
Driven a few first-gen. Craftsmanship and interior of questionable quality. Generally Uncomfortable. Lot’s of power, will try to kill you If you are not paying attention. Super fun track-car. Absolutely not a daily driver.
PossibleMechanic89@reddit
So basically an American TVR?
Decent_Can_4639@reddit
That’s actually a great description :-)
Intelligent-North957@reddit
Had a nice V10 engine in it .
thethirdbob2@reddit
I would not call them “Sporty” they are big, heavy beast. Brutal, uncivilized and very capable.
Hersbird@reddit
The heaviest Viper was 3400 pounds, most were more like 3200 pounds. A 2025 Mustang GT is 500 pounds heavier. Most 911s are similar, It's no Miata but it's not heavy.
thethirdbob2@reddit
Thanks for the information.
Perspective means a lot. I remember watching them at the autocross on the same day I saw Honda CRX’s an Miatas. In context they were big and brutal.
Everything is bigger and heavier these days 😔
Senior_Ad282@reddit
They are surprisingly small in person
Beanmachine314@reddit
And weigh approximately the same as a similar year Corvette. Not big or heavy.
IntheOlympicMTs@reddit
It excels at looking good and that’s arguably the most important thing.
alfienoakes@reddit
And at the end of the day you still own a Dodge.
hourGUESS@reddit
Snap understeer.
HungRy_Hungarian11@reddit
much rarer than mass produced mustangs etc
legendary on the track
but not super comfortable as a daily
AdditionalAd9794@reddit
I still want a C6 Z06, because that engine note in the Ls7 is legend
HungRy_Hungarian11@reddit
yuppp 0-60 3.5 seconds stock, still rivals modern higher trim muscle cars
dugzillaxb@reddit
A guy that used to deliver to my store when I worked in grocery had one. He brought it by on his day off on time. I squeezed myself into it totally uncomfortable. I’m 6’2” and 300 pounds so not the typical driver anyway. But he was like 5 feet tall and fit in it just fine. crazy amount of power. And really easy to break loose so if you didn’t know what you’re doing you’re gonna wreck that thing real quick.
Famous-Salary-1847@reddit
From everything I’ve seen, the first gen was cobbled together from the Chrysler parts bin and was terrible in every way except that it was fast and an absolute riot to drive. The second gen was better, but still a handful and very unrefined. It got some styling updates as well. The third gen(2013-2017) one is where I’d say it was a legit supercar competitor. They included stability control, ABS, multi mode traction control, and the ACR viper with the optional aero body kit set a production car lap record at Laguna Seca, and came pretty close to getting one at the Nurburgring, setting some very impressive lap times before the driver stuffed it.
Particular-Map5419@reddit
I got to drive one when I worked with cars. I burned my leg a little since the exhaust runs down the side when you open the doors. It is a very low car.
riderxc@reddit
The development was on a limited budget. They wanted to build a simple Shelby Cobra type of car out of Dodge parts. They had the engine but it was iron. So they asked Lamborghini, who they owned to machine it from Aluminum. They wanted DOHC but couldn’t afford the heads. Lots of Dodge parts bin stuff in the Viper. It was very affordable for the performance. Priced the same as a mid trim Corvette.
So it was all performance for price and nothing more. Which I’d say achieved their original Shelby Cobra target
obxhead@reddit
The fact that we don’t see them today is somewhat of a confirmation on how dangerous they were. They didn’t make it in the evolutionary process of the car market.
rothordwarf@reddit
Vipers are hard to find i. The wild because they have a reputation.
Vipers are known to be monsters to control. It's a racecar, pure and true.
Vipers will kill you. 600hp, and no computers to regulate the power.
joncaseydraws@reddit
Saw an amazing one recently at an auto museum. No roof, no a/c, no window movement, exhaust can give you third degree burns exiting the car. It’s gloriously raw and insanely light and powerful. I’d love to drive one once a month.
AdditionalAd9794@reddit
The first ones were death traps. After that though, I'd say they were in the Z06 realm in terms of performance, some interations maybe being slightly above
Dooski-Bumbs@reddit
Those are purest cars, they serve a specific niche and they do great in that niche. They’re also gorgeous cars in person. Way more eye catching than any corvette or pony cars
Sleekgiant@reddit
I think they were dogshit, but everything Diamler Chrysler made was a hot turd
Inferno792_@reddit
Good would be very subjective. Unique and super niche just sums it up.
rudbri93@reddit
super niche, especially the first ones. not super comfortable, known for being a handful to drive.
mildblueberry@reddit (OP)
It looks so cool though 😭
rudbri93@reddit
great 2nd or 3rd cars or track rats.
NashCop@reddit
From what I heard, they were dangerous.