Is this map actually accurate from your experience?

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Ikcenhonorem@reddit

No, in Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro and in fact in Austria people are as racist as in Bulgaria, Poland and Hungary. Bulgarian word for man with black skin from Africa is neger, which came from Latin niger - black. It has no negative connotation, like that it has in English. In the past the word for neger was arapin, which came from the word Arab. And had strong negative connotation. In Bulgarian past black people from Africa were extremely rare, and usually part of Ottoman armies, often slave traders. So they kidnapped white Bulgarians to sell them as slaves. Although usually that was done by white Ottomans. Racism is not common in Bulgaria. As racism is the idea that one race is superior. Now liberals in US call anything racist. And many liberals in EU agree. But racism is very specific thing. There is not cultural racism. Because some cultures are superior, as they are far more developed. To call some culture better could be completely objective opinion. Any multiculturalist who disagrees can go and enjoy the ancient rich culture of Talibans. What you can see in Bulgaria is not racism, but fear, that in extremely rare cases could cause aggression. Bulgarians are afraid from foreigners, specially such from Africa and Middle East and you can find the objective reasons for that attitude in Bulgarian past.

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graudesch@reddit

Data collected over a minimum of thirteen years with less than 300'000 answers. 300'000. That's enough, if really done scientifically, to get stats on the sentiments of Switzerlands pop. This however? And then: No specs on the exact questions or how folks were chosen to answer those questions. Without more context, up into the trash bin you go.

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Kind_Salt9935@reddit

The whole of Europe should be green. Black is the new Master Race. 💪🏿🍆 They all love BBC.

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Leonardo-Saponara@reddit

IAT tests are an highly controversial metric which is considered by a large portion of researchers as unreliable and lacklustre in validity, so I think that the map is trash.

That said, I do think that racism in Italy is increasing at a worrying pace, although it is mostly linked to a general xenophobia (toward people from poorer countries, there's quite the opposing trend toward people from richer countries) rather then to skin-tone directly.

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Archelector@reddit

How racist are Italians to Asians

I’ll be studying abroad for a year so I’d like to know what to expect

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Inevitable_Anywhere2@reddit

Happy cake-day!
I don't think there is general racism in Italy towards Asians, but I would say it depends on which Asian country you come from. In general, you can expect to be perceived as 'Chinese,' regardless of whether you're from Korea, Japan, or elsewhere. That said, there is a significant Chinese community in Italy, and they are generally well-regarded as hardworking and non-troublesome. Xenophobia might be more common towards people from poorer countries like India or Pakistan, although there are communities from these countries in Italy as well. Overall, I don't think the situation is worse than in any other country, quite the opposite. Especially if you are in a big city and in a university setting.

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Archelector@reddit

Well I’m Taiwanese do hopefully they don’t think too badly of me

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Drtikol42@reddit

I am Czech, did this survey and the dataset at least in my case was stacked in such manner that other result than black people=bad was not possible.

You push different buttons based on what is displayed (ethnicity and positive/negative emotion). And how is it supposed to work is that combination of ethnicity and emotion that you agree with takes you less time to push the buttons. But of course you get better at it as test progresses. My dataset was ordered: 1) Black people=good, 2 White people bad 3. White people good 4. Black people bad.

Results were obvious.

I don´t think most Czechs have any association with black people at all, almost none live here, they are just not concern. Only time I saw blacks here in 40 years, was when I was visiting Prague and then one time when some come to my elementary school and played "African" music. (can´t remember specifically from where, just remember lot of drums.

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bebilov@reddit

I lived in Italy and I'd say although you might not find direct hate towards black people it's clearly imbedded into the social fabric. You always see black people doing less desired jobs in society and not many of them working in high level jobs as you see in the UK for example.

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Alendro95@reddit

This is also because they are first or second-generation immigrants living in Italy. They have low level of education and prefer working over studying, which makes it difficult to attain high-level jobs.

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bebilov@reddit

It has nothing to do with this. I went to university with Africans from Cameroon and Senegal who were smart young people and doing degrees like engineering or economics etc. 80/90% of them could not find a job after university and had to take jobs like cleaning or working in food delivery and this in northern Italy where there are the most opportunities in whole Italy. It's all about the perception Italians have of black people.

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olivenoel3@reddit

Italians are literally racists towards each other (polentoni/terroni)

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Large_Feature_6736@reddit

Places like Croatia & Romania getting alot of Indian/South asian male migrants (no women) recently, will be interesting to see how attitudes shift as they become a large share of the population. Last time I was in Croatia, I saw more Indians than Croatians.

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

As a Canadian, I hope Croatia stays on top of immigration and plans for it accordingly. Don’t due what our stupid government did.

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chess_bot72829@reddit

So you are of native origin or did your ancestors immigrated to canada?

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

Not against immigration, however measures need to be put in place to control the rate of people coming in. You need enough houses, resources and jobs to go around. I was born here but my parents emigrated from Hungary. I’m a dual-citizen. Immigrants are welcome but we’ve had way too many in too short of a time and it’s completely overwhelmed the country. Cost of living has sky rocketed, we have a housing crisis, and an employment crisis, among more problems.

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FigureTopAcadia@reddit

Hungary needs to sustain its population. Immigrants help it in that regard.

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Stead-Freddy@reddit

The problem wasn’t immigration, that’s the scapegoat. The problem is that we’ve allowed NIMBYs to take over our cities and slowed housing starts to a snails pace for the last 3-4 decades, with only a small uptick recently. We also completely stopped building social housing or below market government owned rentals.

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chess_bot72829@reddit

Im pretty Sure native americans are more critical of european Immigration than you are. Because there wehre No Houses and free Land but the settlers Just claimed the land

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

Yes indigenous rights and reconciliation is a hot topic and always has been. Having lived and worked in one of these remote communities, I understand and emphasize with this problems, however this is much different. What indigenous people deal with this days is lack of resources, education, healthcare and social services. A lot of physical and emotional damage has been done from colonialism and the residential school system.

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Axel0010110@reddit

No one cares in Romania about skin color, culture is the most important thing

I saw people saying that gypsies are brown skin and that s why they are hated, no, people hate them for being scums with their attitudine and their lack of education no matter what

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Regular_Drawing_6932@reddit

Exactly, people mix race into everything. Northern Africans won their reputation by how they act, not the colour of their skin.

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extremessd@reddit

sounds like Malta actually

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KulthoMJW@reddit

Almost all of the migrants have left Romania for greener pastures so I don't think it will shift much. Romania is just a pit stop usually.

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Deep_Requirement1384@reddit

It is sadly getting increasingly negative as they are being imported in insane amounts and treated like slave labour, lowering job market standards to which locals react with rapidly increasing racism.

Only reason why there was no racism previously is that there was no other skin colours so people just hated each other on local ethnicities

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vabriga24@reddit

We getting hard working nepals, not criminals from africa. Theres a huge differences. African here will push drugs, stab and steal. Nepals here will push your car if needed. Culture makes differences.

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gagi11030@reddit

It’ll still be positive, since they’ll be the majority of the population then

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TheMidnightBear@reddit

South asians just work, and have familiar back home.

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Fresh-Heat7944@reddit

It's cuz we're all still pure. I hope we don't become like Sweden or France. Otherwise the whole region will be red af.

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Mesinaa@reddit

Pure Turkish , hell yea.

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Omegaprocrastinator@reddit

UK being green is an interesting one, cause that is not what i've seen there

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PrincipleNo8733@reddit

We in the uk are not a racist nation at all

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mrg077@reddit

No blacks no Irish no dogs, yea

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branimir2208@reddit

I mean there is hate towards muslim arabs not blacks.

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StrictDocument3982@reddit

I mean can you blame them, what with all the terrorist attacks in Europe by people from a certain religion

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ScepticalSocialist47@reddit

But not of a certain race, it is unfair to prejudice Arabs and South Asians because most Muslims are those races.

As somebody who lives in one of the UK’s most Muslim cities and the UK’s most Muslim town, I can also tell you that most Muslims are very good people, and do not at all fit into the stereotypes they are given. Working class white people have more of a reputation nowadays from being racist idiots who burn down mosques.

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Ok-Adhesiveness1559@reddit

Ty 🙏

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Soda_Yoda4587@reddit

Thanks for the refreshing perspective among all the hate. May i ask where you live?

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ScepticalSocialist47@reddit

Preston, it’s a shithole but only because it’s been deprived since the 70s, UK’s most forgettable city but has the 2nd largest bus station in Europe 😂

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31_hierophanto@reddit

As well as South Asians.

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SnooOwls4283@reddit

Really? As a Brit that makes me sad. Can see where you are from and without you guys the NHS would be in serious trouble. My experience of pinoy/pinay is that all are hard working (without exception) and genuinely lovely people. Sorry if you have had bad experiences

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Regular_Drawing_6932@reddit

One word. "Birmingham".

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Silent_Speech@reddit

I think Philippines is more of South East Asia. Like Thailand and Nepal. Nobody minds them. They are all lovely people with good manners in my experience.

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Faehndrich@reddit

Not in the same league as the hate Arabs get in the UK

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GodsBicep@reddit

That's absolutely not true. It's Pakistanis that get the most hate in the UK. Arab populations aren't really prevalent in the UK it's like 0.5% or something.

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YTY2003@reddit

In terms of culinary appreciation?

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OurManInJapan@reddit

There is not many Arabs in the UK.

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No-References@reddit

Not true

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OurManInJapan@reddit

It is true. Only like 350k.

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No-References@reddit

That's a lot

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OurManInJapan@reddit

Not really. It’s one of the smallest ethnic groups in the country. The total population is 67m don’t forget. That’s like 0.5% of the population

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No-References@reddit

Regardless of percentage. 350k people is still a lot of people.

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OurManInJapan@reddit

Not as a proportion of the population.

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No-References@reddit

Right. But still a lot of people.

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LatroDota@reddit

It's still racism and it's still 'darker' skin.

Overall I call bullshit on this map for few reasons.

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No-References@reddit

Is the data not confirming to your biases?

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theGuy7376@reddit

There not much arabs in Uk

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No-References@reddit

Not true

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ackbladder_@reddit

Brit here. Black children from the wave of migration in the 60’s integrated well in to British society. Chances are most people have met a black person who shares the same values and culture as them.

Before then, societal attitudes on the british empire was seen less as imperialism but more as a collaboration. Troops of different races fought in volunteer forces in the world wars too. This resulted in more positive sentiment toward foreigners compared to France or Germany for example.

Our issues today revolve more around different cultures rather than race. There are few people who want 0 immigration. Rather most on the right want more skill based rules for visas and to reduce immigration from countries who don’t contribute or assimilate.

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No-References@reddit

Honestly, I think a lot of the supposed racism people claim to see here is just confirmation bias.

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vladedivac12@reddit

The survey was done between 10 and 23 years ago, many things changed since then. When the standard of living and social climate are deteriorating, immigrants are first to blame.

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yesiagree12@reddit

Especially when they are at fault

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vladedivac12@reddit

I don't think immigrants are to blame but more governments who have shit immigration policies and bad structure that both immigrants and the local population are negatively affected especially these last 5 years

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bigandstupid79@reddit

I agree with this. I would never ally myself with the right wing idiots, but when you look at the government's policies on immigration then there has to be something done which treats all people fairly. The loudest voices calling for this though are easy to dismiss as racists.

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eroto_anarchist@reddit

Balkan people being against immigration is the most stupid political stance on planet earth.

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yesiagree12@reddit

Who is Balkan?

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AndreiTatescu@reddit

No it isn’t

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BrownShoesGreenCoat@reddit

“Dark skin” in UK does not equal “immigrant”. In general the racism in the UK is more along cultural lines than appearance. E.g. travellers, Pakistani, Muslim Arabs, Africans etc.

So e.g. Caribbean black people are completely integrated but African black people aren’t.

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EphemeEssence@reddit

And in this case, alongside the oligarchy shelving them in to reduce the standard of living, rightfully so.

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Omegaprocrastinator@reddit

That has seemed to be the case

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dumdadumdumdumdmmmm@reddit

Cuz it's kind of confusing/misleading how the data presented.

It isnt dark skin is looked at more positively in the UK, it's dark skin is looked more positively in the UK relative to a country like Portugal.

They might still both be racist countries just one less so. When considering that, it makes much more sense.

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Green-Fig-2213@reddit

You have to remember that some people would go out of their way to maintain a certain appearance, even with an anonymous survey.

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Mou_aresei@reddit

That's not how it works with project implicit, they measure unconscious reactions, as far as possible.

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Omegaprocrastinator@reddit

This is true also

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shelf_paxton_p@reddit

Survey after survey suggests you are wrong. What data do you have to support your assertion?

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ricefarmerfromindia@reddit

Total vote share for leftwing parties has been greater than the share for rightwing parties in most elections for 3 decades.

FPTP doesn't really represent our views. This is a leftwing country.

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abfgern_@reddit

And tbf the main right wing party isnt remotely racist at all either, for all their many other faults.

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CisteinEnjoyer@reddit

This is a leftwing country.

Is that why people get arrested for memes?

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Artistic-Wheel1622@reddit

To be honest positive thoughts is also racist. You still discriminate based on color.

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ClassroomObjective86@reddit

Read the text bellow: "no country had a score that reflected absolute positivity towards dark skin" , UK is green because they have a lower score, not because they hold positive views towards blacks :s

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Khischnaya_Ptitsa@reddit

Same in Scandinavian

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LibertyChecked28@reddit

Buddy racism is only applicable towards other humans- they don't consider us humans so de-jure they ain't racists and this map stands correct.

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ImpressiveHair3@reddit

Estonia should be bright red

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wdrvng@reddit

"*Relatively more positive thoughts. No country had a score that reflected absolute positivity towards dark skin"

There we go

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xDannyS_@reddit

Croatia green? Wat

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Popikaify@reddit

As far as i know people in Serbia and other Ex-YU countries are not racist but curious,you might get stares but not in a mean way.I had guy from Ghana working for few months in my company and he had 0 issues.

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Zijanka27@reddit

Can confirm. I have a fairly slutty friend. Last time we were on Bascarsija there was this tall and cute black guy. She was so infatuated till the poor guy didn't felt embarassed and said what. After she sending him kiss he realised we like him and finally nervously smiled.

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ZagrosianSpirit@reddit

🤮

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ToughThugRDR2@reddit

Disgusting 🤢

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thiccbimbo@reddit

Shut up, no one asked for your opinion

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fortunefaded2@reddit

I dont know, I am croatian and me and a lot of my friends are racist, but the hate is mostly directed towards jews and arabs

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Gaminguide3000@reddit

Rare swiss L 😔

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ZeeDyke@reddit

Data collected between 2002 and 2015... yeah, super accurate

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YahenP@reddit

Well... I can say with all responsibility that there is no racism in Belarus. And there never was. The very concept of racism in this country is considered something exotic.
But, but, but. There is absolutely extreme xenophobia in Belarus. It permeates the whole essence of social relations. The boundaries of friend and foe are diverse and complex, and resemble a cross-section of a croissant. In fact, everything is arranged in such a way that there is no single society in the generally accepted sense of the word.
But skin color or nationality are not some special object of hatred.

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beggs23k@reddit

Dark skin is asocciated with gypsies in Eastern Europe, thats why it may be prone to racism. For me dark skin is healthy.

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Anuclano@reddit

In Russia, not with Gypsies at all.

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Green-Fig-2213@reddit

I bet it is, MonteNEGRO.

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beggs23k@reddit

We are called that because of bellow waste area.

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KulthoMJW@reddit

I don't know about that... :))

A cool guide of average penis sizes per country : r/coolguides

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Anuclano@reddit

It should be noted that when asked about dark-skinned people in Russia, they less think about Negroes but about people from Caucasus and Central Asia.

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a_cool_username_4628@reddit

Living in London the UK should be at least yellow lol

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Personal-Gap5797@reddit

serbians had a race war recently xdddd

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tptpp@reddit

Romania is not at the maximum level because we have cabral

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Substantial-Air-1394@reddit

Has anyone actually been to the balkans? Tans are taken positively but people with darker skin from outside of Europe certainly are not. Like what the actual f

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MoralQuestions8@reddit

Nope. A lot of Ukrainian and Eastern European girls highly prize the African man

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FunOptimal7980@reddit

I'm brown. Not Arab but I've been told I look like I'm Middle Eastern. The only place I've been profiled is the airport in the Netherlands. Eastern Europe, Italy, Spain, Austria, were all fine.

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dalegribble__96@reddit

Considering I live there now I can tell you for a fact the UK is wildly more racist than it’s showing on this map. Outside of the big cities it’s probably as red as Italy at best. I’m actually pleasantly surprised at Greece, less so the Baltic states who basically are the “never ask a man his salary memes” over what they thought of the Nazis

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No-References@reddit

As someone who lives in the English countryside. This is just plain not true. It's no more racist than in the cities.

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Master_Elderberry275@reddit

What experience have you had with racism outside big cities?

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Arcjaqu@reddit

Outdated AF.

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LeadershipExternal58@reddit

Czechia is not higher then Slovakia

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TotalDevelopment6998@reddit

Serbia? No way

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lucckyss@reddit

If by dark you mean black (African), then yes. If you mean brown-ish (Arab, Indian, Italian), then no.

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Stverghame@reddit

Ethnic and religious hate is preferred here, no wonder we're green. Not enough energy left for racial hate.

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fjrushxhenejd@reddit

It’s hard to understand what ethnic means in the Balkans. In most other places it essentially means race.

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Stverghame@reddit

"In most places" = In USA.

There is a clear distinction between race and ethnicity, it is just America's obsession with race that totally throws away all other things that can differntiate people within one race itself.

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Present-Bandicoot578@reddit

Frrr lmao stupid ass americans

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fjrushxhenejd@reddit

Well I’m not from USA. I had thought that ethnic in the Balkans just meant religion but you listed those as separate. Are you saying it means culture?

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Stverghame@reddit

I meant ethnicity. Are you implying that somehow Romanians, Serbs and Greeks are the same just because they follow the same religion? That's certainly not the case.

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fjrushxhenejd@reddit

I’m not implying anything I’m hoping you could explain the term to me.

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Cold-Association6535@reddit

Serb here.

For example. Serbs, Romanians and Bulgarians are all separate ethnicities. We are all of the same religion (Orthodox Christian) and of the same race (white) or alternatively of separate but intermixed races since Serbs are mostly slavic, Romanians are half slavic Dacians and Bulgarians are slavicized turkic people.

While it's being of the same religion does cause some feelings of fraternity, them being the same color means jack shit to me. Germans and British are the same color as well and I'd like nothing more than everything west of Czechia to slide into the sea.

So as far is actual racial in group preference goes, there is SOME towards Slavs or partially Slavs, but most of them are rabbid pro westerners and are in my mind no greater brothers than for example Chinese or Cubans. We mostly have an integrative aspect of racism, since it's doesn't manifest through exclusion of other races like it does in the US but by a mild preference of those of the same one.

Basically all great evils to my people were done by other white people or other Slavs and my hatred is reserved for them. Average Congolese or a Somali simply doesn't register.

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fjrushxhenejd@reddit

One other question - is it true that you won’t consider someone a Serb anymore if they convert to a different religion?

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Cold-Association6535@reddit

Personally, no. They are still Serbian unless they consider themselves otherwise.

Historically though, it's complicated. People who converted away did it explicitly to stop being Serbian and align with the nation that occupied their lands. Today, somebody converting doesn't mean he will be part of death squads when local Turkish noble decides to get some money and girls for his harem. Still, the sentiment is still present among many Serbs, because for centuries it was completely justified.

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fjrushxhenejd@reddit

Right, that helps explain some things. I guess I never thought of Slavic as a race, but I know that Hitler did. Do you think there’s any chance of some kind of Balkan unity, or did that pretty much die with Tito?

From my understanding he had an unusual combination of being a Croat who fought against the Ustaše, making him somewhat acceptable to Serbs and Croats. It seems that most Balkaners don’t view him favourably anymore - although I have met Serbs here in NZ who liked him and I certainly have a good view of him.

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Stverghame@reddit

Here you go a definition offered by wikipedia:

An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a people of a common language, culture, common sets of ancestry, traditions, society, religion, history, or social treatment.

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nb_700@reddit

And Red Star/Partizan hate

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YeeterKeks@reddit

A kid in my school actually got his arm broken for being a Grobar. Footballs is no joke.

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blackrain1709@reddit

Seriously, if anything we are all convinced black people have giant dicks and can destroy us in a fight with both hands tied behind their backs. There weren't many black people around and still aren't but their nicknames are always badass stuff like 'lightning' or 'bison' or 'stone'.

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arhisekta@reddit

Why don't you ask Tupac Shakur?

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SwimmingFee5066@reddit

I heard hes bing chillin in Serbia

https://youtu.be/Ntft_zd-_NM?si=uMq5nBCB6m8SIh_A

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arhisekta@reddit

facts, he was dissing Clintons in "hit em up"

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Prestigious_Win_7408@reddit

Damn, almost thought your pfp was something else

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SwimmingFee5066@reddit

Something else like what?

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Prestigious_Win_7408@reddit

Woman with massive tits hanging

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Training_Factor_1947@reddit

So in about 20 years the countries in red will be the only ones left with a properly functioning society and a still existing homogeneous culture. The rest will be failed states like Lebanon.

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Consistent_Cat5850@reddit

If you count Indians and Pakistanis in Uk %100

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danny-ray-brights@reddit

Ukrainian here. I can’t say we are racist. Because racism is a hate, but you can’t hate something you don’t see or contact with daily. We have so few not white-caucasian folks here so we can’t form some particular feeling towards them as a group. We, as well as all people, are a bit xenophobic. And if we see black dude on our streets, yeah, we look at him a tad longer. Because we are curious!

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NebelNator_427@reddit

Serbia number one🇷🇸💖

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MrBread@reddit

No, poland

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Bryndzo@reddit

Czechia - Of course. If you are not white christian on atheist - you don´t belong here. Easy.

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Trolololol66@reddit

Monte-Negro. Hehe

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schwarzmalerin@reddit

No.

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thisismoz@reddit

Fun fact FPÖ in Austria got almost 30% of the votes. Not sure the survey is accurate

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fk_censors@reddit

No. What people think and say is not necessarily tied to their actions.

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talldarknbald@reddit

You are asking the Balkans. The majority of us are not darker-skinned so how do you expect us to be able to tell?

From what I heard from others, I'd say it is pretty accurate though.

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chomkee@reddit

I dont think so. Gypsies are brown, and everything asociated with them is negative, so brown skin overall isnt really viewed positively per se.

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talldarknbald@reddit

Well yes, but I wouldn't say that's based only on skin color which this poll indicates.

I'm quite dark skinned for a Serb but I don't look Romani. Also black people are treated and regarded quite well here I'd say, at least in comparison to most places.

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winterhatcool@reddit

I’ve heard black people say they faced no racism in Serbia.

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tolkienist_gentleman@reddit

Serbs are very proud of their culture. If a foreigner comes and learns some serbian and partakes in shows, dances and singing, they are immediately loved.

In fact, that attitude makes them honorary Serbians.

You can be African, Arabic, Asian of all kinds, it doesn't matter. As long as you don't try to impose your way of life. When in Rome, do as the Romans.

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Robot_Nerd__@reddit

Same with Bosnia and Montenegro in my experience.

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Affectionate_Tell691@reddit

So brown skin bad, black skin good?

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mgborrr@reddit

From my observations african black/afro-american people are well accepted in the Balkans. There is mostly no racism towards them. The negativty comes from the gypsies, which locals kinda hate.

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v1qx@reddit

Turks are litterally black🙄🙄

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cikeZ00@reddit

We're all just Turks in disguise 🙄

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v1qx@reddit

Allah gave turkey all the land on earth at one point, glorious turkey republic gave it back💪💪🤑🤑🇲🇪🇲🇪

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LitoBrooks@reddit

LOL

Last time I laughed when a Turk explained me the difference between the WHITE skin of Turks vs the BLACK skin of Kurds.

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v1qx@reddit

Yeah its crazy, they love LARPing

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talldarknbald@reddit

Karaboğa cannot into Balkan!

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Kaloyanicus@reddit

Lol he asked specially you lol. The name says it all

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North_Resolution_450@reddit

Dark skin is associated with gipsies and with weddings and music

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DarKresnik@reddit

No, lol, absolutely no. At least for my country.

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jakob20041911@reddit

as a Belgian I was really surprised until I realised Muslims probably aren't counted in this graph. A lot of people here are racist and against black people they act like they're not, but against Muslims they will not hide it

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Prior_Scratch5646@reddit

Italy/Spain/Portugal have negative thoughts on their skin colors?

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zabojeb@reddit

This map is very outdated (with data from 2002 to 2015 as it says)

Times changed I think

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PanicCarefully@reddit

Serbia, yeah.

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NomadFallGame@reddit

That's quite odd, considering that europeans even hide criminals if they are not native europeans.

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LegEmbarrassed6523@reddit

Why tf is serbia so green

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TheWonderer011@reddit

Cuz it's not racist, duh!

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tattoo2006@reddit

I'm not racist, I just hate Serbs.

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LucianoPtEu@reddit

Maybe my work gives me a biased perspective about Spanish and Portuguese people, but every nation faces its own challenges. Both countries tend to reject the use of dialects of their language as spoken in former colonies. However, I disagree with the idea that Portugal is more discriminatory than Spain. While both have complex histories and relationships with their former colonies, it’s difficult to say that one is definitively worse than the other in terms of discrimination.

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Riqqat@reddit

of course monte"negro" has a positive opinion on blacks

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manguardGr@reddit

Serbia??? 😳

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Mou_aresei@reddit

Yes?

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DnsFabCCR@reddit

No

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Dry-Driver595@reddit

How is serbia so green?

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EphemeEssence@reddit

Not close at all imo

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Kofaone@reddit

Radio Liberty sucks ass

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Bbunio@reddit

Poland is super friendly to anyone that came here legally 🤝 On the other hand, with all these jokes and stereotypes I've heard - I'd say this is pretty accurate.

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Commercial_Salary155@reddit

It's not accurate, Kosovo is Serbia

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Ari003@reddit

The Balkan region in general has to be red

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Arberore@reddit

All people, no matter their skin color, are children of God.
I really do not get this emphasis society puts on skin color, it's silly.

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VegetableProject7390@reddit

Czechs are not racist, they just don't like other people, regardless of skin color. :-D

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Beginning-Hunt7327@reddit

Serbia not racial - that cannot be real

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elgarlic@reddit

Correct for Serbia, never seen or heard a racist comment based on skin. A lot of my acquintances who are different skin color feel really welcome and safe there

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Negative_Skirt2523@reddit

This is one of the consequences of the War on Terror, the mass influx of immigrants to Europe (due to all the wars) made them more prejudiced and bigoted against the Middle East.

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Unfair-Way-7555@reddit

The mass influx wasn't to reddest of the countries.

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AdLeading2870@reddit

I live in Russia, in Yekaterinburg. There are a lot of Blacks here and the attitude towards them is either neutral or curious, but not negative. OP just outlined his fantasies here.

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longusvulpes@reddit

Croatia is wrong! (dark red)

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31_hierophanto@reddit

What basketball does to a mf.

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Kova_Arg@reddit

Balkans green ! very surprice

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Swimming_Phase_5032@reddit

darker skins like to play victims to get u in trouble. Not a fan. Cheers

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afriadofbridges@reddit

not really most of the balkans dont judge based on skin colour but based on religion and the country u are from (also in the balkans)

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Zhuravell@reddit

If "black" in the poll means negroid black, then Russia, Ukraine and Belarus should be more like green to yellow.

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X_irtz@reddit

Oh wow, i am surprised we are the least racist from Baltics😅

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Even_Hedgehog_3675@reddit

Касательно стран пост-СССР - полная брехня. СССР в своё время был передовой страной в области равноправия. И эти идеи не исчезли вместе с СССР.

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TestingAccountByUser@reddit

turkiye wasnt shown here, but teens here call each other "black" and the n word as insults

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StamatisTzantopoulos@reddit

No way that's not a thick red colour for Greece...

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Individual_Leg_4042@reddit

My niggas✊🏿

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Flashy-Association69@reddit

The irony of Serbia being green and then using "I'm whiter than you" as a way to insult their neighbours lol.

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Neka_faca@reddit

What lol I have never once in my life heard anyone use that phrase, nor any insult towards any other Balkaners based on skin color, where did you get that info? Or do you just like talking out of your ass and shitting on Serbs for the sake of it? Especially considering that a lot of Serbs, especially from the south, are quite dark skinned and dark-haired and if anything, would often make fun of Slovenes and some Croatians for being blond/blue eyed/pale like the Germans..

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Flashy-Association69@reddit

Serbs online do it quite a lot whether it’s on Twitter or TikTok. If I had never seen it before, I wouldn’t have said it and just because you’ve never seen that doesn’t mean it’s never happened.

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Neka_faca@reddit

I’ll take your word for it, I have never personally seen anything like that nor does it make any sense, since, as I said, a lot of Serbs are dark-skinned and dark-haired,especially in the south, and often make fun of light haired and blue eyed Balkaners (I’m light haired and blue eyed, so I’m talking out of experience) but I beleive you if you say you saw it on TikTok.. sounds more like trolling or a running gag though, like Karaboga Turks or something, otherwise it just doesn’t make any sense..

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Responsible_Bee_8469@reddit

My skin color is not associated with my thoughts.

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Paradoxar@reddit

switzerland, belgium, france, sweden are green in my experience

Maybe some keyboard warriors but in real life it's fine

And in germany it's not germans who are racist, most of the time it's other eastern europeans migrants in germany who are.

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DrLu13@reddit

Of course serbia is less they are gypsies , they know it lmao

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Effective_Craft4415@reddit

I lived in ireland and czechia and its true about both countries. I have olive/tan skin colour and in czechia,, people associate it with romas

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enilix@reddit

Sadly not. Way too many racists here (who think they're not racist just because they begin a sentence with "I'm not racist, but..." or "I have nothing against Indians/Nepalis/etc, but...").

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ShibeMate@reddit

Why is serbia green ?

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WorldClassChef@reddit

Because Serbs know when to lie to their own benefit.

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Smashpongi@reddit

Albanians are known for backstabbing

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WorldClassChef@reddit

And you’re known for taking bottles up the ass

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AdvancedAd3228@reddit

In the city of Užice, in western Serbia, quite a number of black people live among us, for a city of this size. A few are from the United States, most are from African countries (Two of them are football players, and one is a Kenyan athlete), and there are even a few born here, children of black men and women with their local spouses.

Also, you can often see young women wearing veils around the city, as Novi Pazar is nearby, and young women and man from there study here without any issues.

Additionally, my neighbor is an Albanian from Kosovo. Last year, he was physically attacked by a Dutchman (due to some unresolved personal issues between them), but the locals defended him and called the police.

There is also a large family from Honduras living among us. They came through the Catholic Church because the father is a pastor, and his children grew up here not only without any problems, not only without any issues, but the guys are actually quite popular with girls because of their exotic appearance.

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Neka_faca@reddit

Why wouldn’t it be? The main point of conflict in the Balkans is ethnicity and religion, not skin color? If anything, Serbs always had a positive view of Africans and African-Americans, had a lot of economic and cultural cooperation and exchange with African countries during the Yugoslav-era, a lot of exchange students came during that time and some stayed and, on the hole, there hasn’t been much black people or immigration in Serbia for any (justified or unjustified) animosity to grow, so why would you expect Serbia out of all the Balkans to be racist? Or are you just that brainwashed by propaganda about big bad Serbs devouring children and commiting genocide for breakfast?

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North_Resolution_450@reddit

Black skin is associated with Gypsies and Gypsies are associated with musicians on weddings

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vladedivac12@reddit

The Serbian 1835 constitution rejected slavery.

The Constitution explicitly bans slavery stipulating: “The moment a slave steps onto Serbian ground he becomes free, as do those who brought him to or escaped with him into Serbia”.

Also, during Communist Yugoslavia, after Tito distanced himself from Stalin and the USSR, he created a non aligned coalition with a lot of African countries. That created collaboration programs such as student exchanges, black African students were not uncommon in Belgrade in the 60-70-80s.

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CoolmanWilkins@reddit

I remember reading this https://theamerikanka.com/black-person-serbia-travel-black-traveler-serbia-living/

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LingonberryMore960@reddit

The map is inaccurate. Serbia received this result because in that country, other races, especially those with darker skin, are literally a rarity. The average Serb has never seen anyone with darker skin in real life except for a gypsies. The country is considered non-racist, but it is actually highly racist.

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ProfessionalCrow7800@reddit

I’m disappointed by Romanias’ score, should’ve been 425

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Single-Ad-6086@reddit

I really hope Serbia is not the least racist country in Europe. I haven't met any "true" racists here, though, just a lot of very ignorant, bigoted people.

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Snoo-15899@reddit

In relative terms this map might be somewhat accurate or if you replaced “positive” with “neutral” or “meh”.

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Aztec_Aesthetics@reddit

Austria and the Balkans surprise me.

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InvestigatorJealous5@reddit

The f you mean slovenia is green we are racist femboys

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WannysTheThird@reddit

Do Serbians associate dark skin with Russia or something?

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tihivrabac@reddit

I think this doesn't have any correlation with other races or ethnicities, from my experience people with darker skin or tanned, so just ordinary white Croatians with darker skin tend to be associated with being prettier and attractive

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kingboz@reddit

Great example of how stats can be misrepresented. Every country had negative attitudes towards dark people, the green countries were just less so than the red.

I'm not surprised that the Balkans is less so than others, we seem to use all our energy on caring about someone's religion.

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Far_Communication805@reddit

I hate all religions equally

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Negative_Skirt2523@reddit

Well yea, racism is natural it's just that some countries are more racist then others.

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olivenoel3@reddit

I'm not surprised that the Balkans is less so than others, we seem to use all our energy on caring about someone's religion.

Speak for yourself

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Burazeer@reddit

This guy says otherwise

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olivenoel3@reddit

What am I supposed to make out of this photo?

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Still_Refrigerator76@reddit

I believe this is an Albanian in Kosovo desecrating an orthodox church.

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olivenoel3@reddit

From the war in 90s then. But that whole tging started after serbs destroyed catholic churches and mosques, so I don't get his point!

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Adventurous-Pause720@reddit

Technically, this was from the 2004 riots.

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Still_Refrigerator76@reddit

If you respect other religions you respect them. I understand doing that out of spite, but many of them were historical heritage from the byzantine empire. Serbs destroyed about 235 mosques, while the Albanians destroyed 154 religious objects in return.

I don't see any side having clean hands at that time.

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olivenoel3@reddit

Oh, you even have numbers there! Well considering how serbian oc denies the genocides/ethnic cleansings I don't see any reason why it should be respected by Albanians! And again this was a one time case and related to an ethnic conflict. We are not religious extremists is what I originally meant.

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Still_Refrigerator76@reddit

You cannot paint an entire nation by the actions of individuals. As i know many orthodox and catholic Albanians were upset about the destruction of christian monasteries across Kosovo.

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olivenoel3@reddit

You cannot paint an entire nation by the actions of individuals.

Well, it was the nation who undertook those actions. Supported by the church!

As i know many orthodox and catholic Albanians were upset about the destruction of christian monasteries across Kosovo.

Can confirm neither me nor the orthodox I knew cared any little about them.

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perverted_sperm@reddit

Serbian orthodox church is the biggest supplier of propaganda when it comes to Kosovo. Our hatred is not towards orthodox religion, it is solely for Serbian orthodox church

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Elyay@reddit

We understand the plight of black people, considering that we were under Ottomans for 500 years.

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PrincipleNo8733@reddit

Do you include the Roma in that

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vabriga24@reddit

Especially those ones.

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Exotic_Talk_2068@reddit

During Yugoslavia's non-alignment period lot of black students from Africa and India visited to study and live here for number of years, and some left to live here permanently so the personal experience with black people in countries of former Yugoslavia is mostly positive. People that have negative thoughts about people of other color in most cases have also negative thoughts about people that come from different village than them, narrowminded people are averywhere.

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ProfessorWild563@reddit

Seems outdated

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Public-Restaurant566@reddit

OK, but why would they think such things, especially when we talk about such innocent beings?

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Busy_Werewolf3392@reddit

What a nonsense.

Racism isn't about positive or negative, it is a hate, collective one.

Putting Harvard here does not bring credibility. TRUST ME.

And to all black victimized kids here — we Europeans do not give a f*ck about black people, we have our own racism(s) going on without you.

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Recent-Ad779@reddit

Red countries are more honest about their thoughts.. green ones are natural liars

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Nemtulkenetanulni@reddit

After living in Austria. I can say (I think except some parts of Wien) the People are far more racist than in Hungary.

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SirDoodThe1st@reddit

In some ways yes. Balkan people can sound pretty racist, but mostly out of ignorance rather than actual hate, we don’t have black people so people don’t understand when they’re being racist

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rogue-dogue@reddit

Probably it's in the green because there's no blacks there and people have a romanticized view of downtrodden Africans and black Americans.

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Top_Net_9309@reddit

Hahahaha. Serbia is green?

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Nocturnal_Animal1312@reddit

Why not?

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External_Education_5@reddit

How about gypsies?

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PrincipleNo8733@reddit

Gypsies have hate thrown at them for other reasons not for the colour of their skin

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SeaFr0st@reddit

I remember reading the comments last time this map appeared and it was explained that Serbia’s exposure to the NBA seemed to help. Not sure the veracity of those claims. 🥴

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nrliii@reddit

Alot of Indian and African students ever since Tito, studying medicine in Serbia for like 50 years now. A program by the non alligned countries. Serbia is not racist per se but xenophobic towards other Balkan countries and not even that. Only the village older folks are extremists young people go about their way.

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vladedivac12@reddit

Kids here need to learn some history

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nrliii@reddit

As others said its ethnic & religious based hate.

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relaksirano@reddit

biggest joke indeed. "radim ko crnac" who invented that line?

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slimNshadyHLM@reddit

Romania more racist than Greece doesn't seem right to me.

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PrincipleNo8733@reddit

I can’t speak for Romania, but I can for Bulgaria , and Bulgaria should be a darker red . All Romanian natives I have met have been very open minded decent people and I suspect are not racist same I would say for Ukrainian people , they are sceptical of foreigners but the open up when they know you , that’s not a bad thing, Bulgaria is very racist , I’ve been there 30+ times

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Lucky_Loukas@reddit

Why though?Genuinely asking.

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slimNshadyHLM@reddit

Several days ago I saw a Europe map presenting percentages of people thinking their culture is more superior than others and Greece had the winning percentage. Assuming that to be true, it could lead to looking down on others with inferior culture and to racism.
Anyway this is just my personal opinion and I'm not sure it is true.

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-BarrenWuffett@reddit

Romania ranked the second or third on that list. So going by your own logic, Romanians aren’t that far off from Greeks in terms of racism. Now I’m not saying this is false or true, I’m just pointing out how stupid the premise of your argument is.

Thinking your culture is superior ≠ muh racism

Do you think that Balkan cultures are superior to cultures that view women as subhuman and mutilate their genitalia, systematically oppress them etc or is it too racist for you even acknowledge the fact that not all cultures are equal?

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Aggressive_Limit2448@reddit

I don't believe either however Greece was more open and not socialist.

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apalepexp201@reddit

During communist era, many people from arab states like Syria, Egypt, Libya etc. came to study in Romania because we had agreements with these countries.

Not only arab ones but also from Asia too.

The prime minister of Vietnam studied in Bucharest back in the 80s.

So yeah i don't think it has something to do with socialism/communism specifically.

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LibertyChecked28@reddit

Socialism isn't the cause for racism, the USSR had international "acceptence" programs ment to make people more open mided towards other ethnicities and nationalities from Asia, Africa, and Latin America.

If something Greece never had any real reason to become "inclusive" as their gov model durring the 70's was xenophobic af.

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Aggressive_Limit2448@reddit

However in Balkans Greece was the only non communist country if we don't count Turkey. So as I said more open it received westerners

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Aggressive_Limit2448@reddit

However in Balkans Greece was the only non communist country if we don't count Turkey. So as I said more open it received westerners

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PrincipleNo8733@reddit

Ukraine and Czechia are to dark and Bulgaria isn’t dark enough

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Sufficient-Gas-4659@reddit

croatia serbia green?

what in tt he world is this list

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DocGerbill@reddit

They polled 280k people in 36 countries over 13 years and you expect this to make any sense?

First of all the sample is puny, second of all you'll get wildly different responses from say a German before the migration crisis and during it.

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No_Sleep888@reddit

I think yes, we're pretty racist nations but I believe we're quick to accept as well.

Do someone a favour and you'll probably still be "белчо циганина" but you'll be accepted warmly and people will have good things to say about you lol

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LegateZanUjcic@reddit

Former Yugoslavia's outlook is in large part due to being part of the Unaligned Movement during the Cold War.

That was then though. For Slovenia at least, I don't think the outlook is especially positive. More often than not the only dark skinned people Slovenes encounter are darker-skinned Roma, and that's a whole different can of worms.

We did have that one mayor from Ghana, not sure how that happened. But that's Prekmurje, attitudes might be different there.

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zee_pequeno@reddit

“Darker skin” and “racism” are a terrible pair of correlation. When most Europeans say “I prefer dark skin”, they mean tanned but of White ethnicity.

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relaksirano@reddit

"radim ko crnac" who invented that line??

Croatia or Serbia?

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Nocturnal_Animal1312@reddit

And how is this line in contrast with green color in the map? Do you even understand what "radim ko crnac" means?

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relaksirano@reddit

"I work hard as a Nig..." thats what means one of the most rasist phrases in ExYu

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averege_guy_kinda@reddit

Saying that black people are hard working is racist how?

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vladedivac12@reddit

It exists in other countries, France /Canada notably

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darksugarfairy@reddit

Crnac is not the N word. Crnac is just "a black person/man."

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Divljak44@reddit

Problem is with question, people may thought like summer tan

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MCOC81@reddit

K

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Equivalent-Ocelot818@reddit

No, Kosovo is Serbia and yes Serbia is not racist country like the other parts of Europe.

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bebilov@reddit

Bro stuck in the 90s lmao

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WorldClassChef@reddit

Well, considering that Serbian charlatans call us “non-white” and “non-European” on the daily, I think it’s more than fair to say that this is bullshit

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bebilov@reddit

Serbs being green here when they clearly hate everyone but Russia, is the tell this map is all wrong

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voolandis@reddit

Well, you're just not black enough.

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V3K1tg@reddit

seems about right here

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klemonth@reddit

Croatia should be same color as Czech. They had lots of attacks on POC in recent months. They are slowly becoming as hateful as Serbs, even tho they won’t admit it.

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VirnaDrakou@reddit

This sub is filled with people who have negative opinions about people with dark skin and many time use it to diminish others. Yet will cry if any “bad westoids” say something negative about them.

Bunch of hypocrites, wish we stopped being racist and think people with brown/dark skin are worth less.

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Still_Refrigerator76@reddit

There is no reason to hate people based on their skin color. You can hate people without limitations instead.

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VirnaDrakou@reddit

Hate people but equally!

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Still_Refrigerator76@reddit

I stand for the equality of hate lol 😆😆

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faramaobscena@reddit

Post this in /r/balkans_irl so we can have some fun with it.

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Still_Refrigerator76@reddit

What does this map represent? I just don't see color

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Chemical-Course1454@reddit

Ok ex Yu countries have low racism because of few decades of Non-allied propaganda of posters of kids of all the colours holding hands and waving flags to African dictators visiting Tito. Than you had African student in Beograd and diplomats, they were all elites of their countries so why would you have prejudice against well dressed and mostly well behaved people, driving nice cars and keeping it to themselves.

But I’m puzzled by Austria, compared to the sentiment in other Central European countries and immigration they have, why are they in green?

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VVavaourania@reddit

Not accurate. Macedonia is in Greece. North Macedonia this country is called

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DirtAlarming3506@reddit

My grandpa said it doesn’t matter what color people are, they can all be equally useless. So in that regard we aren’t that racist.

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RandomSvizec@reddit

I doubt it.

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Eastern-Bro9173@reddit

That's 2002 - 2015 data... wouldn't look like this with 2024 data.

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that_one_retard_2@reddit

I really find it hard to believe that if you’re darker-skinned, you’ll have a better time in London, Berlin or Paris than in Poland, Hungary or Romania. Paradoxically, people from the very homogeneous Eastern European countries are much less likely to commit hate-crimes against darker-skinned immigrants, simply because that kind of anti-immigrant, xenophobic, racist political rhetoric hasn’t reached those countries yet. Weird map

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sumimigaquatchi@reddit

I dont think this is a accurate map.

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Tenezill@reddit

How the hell is Austria green

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rodriguezmichelle9i5@reddit

for Romania it's more like...

white and black good, in-between bad

🤣

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Distinct_Read1698@reddit

Dark skin is positive in Serbia? Not a Serb myself, but this looks absurd

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vladedivac12@reddit

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Lumpy-Middle-7311@reddit

Don’t think this really means much

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realuduakobong@reddit

No

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frajer00@reddit

Yes czechia correct

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Emotional_Hunt4@reddit

Basically a racism map

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goggymcb@reddit

I mean, it's Montenegro, not Monteblanco.

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Ok_Structure_6518@reddit

Serbia green? Chart is bs lmao

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Embarrassed_Fennel_1@reddit

The hell is going on in Serbia?

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Vulproa@reddit

Oh hell nah!

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Martha_Fockers@reddit

I’m from Albania if you are black and come to Albania like the city Tirana or some shit you’ll find that you’ll be treated better than the citizens because it’s just rare to have a black person visits and a lot of Albanians like the nba and rap hip hop culture etc.

But if you go to some rural town In Albania like side of the mountains mfers are shitting in the fields still. Yea I’d worry about your safety

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Psychological_Life79@reddit

Lol 🤡🤦🏻‍♂️