Final draft of Gaza truce deal presented after 'breakthrough'
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pm-me-nothing-okay@reddit
We have been here before, and last time it got reneged at the last hour after both sides agreed to the terms when bibi decided otherwise. Israel needs to lock him down otherwise they will never reach another ceasefire.
inb4 people tell me thats exactly what israel wants....
AVeryBadMon@reddit
No, this time is different. Even if Hamas is a terrorist group, even they're not dumb enough to not see the writing on the wall here. They got bitched by Israel completely and utterly, and there's no way to save face at this point. If the group wants to remain in power, which they do, then their only choice is to pursue a peace deal at all costs, even if it means conceding to most of Israel's demands. If they don't get a deal done within the next few weeks, then Netanyahu, with the blessings of Trump, will completely level Gaza and then some.
pm-me-nothing-okay@reddit
I dont think they were ever seeking a military victory, what they gained was a monumental strike against israel politically. Support in america continues to spiral downward generation after generation toward a trajectory that of russian levels, they dont even need to really target anyone else other then america either as they are the sole vetoing power keeping the status quo over there.
I have a feeling Hamas got what they wanted out of the situation and will wait 4 years to see how the political winds end up again.
AVeryBadMon@reddit
I disagree, support for Israel in America always fluctuates during times of war and goes back up during times of peace. It's not just America, that's everywhere. Not like that matters because support for Israel is still notoriously strong in America across every single generation despite the war. If terrorist attacks were as effective politically as you're claiming, then the 2015 Paris attacks or 9/11 would've caused devastating political blows against France and the US... but that didn't happen. Instead, both ISIS and Al Qaeda got destroyed.
I don't think there's any 4d chess gains here. I think it's as straightforward as it seems, Hamas lost just about everything. Consider the following:
Their original chain of command was eliminated entirely
Their weapon stashes were destroyed
Their tunnel networks were mapped and destroyed
Their communication infrastructure was destroyed
Gaza got leveled because of their actions and tens of thousands are dead
Their biggest ally in the region, Hezbollah, was systemically dismantled and neutered
Without Hezbollah, the Assad regime fell in Syria, and because of that, the Iranian proxies in Syria and Lebanon got destroyed... so the land route to Hezbollah is now gone
Their biggest backer, Iran, got embarrassed by having Haniyah assassinated in Tehran
Their other ally in the region, the Houthis, are getting bombed again
They called for their state allies to join in their holy war, but literally none did, which shows nobody takes them seriously
And now Israel is most definitely going to keep it's military presence in the strip permanently (they already retook control the Philadelphi corridor and are building new ones that cut through the strip)
Has the propaganda points they gained against Israel worth the losses that they took? I don't think so. I mean it's been over a year and Israel hasn't weakened at all. If anything, they're stronger than ever with Trump coming back into office. The international community hasn't don't anything outside of strongly worded letters and humanitarian aid, and this is including Palestine's biggest allies. The most that happened is South Africa's ICC case, but it's looking more and more likely, that the court is going to end up ruling in Israel's favor. I guess they managed to get a few countries (9 to be exact) to recognize Palestine since the war started, but this coming at the cost of Israel becoming more emboldened to have stronger presence in both territories.
Not to mention that the people of Gaza are going to remember this war for the rest of their lives, and they're not going to be as happy about the results of this war no matter how Hamas tries to sell it. Whatever deal Hamas will end up striking with Israel is going to involve them making heavy concessions. Considering how their whole shtick up to this point has been that has been that they're most staunchly anti-Israeli force, seeing such a deal is going to piss a lot of Palestinians off, especially from those who have lost everything in this war. Basically after this war is done, Hamas can be sure that their legitimacy is going to take a hit so they might not be around for another 4 years to try another attack. I think Hamas is facing a complete defeat at this point.
pm-me-nothing-okay@reddit
I dont even know where you are getting your information from.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/07/11/most-israelis-express-confidence-in-biden-but-his-ratings-are-down-from-trumps/
Positive views of israel is almost entirely held up by boomers, those of age 65 and older, starting at 69% approval rating and every generation beyond that continually drops by ~10% towards the lowest bracket being 41% approval rating. As seen on the last visual.
This isnt a boat, these figures are not even on the actions in gaza specifically, just israel proper. You say relations are strong and yet support for them is so divisive it played a large role in the democrats losing there election. Last time this was brought it was somewhere between 15-20% of his voter base dropped him because of this key issue in the swing states. The dems obviously have a catastrophe on that front for this being such a divisive topic within the party costing them an election. So i genuinely dont know how you can say ipso facto they are "going strong". Republican? sure, but they are only half the political make-up, whereas the dems is nearing almost opposite.
I just genuinely dont know where you got your information, because nothing ive seen from reputable agencies corroborated your opinion on that front.
As for everything else, your forgetting the key factor that America is the sole arbiter of keeping that region in the status quo both militarily and politically, once america goes, so does u.n veto power and thats the carte blanche check that Israel has been cashing without repercussion for the past 100 years. Is israel france or america? no. Hamas doesnt need to fight the same type of war as with a global power, they just need to segregate the world power from there affairs, and this past escalation of violence made larger strides in that then ever before.
loggy_sci@reddit
Aside from a 2 year old public opinion poll, what evidence do you have that the war in Gaza is separating the U.S. from Israel?
pm-me-nothing-okay@reddit
for someone who didn't even bring a single link to the party, thats an awfully bold comment to make.
aside from the paragraph I literally talk about in my post? well.....its in my post.
loggy_sci@reddit
You said that Gaza lost Harris 15-20% of votes in swing states. Anything to back up this claim?
pm-me-nothing-okay@reddit
https://inthesetimes.com/article/poll-yougov-uncommitted-biden-gaza-trump-election-battleground-states
yougov cites 20%
https://www.commondreams.org/news/13-ex-biden-voters-gaza
second group cites 13%, and there's another half dozen polls with numbers in between.
loggy_sci@reddit
I’m not looking for what Common Dreams predicted would happen in May 2024 before Biden even dropped out.
I’m looking for data about what actually happened in Nov 2024.
NetworkLlama@reddit
Israel has had its nose bloodied on the world political stage, but they're coming out of this whole mess in a better position overall. When Hezbollah started to get in on it, Israel systematically annihilated the leadership and much of it weapons stores, dramatically weakening it. That caused Hezbollah to pull many of its forces that had been supporting the Assad regime out of Syria. When Iran's two attacks on Israel turned out to be mostly pointless, rebels began to realize that Iran was a paper tiger on that front, and with Russia having pulled significant forces out to fight in Ukraine, Assad's days were numbered (though no one knew just how small that number was at the time).
Now, Lebanon's army is in the south of the country, a place it hasn't been in any real numbers for many years, Lebanon finally has a president after two years when Hezbollah's political arm realized they didn't have the strength to block his appointment, Hamas and Hezbollah are a shell of what they were pre-war, Hezbollah doesn't know whom it can trust, Iran can't supply either one in any real numbers, and there's a chance (how big is still not clear) that Syria, while perhaps not becoming a friend of Israel, won't be an outright enemy, either, and won't allow Iran to resupply Hezbollah.
Basically, Hamas achieved little other than a massive rearrangement of the political layout of the region, with possibly more to come. With Trump coming in, there will be a strong push for Saudi Arabia to formally recognize Israel, and Syria could get pushed to do the same.
And Netanyahu isn't going anywhere for a bit. There aren't enough votes in the Knesset for a no-confidence vote, and the next scheduled Israeli elections aren't until October 2026. Even if there were a no-confidence vote, no one could put together a majority to pick a new PM, and Israel would go back into the perpetual elections, with Netanyahu likely the caretaker PM. No one can get a clear majority right now, but both Likud and Netanyahu's polling have been drifting upward in the last six months. With a peace deal, Saudi recognition, at least some of the remaining hostages (dead and alive) coming back, and a return of the troops from Gaza and southern Lebanon and the concomitant economic boost, he might win the next election, too. If Hamas waits three or four years and tries something else, they'll be doing it with even fewer resources than this last time, and Netanyahu will have even less patience and quite possibly much less restraint on the part of the US administration.
Virtual-Pension-991@reddit
What people don't realize in their criticisms is that Netanyahu is a capable son of a bitch who cornered Israel's policies and administrative authority.
NetworkLlama@reddit
For most of a year after the initial attack, people here kept declaring that it was the end of Netanyahu's career, that as soon as the war ended, he was gone for good. A few said that he was keeping the war going because it extended his political career, but he was gone without it.
While I agreed at the time that he was keeping the war going in part because it benefited and protected him, I warned repeatedly that the guy is an utterly brilliant political strategist, and his political demise was by no means certain even when his personal approval ratings were in the 30s. He's slipped on out of so many scandals in the past that even this was not a guarantee.
This was not a popular take, but I am more and more confident that it's the correct one. I think people were too blinded by their opposition to the actions in Gaza. If Syria stabilizes with a non-antagonistic platform towards Israel and Hezbollah remains weakened, the Gaza atrocities will be largely forgotten because the peace is more important. If somehow Iran undergoes another revolution in the next few years, he's going to end up in history books right next to David Ben-Gurion as a great protector of the Jewish state, shuffling Golda Meir down a slot.
GothicGolem29@reddit
Hamas got two of their leaders assassinated so if that was their goal they paid a heavy price for it
NearABE@reddit
USA needs to just cut off aid. Either Netanyahoo would cave in promptly or the locals would boot him out of power quite soon afterwards.
ChefCurryYumYum@reddit
Israel owns the US government so you know the aid will never be cut.
ClevelandDawg0905@reddit
Why? Gaza is a mess. Let the Israeli handle it. Gaza offers the world nothing. The aid gets highjack by Hamas. It's key inferential allies included Assad, Khamenei, Bin Laden, Saddam and Baghdadi.
Hazeium@reddit
Absolutely clueless and delusional take. What else could I expect from an American.
Disastrous_Visit_778@reddit
Well, satans getting your spot in Hell nice and warm. enjoy
Nurple-shirt@reddit
Same for you for ignoring the current genocide in Sudan.
Copranicus@reddit
Lets assume they don't know, or care about the conflict in Sudan.
How does that make the genocide in Gaza ok?
Does that make defending/minimizing the genocide in Gaza any less morally repugnant?
Or to go back to the original argument; do you believe you can argue your way past the pearly gates while defending the crap that goes on Gaza by saying "but someone else didn't condemn... Sudan, therefore my genocide is... Just? Justified?"
Personally I think, like it's seemingly so often, that this simply is ragebait in an attempt to derail the discussion.
Disastrous_Visit_778@reddit
nice try i have been calling for boycott of the UAE for over a year
Nurple-shirt@reddit
Boycotting the UAE won’t do anything to stop the genocide. All you are doing is virtue signaling. Seems kind of low effort.
Disastrous_Visit_778@reddit
idk what youre trying to prove. ive volunteered and helped raise tens of thousands of dollars for humanitarian aid last year. go touch grass
Nurple-shirt@reddit
That you’ll have as much of a spot in hell than the one you wished it upon.
NearABE@reddit
There is only trivial amounts of aid going from USA to Gaza. What is sent is frequently blocked. Egypt could easily feed the population there if Egyptian trucks were allowed to transport supplies into Gaza.
Anyway I was talking about military aid. I am not opposed to rebuilding the damage done in Gaza City. If we stopped donating bombs there could be less to rebuild. Though not much structural survived.
mycargo160@reddit
Not one single word of that was true. Not one.
AFloppyZipper@reddit
And all that needed to happen was a departure from Biden's limp dick foreign policy and for Trump to get elected and say "all hell will break loose" if there's no resolution.
Unfortunately even Trump may not be able to clean up Biden's mess.
Private_HughMan@reddit
Bullshit. This was the same deal Hamas already accepted months ago. Israel also accepted it. Then Netanyahu changed the deal at the last second.
Trump was pretty openly collaborating with Netanyahu to sabotage deals so that it would help his odds of getting elected. Trump isn't fixing a problem. He's just no longer being the problem.
AFloppyZipper@reddit
Whatever you need to tell yourself!
You should honestly go write for a leftist rag like the WaPo or something. You just need to add the line "ACCORDING TO PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THE SITUATION" and you're golden.
Private_HughMan@reddit
WaPo is a leftist rag? Dude have you been in a coma for the past decade?
The deal is literally the same one that Hamas accepted back in June. You can see the details of the old deal here: https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/details-of-the-ceasefire-deal-that-hamas-has-accepted/
Hamas already accepted these terms before. The only one to change was Israel.
loggy_sci@reddit
He’s a Trump cultist, don’t bother trying to get a reasonable take from him.
Thek40@reddit
Looks real this time. The ministry of justice is preparing the list and the needed documents to release the Palestinians prisoners, the ministry of health told hospitals to start preparation to reserve the hostages. The fascists elements of the government said they are opposing the agreement.
Let’s hope all is going to work smoothly, the end is near.
Future-Physics-1924@reddit
If Steve Witkoff pressuring Bibi was actually responsible for this 💀
Thek40@reddit
Don’t know about that. However, history does often repeat itself: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
Future-Physics-1924@reddit
Actually seems more like what's happening here is that Trump will give Bibi what he wants post-war, up to and including reneging on the ceasefire lol
ODHH@reddit
This is the same deal Hamas accepted back in June.
Israelis should be ashamed of themselves.
EmptyJackfruit9353@reddit
Can't goad Hezbollah to attack without war in Gaza.
Israel achieve its political goal which is disarm both Hezbollah and Hamas.
It would take a REALLY long while before Gaza could pull anything like 10/7 again.
And Hezbollah is just out of the game. They basically has no command structure or equipment left to harass Israel northern border.
While it sucks that so many has to die, it is the price of piece. Now the Arabs know they cannot win a fight against them, no matter the form. They would recognize Israel and finally try to coexist.
NearABE@reddit
I think Hamas won. Most of the world has a new view on what the zionist state is. Some Arab/muslim countries already held this view. The public in most western countries did not.
In the rest of the 21st century Tel Aviv will find itself isolated and vastly outnumbered.
GothicGolem29@reddit
Hamas had two leaders assassinated and will have lost alot of terrorists not sure they won. Sure the public in some countries may be upset but Israel maintained their relationship with the German and US govs which is what they need to do.
I doubt it the political parties in the Uk are all for being close with Israel same with the US and idk if Germany will change either
NearABE@reddit
Congress and POTUS actually did get booted in USA. Of course other issues were more prominent in many American minds but the toxicity of genocide was definitely “a factor”. It is not just the Palestinian and Muslim vote, though that happened too, the lack of enthusiasm is infectious. In contrast when I drove past a group of Trump demonstrators they looked like they were enjoying each other’s company and having fun.
I am not in Germany. Talking about it or even considering it seriously was politically unthinkable in Germany thirty years ago. Certainly German youth must wonder about living in a free country and yet not being legally allowed to wear watermelon t-shirts. Germans are far more aware of just how wrong a government can be. They have a considerable Syrian and Turkish immigrant population. How long does Germany owe reparations? Everyone who was adult in the 1940s is dead now.
I am not convinced that dying means that you lost. Though most people usually do feel that way. British marines that died on a beach in Normandy in 1944 probably died believing they were part of something important. Hamas fighters live near their neighbors. I believe they must have known their mortality. I believe the “danger” that kept the terrorists up at night was the possibility that relations would be normalized. They were far to organized to be stupid. They knew that they would not overrun the entire IDF. They attacked, killed, destroyed some things, took hostages, and then dashed back into Gaza into tunnels underneath the civilian population. I do not see what strategy this could have been other than “make Tel Aviv look bad when they bomb Gaza”. The Likud leadership either completely fell for the trick or perhaps they also want sustained violence just like the Hamas leadership.
GothicGolem29@reddit
They got booted for an even more pro Israel lot. It is ironic if people vote against Kamala because of Israel only to get the more pro Israel party in…
Yet the German gov still suppports them.
When two. leaders die in a row that makes t hard to argue you won. And British troops died yea but the army was no crippled. Hamas has lost is leaders and alot of troops a equipment their ability to commit teror attacks like october 7th will b gone for a while. They would have had several strats like turning countries against Israel getting prisoners out and no normilisation etc. but when planning I doubt they realised two leaders and other leadership figures would die and a brutal long war crippling their ability for more mass terror attacks for a while and that the US UK and Germany would stay behind Israel till the end. So they did not acheive turning countries agains Israel and paid a heavy price for the other two so I cannot say they won at most a draw
NearABE@reddit
Hamas was a dying organization. The population in Gaza would have booted them if there was anything like an election. Regionally they were losing support. Most of Gaza is young. The next generation would have wanted to establish a life for themselves.
The ability to conduct a mass suicidal attack requires that you have thousands of young radicals who are prepared to die doing it. Today there is a full generation of children traumatized by violence. It is far more likely that terrorists can be recruited from their ranks.
GothicGolem29@reddit
It wasn’t they still had enough terrorists as october 7th proved. Hamas doesnt hold elections likely because they dont want to risk that
Hamas controlled the media in Gaza they could brainwash people before this terrorist attack. And even if now its more likely(they would have been able to without the war) Hamas lost alot of its fighters and leadership its gonna take a long time to build for more attacks longer than if Israel had gave in to Hamas demands
EmptyJackfruit9353@reddit
That is what you believe. Merican vote orange man back say otherwise.
Public opinion are flicker. Today Jews are genocide tyrant and the bad guy.
Tomorrow? See that American born ex- vet ISIS terrorist who drove car into the crowd?
A few bombs later and Muslim will be the bad guy again and people will stop caring about Gazan.
NearABE@reddit
It is the United States of Amnesia.
But if you forget why you were wasting money on something and then look at the budget you might remove the strange items.
Nurple-shirt@reddit
Most people don’t give a fuck what they do to each other. They give this conflict just as much care and energy as you do to the genocide currently happening in Sudan.
NearABE@reddit
United States aid to Sudan is humanitarian aid. It is supposed to be anyway. I am sure nasty people figure out ways to cause problems with that. Overall i do not object to food or medicine.
The combatants in Sudan do not appear to be using United States manufactured weapons. It is not a lack of caring about people in Sudan. I just do not hear my elected officials guaranteeing arms shipments to the violent factions. I do not currently believe that I am complicit in genocide in Sudan. Events should be documented. Leaders should expect to be remembered. They may face war crimes charges in the future.
As an American I have to be careful. To much vocal criticism tends to lead to the US government bombing things and making them worse. It is better to have less public discussion on Sudan so that state department has flexibility when mediating peace agreements. The factions do not appear to be looking for peace at this time.
Spicy_Alligator_25@reddit
Why do you say Tel Aviv? West Jerusalem has always been recognized as the capital of Israel by the UN since 1949, it was only interim capital during the 1948 war when their was fighting in Jerusalem.
NearABE@reddit
Thank you for this question.
Regardless of the capital location I believe you know who I am talking about when mentioning Tel Aviv. People in Eilat believe they are in the same nation state as people in Tel Aviv. No one else doubts that people in Eilat are part of the same nationality. Tel Aviv is larger. “Tel Aviv” is clearly not a religion or an ethnicity. It has a geographic location and the basic trappings of a city.
If we talk about “Gaza City” and “Tel Aviv” everyone knows what and who we are talking about. There is history, ethnicity, culture, and nationality associated with both Gaza City and Tel Aviv. They are violent and are doing violence.
In my experience talking about the things Russia is doing does not contribute to prejudice or violence against Eastern Orthodox churches in the United States. As far as I know Americans with Russian ancestry are just “white people” in USA. Maybe some of us can pick out the difference between “Saxon”, “Slavic”, and “Persian” but people here do not normally identify that way. There is no reason to believe that criticism of Russia’s actions would be construed as a reason to harm slavs who are US citizens. Saying “Moscow did X” and “Russia did X” is effectively synonymous. Talking about “London”, “the UK”, and “the Brits” does not appear to trigger them nor does anyone accuse me of spreading Anglophobia.
Furthermore, I believe that there really has been an organized campaign to convolute issues. The motive was to confuse. I believe this campaign has succeeded in creating both a real threat to my friends and neighbors and also a perceived feeling of threat. I believe Tel Aviv intends and intended to do real harm to citizens in my country (USA) though also elsewhere. This is done so that my neighbors feel alienated and afraid. The strategy actually works and is in fact the reason USA sends $ billions in military aid to the middle east.
Spicy_Alligator_25@reddit
I'm sorry, but i just don't feel like you answered my question? I understand what you meant when you said "Tel Aviv", but i just don't understand why you said that and not Jerusalem, and you didn't really clarify that.
This seems like if i said like, "Vladikavaz lost the war in Ukraine". Like, I get it, it's just an odd way of speaking.
NearABE@reddit
“Jerusalem” is a divisive topic too. It mirrors the other conflict(s).
Is Gaza City a city in a nation that has a capital in West Jerusalem? Is a child in Gaza City a citizen of that country? I am asking this not because I am necessarily “uninformed” but rather I am informed that this question is unsettled. The child in question is denied citizenship and denied rights. But where are the borders of this child’s homeland. If I want to send this child a chocolate what country am I sending the package too?
Watersheds are often a good alternative to borders set by politics. Referring to “the west bank of the Jordan” or “West Jordan” adds more confusion. Water in Gaza does not even flow to the Jordan.
I would prefer that children have a future. I strongly oppose my government denying any children their future. I can see the destruction caused by bombs provided by my country. I do not want to be involved in that or anything like it.
I want to be opposed to “fatal electric anal rape of prisoners of war”. Though I also want to be opposed to any of those six words in conjunction each other. I take offense at the notion that I would ever condone any combination of those six words. I welcome whatever derogatory name IAPAC wants to use as a label for people who think similarly to me. However, I also want to live in a diverse community, both ethnic and religious, and I do not want my neighbors to feel threatened me. So I intend to use caution with the titles I am given.
I do not care how people in the middle east achieve a peaceful future for six year olds. I think people in that country or countries need to work on those details. Establish a vision for the children’s future and maybe I will be open to endorsing aid. Under the current circumstances the only choice is to cut off all military aid. I include Saudi Arabia and Egypt. At least Syria has a new government. Maybe there is room for hope. Certainly any aid needs to have “strings attached” and an automatic cutoff if the strings appear broken.
TheJewPear@reddit
Because he’s a bought and paid for propaganda commenter.
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
A bit of a Freudian slip there. Yes, Israel may get another piece of Gaza and Syria to settle, and they have expanded the West Bank settlements and may be considering Lebanon settlements as well, but it wasn’t a necessity for anything except Israeli expansion.
EmptyJackfruit9353@reddit
They did the massacre because SA had talk with Israel about them recognize the Jews as state.
Yeah, that silly talk which probably wont do anything now cost a lot of people lives.
Since none of the Arabs ,aside from Irans puppet, do anything concrete to deter Israel from policing more on Gaza.
I say the talk will continue after the fire die down.
Chinerpeton@reddit
Palestinians have been ready to coexist since the 1990s'. It's Israel that has consistently shown its unwilingness to tolerate the idea of actual Palestinian sovereignty.
GothicGolem29@reddit
I don’t remember the previous deal allowing them to stay in the Phil corridor. Plus some of the claims about the later phases if true would mean this deal is different
ODHH@reddit
No that was one of Netanyahu's filibuster attempts from September. The original deal that Hamas accepted back in May has no mention of the Philadelphi corridor.
https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/details-of-the-ceasefire-deal-that-hamas-has-accepted/
GothicGolem29@reddit
So that would then mean this deal is different as it lets Israeli remain in the Phil corridor
ODHH@reddit
Source?
Both deals are pretty vague about the gradual Israeli withdrawal.
GothicGolem29@reddit
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd0jgnvkdyno
This deal is clear according to the article they can stay for over 40 days in the Phil corridor
ODHH@reddit
I just re-read the original deal and technically that is in there too they just didn't spell it out.
https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/details-of-the-ceasefire-deal-that-hamas-has-accepted/
So yeah, thousands of deaths (including Israeli POWs) for no fucking reason, Netanyahu could have just signed this deal back in May.
Mass civilian casualties at any cost, that's just the bloodthirsty Israeli way.
GothicGolem29@reddit
Ah ok
Therw moght be some other differences
The second stage (42 days):
Announcing the return of sustainable calm (cessation of military and hostile operations) and its taking effect before the exchange of detainees and prisoners between the two sides – all remaining Israeli men alive (civilians and soldiers) – in exchange for an agreed-upon number of prisoners in Israeli prisons and detainees in detention camps by Israeli forces, and the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip. The third stage (42 days):
Exchanging the bodies and remains of the dead from both sides after reaching them and identifying them. Beginning the implementation of the Gaza Strip reconstruction plan for a period of 3 to 5 years, including homes, civilian facilities, and infrastructure, and compensating all those affected, under the supervision of a number of countries and organizations, including Egypt, Qatar, and the United Nations. Ending the complete siege on the Gaza Strip.
None of that part seems to be in the deal according to the bbc just negotiations. So Israel might prefer this deal so they can try negotiate Hamas out of power or mechanisms in place to prevent terror attacks rather than that deal which sounds like there would not be negotiations over what Hamas has to do to get Israeli forces out of Gaza and the end to the siege of Gaza.
GynecologicalSushi@reddit
The world should be ashamed of Israelis.
ZumasSucculentNipple@reddit
US weapons manufacturers and Israeli bloodlust won't let this come to pass. Too many kids to bomb and grannies to snipe.
azure_beauty@reddit
Opposition parties are providing however many votes Likud will lose to those clowns, so that should not be a worry, as it does not appear they are willing to leave the coalition over this.
Starfuri@reddit
A "breakthrough" lol. What's left? and how long until Israel exerts its right to defend itself (lol) again? Let the prisoners back into Palestine, get the hostages back.. whats gonna stop them obliterating the place even more?
Full_Distribution874@reddit
Nothing can stop Israel from bombing Gaza just like nothing can stop Australia from bombing PNG. The reason they started this time was an invasion from Gaza, so I imagine Gaza refraining from suicidal military actions will be their best defense.
turbotableu@reddit
People who you see driving a wedge don't want peace. All they do is try to revise that Palestinians aren't the Arab world and erase that most of the original mandate for Palestine was given to Jordan
It's the Jews they prefer to blame because they believe they're white and not a middle eastern minority
zlex@reddit
They did give them Jordan, it's just not run by Palestinians - it is run by a Hashemite family placed in power by the United Kingdom.
When the Palestinians tried to fix that situation in the 1970, the King of Jordan killed about 10,000 of them, exiled their leadership, and privately told Yasser Arafat that if they ever tried that again, he would kill them all. "You can Fuck with Jews all you want," he said. "You come back here and even sneeze in my direction, I'll make rugs out of the bunch of you."
So, the Palestinians went to Munich and killed some Israeli athletes, instead, and everyone was happy again.
Jordan give the Palestinians a country? Don't be daft. They are needed as irregular forces in our war against the Jew.
King Hussein later married an American named Elizabeth Najeeb Halaby. The two of them were very photogenic and idiot westerners thought of him as a rather jolly TV kind of King - not as one of those nasty dictators who were oppressing the poor Palestinians. That was a job for the Jews.
Novarupta99@reddit
To add to this, there is a reason why Arabs called Hussein the "Hashemite Nero who fiddled with his radio while Amman burned to the ground."
He was erroneously called the first leader since the mad Roman to set fire to his own capital.
Other Arab leaders, including President Numeiri of Sudan, accused Hussein of waging a war of extermination.
In addition, Bedouin soldiers were allowed to turn their wrath not only on the Palestinian refugees but even the Jordanian civilian population of Amman.
After Jordanian artillery levelled the refugee camps of Wahdat and al-Husayn, Jordanian soldiers started looting the capital. Bedouin soldiers blackened their faces using their ammunition in order to disguise their identity while they raped women at gunpoint or bayoneted wounded civilians in hospital beds.
Though it should be noted that Israel actually helped Jordan with this task, as they helped prevent a full Syrian invasion which would have turned the tide.
NoobOfTheSquareTable@reddit
We have pretty compelling evidence that Nero wasn’t even in Rome, being some distance north of the capital if I remember correctly, at the time of the fire and when he did return to the city the imperial coffers were opened to help with the recovery
It is more and more commonly thought that the stories around Nero have been warped because of his position as anti Christian. With most if not all of the modern information coming through a filter of Christianity with the “proof” being that he built a large palace in some of the city ruins
Novarupta99@reddit
Hence why I put "erroneously" in that sentence. The statement used was more of a figure of speech rather than an actual factt.
NoobOfTheSquareTable@reddit
Yeah, I just like the history
SpontaneousFlame@reddit
You’re still upset that European Jews weren’t given all of Palestine and all of Jordan to conquer and ethnically cleanse? While you claim to want peace?
NearABE@reddit
Oh come on. :(
You can use words like “Israeli state” or “zionists”. My neighbors who attend synagogue did not do this. Or rather they are equally responsible just like other US citizens are responsible for our government’s choices. Neither the religion nor the ethnicity is in any way implicated by the actions of the fascist middle eastern regime.
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