Why does M&S have such a good reputation?
Posted by lifeofrileee@reddit | AskUK | View on Reddit | 483 comments
Older generations really seem to think M&S is the height of all things fancy. I think the quality is better than average but it does seem to enjoy a level of prestige that few other brands get.
Is this warranted or was the quality noticeably better than other retailers in the past?
Informal-Method-5401@reddit
As a former supplier of M&S, I can give you some insight. They are second to none in quality for a supermarket branded item. They don’t skimp on costs like the other supermarkets. They treat their suppliers with respect and in turn that means the manufacturers put the best stuff on their shelves. Yes, they love fancy packaging and some of their stuff is certainly style over substance but the majority of their products especially food are worth the money
AssignmentClause@reddit
Is my understanding correct that M&S, Sainsburys and Tesco all source from the same places, with the quality of product they receive being in that order? For example, all three shops have their own branded outdoor bred streaky bacon, but M&S will be the pick of the bunch, then Sains slightly less quality and then Tesco will have the worst quality.
I’ve noticed this a lot. One store will bring out a product and then the other two will follow, with the same quality scale applying.
Informal-Method-5401@reddit
It’s not a yes or answer to that. Do they source from the same manufacturers for products, yes, is that the same for every product, no. The old saying ‘it’s all made in the same factory just with more water’, it’s not really true. Lots of R&D goes into making products that will sell to a certain supermarkets demographic.
Every supermarket has a team of buyers for each category, they go out and engage suppliers to find the best product at the best price. In my experience, M&S are less price conscious, they will have a selling price in mind and if they can’t get to that easily they’ll either raise the price or lower their margins for the right product. Where as Tesco and Sainsbury’s for example will beat the supplier down until they are making far less money. For that reason M&S are far more preferable to work with, they engage and look after their suppliers.
SecretSquirrelSpot@reddit
Were they a good employer?
Speedy_Dragon46@reddit
My brother worked for them out of school. They trained him up, looked after him and when he said he was leaving to join the police force worked with him to find shifts so he could support himself during training. He loved working for them and they treated him really well. A company that sees the person and not a number for sure.
SecretSquirrelSpot@reddit
So far then all I’ve heard is good things thanks
ChillWillIll@reddit
Not OP but worked for them for several years.
Yes, loved it and would go back
SecretSquirrelSpot@reddit
Did they have any employee perks that stand out above other employers?
I’m looking for somewhere that doesn’t treat you like a number on a payroll spreadsheet.
ChillWillIll@reddit
99% of employers will treat you as a number on a spreadsheet. Retail is tough and there are often restructures that lead to redundancies.
That being said...
Brilliant pension scheme (doubled any contribution up to 6% - so you put in 6% or above and they put in 12)
20% employee discount
Sharebuy scheme
Other retailer discounts (similar to cashback sites etc)
There were probably others too, I can't remember as it's been some years. Would certainly recommend them as an employer though.
Informal-Method-5401@reddit
I didn’t work for them, I was a director of a supplier but everyone I met loved working therr
JimmyJonJackson420@reddit
Yeah when people write posts like this I just think have they even bought food there regularly
PapiSpanky@reddit
Is this not the case for Waitrose also?
Informal-Method-5401@reddit
I didn’t work with them but from the dealings I had with buyers, they came across very similar
AndyVale@reddit
I had a friend who used to work in head office at Waitrose and made similar points about the quality.
He used to get annoyed when people would say XYZ was cheaper at Aldi/Lidl because "they cut corners that we don't. If they have the same standards of animal welfare, quality of ingredients, freshness, sustainability, and paying the suppliers fairly... Great, they win! But they don't, so it's apples to oranges. If someone doesn't care about any of that then they're welcome to shop at Lidl and save a few quid, but if someone does care then we can offer that... And yeah, it will cost more."
He also knew a guy who joined their product team because "I couldn't, in good conscience, add any more water to the Sainsbury's/Tesco past sauce and charge the same amount for it".
LondonWelsh@reddit
I read an article (think The Economist) about British supermarket supply chains, and the fair trade movement with African suppliers. It was overwhelmingly the case that M&S was the purchaser most of the overseas suppliers dreamed of managing to snag in the UK. They paid better than anyone else, worked regularly with them to keep up quality, and were timely payers.
SubsequentBadger@reddit
There was a long winded article about Shein on the BBC but the critical point at the bottom was one of the suppliers saying words to the effect of if the invoice is due on the 15th they pay on the 15th, doesn't matter how much, the invoice is paid in full and on time.
AcceptableProgress37@reddit
They are relentless about quality IME, to a level that other supermarkets are not.
Ok-Case9095@reddit
Men's clothing from M &S is just such safe hands man.
Boldboy72@reddit
they used to sell a beautiful Meatloaf that I practically lived on. Whack in the oven for 30 minutes and it was divine... I moved house and there was no M&S nearby so got used to not having it but when I moved to another location near an M&S, they'd stopped selling it... so sad.
thebeardofbeards@reddit
You know its good when the plastic film just peels off majestically.
RUFiO006@reddit
I’d argue M&S is high quality with everything except their packaging. Try opening a bag of Percy Pigs without the side tearing wide open. Same for any plastic bag on any of their products.
absolutelysureithink@reddit
Open them as if the side is the top - pull from a package top corner and open up the side of the bag. Perfect opening and can get a whole fist full to gobble gobble too!
sock_cooker@reddit
I mean Percy Pigs are actually made with real pigs, you can't fault that for attention to detail
WhaleMeatFantasy@reddit
Not any more. I stopped buying them when they took out the gelatine. The texture’s all wrong.
invincible-zebra@reddit
Nah it’s better.
fizzyrhubarb@reddit
They’ve done something different in the last year or so and the texture is better again now. I’d stopped eating them for a long time but I’ve gone back now.
pixie_sprout@reddit
How do you know if you stopped eating them?
WhaleMeatFantasy@reddit
Interesting. I’ll give them one more chance!
fizzyrhubarb@reddit
I started back with (I think) the party Percy’s. They were psychedelic colours and only had the opaque jelly. Once I knew they were a normal texture I went back to normal Percy and found they were fine too. I hope they don’t disappoint!
WhaleMeatFantasy@reddit
Let me know where to send my invoice if they don’t cut the mustard.
sock_cooker@reddit
Fucking woke brigade at it again
WhaleMeatFantasy@reddit
Exactly.
sock_cooker@reddit
Oh. Umm I was being sarcastic. Feel awkward now
wildskipper@reddit
Well they do have fantasies about whale meat. It seems like meat is very important to them.
sock_cooker@reddit
Is this about Vera Lynne?
IAMACiderDrinker@reddit
Not any more, they stopped using gelatine in 2019
MisterrTickle@reddit
And the way they vacuum pack their smoked salmon is ridiculous. It's virtually impossible to separate them, even if you leave it out of the packaging for a while.
sayleanenlarge@reddit
Try the smoked trout? I can open it fine.
cavershamox@reddit
Thoughts and prayers
chat5251@reddit
I don't think I have ever read such a first world problem. Top marks
Valherudragonlords@reddit
It's not just a first world problem, it's your M&S first world problem.
pixie_sprout@reddit
... and spencers
Cocofin33@reddit
Open the bags upside-down, the seal is thinner and there's no hole for hanging the bags to mess it up. Applies also to Haribo.
RUFiO006@reddit
I’ll try it, thanks!
redmagor@reddit
You have to try Aldi, Lidl, and Tesco products, then.
JustAnotherFEDev@reddit
Can confirm a Lidl Deluxe mac & cheese peels off like the film on a new phone. So satisfying
cider-with-lousy@reddit
I’d say M&S food quality is often mediocre at best. What is excellent is their packaging and presentation. The photography is always good quality and the way the packaging is designed, the colours used etc is meant to suggest a quality product. Very often of course, the food itself is just as full of UPFs etc as their cheaper rivals.
Fungled@reddit
Are you saying that there is a world where you don’t have to get the knife out? What is this sorcery?
Evil_Knavel@reddit
You joke but if I'm completely honest, I watch people today debating the potential dangers of AI developments and implementations and how it could have severe consequences for humanity and quite often all I can think is "it's 2025 and humans haven't even been able to get the open here tabs on plastic packaging (specifically for packets of bacon) to work as intended. I think maybe it is time to let the computers take over."
I really thought we'd have proper hoverboards and self-lacing Nike Air Max by now but all we've managed to accomplish is reducing the attention span of the general public and putting Biff Tannen in the White House.
Glittering_Seat9677@reddit
it's genuinely a marvel that they still bother printing the "open here" on packets of bacon, not once in my life have i ever been able to open one using it - and i always try, out of spite at this point
quite_acceptable_man@reddit
I managed it the other day, for the first time ever. I was so excited I took it to the living room to show my wife, who I think could have at least pretended to be pleased for me.
kuhfunnunuhpah@reddit
You're, like, my hero, man...
quite_acceptable_man@reddit
It's a moment I'll be telling my grandchildren about, that's for sure.
JustAnotherFEDev@reddit
Dude, was she sleeping, dead or otherwise not able to communicate? I'm excited for you. 3 cheers for you 🥂🥂🥂
quite_acceptable_man@reddit
I'm the main bacon cooker in our house, so I just don't think she appreciated the momentousness of the occasion.
For the record, it was Tesco Smoked Streaky Bacon. I feel like that's important.
JustAnotherFEDev@reddit
The main bacon cooker 😂 That's brilliant 😂 ahh, maybe it's a case of you have hogged all bacon cooking duties and she doesn't understand the struggle? 😂
Still, some kind of celebration similar to an important goal at a match wouldn't have gone amiss. I dunno Ryan Giggs' solo effort United vs Arsenal, way back when. She could have whipped her shirt off and helicoptered it above head height whilst doing a lap of your room.
You deserved that at least, it's the stuff of legend what you did, one for the grandkids. I salute you
fanciest-of-feasts@reddit
Ironically the only ready meals I have ever found to peel off effortlessly are the ones from WeightWatchers
Proud_Cookie@reddit
100% agree with this, especially the Biff Tannen bit! 🤣😭
Izwe@reddit
They were made in 2016
ldn-ldn@reddit
I've never experienced unpeelable films until I moved to UK. The sorcery is to make in unpeelable, no other country does that.
thebeardofbeards@reddit
It's a culinary orgasm, the whole thing just slides off, no long slivers of plastic that cling to your soul.
Available_Remove452@reddit
Yeah this is too good to be true.
LooselyBasedOnGod@reddit
Bought a curry meal for 2 type of thing from Waitrose last week and NONE of the films came off clean, disgraceful
Basso_69@reddit
Yeah, their packaging has gotten a bit shoddy lately.
LooselyBasedOnGod@reddit
You could usually count on theirs to beautifully glide off in one piece
Basso_69@reddit
Perhaps they've hired the team from Tesco!
LooselyBasedOnGod@reddit
It’s good but can we make sure that the edges remain glued on? And can it tear in half?
binkstagram@reddit
Particularly unpleasant when it is covering raw meat too.
EssentialParadox@reddit
Their chocolate leaves everyone else in the dust. If you’re a chocolate lover who hates Kraft-Cadburys, you’ll find salvation at M&S.
Ok_Biscotti2533@reddit
Not sure if it's still the case but M&S chocolate was always made by Thorntons. I could have happily died by overdosing on their Champagne Bars from the 90s.
ldn-ldn@reddit
It's too sweet and bland. Meh.
Ok_Astronaut_3235@reddit
It’s not just any plastic film…
ChillWillIll@reddit
You joke, but when Stuart M was MD of Food, this was one of his major bug bears that shouldn't happen with m&s food, if customers were to pay more for m&s, that shouldn't happen.
-Morbo@reddit
I picked up one of their ready meals some time ago for my nan and had a look at the ingredients and i was suprised to see that it was just food, litteraly just a normal meal that had been frozen.
It's a sad state of affairs when that earns you a reputation as fancy. But unfortunately most food is stuffed to the brim with all kinds of additives and garbage these days.
Illustrious-Log-3142@reddit
Exactly what I noticed and now I feel better about splashing out sometimes! Coop also seems alot better than expected on the food being just food thing
PassionOk7717@reddit
Coop is awful, what am I missing here? I'd say it was sub-Asda in terms of their own items, yet charges Waitrose prices.
If there's anything from Co-op I should try that will change my mind, let me know.
Illustrious-Log-3142@reddit
Anything containing meat is a million times better than Asda, even the 'premium' meat in Asda is appalling, watery and tasteless not to mention their ready meals. I don't buy many ready meals these days (compared to when I lived by Asda and earned less) but the ones I've had from Coop are tasty enough to buy twice, their premium stuff is really good. Coop franchises do mean that some things vary but the only thing unique about mine is cheese and eggs from local farms and a small local range of various things from confectionary to chutneys and cakes.
PassionOk7717@reddit
Can you name one of their products that are good.
I don't eat ready meals normally (generally just shit in a nasty plastic container). But I'll try a coop one if you recommend one.
Illustrious-Log-3142@reddit
Any of their pizzas, I like the bbq chicken but their premium ones are a good alternative to takeout for a treat. Their dough balls and garlic bread are awesome and their pasta is generally pretty good. I haven't checked them all for UPF but since paying attention I've noticed they're better than some of the stuff I get elsewhere (Sainsburys usually)
PassionOk7717@reddit
This one? https://www.coop.co.uk/products/co-op-irresistible-margherita-475g
-Morbo@reddit
If you're going to splash out on anything, might aswell be food imho.
JimmyJonJackson420@reddit
Today I learnt food is food. Insanity
Basso_69@reddit
...including powdered duck feathers. Don't EVER buy a ready meal with a shiny glossy sauce.
Cirias@reddit
This is why when my wife talks about looking for certain ingredients as a vegan, she's actually absolutely right to. Want some crushed beetle puss all over your favourite chewy sweets, or crushed up beetle red colouring, or god forbid some good old sheep wool grease (lanolin) in your face cream? Go for it, but do read the ingredients, lol
Basso_69@reddit
Good point. You know the green/amber/red Nutritional icons on the front box food in the UK?
Wouldn't it be good the have a P(lant) and A(nimal) icon on products? And perhaps even a T(oxic) chemical icom 😅
Cirias@reddit
Most products will have vegan or vegetarian on them, however even vegetarian doesn't exclude some stuff that's produced by killing animals, so vegan is a safer bet if it's something you're passionate about.
Basso_69@reddit
That's where I'm coming from.
crystalstarling@reddit
Wow, reading up on this has really turned my stomach!
jimyjesuscheesypenis@reddit
Have you got any links?
I’ve had a quick google and this thread was one of the top search results but not much more.
Basso_69@reddit
Yup. I've not bought a Sainsbury's ready meal since I learnt the 4 years ago.
-Morbo@reddit
You mean to say that you don't keep powdered duck feathers in your pantry? Do you even cook? 🤷♂️
Basso_69@reddit
I do, but I just open the duvet and use the mortar and pestle.
Grass roots cooking.
Fickle-Fruit5707@reddit
You what, mate?
highlyblazeDd@reddit
Yes this is a big thing that people don’t understand… compare the labels of mns products to the equivalent in other shops… You’ll struggle to find e numbers or modified ingredients in the majority of mns food items. And when they are used it’s for genuine purposes like a needed preservative but again it’ll be just the one instead of multiple like other shops who bulk out their products with these fillers and additives.
Difficult-Broccoli65@reddit
They also put a LOT more meat in than any other ready meal.
TURBINEFABRIK74@reddit
I had the same thought with chicken sandwich slices:
“Without added water”
I was like “uh?” And then I found out that other places add water
PassionOk7717@reddit
You couldn't tell from the texture of precooked chicken that water had been added?
Did you think it was some part of the chicken that was secret only to cheap sandwiches?
iwanttobeacavediver@reddit
IMO you can definitely tell by taste you're eating something that actually came from real food ingredients. I used to buy their fish pie more or less weekly and the mash was so light and fluffy, while the fish was fat chunky pieces in the best sauce I ever had.
Eayauapa@reddit
I know this is a one-off example, but I was surprised by how short the ingredient list on co-ops ready lasagna is. It's still processed crap, sure, but there's nothing on that ingredient list that I wouldn't recognise if we had it in the kitchen. I was honestly fairly pleasantly surprised at that one.
No_Help_4721@reddit
"Their food is literally food"
-Morbo@reddit
Right? 🤣
Sounds ridiculous when you say out loud but that is the sorry state of our food these days 🤷♂️
Strong_Egg_8724@reddit
It dawned on me how bad this is once when I looked at the ingredients for a Sainsbury's label soy sauce.
It's called SOY SAUCE, but only around 15% was actually soy sauce. The rest was water, vinegar, and caramel colouring.
Missing-Caffeine@reddit
I saw some colouring in sweet potato fries, so I am not surprised.
derpyfloofus@reddit
There’s an app called Yuka that you can walk around any supermarket scanning barcodes as you go and it gives you a score out of 100 for the overall health rating of the product, along with detailed breakdowns of everything in it with red, yellow and green of each category.
I was surprised with a few of the Sainsbury’s ready meals coming back with really good health scores, for things like the Biryani and the Ragu pasta, etc.
sock_cooker@reddit
As well as which, a lot of their standard range food uses rice flour etc rather than wheat, so it's gluten free
-Morbo@reddit
I didn't know that, I'll have to mention that to my old man as he's a coeliac
Tepid-Mushroom@reddit
M&s baked beans are the best on the market, and they're 45p a can. This is enough to make me shop there.
Billargh@reddit
I'm team Branston to the grave but this has made me add M&S beans to next week's shopping list.
jhughes1986@reddit
Whilst I do think a lot of their stuff is extremely good, branston beans are it for me
Projected2009@reddit
Lidl's own brand are cheaper again and taste EXACTLY like Heinz.
jhughes1986@reddit
Not a Heinz fan
Projected2009@reddit
Fair enough. I like most beans, apart from the Tesco ones, which taste watery. So for me, it's about the price. Heinz & Branston are far too expensive compared to the very high quality alternatives that are out there.
I should say that I'm a fairly recent convert though. Five years ago our family shop was twice as much as it is now. I kept a spreadsheet of what we spend and was aghast at the grocery bill... particularly how much we threw away.
Now I do the online shop (Sainsbury's) and my wife does the rest at Lidl. We save an absolute fortune. The rule is that all heavy stuff is bought in bulk online, and my wife doesn't step foot in Lidl unless it's with a shopping list that has been physically checked in the house first. I kid you not, for a family of four (two teenage kids), we save £4k per year.
publiusnaso@reddit
That doesn't surprise me. Good for you.
younevershouldnt@reddit
I think they are different to Heinz but better, personally
ampmz@reddit
Their Ketchup is far far superior to Heinz and any others on the market.
JimmyJonJackson420@reddit
The ketchup from M and S bangs and the lobster bisque in the jar? 😍😍😍
devandroid99@reddit
Check out the Mutti stuff at Asda, very nice.
CocoPopsKid@reddit
Their smokehouse tomato sauce is sublime 🤤
Real_Palpitation_728@reddit
Yeh I’m all over their lovely vinegary ketchup
Basso_69@reddit
Sorry, their red stuff is not ketchup. It's too sophisticated a recipe.
Diligent-Outside2272@reddit
AGREED. And the salad cream (though it oddly has laxetive effects if over consumed...!)
DistancePractical239@reddit
Sainsburys organic best for me.
omgbaobunstho@reddit
Marks and Spencer used to have an amazing returns policy, I think it's just the standard retail policy now. The quality and sizing is consistent which makes it easier and more pleasant to shop there.
inverted_domination@reddit
The quality of their everyday clothing was really high in the post war years right up until the early 2000s, then things took a dip and they fucked up the retail side of things for a good few years and became more food focused.
They're definitely getting back there with clothes, but there's definitely a generation gap of people who don't treat them as the go to shop for their base items. Your mum and your gran definitely wore M&S bras and your dad wore M&S suits to the office. They're picking up a lot of younger guys buying smart casual and office wear these days but there's that kind of missing generation of 30 year olds who don't shop there.
littlegreenturtle20@reddit
For clothing, in the past couple of years they have been courting millennials and doing a really good job of it. They now have a range of brands and are a good price point for that core millennial audience. They brought in a buyer from Topshop and it shows. Their stuff is on trend.
In fact, I remember one of the first brands they introduced was Nobody's Child and you got a lot of older women commenting about how the sizing was smaller than they expected from M&S and how the quality wasn't as good. I personally shopped there because it was one of the few high street brands that claimed any kinds of ethics and sustainable practices and I'd buy basics from there.
Unfortunately I kinda agree with the older ladies. Quality has dropped, cotton has been replaced with poly-blends in favour of keeping an affordable price point and I believe M&S clothing is one of the most common brands to end up polluting the shores of Ghana.
MisterrTickle@reddit
I have an absolute hatred of M&S because my mum loved it so much. It particularly went bad one year when the Levi jeans that I wanted became St. Michael and every other present was St. Michael as well. With my mum's explanation being "Well M&S dont sell Levis".
publiusnaso@reddit
Quite a lot of the thought process was probably "well, if they don't like it, they can take it back". At one stage, the returns policy was so good that being given M&S clothes was essentially being given a slightly more inconvenient version of cash.
Many years ago my mum (who lived in the Isle of Man), used to do regular trips to Liverpool with her best mate, and buy a huge mound of clothes that she thought she might like, but wasn't sure about. Then, she'd try them on when she got home, and any she didn't like, she returned them to the (much smaller back then) local store in Douglas. After a while, many of the local women cottoned on the fact if they wanted the more interesting M&S clothes, they should go into the Douglas store just after Mum and her mate had done their epic shopping trip, and they could buy their rejects off the sale rack.
jj920lc@reddit
Maybe I’m in the minority but I’m early 30s and buy all my bras at M&S (and also a lot of boots and shoes), and my husband buys his suits there. We don’t tend to buy casual clothes there as it’s in my head as a bit dowdy, but tbh I do often see nice things if I’m in there. The quality feels a higher level than the majority of high street shops, without being too expensive.
I also love the food - I shop with Ocado every week and you can get M&S food on there which is great.
inverted_domination@reddit
From what I've heard most women say they do the best bra fitting but that's not really my area of expertise.
tinierclanger@reddit
Decent bras but they are in fact TERRIBLE at fitting and you can almost guarantee anyone fitted at M&S is in the wrong size bra
HRHHayley@reddit
M&S Bra fitting is absolutely steaming piles of rubbish and I will die on this hill. Their bras are fine but they subscribe to extremely outdated measuring (+4 method) and don't carry a large enough size range to truly accommodate most people. They fit people into bras that sit within their size range and breast havers be damned!
I could go on, I need to shut up, it's my puffer-fish topic.
LiliWenFach@reddit
Yes. It is rubbish.
whiskymaiden@reddit
I agree, bravissimo is far better m&s said I was a 38ff when I was actually a 36g(fitted at bravissimo)
inverted_domination@reddit
🤷♂️ not having diddies, I wouldn't know
NeuralHijacker@reddit
No, Bravissimo are far superior. Being married to someone whose cup size extends half way across the alphabet has taught me a lot about bra shops. And especially, the prices at bra shops.
DazzleLove@reddit
Can confirm whilst wearing FF cup
NeuralHijacker@reddit
You may be aware of them already, but my wife is a fan of Molke as well
jj920lc@reddit
Fair enough 😂
inverted_domination@reddit
Now taking bras off .... ooh matron! Phwoar! Nudge, Nudge, wink, wink!
iwanttobeacavediver@reddit
Same here, mid 30s and a good chunk of my trousers and shoes are M&S along with underwear and some other bits. Like you I feel they're good quality at a good price point.
DeirdreBarstool@reddit
I’ve always bought all my underwear in M&S. They have a great selection, it lasts and it’s reasonably priced. Their tights are the only ones that are always comfortable, don’t snag easily and are also good value.
I’ve found the clothing range lacking over the past few years, but I have a fair few items I’ve had for over 10 years and have worn to death and they are still as good as new. Love M&S!
Longjumping-Act9653@reddit
I don’t want to come across all Jeremy Paxman about it, but my last couple of M&S knickers purchases have been rubbish. The trim comes off really easily and they get holey after a few washes. I can’t even imagine where else to buy every day pants from, so I’m sticking with them, but it’s really gone downhill. I still have a few pairs floating around from at least 10 years ago that look newer than some of my recent pairs.
satrialesporkstore1@reddit
An elderly relative of mine wore the same clothes over and over and over again. Had a few jumpers, shirts and trousers etc. that he just washed and wore repeatedly. When he passed and we were cleaning out his stuff, it was all St Michael branded. He’d had the stuff for 30-50 years we estimated. All absolutely immaculate and he was always smartly dressed.
inverted_domination@reddit
It was always their hallmark. Made a complete mess of their clothing department (especially female clothes) in 2000s-2010s but they're rebuilding that customer base these days.
DiDiPLF@reddit
They were still very good for work clothes in that period. Suits in the sale were fab.
Wiltix@reddit
Is that the period where they decided their clientele were too old so tried younger fashion only for the majority of people to dislike their clothes?
I remember listening to you and you’re in R4 a few years ago and they had a segment on m&s women’s knickers, all these middle aged women calling in saying they had to find other knickers because m&s had changed their basic knickers. I had no idea they were such an institution for middle aged women.
ktitten@reddit
Oh yeah M&S lingerie is quite popular. At some point in their adult life every woman graduates from Primark Thongs to M&S Granny panties.
Serious-Grapefruit32@reddit
They have a comfortable brazillian cut, which have become my daily. I never thought I'd buy underwear from a food shop, but they're amazing and still flattering. As a woman with a smaller chest, the matching bra fits really well. It's relaxed, accentuates where you want it to, lacy and pretty. Decent price as well. 😚
ktitten@reddit
Yeah in my household where I grew up we never used M&S for food, only for lingerie and the occasional jumper. We would see it more as a clothes shop with a food hall!
Vehlin@reddit
There was a time when you were buying food from a clothes shop.
iwanttobeacavediver@reddit
Not middle aged but the M&S basics briefs are excellent. They're comfortable, wash well, their sizing is sensible and they're not badly priced.
DameKumquat@reddit
Oh yes. They sold over 80% of the bras in the country for years, until supermarkets started doing clothes in the late 90s. And most of the knickers.
There was a famous interview in the early 80s where Mrs Thatcher was asked where she bought her pants. "Why, M&S, of course! Doesn't everyone?"
Everyone pretty much did.
Lily_Hylidae@reddit
The Per Una era, where everything was in pastel shades and had ribbons/ lace / buttons / applique on it.
Scotsburd@reddit
God, that entire line was hideous.
Put me off Markies for 20 years. Much better now, though.
satrialesporkstore1@reddit
Bring back St Michael! They really did go off-piste for a while, didn’t they?
mynameisollie@reddit
They always seemed to be focused on the older generation for a good while and once that customer base died off they played catch up at the cost of quality.
satrialesporkstore1@reddit
Bad move on their part - we’ve had an ageing population for quite some time! I might see what they have to offer these days - now that I’m 30 something!!
mynameisollie@reddit
They have some pieces that appeal to me but you find better quality in Uniqlo for instance.
gourmetguy2000@reddit
Agreed, Uniqlo t shirts last forever, whereas m&S are only slightly better quality than Primark nowadays
Accomplished__Fun@reddit
I have a few st Michael dresses (I'm not that old, I just love vintage style!) and they are like new, and are of fantastic quality, and are cut perfectly. I often get compliments on them. Wish M&S was still the same as st michaels in terms of quality and cut.
Difficult-Broccoli65@reddit
The best thing is they never seem to shrink in the dryer. I've never found another clothing brand that stands up so well to washing and drying without shrinking.
PlasticCheebus@reddit
You still see St. Michael stuff in charity shops, and it's good quality. Dated, but solid stuff.
iwanttobeacavediver@reddit
My grandmother has loads of M&S clothing, some of it 20-30 years old and still looking very much presentable. If it wasn't petite length sizing there's a few pieces I'd probably be redirecting into my wardrobe/
gloomsbury@reddit
I've got a few jumpers and pairs of trousers from St. Michael that I've picked up from charity shops over the years, and it's all great quality. M&S clothing in the past 15 years or so has been shocking in comparison, like fast fashion quality for double or triple the price.
father-fluffybottom@reddit
The baby stuff in M&S is actually really good, like nappy-button vests and that. My wife dragged me in there to get some and I (as a lifelong povvo) was bracing myself to get absolutely bent over for it but it turns out they're not even that expensive.
I had the same feeling of relief as when you check your phone after dropping it and its not broke.
JohnnyRyallsDentist@reddit
I recently purchased their men's khaki "Pure Cotton Utility Jacket" and have been blown away by the quality of it. I reckon it might see me out.
Ashari83@reddit
I bought a good few bits during a sale recently and I've been very impressed with the quality. The while Autograph range of clothes seem to be genuinely good quality.
slartybartfast6@reddit
St michael was the proper stuff that was made domestically, a lot in Wales if I recall, quality dived when they off shored it all and then it became just like everything else but more expensive, it's taken them a while but quality started to increase again when they stopped trying to outcompete the younger brands and focused on their core demographic. The food is also better than many.
JellyfishRun@reddit
I’m 33, and took the jump about a year ago. I realised that most high street shops are catering for those in their early 20s so I finally gave M&S a chance and haven’t looked back.
FlowLabel@reddit
I’m 30 and I get basically everything from M&S 😅
ClintonLewinsky@reddit
I'm mid 40's and most of my day to sat stuff is m&s. I have to wear a suit daily and theirs are great value and hard wearing.
I do sound like my dad
sc00022@reddit
I’m in my early 30s and most clothing I buy comes from M&S. most of my friends shop there too as it’s reliable and the clothes look and feel good. I don’t think there’s any ‘skipped generation’ I think it’s just an age thing.
R_bazungu@reddit
I think M&S was the last supermarket to carry nearly all UK made clothing made from actual British cloth/wool as well. The quality was amazing for the price, you can still find them on ebay for a steal. We have got so used to cheap, synthetic fast fashion… really a shame.
wildskipper@reddit
It would only be British wool not cotton, but we haven't produced large quantities of wool of clothes quality for a long time, most is for carpets. I say only wool because cotton doesn't tend to grow that well here (hence, you know, the trans Atlantic slave trade and the conquest of India in history).
R_bazungu@reddit
Huddersfield still produces most of all the woolen used for tailoring, the borders still produce a lot of knitwear for high-end brands (and own labeled stuff). British wool cloth is still the gold standard for any classic menswear. It's nothing to what it once was, but it's still going strong in some capacity.
EmmaInFrance@reddit
I remember going to their factory shop, which was actually part of their factory, near where I grew up in South Wales, to buy clothes for school with my mum in the late 70s.
I'm 53, and I have worn M&S knickers for my entire life :-)
CuriousQuerent@reddit
I went there looking for men's work clothes late last year and the quality was still awful, frankly. So I'm not entirely sure they're getting anywhere on that front, or if they are it must have been quite a low baseline! None of it felt like it would last half as long as I wanted, and I left without buying anything.
mata_dan@reddit
Their clothes are quite simply awful quality for the price, sorry.
Flea-Surgeon@reddit
The only reason they survived their slump was that they've always owned all their properties. If they'd had to find rent and hadn't had equity reserves on the balance sheet they would have gone tits-up.
Eayauapa@reddit
I've got a red flannel shirt that I got as a birthday present from M&S almost a decade ago and I've worn it for more days than I haven't like a fucking cartoon character. Genuinely, I look for that shirt in photographs to find myself instead of my face or haircut because those have varied between 16 year-old me and nearly 26 year-old me, but that shirt is borderline immortal.
I have worn that particular flannel shirt for at least 2,000 separate days and I have NOT been careful while wearing it, and all I've had to do is sew two of the buttons back on. It's frankly insane how high-quality that thing is. I have had my friends and my partner agree that if I'm to be cremated, frame it, and if I'm to be buried, I'm wearing that thing into the ground.
Love that shirt, man.
No_Camp_7@reddit
I’d been reading year in year out in Style, Elle, Vogue how M&S cashmere jumpers were the affordable winter investment I needed to make. A decade later I thought I’d go into one of their stores and act on this long-standing advice. Oh my goodness their jumpers are paper thin and the quality of the cashmere is nothing special. I mean, they’re like bloody t shirts. Got myself several ridiculously luxurious cashmere jumpers soon after off Vinted for £10 here, £6 there. No brainer.
BobbyColgate@reddit
31 year old here. I always buy their socks and boxer shorts, they’re comfy as hell.
Salaried_Zebra@reddit
From my experience they absolutely shouldn't be. I started a new job, bought a couple of shirts, a couple of pairs of chinos and a pair of pull-on boots. Spent £250. Within a week, both shirts had to be thrown out as they ironed atrociously and shrank to buggery. Within a month, the soles of the boots were falling off (and bear in mind I was only walking in them, on pavement, not hiking across the Amazon rainforest). Paid M&S prices, got Primark quality.
The only survivors were the trousers, and I got bleach on one pair of those (obviously not blaming Marks for that).
cbe29@reddit
100% I have pants from 8 years ago still going strong. All my recents ones have ripped and gone in the bin. Don't know where to buy pants now!
Bumble072@reddit
The vast majority of clothing retail now is built on cheap items and the quantity you can sell of them. The average customer follows that. There is room for a quality brand like M&S but in all honesty Id give it 10 years max before they give up on clothing altogether. Im surprised they have lasted this long.
BarnacleExpressor@reddit
Yep I think next swooped in and took a large portion of millennial men's custom in the smart casual and suit department. Personally I find their clothes look very blocky and basic, more something for my dad's generation.
panic_puppet11@reddit
Their menswear is really, really drab. It's all faded and pastel. Plus they only ever carry larger sizes in store, so it's a pain if you want to try things on to see if they're a good fit - there are some trousers I want to try on but it's frustrating seeing racks of them that are all 36" waist or larger.
inverted_domination@reddit
I'm in my 40s and only started buying M&S suits again a couple of years ago. Late 90s early 00s they were the place for day to day business wear then became awful.
But recently I've seen a few nice things, especially summer linen suits and neapolitan cut suits, they've definitely modernised.
I know women in their 30s and 4s who stopped shopping there because everything was very "mumsy" and aimed at 70 year olds but the Hannah Waddingham factor has brought a lot of women back to them.
thescamperinghamster@reddit
I've inherited some basic m&s men's cord trousers from my dad (a couple of pairs were still in their packaging), and I'm really nicely surprised about just how good they are. Great pockets (I'm a woman, so good trouser pockets are a thing to note), nice relaxed fit, not too narrow, not too baggy, and really good quality fabric. I won't need new pairs for a long while now, but I know where my first stop will be when I do!
Seraphinx@reddit
I still wear m&s bras. Found them to be a very good fit and last really well
demolition_lvr@reddit
I’m 34, male and I love M&S.
As a man, it feels like one of the last clothes shops left on the high street to be honest, and definitely of that size. It’s the only place I can go for a browse.
The quality is much better than elsewhere and the clothes last longer. A lot of their clothes are really quite simple which means you can quite easily tailor any look out of them. I transitioned to shopping from Topman to M&S and I don’t think anyone would ever notice, or that I dress particularly differently either!
Projected2009@reddit
I'm 47 and none of my friends / peers of the same age trust M&S either.
happymisery@reddit
I was the same until recently. I’ve found that their clothes and food are very good value for money and some items are cheaper than your branded supermarket. When I was last there, I looked around and at 48, I was surprised that the only people younger/same age were the people who worked there. Everyone else a good 10 years my senior. Shame because as I say, their gear is good quality for a reasonable price.
TremendousCustard@reddit
Can confirm. Once got a pair of school trousers in there in I think 2006 in my last year and maaaaaan. The quality was atrocious.
I usually buy my underoos there - midi briefs cos fuck yeah, comfort! - and they're now terrible. Thin with crap elastic. Primark's are tragically more durable now.
Ginger_Grumpybunny@reddit
I always look for the old St Michael labels on clothes in charity shops - they're generally much better than modern M&S clothes. The sizing was consistent: I can buy my usual size without trying it on and be confident it will fit. Nowadays their sizes are unreliable like other shops and the "short" length in women's trousers is still too long for me (sometimes just a little, sometimes a lot) whereas the St Michael short length fits me every time. They also had sensible washing instructions, e.g. almost everything was machine washable and colourfast, but nowadays if machine washing is even recommended at all it's all "wash with like colours" and they often do run in the wash, and are more likely to need ironed. The overall quality and durability was usually superior in the St Michael days too, and I tend to prefer the styles.
Their food is usually nice: it can be a bit pricey but if you compare like with like (e.g. the posher own brand equivalent in other supermarkets which do cheapo, regular and luxury versions of various foods) they're not really much more expensive, if at all, for a treat - they just don't do the cheapskate option for most stuff. That said, some staples like milk, bananas and baked beans are typically about the same price as the big supermarkets.
I remember when some other shops introduced special shopping times for sensorily sensitive customers, with softer lighting, no music blaring, no staff filling shelves blocking half the aisle, etc, and I thought it was a good idea but also a description of a normal shopping experience at M&S. Supermarkets usually have harsh, excessive lighting with at least one (often several) malfucntioning fluorescent strip light flickering visibly, and as a chronic migraine sufferer I do appreciate M&S' more user-friendly lighting, though I still do most of my shopping elsewhere since I'm usually looking for a wider range of cheap food (it's sometimes worth going near closing time for the yellow-stickered stuff though).
tmstms@reddit
Not so much fancy as solid and reliable, with a good returns policy.
publiusnaso@reddit
I used to shop reguarly at Asda (about 15 years ago) and their returns policy and customer service was excellent. I don't know if that's the case any more. I agree all stores should be like this. There are very few with a deserved reputation for excellent customer service these days (e.g. Richer Sounds). The ones with a previously good reputation (John Lewis) are getting shitter by the day.
merlin8922g@reddit
Id say having a good returns policy with good home based customer service staffed by English people (can't believe i actually had to stipulate that), puts any business head and shoulders above the majority.
Dizzy_Vehicle_7245@reddit
What do you have against the Scots, Welsh and Irish?
merlin8922g@reddit
Absolutely nothing, i should have extended it to the British Isles.
SubsequentBadger@reddit
The long winded version of what I assume you're trying to say is "people who speak English at native level" which makes a huge difference in customer service
merlin8922g@reddit
Correct. I've got nothing again ANY nation whatsoever.... apart from maybe Burkina Faso (you know what you did).
But when I've spent 40 minutes on hold on my only day off work to try and explain a complex billing issue im having or that my trainer sole has started to delaminate......and get absolutely nowhere because I can't understand her very strong (to me) Mumbai accent and likewise with my Liverpudlian accent, its stroke inducing.
Atleast although the British isles are full of strong regional accents, we've grown up with it and understand each other.
Aside from the fact it's taking jobs out of the UK, it basically says you don't give a fuck about your customers once you have their money.
I will absolutely cut a company/retailer out my life forever if their customer services is shit.... looking at you Sports Direct!
DazzleLove@reddit
TBF that excludes a good proportion of the UK
Superb-Hippo611@reddit
They know what they've done
dmmeyourfloof@reddit
And we'll do it again. You'll never see it coming. 🏴
TheBlueDinosaur06@reddit
What and other shops are staffed by aliens?
merlin8922g@reddit
I dunno mate, im not talking about shop staff, more about customer services on the phone.
Make sense?
luciferslandlord@reddit
Yes
SleepySasquatch@reddit
Exactly this. M&S isn't fancy, so much as better than the average and rarely misses on this front. Which is actually pretty impressive.
JohnnyRyallsDentist@reddit
Makes me laugh that in the UK we treat as "posh" a supermarket that is on about the same level in terms of quality as almost any bog standard supermarket in France or Italy.
fiddly_foodle_bird@reddit
Bog Standard supermarkets in France and Italy make Kwiksave look like Waitrose, you clearly haven't been abroad before.
JohnnyRyallsDentist@reddit
In terms of interior layout/feel/design, I would agree. But in terms of freshness of vegetables and selection of meats and other products, I'd disagree. Some of the lower-end supermarkets, fair enough.
(And with close family overseas, I've spent 40 years travelling between here and France 4-5 times a year (mainly).
redmagor@reddit
I agree; it is disheartening. However, it is in line with the whole "race to the bottom" attitude of the average Briton.
_whopper_@reddit
Yet the supermarkets who push the most on price in the UK are German, who do exactly the same in France and Italy.
redmagor@reddit
I agree, but in an Italian Lidl or Eurospin (another low-cost supermarket), there is better quality and variety than here. In fact, an Italian Eurospin or Lidl can be compared to a Sainsbury's in terms of what they offer, and not a Lidl or Aldi.
I am not sure why that is. It is possible that produce and variety here are either not sought after because they are seen as "posh", or British supermarkets use more data-driven approaches to stock up (consumers' data), and the consequence of this is that ranges are restricted to what is already liked.
In Italy and France, perhaps, there is more emphasis on freshness, variety, and quality, and in turn is a greater abundance of unsold items and associated wastage.
These are only speculations, of course, but the difference in quality is stark. Live in Spain, Portugal, France, or Italy for a few years and then return to the United Kingdom, and you will see how substantial the difference in quality and variety is. Unless you experience it, you cannot draw a comparison.
_whopper_@reddit
I've lived in Italy. There is not more variety in an Italian supermarket.
redmagor@reddit
Certo che hai vissuto in Italia! In quale parte? Ricordami, dove nel Regno Unito posso trovare scarole, carciofi freschi, carne di coniglio, carne di cavallo, prodotti di cinghiale, spiedini di maiale o pollo, funghi porcini freschi, triglie, albicocche, pesce giallo, zafferano, tartufi, funghi chiodini, trippa di maiale, uova di quaglia, radicchio, borlotti, farina "00", friarielli, ravanelli, fichi freschi, vongole fresche, ostriche, rana pescatrice e polpo fresco o congelato? Non trovo mai questi prodotti nel Regno Unito; forse vado ai supermercati sbagliati. Dammi delle raccomandazioni.
_whopper_@reddit
What's the gotcha here? Which Italian supermarket will sell me pease pudding, custard, honey roasted cashews or a Colin the caterpillar?
Besides, if you can't find 00 flour, quail's eggs, saffron or yellow peaches in a British supermarket you mustn't be looking very hard.
redmagor@reddit
Any supermarket, really. Pudding is budino, honey-roasted cashews are anacardi tostati al miele, and Colin the Caterpillar is a supermarket-specific brand, which has nothing to do with ingredients, which is what I have listed here. If you want to consider the full supermarket inventory, then add magazines, crisps, and microwave meals, and that is how you raise the diversity of British supermarkets' inventory.
Pesche gialle are not on sale in the United Kingdom at all. They are large, hairy peaches that are not here. Indeed, I would be happy to find them if you can provide a link or a supermarket. The same applies to apricots. Where are they? I have never seen them in any supermarket, not even online. So, you may argue that I am picking on seasonal, summer fruit. In that case, again, I would ask where are all the fresh mushrooms that a wet country can offer? Where is all the fish and seafood? Where are all the meats that Britain can indeed offer?
The other products you picked up on can certainly be found online, but they are not generally available on shelves in supermarkets, with the exception of Waitrose at times.
In my opinion, the potential for fresh food here is enormous, but supermarkets always offer the same limited range. The same applies to cured meats and cheeses.
_whopper_@reddit
So you don't know what pease pudding is.
Where's the generic caterpillar cake if they don't have Colin?
Apricots
Yellow peaches
Have you been in a British supermarket?
redmagor@reddit
Again, these are not on sale at the physical supermarket.
Those are not yellow peaches. Firstly, because they are red. Secondly, because they are another cultivar. These are pesche gialle (or percoche).
You have completely ignored the rest of the comment, too. It is fine, though; British supermarkets are the most diverse. Bravo!
_whopper_@reddit
Even the Tesco app which tells me that 4 packs are in stock in aisle 1 at my local branch is lying?! I guess my life has been a lie then and I have never bought apricots from a supermarket after all.
Well your posts essentially say ‘if you ignore some variety there isn’t actually that much variety’ and ‘shops can’t have more variety because they don’t all stock every single same thing as one in some other country’.
But the average supermarket size in each country is readily available online. Which will be a good indicator as to just how much variety can be stocked.
redmagor@reddit
I would love to do that and was looking to see if there had been any research done on this topic, but I cannot find an industry or scientific paper on the subject. If you do, please link it. I am happy to retract my observations, which are that the food diversity of British supermarkets is lower than that of French, Italian, Spanish, or Portuguese ones, not accounting for Internet-only stores.
Of course, they are not lying. Why would they? It is good that you found apricots; it is reassuring. However, you have found one product of many listed above, from a non-exhaustive list created by me that means nothing because it is biased and anecdotal, as I created it to make a point.
Let us use statistics to draw a comparison, and we shall find the only true reality. It is the only possible approach.
_whopper_@reddit
Ok.
(Largest Conad: 50,000 SKUs)[https://www.esmmagazine.com/retail/conad-rolls-new-large-store-format-109115]
(Tesco: previously up to 90,000 SKUs. Now around 65,000.)[https://www.talkingretail.com/opinion/talking-points/will-tescos-strategy-simplify-product-range-succeed-02-03-2015/]
_whopper_@reddit
Bog standard supermarkets in Italy are Deco/Todis/Crai/MD/EuroSpin/Lidl and they are a lot worse than M&S
wildskipper@reddit
Carrefour are French and operate many rubbish hypermarkets in many countries.
PM-YOUR-BEST-BRA@reddit
In my experience, bog standard supermarkets in France are fucking expensive.
Strong_Egg_8724@reddit
Which supermarket? Always thought L'eclerc was reasonable.
DeusPrime@reddit
Yup i decided a few years ago to throw out all my odd mismatched socks and buy 20 pairs of good, high quality cushioned black sock from M&S. They were even better than i expected and they've lasted me 6 years. They are still good as new... absolutely none of them have any holes, theyre still thick, soft and comfortable. I really abuse them too lol, 12hr shifts on my feet, tumble dryer etc..
Acceptable-Guide2299@reddit
I do like them, my only issue with them is their complicity with genocide.
Sufficient_Gift_8857@reddit
My dad was a surveyor. He surveyed a crisp factory and in one corner of this huge space there was an enclosed production area. Brighter lit. All white. With crisps on conveyors with workers picking out the inferior ones. No green bits. No burnt bits. He asked them what was that special area for. It was the M&S production line… it was a long time ago. But you can get stuff there that tastes great all the time. Cherries out of season but still sweet for example. You know they’ll be awful elsewhere. There’s also their Christmas sandwich. 18 months of development. For a sandwich. You KNOW it will be the perfect ration of turkey to stuffing. That the bread choice will be elite. That the cranberry sauce will be the perfect texture and amount. Love it…
Jayatthemoment@reddit
I find the food better quality than Asda or Tesco which are the only other possibilities in my town.
The clothes used to be better quality. I still have a couple of jumpers from 30 years ago, going strong. Now, there’s no particular advantage in buying, say, a five-pack of knickers from M & S than anywhere else. They won’t last longer or look better.
DiDiPLF@reddit
I've recently had a load of M&S products after not having them for years after moving and not having a decent one conveniently located. Choccy biscuits, fresh coffee, school trousers, tights all really really good. I'm going out of my way to start using M&S again.
fubblebreeze@reddit
My impression judging by their pricey dinners for one and overall range, is that they cater mostly to well-off pensioners. Their products are good, but sometimes Sainsbury's products are just as good if not better, but they have a better range.
blackcurrantcat@reddit
I absolutely love M&S (46f). They really did balls up the clothes side for a while, I wouldn’t have dreamed of shopping there (aside from bras- does anyone not own an M&S bra?) for clothes in my 20s or 30s but these days it’s pretty much the first place I look for something and I see things I would buy if I was 20s or 30s. Their food is immaculate, I LOVE their home stuff, just love love love M&S.
Sea-History5302@reddit
I actually work for M&S Logistics, and it's a fact the food is generally significantly better quality, whether it's reflected in the taste or not. There's certain Kpis that have to be hit, and one example is how quick fresh food has to be moved from supplier, to store (it's much, much faster than pretty much any other store)
Whether it's worth the extra money, that's a different opinion.
Beneficial-Pitch-430@reddit
Good quality food. We used to get Tesco delivered and the fruit was always crap. Switched to Ocado (which is also M&S) and it’s roughly the same price and much better.
JimmyJonJackson420@reddit
Same like I was done, yeah it’s more money but less stress and good food so fuck it
External-Praline-451@reddit
I've just done the switch too. Tesco was getting so expensive, for inconsistent quality. I managed to spend the same amount on Ocado by choosing loads of deals and got much nicer stuff.
east112@reddit
Their pistachio cookies are the GOAT.
JimmyJonJackson420@reddit
They do not last longer than a few hours in my house my BF is obsessed
Like I have to eat one before he gets home or I’m not getting one at all 😂
iwanttobeacavediver@reddit
I'm not allowed near the bakery section because I know I'll buy and then subsequently demolish a coffee sponge roll.
popsand@reddit
Love them. They beckon to me everytime I go in.
My sister always has a packet at home!
Violet351@reddit
They are so good
JimmyJonJackson420@reddit
If you think m and s is gonna be the same quality as say ASDA then I don’t know what to tell you
GunstarGreen@reddit
Every year on Christmas Eve my wife and I treat ourselves to the M&S party food and watch a movie. It's light years ahead of other supermarkets in terms of taste. I don't use them often but if I'm in the mood to treat myself then M&S is a great option, especially as the price of a takeaway has gone through the roof
Old-Temperature9049@reddit
In our mostly veggie/pescaterian household, because we save money on steaks and all meat produce, i love buying their food especially fish and other sea produce. So twice per week when we eat fish I don't mind paying more. Quality of cakes, pasta sauces, veg ready meals even flowers is way above any other (apart Waitrose). Some things are cheaper or same price than in Tesco, Asda, Morrosons, Sainsburys but taste better. I love their cleaning products range because it makes our home smell amazing. School uniforms, tights, underwear great quality not overpriced. As a designer I love their packaging especially old fashioned tins design.
dalliedinthedilly@reddit
No idea.
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/marks-spencer-for-the-glory-of-zion/
beefboxer84@reddit
I worked making sweets for companies and for M&S 20 years ago , we had to make sure the quality for M&S was top notch and everything by the book
Tornagh@reddit
As a young person who moved to the UK 6 years ago: M&S is what Waitrose pretends to be.
M&S own brand food is better than any other chain’s hands down, and often better than the big brands too. M&S stores that sell bread will have the best bread out of any chain. Generally, any items bearing the M&S brand will be consistently good. Finding better quality produce is possible, but you usually have to go and get it from a market or a specialised store.
If I am buying any food item that I would not normally buy (say a recipe requires it), and getting an M&S branded version of that item is an option, then I will do so because I know it will be at least a 7/10 in quality (and sometimes it is a 9/10).
manic_panda@reddit
I think it's a mixture of consistency and marketing. M&S actually launched what is the gold standard now of quality auditing for their food, a system now copied by multiple other retailers, and they perform regular suprise audits on their vendors. I say this as someone who's been on the receiving end of a few at previous jobs.
That level of quality control is mimicked in their clothing and home good range as well. They're one of the few brands that have been able to create items somewhat ethically without a massive price tag and the quality has maintained good levels for decades, that's hard to do for a brand as decline during expanding markets is almost always inevitable.
Now if they'll survive considering their market base has been struggling and they've had to close some store as more people buy online, who knows, but I hope they will.
AnonymousTimewaster@reddit
I'd never had anything from M&S until I met my wife. The first thing was a Colin the Caterpillar cake at uni for her birthday that her parents got for her. It was fucking delicious and I was shocked - far better than the stock in most other supermarkets. Then I got to meet her family who exclusively shop at M&S. Eating there is always a bit of a treat.
Other supermarkets are catching up in certain ways - the Specially Selected / Extra Special ranges or whatever names they have are attempting to reach the same level of quality and imo they do a good job.
But yes, I would say that the reputation is warranted. I don't know how healthy their food is, but it's all top quality. The Chicken Parmigiana is really excellent. And the Mac and Cheese bites are to die for. Same with the Four Cheese Ravioli.
McDeathUK@reddit
M&S has always been one of the more quality supermarkets. However Waitrose has started creeping up for the best quality crown.
Its just. a solid reputation built on decades of consistent quality.
Its small things that make all the difference, example their pre-made lunch time pasta dishes, the pasta is cooked perfectly. I had the tescos equivalent and the pasta was overcooked to mush. Their vegetables are always good, the own brand bisuits such as jaffa cakes rival the existing well known jaffacake brand... and dont get me started on their sultana cookies...
ian9outof10@reddit
I’m going to lightly argue with you. More of a difference of an opinion. Waitrose is on the downward trend in terms of quality. It’s still okay, but little better than any supermarket.
On the other hand, M&S has been up and down in quality for years, mostly due to bad management. However now I would rate it as absolutely top notch. It would be my first choice for food any day of the week, from prepared to just ingredients - it’s superb with few bad options.
It’s a dramatic shift for me, but reminds me of the old days when M&S was the hallmark of “middle class luxury”
Mustbejoking_13@reddit
I agree and would add that Waitrose bakery items are dreadful. Add to that, they sell much the same as every other supermarket but at a premium for 'posh' people, I avoid the place. Waitrose is also the only supermarket where I've been pushed out of the way by someone wanting a scooch in the bargain bin. I hope those quails eggs poisoned her, the cow.
highlyblazeDd@reddit
Their Apple oat cookies are the GOAT!
beanedontoasts@reddit
yeh Waitrose is best of the rest but M&S quality is unrivalled
ChipCob1@reddit
Have you been to Booths? It makes M&S look like Heron!
max1304@reddit
I’ve heard of Booths, although never seen one, but Heron is a new one to me. The name alone isn’t promising!
ChipCob1@reddit
It's a chain of frozen food stores...think Temu Iceland
max1304@reddit
Sub-Iceland?! Yikes. You can keep Heron
iani63@reddit
A true cognoscenti of supermarket sweeps markdowns at booths are worth timing a trip for!
ian9outof10@reddit
Is filthy southerners don’t have that opinion as far as I know
iani63@reddit
You'll have to stick to Kwik save then
highlyblazeDd@reddit
Waitrose I find has a better range of products… but the quality and taste is sub par to mns in almost everything. There’s only been one or 2 things I’ve preferred from Waitrose over mns.
jj920lc@reddit
I quite like Waitrose and we have one round the corner from us which is handy. However I’d definitely still rank M&S food as a step above Waitrose personally (I get M&S food in my Ocado delivery). I usually find the choice to be better.
Jurassic_tsaoC@reddit
I'd say still Waitrose for absolute best quality produce (fruit and veg, fish, meat, eggs, cheese) but M&S has better and more interesting food products (sandwiches/wraps/Pasta pots, ready made meals, cakes and desserts, etc).
iani63@reddit
Try booths, far better choices
McDeathUK@reddit
Not many around the UK, mainly a Lancashire chain isn’t it? I always used to enjoy booths as they usually had a coffee grinder - smell was lovely
iani63@reddit
They have ventured out into Cumbria, Cheshire & Yorkshire, hope for the rest yet!
Jurassic_tsaoC@reddit
I'm on the south coast so unfortunately a bit out of my way! I do try to use local farm shops when in season, I tend to find Waitrose produce runs the closest to that, which is why I'd give them the win there. I understand they still go out of their way to find local suppliers, or at least get it from UK growers where possible. Obviously at this time of year it's mostly coming from Morocco/Egypt or Netherlands Greenhouses either way though!
Available_Remove452@reddit
What about those chocolate custard creams!? Super sickly and indulgent but they've taken the biscuit game to a new level.
DarthScabies@reddit
Those chocolate covered custard creams are absolutely deadly. Have you tried their chocolate chip shortbread?
Available_Remove452@reddit
Not yet, but will get some today, Ty.
DarthScabies@reddit
They're normally on the bakery counter. Not on the shelf with regular biscuits.
SnapShotKoala@reddit
Chocolate Heaven Cones in the ice cream area, check the box to make sure they have been made recently and ascend to another dimension.
I say the date thing not because they are often old but we once got a box that had been made 2 days prior and it was the best ice cream I have ever had in my life lol. Absolutely mega premium.
Emergency_Driver_421@reddit
Why do M&S food halls exist? To keep the riff-raff out of Waitrose…
McDeathUK@reddit
Heh heh
username_not_clear@reddit
Their jaffa cakes are god tier.
Graff101@reddit
The lemon and lime ones are delicious.
Albert_Herring@reddit
Their Earl Grey is utterly shit. I'm a fully fledged tea ponce and I'd rather drink PG Tips from a used teabag.
Basso_69@reddit
Aye, there is that. Haven't drunk it for years. Even Whittards Earl Grey is better - and that's disgusting.
b-roc@reddit
Tell me about their sultana cookies...
Legitimate_War_397@reddit
I love M&S because out of all the gluten free ranges I’ve tried, theirs is 100% the best.
Difficult-Broccoli65@reddit
The GF sandwich bread is still pretty crap though.
iwanttobeacavediver@reddit
My uncle is coeliac and for most of his life my family has always bought the sausage ranges at M&S because they're clearly marked to be gluten free.
cavergirl@reddit
I love the gf scones in the cafe
_Land_Rover_Series_3@reddit
How have I only learned they do gluten free scones now
OrdinaryQuestions@reddit
I loved their plant based range that used to be kept beside the gluten free section. But now they've moved it all so it's integrated with everything else.
E.g. a vegan lasagne is with meat lasagne.
And it's like playing find wally for EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT now.
inverted_domination@reddit
Their sausage rolls are 10/10
Better than their own normal sausage rolls
dallibab@reddit
Got an Aldi frozen cottage pie. The plastic came off in one go yesterday. I was surprised.
Pandita666@reddit
Top quality and they know they aren’t going to be mass market appeal. Tesco/Aldi/Lidl/Morros all fighting for every hard pressed family penny but M&S offer really good stuff at a fair price for what it is. You don’t often open a product from there and think it’s 100% different to what is on the box or advertised. Not cheap but that’s a different discussion.
RetractableHead@reddit
Old people like bland food. There’s more flavour in tap water than an M&S curry.
FlowLabel@reddit
I like it because it’s still a quality option when everywhere else is desperate to “price match Aldi” and price matching Aldi just means a race to the bottom for quality.
We moved from shopping at Aldi and Sainsbury’s and now practice quality over quantity. We consume much less meat but it’s tastier and higher welfare. Our veg actually lasts the whole week rather than barely making it past Wednesday and when weren’t feeling lazy we have ready meals that aren’t full of bottom tier ingredients and crazy chemicals I can’t pronounce.
We don’t even spend that much more overall. Yes we have less food from it but we aren’t exactly starving. And it’s done wonders for our health.
Pretty_Cap_9032@reddit
Marketing
sayleanenlarge@reddit
I definitely think it's warranted. Their food is much better quality than average. They make sure their meats looked after. They get the class A fruit and veg. They have good people designing their special food. I definitely trust them more than supermarkets like Tesco, Asda, Lidl and Aldi.
TheArtfullTodger@reddit
It's no better or worse than most super markets. Although like every other supermarket they do have that odd product that you won't find anywhere else. M&S carry all the same brands though but they charge more, so people feel as if they're more privileged and special for shipping there. Occasionally they do actually sell cheaper though. Breeding used to have a stout called rattle and rum and M&S was the cheapest place I could find it retailing for. But as far as quality of products are concerned there really no difference
BugPsychological4836@reddit
The quality was good with the clothes made in the uk until the 2000s when they got them from china turkey india etc
lavenderacid@reddit
They also have a lot more interesting products than other places. If I want to get something a bit unusual and out of the ordinary for a special occasion, I'd go to M&S.
Where else would I find a sausage roll shaped like a wreath? Or a sausage roll wrapped to look like a Halloween mummy baby? All sorts of options.
mad-un@reddit
Ahhh young grasshopper, you are young, but you will learn. Around your mid 30s to mid 40s, one day you'll wake up wander into an M&S and it'll just click
TanjoCards@reddit
Better than average goes a long way.
INTuitP1@reddit
The quality is not just better than average. It is the best. If you watch those “how it’s made” factory shows, there’s lots of fancy technology test the best fruit veg etc. all the best ones go to M&S and Waitrose and then the rest to everyone else.
Lt_Muffintoes@reddit
We one bought eggs from there and they tasted so awful we almost threw up. Will never buy eggs from m&s again.
Their chocolate rounds are great though
Careful-Swimmer-2658@reddit
I find their clothes to be designed to fit six foot tall Europeans rather than five foot six Asians. Having sleeves that reach my wrists is an unfamiliar luxury.
appletinicyclone@reddit
Idk about clothes but food wise it's great
I think that other options were better but they got more expensive and m&s kinda stayed the same sort of locked in price which means their snacks and such are actually worth the purchase price
fussyfella@reddit
It was never considered fancy (except for food), but somewhere that did good quality and reliable things at okay prices. It was the go to place for socks and underwear (and frankly still is for me).
Its food counters were never a big thing and no-one ever thought of doing a full shop there, but it has nice stuff you could not get elsewhere. Then the big supermarkets raised their game, Waitrose broke out from a small niche to being everywhere and M&S spotted a niche for higher end supermarkets and started to compete in that space, significantly increasing the floor space dedicated to food and even going for food only places.
WhoWroteThisThing@reddit
Treat their staff right
StillJustJones@reddit
M&S is not the ‘height of all things fancy’, anyone who feels that has led a sheltered life… or lives in a place where options are limited for ‘fancy’. (Fortnum & Mason is actual Fancy level imo).
M&S is good quality and as you say, above average… but it’s not quite John Lewis/waitrose and definitely not Booths (brilliant high class indie supermarket and grocers in the Cumbria/North West region).
legosneakersfan@reddit
The clothes in marks look like they are targeted to anyone over the age of 70 without any interest in fashion or design. I’m in my mid 40s are there is no way I’d shop there for clothes however marks is easily the best place to go food shopping and really isn’t more expensive than say Sainsbury’s or similar
Fraccles@reddit
It is in the un-adulteration of some foods. They use proper ingredients. I don't know how old you are but most of the basic ranges in other supermarkets don't really taste like they should or are very mean with the actual amount of meat in a pie, etc.
CountNo7955@reddit
When I was a little boy, M&S food was something mum would buy only for special occasions when we were having guests. I remember it always being a treat.
I'd never really bought M&S food until the lockdowns, when I started using the local M&S foodhall because they didn't have huge queues outside, unlike the supermarkets. I was impressed with the quality and still shop there now. I don't get all my shopping at M&S but for things like ready made curries (yeah, I know...) they much better than the other supermarkets. I tend to go in and treat myself to a few nice things when I'm in town.
I've also started buying some of my clothes there. For the 'smart casual' officeware of the 2020s, they're not bad. And frankly apart from John Lewis and Next, they're pretty much the only mensware retailer left in our town.
HowsThisSoHard@reddit
I’m almost turning 30 and have a lot of peers in their mid 30s. Something I’ve noticed is how much more people are starting to rate M&S. Seems to be something that comes with age so there’s probably some truth to it
Rocketintonothing@reddit
Good price, good food, none of that cheap stuff
Agniology@reddit
Bit of a niche, but their eccles cakes are the best I have ever eaten.
Ok_District_8034@reddit
they like to fund Israel which makes me not want to shop there
Smooshydoggy@reddit
As someone who has moved to the UK, this has always puzzled me. Despite the clothing being made in the global south, everyone acts like it’s British made!
technurse@reddit
Because the older generation are more fickle and think less critically
sullcrowe@reddit
M&S crisps, cookies (the cranberry & orange ones especially), the mini-treat tubs, all that kind of stuff is absolutely top tier.
iwanttobeacavediver@reddit
I can genuinely eat their coffee sponge roll all by myself.
jjgill27@reddit
I know with the clothes you used to be able to wash them forever before they fell apart. Generally quality materials and well made. Then the quality slipped, but they seem to be improving that.
The food is generally top tier. I went fruit picking one year and the order was M&S, then Waitrose then the rest of the supermarkets. They have a better quality of ingredients, generally.
Less prestige and as another poster said ‘solid and reliable’.
niknik789@reddit
I have M&S clothes that my aunt wore to work and handed down to me, I wore them to death - part of my regular work wardrobe, and I have now given them to my daughter who wore them for all her college interviews.
Sturdy stuff! And the true meaning of sustainable!
StormzysMum@reddit
Food Hall is really good standard. Also with the decline of department stores (sadly) it’s one of the few shops left where you can do a one stop shop of “bits” Pick up some food, a birthday card, some flowers, socks, men’s clothes, gifts etc. etc. All good quality and then if at a larger store like CMK, have a coffee and a sandwich in the cafe afterwards. I love M & S and would genuinely be gutted if they went into receivership. I shop there as much as possible and am of the mind, use it or lose it so it doesn’t go the way of other large chains.
Platform_Dancer@reddit
Things like the chicken etc in the curries is proper chicken....not glued together bits of grizzle!
vangstytivt@reddit
I feel like mainly is bc of their product quality, they have very strict rules or regulation on product quality control
Flea-Surgeon@reddit
It used to be good quality for the money, like an IKEA for underpants.
fanacapoopan@reddit
Love their ladies cotton knickers. I buy them by the 5 pack.
Annual-Ad-7780@reddit
The clothes they sell are really good quality, as a result though, they ain't cheap, although I bought 2 pairs of glasses from M&S Opticians last year for a tenner.
onemanandhishat@reddit
The more expensive but not outrageous given how clothes can go up in cost. They're in the spend more to save money kind of balance of cost and quality in my experience.
WilkoCEO@reddit
I just bought 2 new bras from there and it cost £20 each! They are excellent quality, so I don’t mind forking out every couple of years when I need new ones
Annual-Ad-7780@reddit
Biggest problem for me is due to my awkward body shape, shop bought clothes tend to be either too long in the legs or not big enough waistlines, hence I tend to shop at Primark, I know it's a bit of a social faux pas but they sell stuff that fits me so yeh.
WilkoCEO@reddit
I have the opposite problem, trousers tend to be too short in the leg for me. All of my other clothes come from Primark, it’s cheap, but I make it last me a long time before I buy new stuff, I couldn’t afford to shop in m&s regularly
Friendly_Fall_@reddit
My mum always bought Dorothy Perkins tall trousers at 5’9”. Thankfully I’m 5’7” and this seems to be the intended height for clothes. There’s not always enough boob room but at least it’s always the right length.
M&S bras go even cheaper on eBay
dinobug77@reddit
Having had to buy some post surgery bras for my wife I can absolutely say they have everything covered in the bra department! So many options for supportive non-underwired bras which really helped her having to wear one.
WilkoCEO@reddit
I hope that your wife recovers well, m&s is excellent in the bra department, and the ladies that do the fittings are lovely, always really polite and listen to your preferences
Friendly_Fall_@reddit
Their bras are really decent and quite cheap for bras even at full price, many styles go up to an H cup.
I have some sale button up cardigans and they’re really obviously all round nicer quality than my primark ones
bluetrainlinesss@reddit
My mum's from West Yorkshire and she speaks with pride about how M&S began as a stall on Leeds market. That sort of thing still counts for something with the oldies.
BroodLord1962@reddit
It's mainly personal preference, but what items you are talking about? Food wise they are in line with Waitrose, clothing they tend to be better quality than other high street brands, but I don't think anyone thinks of them as a prestige brand, and if people do feel that, it's probably because they have been doing quality for a long time.
timi22666@reddit
"Reliable quality" i could pick up the first thing i see in the fresh goods section without having to double check for rotten items i.e. you can't just pick up a bag of peppers in other supermarkets without first checking to see if one of the peppers is spoilt or slightly off, this doesn't really apply with M&S, same with their ready meals and other products. and i especially like when my brain goes "ohh that sounds interesting/tasty" in M&S as it usually ends up being a good buy unlike the disappoints found with other stores.
Kitchen_Owl_8518@reddit
They must be doing something right.
How many British Supermarkets have got a presence in the middle east?
VillageFeeling8616@reddit
The food is just on another level
94dogguy@reddit
I worked as a staff member there also and they really do treat their staff with the upmost respect. It was a joy to work there.
Yes they're more expensive in comparison to the Aldis and Lidls of the world but their food is always quality over quantity as are there clothing and they treat their staff so much better than those places.
KasamUK@reddit
My grandfather got given a set of M&S pyjamas as a wedding gift in the 40s, he still has them, wears them regularly and other than needing the elastic at some point in the 80s they are as purchased. It was quality like that that built M&S’s reputation.
ruggpea@reddit
On a similar note but not as awesome, I have underwear from 10-15 years ago that are still going strong. I think it must have been after this that the quality started to decline.
I remember Jeremy Paxman complaining the quality had dropped.
EmmaInFrance@reddit
I also have M&S knickers that are part of my daily rotation that are that old.
And I also have many M&S clothes that are at least 20 years old but worn far less often.
Greedy-Muffin-2542@reddit
I desperately want to see these historical artefacts!
Friendly_Fall_@reddit
I’m also curious to see these 80 year old jammies
alloftheplants@reddit
Back in the 80s, a family friend worked for a clothing broker. They were the importer and middle-man between a lot of the high-street shops and the actual factories that made their stuff to order. According to her, at the time, all the other high street shops, including some supposedly high end ones, would just count the boxes and load up.
When they passed on deliveries for M&S, they'd schedule extra time, as M&S staff would, without fail, take samples out for every item in the order, check things like seams and size consistency. They had a whole protocol to check against the orginal design, and if the material was flimsier than ordered, or the seams weren't good or anything wasn't right, they'd refuse the delivery of that item.
I have no idea if this difference still applies, but back in the day- yeah, they did have notably higher standards than other high street shops.
andrew0256@reddit
Even back earlier than that in the 80s various female members family friends worked in the clothes factories (the men worked down the puts) and if conversation got round to the job M&S always came up. They were ruthless apparently. They would turn up to carry out random inspections and check you were using the correct cloth or wool, before they got the quality of what was being produced. Any backsliding and you were in deep trouble. In those days suppliers took note and once the dominos were lined up the relationship was long lasting and beneficial for all. Needless to say those days have gone.
Appropriate-Bad-9379@reddit
My late mother was a machinist for the suppliers to Marks and Spencer in the 1950’s. Everything was checked thoroughly and anything not perfect was thrown back at you ( not literally!). You had to be good because they were paid “piece work “ and your wage relied on your skill…
andrew0256@reddit
I forgot the piece work bit. I hope the rate per item, allowing for inflation, was better than Shein in China as being reported in the news.
palpatineforever@reddit
M&S also had machines to stress test the fabrics for wear and piling, washing etc. so you could guarantee that the clothes would last well. they were realyl well known for quality.
They dont do anywhere near the same amount of testing anymore.
Chaosblast@reddit
I don't buy there often, but tbh their packaging and marketing is the best by a long mile. It feels great buying there, and all products feel premium. Even better than Waitrose.
I guess they follow different strategies though, but I love theirs.
tomlancaster_uj@reddit
I’m a regular shopper at Marks & Spencer. Over the past year, I’ve reviewed my bank account and it’s evident that they’re making a substantial profit from me as a customer. However, I’m content with being a customer because of their good quality and value. While their products aren’t cheap, they’re usually comparable or even superior to those offered by other market leaders.
There are some novelty products that can be overpriced, similar to Aldi’s special buy middle aisle, I guess.
I’ve noticed a decline in the quality of certain products, such as beef.
The deli selection 3 for £8, which was £7 just a year or 2 ago, has been severely limited, restricting my lunch options. Inflation will be the excuse.
On some occasion, I’ve purchased produce and brought it home only to find it rotten.
Other times, I’ve bought items and discovered that the price at the checkout was higher than what I had seen on the shelf.
While M&S isn’t flawless, in my opinion, it’s my preferred shopping destination.
However, compared to previous years, they seem to be prioritising profit over customer satisfaction. Therefore, I’m considering shopping elsewhere in the future.
Remagjaw@reddit
Its the fancy packaging theory. Marks and Spensers got a reputation, they put their mark / branding on a shepards pie. It's the same as a tesco or coop one. You pay for the place you shop at. But with online ordering, that will be everyone laughing at the fool.
Pale_Slide_3463@reddit
I love M&S but I have noticed they started changing on products like their pizzas are not the same any more there is way less sauce on them. Also the frozen pasties seem different also, but their fruit is next to none it lasts for ages and it actually tastes good, you can’t get good oranges in Tesco at all.
GroundbreakingRow817@reddit
Get a bag of their vegetables not even expensive ones but their cheap ones.
Not only well they last till you get home, unlike Asda.
Not only well they last till mid week, unlike aldi/lidl
Not only well they last till the weekend, unlike more expensive sainsburys
Not only well they last through the weekend, unlike fancy expensive waitrose.
They will still be there fully edible two, in some cases three weeks down the line more often than not.
This is before getting into things like their cheaper own brand sauces, breads, pastas, etc are just generally much higher quality and cheaper than non super market branded.
Plus last time I grabbed mince from my local one, it was £2.75 for 500g not even yellow sticker.
Just don't get their pre packaged meals or chicken unless you want to pay a fortune.
Good quality affordable staples, and not just in food but their general retail is starting to become good again too
siskins@reddit
Their fruit and veg kicks the shit out of everywhere else - I just get mine there now because they usually have good deals on veg and I got sick of spending £££ on fruit and veg from morrisons or Tesco that went off in two seconds
Mother_Lemon8399@reddit
In terms of clothing they have a constantly available good quality /fair price basic range. I'm talking plain black tops/underwear/tights/socks etc. They always have everything in my size when I go. The store is never messy and everything is easy to find.
I just stopped bothering going anywhere else for these essentials.
OldMadhatter-100@reddit
I love their jeans. They fit look great wash well and are comfortable. I have no complaints about the price either.
PlatformFeeling8451@reddit
Their Bloody Mary Chutney is top-tier
Important_Spread1492@reddit
Just try some of their "to go" sandwiches and there's such a difference in quality to any other supermarket. And such a huge selection too. Their salad range is amazing too.
Clothes wise, it is so refreshing as a woman to have somewhere to shop that will stock practical, no nonsense clothes when everywhere else is stocking idiotic things like cropped jumpers.
cheesecutter13@reddit
Because they used to make decent clothes over here. My ex wife used to make their underwear. Now it’s your typical far east sweat shop nonsense but people still look on M and S as the quintessential British brand
yikdan@reddit
No, it’s over rated - it looks fancy.
ApprehensiveChip8361@reddit
In the 70s and 80s there were no other places to get eg t-shirts, work shirts, woollen jumpers, underwear that was anywhere near as good quality for the price. And the food was extraordinarily good compared to anywhere else. Then other places started to catch up on food a bit, and then the clothing lines tried to go trendy and failed. They are beginning to get it back though. I was in a Uniqlo recently and it was a similar feel to M&S of old - simple, well made and well priced.
spvcxghxztpvrp@reddit
I have a colleague in her 60's and all she bangs on about is Sainsbury's and M&S as though it makes her "upper class".
She lives in a terraced house and drives a Fiesta. It's like she has an inferiority complex and is terrified of people thinking she's just a normal working class woman. Really is tragic.
ResidentOk3447@reddit
I know someone exactly like that, putting on a posh accent until the real them slips out
spvcxghxztpvrp@reddit
She says pacific instead of specific, hospickle, chimley instead of chimney. Anything my children have achieved her nephews have achieved more.
Any illness I have she's had it worse. I just can't fathom being someone like that, the mind boggles. It has to be some kind of deep seated insecurity surely?
Greedy-Muffin-2542@reddit
Chimley 😂
jambitool@reddit
Blimley
Low-Cauliflower-5686@reddit
I know people who avoid Sainsbury's because it's posh
durkheim98@reddit
You're describing my aunt. She thinks the Daily Mail is a high-brow broadsheet newspaper.
miuipixel@reddit
the quality of food and drink and also the most basic items are sometimes cheaper than other supermarkets
ldn-ldn@reddit
M&S clothes are good, but I don't understand why people are raving about their food. It's meh at best and they don't stock non-M&S food, so there's no point going there. Yeah, Sainsbury's own branded food might be worse, but who buys that crap anyways?
Emergency_Mistake_44@reddit
They sell good quality clothes, good quality food and just about everything in between gift wise. There's a misconception about their prices too. Their food range isn't much different in price (but sure is in quality) to the likes of Tesco and Sainsbury's.
As for their clothes, they're really good quality and last. I got a plain black tracksuit from there a few months ago which set me back £45 and the equivalent in Primark is still £25 and, from experience, won't last nearly as long.
Even their socks, a typical 5 pack of whites is only £9 compared to Primark's £6 and way better in quality.
TheocraticAtheist@reddit
The food at least is just amazing. Expensive but just total quality.
Jazzlike-Mistake2764@reddit
All the food is good, but M&S sundaes are god tier. If you haven't tried one, you're missing out.
Properly fresh cream, thick chocolate that doesn't taste like it came out of a packet, a healthy chunk of brownie... that right there is the best encapsulation of how much more seriously they take food compared to the likes of Tesco.
Bacon4Lyf@reddit
They’re good for work clothes, and the stores are just nicer to be in than the jumble sales that are Aldi or Lidl
Waitrose is nicer still but they don’t do clothes
Then_Slip3742@reddit
It's much better food than pretty much anywhere else on the high street.
And it is much nicer to actually shop there than in Lidl or Aldi.
e4ghc@reddit
My nan considered them the tip top of supermarkets so I do too
Firecrocodileatsea@reddit
Food is excellent, clothes are decent (not as good as they were but better than most of comparable price) sadly they have inaccessible electronic checkouts I cannot get my frame or wheelchair around and I have to chase the one staff member as they cut those too around my local M&S if I ever want to make a purchase, so I no longer do.
PoetryNo912@reddit
I don't know about fancy, but it's pretty much the only place I can get all cotton, high waisted knickers that don't look 100% like granny pants and also last a reasonable amount of time.
Their white cotton t-shirts are also still thick enough so they aren't see-through, unlike every other high street shop in my town which has decreased thread count to keep prices lower.
hang-clean@reddit
Keeps the riffraff out of F&M.
Sidebottle@reddit
It's a department store, they made their name for being luxurious and good quality.
A lot of department stores underwent enshitification. Cutting costs and therefore quality. M&S did as well, but to a lesser degree, although they seem to have realised what their strengths are and sticking to that.
They have their reputation the same way John Lewis has their reputation.
CrossRoadChicken@reddit
Is it classed as a department store?
Sidebottle@reddit
Probably not strictly speaking. I do think it belongs more in the same group as Debenhams, John lewis, House of Fraser rather than say Next or River Island.
Issui@reddit
M&S food is the closest thing this country has to a nice supermarket, bar booths. I'm Mediterranean, food is of particular importance to me, I don't shop anywhere else.
The department store is all right as well, I see it as a bit of a Uniqlo. Great for basics but you'll never be stylish wearing exclusively their stuff.
Ah and in our household we migrated all service toiletries to the apothecary range, from Aesop. Half the price and IMHO a wonderful range of scents.
Aim_for_average@reddit
Egg custards mate. Could live off them. Not for long though, obviously.
OwnUse237@reddit
Work there, that magic disappears real quick
Alternative_Chain330@reddit
Their clothes are good. I have several seta of brqs and knickers that have lasted ages.
Also, once you have their ready meals, you won't want to go near a reasy meal from a pleb supermarket.
MattyLePew@reddit
Because it’s literally the best quality food you’ll find in supermarkets. Anybody that disagrees has likely got an unfortunate lack of M&S exposure!
Endless_road@reddit
I go to m&s once a week as a treat with the Mrs and I think it’s above and beyond Tesco. Particularly for their precooked stuff; they have by far the best supermarket ribs I’ve ever had.
snozburger@reddit
Marketing.
grgext@reddit
I remember studying geography for GCSE, and we were taught that at the time property prices were linked to three locality of an M&S store.
adyslexicgnome@reddit
Yeah, the quality of M&S was brilliant, along with C&A, Littlewoods & others.
Every major town had an M&S, quality, strong, well fitted clothes.
Now, not so much.
Ok_Bike239@reddit
I love Marks & Sparks, but personally much prefer Waitrose. If M&S is gold, then Waitrose is platinum.
UniqueAssignment3022@reddit
Iv think the adverts marketing definitely helped but it is good stuff and easily accessible in most places which helps
FlowerSubstantial796@reddit
Actually, M&S is good. It's good quality and depending upon what you buy it can be cheaper than most other supermarkets. For example, a whole chicken costs the same as tesco but is three times the size.
BarnabyBundlesnatch@reddit
IMO, the thing that makes markies the best, is the shopping in the app. I dont need to go near the checkouts. And over christmas, thats god send. You walk in with a bag, fill your boots, pay in the app, and then leave. Simple and simple can be. Love it.
dadreflexes@reddit
I absolutely fuck with every element of M&S and I’m early 30s and quite hip
No_Welder_1043@reddit
It's not just food, it's M&S food.
MaxBulla@reddit
their fruit and veg is a cut above all the other supermarkets and worth whatever extra it may cost.
Final_Flounder9849@reddit
Fruit and veg suppliers grade their produce. M&S and Waitrose buy the highest grade whereas other supermarkets don’t.
iamacup@reddit
It's not just quality, its consistency.
The food is always good quality, the clothes are always good quality.
This is driven by higher prices for certain stuff, and not as wider a selection - and they certainly cornered the market on ready meals that aren't totally unhealthy.
This drives a certain client set that has enough money to spend there - which drives a virtuous cycle of no fights in the frozen section, the bigger shops outside of London not weighing anything in self scan you can just do what you want etc.
Sometimes you just want a guaranteed nice experience - that's what it offers.
ZanzibarGuy@reddit
My lasting memory of M&S from 35ish years ago (I'm no longer in the UK) was their take on the Bounty.
Coconut Grove?
TravelOver8742@reddit
I know someone who worked in a meat packing factory. He said Half the hamburger pattys were packaged in lidil wrapping, and the other half M&S packaging
Illustrious-Log-3142@reddit
Something I've noticed after paying more attention to ultra-processed foods is that products from M&S appear less processed in general. Based on what I've learned about UPF this supports the higher price points and actually makes me happy to pay more. I notice it with non-food products too, I bought my mum a bunch of flowers there and they lasted weeks then dried out so nicely that she kept them. It's the little things.
mikemac1997@reddit
It's cheaper than tesco these days and great quality. Give their garlic bread a try.
ChangingMonkfish@reddit
Food - noticeably higher quality than other supermarkets, although you pay for it.
Clothing - perhaps a little boring style wise. But if you’re not after something cutting edge then it’s high quality.
JoKeR111402@reddit
Their cookies are unreal.
Friendly_Fall_@reddit
I used to buy their reduced ready meals because they were so cheap, all their vegan curry things are pretty high quality. Tried a sainsburys one once expecting the same and it was gross gloop.
They do decent quality affordable bras in a moderate cup size range as well.
They however don’t seem to sell potato scones and that’s pretty weird.
SD92z@reddit
It can't hold a candle to Booths...
a_llama_drama@reddit
You know it's going to be at least good. The number of times I've bought chicken from morrisons or asda and it's slimy the day I bought it. It's not even that much more expensive, unless you are buying the more luxurious items, but for someone who only really eats chicken, beef, vegetables, fruits, yoghurt, ham sandwiches and weetabix, it doesn't cost much more.
If you buy the fancy biscuits, chocolates and ready to cook meals, it makes it more expensive. There are definitely some over priced (but really nice) items, but I have these as a rare indulgence and they aren't a part of the regular weekly shop.
It actually works out cheaper if you buy all branded foods at asda or morrisons. M&s only really do their own brands and it is actually as good if not better than branded, despite being cheaper.
Also, since the price of everything went up, the main supermarkets have dropped quality to try and keep prices low, but the prices have still gone up there and the quality is noticably poor. I'll pay a bit extra for food which i don't describe as poor quality.
tylerthe-theatre@reddit
Cos it's not just food... its M&S food
Lord-of-Mogwai@reddit
It’s got a lot better recently. Best fresh fruit and a decent bakery. The thing I dislike is their own brand confectionery, like why make fake jelly babies (they suck)
Blue_wine_sloth@reddit
I try to avoid gelatine so I like their Percy pigs and fizzy Colin caterpillars!
Shoddy-Reply-7217@reddit
They were one of the first UK shops to have a good procurement policy (no sweatshops, transparent from factory to shop), they have good customer service, treat their staff right (good maternity policies etc and ethical business practices).
My mum used to work there when I was little (1970s) and swore blind that they were the best employer she ever had.
They may seem boring and dowdy but I'm a world where Shein and Temu are perpetuating unsafe factories and fast throwaway fashion that trashes the planet, I feel more and more comfortable shopping with places like M&S.
xp3ayk@reddit
As someone who avoids UPF, the amount of industrial fillers in M&S is a lot less. Lots of their ready packages foods are made just of actual ingredients rather than building agents or gums.
BobBobBobBobBobDave@reddit
The food is genuinely good.
The clothes are reasonably solid and dependable, but not anything special.
It was better in the past. Their coats, shirts, socks etc. were good quality and lasted ages. I don't think that is so true any more.
Blue_wine_sloth@reddit
I get their pjs for Christmas every year and have noticed a decline in quality over the past 5-10 years. Still good but they don’t last as long.
chikcaant@reddit
M&S quality is consistent in my opinion. If I buy something from M&S I know it will taste good. Especially fruits - M&S fruits are bloody expensive but the times I do splash out, I'm never disappointed
Kenjiin88@reddit
I didn’t get it either, until I tried their sweet and salty pretzel fudge mini bites.
My eyes were opened.
Your_name_here28@reddit
I once worked at M&S when I was a teenager. They will accept anything back and give you a full refund. During one of my very first shifts a lady walked right up to me and stuffed something wrapped in tinfoil into my hand. She then proceeded to tell me she had bought this chicken and she didn’t like it so wanted her money back. Even though it had already been half cooked and eaten and had no receipt. Dear reader, she got a full refund. I was horrified.
R-Mutt1@reddit
I don't think they're up to Waitrose standards for quality and choice of food, but then you're more likely to have a Marks on your high street.
Others have mentioned consistency and reliability in terms of both food and clothing over the whole of our lifetimes, and while their fashion had a dip, I think what they now do is great.
Must be my age, but I'm grateful for somewhere that does work trousers in a range of lengths and fits, instead of a dozen different makes of light wash ripped jeans. Their casual stuff doesn't look to bad either IMO.
unbelievablydull82@reddit
I love marks. The food is generally excellent, their bakery soda bread is the best outside of my mother's. Their frozen beef bone broth and chicken bone broth are really handy to have in the freezer, and I use their frozen garlic butter in a chickpea and vegetable soup. I'm also a sucker for their musical biscuit tins at Xmas.
El_Zilcho@reddit
M&S are on my shit list. I bought salad items for Christmas day tea on Christmas eve in 2023. Half of it was fucking rotten, I only buy from quality establishments now like Lidl.
Whoisthehypocrite@reddit
Years ago Woolworths in South Africa used to get advice from M&S on how to improve its offering. Now go to South Africa and see how Woolworths absolutely blows M&S away in its quality.
To be fair it applies across the industry. The South Africa supermarkets have dramatically improved and I was blown away when I was there on holiday recently. Makes ours seem third world rather than the other way round.
demolition_lvr@reddit
I’m 34, male and I love M&S.
As a man, it feels like one of the last clothes shops left on the high street to be honest, and definitely of that size. It’s the only place I can go for a browse.
The quality is much better than elsewhere and the clothes last longer. A lot of their clothes are really quite simple which means you can quite easily tailor any look out of them. I transitioned to shopping from Topman to M&S and I don’t think anyone would ever notice, or that I dress particularly differently either!
Strangely, my step-dad, who is in his late 50s, outright refuses to shop in M&S because it’s ’for old people’.
Accomplished_Unit863@reddit
You answered your own question. It was a prestige brand until the mid 90's. It lost its way a bit when out of town shopping became the norm.
andrew0256@reddit
M&S found it difficult to adjust when throwaway fashion became a thing about 20 years ago. Prior to that they made their clothes in the UK and the quality was top notch. It had to be because your gear was expected to last years. All those people saying quality had declined weren't wrong but they were also to blame, because they didn't want to pay for that quality.
When M&S decided their older, well heeled customers were no longer welcome things really went, ahem, tits up, and not just in the lingerie section. The choices for women were confusing and when my wife tried to interest our daughter's the youngest said the choices were just not on her radar.
Meanwhile in the men's section the shop sailed on. Dependable, last for years, not too expensive and respectable for work and casual attire. I think the brand was saved by the food offering which was more then good.
More recently they seemed to have sorted out the ladies stuff. Whether those ladies source their knickers there again is something they will have to comment on, but my youngest can be seen in there now.
dbxp@reddit
I don't think M&S is the best in any market but they cover a lot of markets and they're consistently good, it's a mark of reliable quality
Purrtymeow04@reddit
well to be fair the quality of their food is good, cafe and groceries, so I like to do my grocery shopping there. They have some quality clothing too
jadenoodle@reddit
Their clothing was really high quality right up until about the mid 90s
FeiRoze@reddit
My partner used to work at M&S and she used to regularly bring home some pretty nice food. It's hard to explain, but M&S food just tastes real.
Kyla_3049@reddit
Because there is no fillers and other crap used.
reuben_iv@reddit
they had a really clever ‘not just any…’ ad campaign back in the day that paired well with their food actually being quite good
Generally other brands’ ‘special’ ranges are about on par in price and quality they just lacked the marketing m&s had
rob849@reddit
I’m young and pretty cost conscious but most of their ready meals are decent even if small. 3 for 2 deals are usually good for a couple, you just share one. Also the quality is above other supermarkets and you can taste the ingredients are better. There’s always more meat in them too.
However their fluffy pancakes have been replicated by Sainsbury’s. Can’t remember if they are any cheaper but they taste exactly the same.
Crazyblondie11@reddit
M&S used to be regarded as good quality before it outsourced its manufacturing overseas years ago. Clothing used to be made in the UK. I mean it’s not bad now but the styles are a bit hit & miss. Food is lush though.
Thebadgerio@reddit
Every young person remembers the day they woke up with a realisation that they are ready to shop at M&S. Few look back, even if their stretchy jeans easily allow for such an act.
zephyrthewonderdog@reddit
Someone who works on the supermarket supply chain told me most supermarket food is supplied by the same bunch of big suppliers. It is then rebranded for the individual supermarket. A random chicken could ended up on the shelf of any supermarket for example. The suppliers would supply Tesco, Asda, Aldi, whoever.
M&S however had its own supply chain standards. Suppliers get graded by M&S as a bronze, silver or gold partner if they can match particular quality standards. That means most suppliers have a special M&S food section if they want to become regular suppliers. So food has to pass the usual standards for supply to supermarkets but additional standards to be supplied to M&S.
ClarifyingMe@reddit
I had things my mum bought from m&s before we immigrated to the UK still in tip top condition until just a few years ago. When they moved their manufacturing in 97-99 (I forgot the exact year), it became the gradual decline of quality.
Due_Figure6451@reddit
Try their Mac and Cheese balls and come back to this.
EdwardBear6419@reddit
I think the prestige mainly comes from the fact nearly every town has one so everyone has experienced it or spoken to someone that has.
Personally I think the quality is excellent and well deserved recognition.
XihuanNi-6784@reddit
But that wouldn't set it apart from say, Sainsbury's so there's got to be more to it that that. I suspect it's because it peaked at a time when there weren't as many quality or 'luxury' brands available to the average person. M&S would have been one of the only quality brands available at all, to almost anyone except those who happened to be extremely wealthy and live in London. Now of course you can buy that stuff online no matter where you are so M&S has the reputation but it seems inflated because it's not that amazing.
ubiquitous_uk@reddit
They are excellent for food.
They used to be excellent for clothes too, but decided to go down thr route of importing clothing that led to a drastic drop in quality. They are slowly getting that back, but theres still a way to go.
Jensen1994@reddit
M&S seem to have a very good procurement department. They are adept at picking product lines that are higher than average quality and this runs through both their food and clothing. Kudos where it is due.
Rossco1874@reddit
I always complain about the price but never really had an issue with quality.
My biggest complaint about them has to be their Christmas toilet paper having red berries on them. I got a fright first time I wiped and thought had blood in my poo.
BusyBeeBridgette@reddit
I used to work a till any years back at M&S 14 years back or so. The stuff they can't sell - Things with damaged boxes, or near expiration dates, they'd sell to their staff at a drastically reduced price. Used to be able to do a weeks food shop for 20 quid, tops lol.
theflickingnun@reddit
It's my favourite shop, the food is great quality.
Effective-End-8180@reddit
It’s the quality of food for me. You buy a curry for example will be more than Tesco etc but there’s actually chicken in it 😂
EastOfArcheron@reddit
Food and clothes all good quality for a decent price. They will take anything back within reason. Just a solid, good quality shop.
Nyx_Necrodragon101@reddit
Good quality, things last a long time and the food is smashing all without pulling your pants down over the price.
Training-Play@reddit
Their quality and consistency is top tier.
Active_Remove1617@reddit
Add extra sugar, cream and butter to everything and jack up your prices. That’s M&S.
Ok-Fox1262@reddit
St Michael is the patron saint of underpants.
If you want something good quality, but maybe a bit boring, like underpants then M&S.
Greedy-Muffin-2542@reddit
The quality is undeniably better and they've been consistent with it which is impressive for a company that's 140 years old.
Historical-Car5553@reddit
M&S long had a reputation for good quality clothing and food. The clothing wasn’t particularly fashionable, but for the staples; underwear, gents suits, shirts, ladies blouses, skirts etc., it was decent quality in decent styling and would last. On the food side again the quality was good with some fancy lines.
In the north up to the late 90s / early 2000s there was no Waitrose so M&S was along with Sainsbury’s the quality supermarket offer, as Tesco hadn’t yet raised their game to become a closer competitor to Sainsbury’s.
As mentioned elsewhere M&S lost much of that advantage with poor management decisions and the activities of its rivals.
Exact-Put-6961@reddit
The north, often has Booths ,which improves on Waitrose and M&S.
CharringtonCross@reddit
The food is consistently good quality
presterjohn7171@reddit
M&S clothes used to last decades. They are now one or two steps up from fast fashion. They are decent quality but not what they were.
underwater-sunlight@reddit
Their clothes went through years and years of looking old and frumpy... it sort of catered more towards the older generation, that was probably their main customer base, but even then was not the most exciting and they were struggling for years.
We have gotten some really lovely clothes for our daughter, who is 5. The quality is better than other places we use, price is probably closer to brands like next than supermarkets, but lasts longer.
This is the second year that we have went into a store after Christmas and grabbed a few nice sets for the year on sale.
As for the food. A little more expensive than other supermarkets, their own brand stuff better than the competitors for me. I would get a lot more from there if I had a local store
Jerico_Hill@reddit
I have a reputation amongst my friends for cooking a great roast. In reality, I just buy the ingredients from M&S and that's most of the battle over and done with before you start. It's just better and I'm thrilled I can afford to shop there now.
ashisanandroid@reddit
Practically, because they have decent owners. A lot of major British brands in the past 15 years have been deeply mismanaged by short-term profiteering and outside investment. M&S do have owners but they seem to have focused on long term stable growth.
Fun_Gas_7777@reddit
Because their food is the best.
niall626@reddit
One thing I noticed is the meat is just meat no added water to inflate the weight like most other shops also ready meals are top notch and very different from other supermarkets You couldn't really make it better yourself on some produce.
InfiniteBaker6972@reddit
But some fruit from one of the food halls. Then you’ll understand.
Vegetable-Acadia@reddit
Some of their food is unbelievable. I like the shop but think you've got to be smart about it. Some things are ridiculously expensive but you can actually get a decent chunk of your weekly shop for not much more than elsewhere
Kandschar@reddit
High quality ingredients and produce. Same with Waitrose. Makes it worth spending the extra £20-30 for my weekly shop.
They also both have a vast array of items compared to your average supermarket.
Projected2009@reddit
You've been duped my friend.
Character-Bar-8650@reddit
The food is great and the film actually peels off 😂
Projected2009@reddit
It's fair to say that their standard of quality used to be higher. But that isn't the case now. Thanks to standardized QA procedures, the product is universally the same. Most goods come from the same original manufacturers (think food, clothing & electricals), then different labels are added.
There are bargain-basement Chinese alternatives, but even these have to achieve minimum quality standards to qualify for sale in the West.
Consistent-Salary-35@reddit
The food is excellent. Whatever I buy I know I’m going to like and it always tastes fresh. Added to that, I never get a nasty surprise at the checkout. We have a Waitrose in town and I don’t know what the fuss is about compared to M&S - and it’s always £10 over what I think the bills going to be.
Mustbejoking_13@reddit
Bear in mind that everything used to be better. M&S are still better, but maybe not by so much. They have dropped prices on lots of things so as to not be vastly dissimilar to everyone else.
Overall:
Their food tastes nicer. Their curries, pies and stews have more meat in them.
Their clothes are generally better quality and less 'fast fashion'.
trysca@reddit
I dunno we went a bit wild in m&s over Christmas and after 3 months if Morrisons I'd say they jyutify the hype on the whole
No-Investment6476@reddit
I have always found the clothing I get from there out performs clothing I get elsewhere, pound for pound. For example I got a thick cotton over shirt/jacket thing for about £30 that I've used for welding, fabrication and forge work and other than the welding causing some of the colour to fade it is still on top top condition three years later. It has fewer holes than my leather welding jacket and it doesn't go hard and brittle like previous welding jackets. So although each item may cost more than its equivalent elsewhere, it isn't much more expensive but it is much better quality.
_Ghost_07@reddit
Their food is fantastic.
InternationalRide5@reddit
For a long time M&S had a policy of buying from British suppliers and for stringent quality control in their suppliers - they would have their own inspectors in the factories etc.
They also had a reputation for treating their staff well, so you got staff who'd been there a long time and knew their stock, could measure customers correctly, and they had a good returns policy.
Roylemail@reddit
Solid brand that doesn’t appear to have cheapened out on products. It’s not actually that expensive their own brand stuff is better than most named stuff and cheaper
pikantnasuka@reddit
Reliable, consistent, things lasted. Was never going to be exciting but didn't need to be.
Business-Spring760@reddit
M&S food is unreal. I’ll hear no slander here
Redzoneblues@reddit
When you get a good side from M&S they are unreal. Price has also I would say improved since covid
LalaLovesIt777@reddit
I tend to agree that the quality is pretty decent and they bring out new, fairly novel products. Their ready meals, fresh and tinned soups, sandwiches and salads are excellent compared to other supermarkets. A lot of towns have lost their delis, bakery’s etc so marks fills that gap for me.
BaBeBaBeBooby@reddit
Food quality is top notch
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