Pricing of the 2025 Corvette ZR1 Starts at $174,995
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Moist_Potato_8904@reddit
Oh? I'll take two please.
MigratingSwallow@reddit (OP)
Color me surprised, totally thought the ZR1 would cost over $200,000... now price at the dealership..different story.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Z06 are going for MSRP or under, didn't take long for base C8 to go MSRP or under, if this were porsche different story, but GM have shown that even if it may take some time, they will build to meet demand.
lique_madique@reddit
3LZ with ZTK and aero will be way above 200K. I already asked my friend who owns a dealer.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Its $185,995 for the 3LZ coupe, ZTK + aero is $9,995, thats $195,990 for a loaded out coupe before destination, just under 200k. +$10k for the vert.
I'm sure for the first few months markups will put it above 200k, but MSRP is not "way above 200k"
MsAnneThropicOF@reddit
plus gas guzzler tax. it will be over 200k
AlrightAlbatross@reddit
Gas guzzler tax? In MY supercar?!?!
MsAnneThropicOF@reddit
according to MT, $6400 will be added to the sticker for the gas guzzler tax
lique_madique@reddit
Plus any options puts it way above that. Most specs are closing in on 230
hi_im_bored13@reddit
But thats not "3LZ with ZTK and aero will be way above 200K", thats 3lz + aero + ztk + options.
If you want to spend $15k on carbon wheels, $5k on paint and racing stripes, thousands on various bits of visible carbon thats on you. Doesn't mean the MSRP for the functional packages changes.
k0fi96@reddit
If you want free upvotes just mention markups with no up to date evidence
caterham09@reddit
Lol yup. I've seen people mentioning markups on cars that are actively being discounted. It takes a long time for people to adjust, but it's not 2022 anymore, and most cars are just sitting on lots.
Stu__Pidasso@reddit
Local markets definitely drive these posts. I can point to dealerships in my local market that are still marking up, while another market will be below MSRP for the same model and options. It's a pain in the ass
ZO6MiataXJR@reddit
I have twice driven several hours instate to save many thousands at a smaller-town dealer. MANY thousands.
w0nderbrad@reddit
I think it’s regional. I’m in so cal and I can basically walk into any dealer and they’ll have whatever on the lot. But apparently some states or areas still have wait lists for certain cars. Like the RAV4 prime. Being discounted in CA but other areas still have wait lists apparently.
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Larcya@reddit
I could go in and order a C8 at my local Chevy dealership and it would be at or below MSRP.
You would be a moron to pay for a markup these days.
KMKtwo-four@reddit
No evidence, just every low production sports car in the last 5 years.
AncefAbuser@reddit
GM isn't doing this as low production.
nolongerbanned99@reddit
I read they are making like 300k to 500k units
darkmoon72664@reddit
They only said they'd make as many as the market would take, IIRC.
300k to 500k is probably about an order of magnitude too high, as there are 176k total C8 corvettes across all trims. Just over a tenth are Z06s, historically.
nolongerbanned99@reddit
Yeah. Was joking bc the prior comment said it wouldn’t be low volume. I’m actually surprised on that 176k number.
taticalgoose@reddit
Good lord please add a /s if you're going to use sarcasm. It was not at all apparent that you weren't being absolutely serious.
nolongerbanned99@reddit
I will do this going forward.
ClearAccess3826@reddit
I haven't heard that one (300k to 500k). The best year for the C8 stingray production wise was 53K vehicles. C8 ZO6 production is less than 10K per year. My guess is the ZR1 will have less of a take rate due to the price. The average Corvette buyer will be priced out however, the new more influential purchaser will add a ZR1 to their stable.
Typical Corvette series last approx. 7-8 years. I don't think there are enough C8 production years left before arrival of the C9 series to reach such a high number (300-500 ZR1's). Typical historical sell rate of the ZO6 or ZR1 is small when compared to the Stingray.
On a side note, it is going to be an interesting year for car enthusiasts. The Porsche Turbo S until arrival of the Corvette ZR1 ruled the street for straight line speed and comfortable daily driving.
The ZR1 historically has the benefit of track credentials on its resume and now bringing increased straight-line performance to the mix. Let's hope its nemeses the GT2 RS shows up!
nolongerbanned99@reddit
I was being sarcastic to the prior comment that said ‘GM isn’t doing this as low production”
ClearAccess3826@reddit
Got u!
Terrh@reddit
How are there half a million people that can both afford and want a 200,000 dollar Chevrolet?
nolongerbanned99@reddit
Was sarcasm to the prior comment that said it’s not low production
GoHuskies1984@reddit
People have money. People with lots of money often buy multiple cars and replace those cars often.
Example - The Bugatti owner who rented an entire track to himself for a day.
For these people dropping $200K on a shiny new car is like the rest of us deciding to randomly treat ourselves to a morning coffee.
Mumphord123@reddit
No you didn’t lmfao
nolongerbanned99@reddit
Trolling. Sorry.
sc0lm00@reddit
It also doesn't mean they're doing fast production. Limited availability even with unlimited production still produces scarcity and markups. Same as the Porsche GT3.
KMKtwo-four@reddit
Every sports car that makes more than 1000 horsepower and costs 200K is low production....
Captain_Pink_Pants@reddit
Weird... I always thought it was based on how many they made... learn something new every day I guess!
I hope these come with a little plaque on the dash... "#336,891/500,000". Really makes it feel special, you know?
sanger_r@reddit
Pretty sure GM will build as many of these as they can sell.
nolongerbanned99@reddit
Not so sure… they have strict fines and penalties for low fuel economy models. I’m sure it is very low volume.
sanger_r@reddit
Not really, there's just the gas guzzler tax ($3,000) and CAFE, which is an average of all of GM's vehicles.
nolongerbanned99@reddit
I meant cafe but also what you said and that’s per individual unit sold I believe
sanger_r@reddit
CAFE stands for Corporate Average Fuel Economy. It's a threshold that the average MPG of all of GM's cars have to meet. They have plenty of fuel-efficient vehicles to sell at a slight discount to offset the slight decrease in MPG that ZR1 production would have.
nolongerbanned99@reddit
Ok. Fair but I’m 100% certain that a 1000plus hp car around 175k is very low volume.
objective_opinions@reddit
I am guessing they thought of this and have margin to cover this
nolongerbanned99@reddit
The market for cars in this price range is very slim. I doubt they plan to sell that many. Prob also want to limit production to make it more valuable in the future
KMKtwo-four@reddit
You heard ‘limited’. I said ‘low’.
boe_jackson_bikes@reddit
I live in a major metro area and every Z06 around me is marked up the gills even though it’s 18F and snowing outside. Guess I need to move to whatever la la land you live in
Project2025IsOn@reddit
Why is reddit so full of these people
https://i.imgur.com/ZbYHFDG.png
PlsHalp420@reddit
Have you been living under a rock?
k0fi96@reddit
I'm not saying they have never happened, but in today's market and economy they are not as ubiquitous as before. When was the last time you saw someone flip a car on an auction site for over MSRP? If private parties can't then neither can dealers.
PlsHalp420@reddit
Well, I couldn't find a gr corolla at msrp here when I looked recently.
k0fi96@reddit
There's a red one across the street from my apartment.
StrongOnline007@reddit
Join the Facebook group. Dealers list them for invoice frequently
King_Khoma@reddit
as someone who has been looking at C8s for years, it wasnt until last year that it became cheaper to buy used than buy new. atleast in my area.
ClearAccess3826@reddit
The C8 Stingray started selling in 2020. Discounts started in 2024. It took a while before buyers could obtain a deal.
LittlePup_C@reddit
Porsche does not like their dealers to sell above MSRP and will retaliate against the dealer if they’re caught. This retaliation can be as small as a slap on the wrist, all the way up to not allowing the dealer access to new cars.
Report your Porsche dealers that are doing this to Porsche.
-A Porsche tech working at a top 10 dealer.
NitroLada@reddit
Easy for dealers to bypass this. They do tied selling (must buy packages with it including a stupid 16k Porsche design watch), must lease through dealership, buyback clauses and give allocation based on your profile (eg buy 3 cayenne turbos to get your name on list for a GT3 etc)
zxrax@reddit
this is flat out untrue, dude. Maybe your dealer's ownership/management says that, or believes it to be true, but there has clearly not been retaliation against dealers for the ADM craze.
LittlePup_C@reddit
This is a cayenne at Beverly Hills Porsche. It is similarly speced and priced to the one I looked at, at my dealership.
And other from Champion Porsche.
And another from Manhattan Motorcars.
These three dealers are about the biggest money areas dealers there are. You’ve got me curious enough I’m gonna spec a 911 and we’ll see if they’re the same too.
agray20938@reddit
No shit Cayennes are available. A Cayenne, Macan, or Panamera are what schmucks have to buy before they can even get a whiff of a GT car (on top of a $20k minimum ADM)
zxrax@reddit
This really demonstrates that you don't know what you're talking about, or what I'm talking about.
First, and most obviously, ADM has never really been common on the non-sports cars. You could usually get one at MSRP, and often could just buy something brand new off the lot even throughout the scarcity of 2021/2022, if you just wanted a basic Taycan/Panamera/Cayenne/Macan.
But Porsche sports cars don't generally sit on lots, still to this day. You can't just walk into a dealer and drive off with a new one. They are almost always sold before they're even built and custom-specified by the buyer. Only in some relatively rare circumstances (like bonus allocations) will the dealer select the spec for a 911 or 718, and even in those cases the car is still usually pre-sold before it reaches the dealer.
For that reason, dealers never advertise the markup price, either. Because you couldn't (and mostly still can't) just buy something brand new that's in stock, it's not like there's any reason for them to put the actual sale price on their website. If you call to ask about something that appears in the inventory, the answer is "that shows up in inventory because it's on the way to the dealer, but it's already sold, sorry."
When you want to buy one, you go in and place a deposit to get on the wait list. This is when you find out what the markup is. Sometimes it's straight up cash, but oftentimes it's in the form of exorbitantly priced add-ons, ranging from timepieces to PPF to extended warranties. Sometimes it's "well, it would really help if you bought this Macan we want rid of..."
To be clear, ADM isn't necessarily a guarantee nowadays. You can almost always sit on a wait list and buy whatever you want at MSRP, even a GT3 (maybe not an RS though). But at most dealers there are two lists: one for people who are okay with waiting, and another for the buyers who just want the car, ASAP. They'll essentially pay ADM to jump the waitlist.
AlrightAlbatross@reddit
LOL. There wouldn’t be a single Porsche dealer left in California if Porsche NA cared about punishing markups. Their sales guys talk about limited edition markups like it’s something to be proud of.
breadbedman@reddit
I mean, maybe they won’t ask you for a markup, but to get on the list they can require you to spend a lot of money there on cars you don’t want. Basically the same thing.
LittlePup_C@reddit
I really can’t speak to allotments. As I was coming through Porsche training, I was instructed by my instructor that Porsche does not have allotments, but as I stepped into the real world they seem to be a thing. As I’ve previously said, I’m in the shop, and I don’t leave it much. So, I don’t know how they work exactly. The only ones I’ve heard of within the dealer is the people who buy the supercars.
If you buy a Porsche supercar, you get ‘rights’ to buy the next, along with the various special edition’s Porsche will release between them. There’s a catch though, you have to keep the car you bought with this ‘right’ for x amount of time. If it’s found you’ve sold it, you loose that ‘right’ entirely.
I’ve always wanted to ask, but never wanted to be disappointed again
evol450@reddit
My friend purchased a “used” GT3 RS for more than half a million. A lot of them for sale around me near that mark certified used. Porsche doesn’t care.
LittlePup_C@reddit
Oh used market is not regulated. Dealers will have deals with local rich folk. These people are regulars and are well known. For example Bob tracks his cars but only ever puts 2k on them. Dave likes to keep his in his garage, after a year or two we can expect him to put 500 miles on a car, and so on. So they’ll call these people up first. They’ll only be in the car for a short while and when they trade it in, the dealer gets mad profit with little depreciation.
It’s my understanding that Porsche doesn’t like this, but the used market is not watched. Porsche doesn’t make money on used cars, so they have zero stake in the game. They already made their money.
Porsche’s entire dealer design is, if you want one, come get one. If you can’t afford one, we’ll let you test drive one so when you can afford one, you come back to us. If I talk any further I’m getting too far out of my department and might start talking out my butt. However, there are metrics they watch to ensure volume and profit. Porsche has already done this complex math to find the right prices for things. Germans don’t like it when you ignore their factual hard work and do your own thing.
Finally, it’s always important to remember that Porsche is the highest grossing automotive manufacturer in the world for a reason.
LittlePup_C@reddit
I should add they don’t actually call these people first. We had one of our guys who do this wait like 2 years for a 992 GT3. It does happen, I’m sure more often than I’m aware of in the shop, but they don’t get a brand new model and literally start calling down a list. ^^^^I hope
MigratingSwallow@reddit (OP)
I'm curious to see if that's the case. The last gen ZR1 stayed more or less above market, but it was also a different buyers market at the time. On the flip side, they retain their value quite well, though, so there's that.
I guess it depends on how many GM pumps out, I guess.
KyledKat@reddit
Being a one-model-year car and the last FR Corvette didn’t do it any favors.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
Yeah exactly I'd be very surprised if we don't at least get two years of this considering how much investment GM put into the platform and that engine
Roonil-B_Wazlib@reddit
The C8 is expected through at least 2027 (almost 3 years). The E-Ray is pretty solid evidence the much anticipated Zora is coming too. GM has said they expect components to limit ZR1 production, not demand. I’d think the ZR1 runs for all 3 years with Zora being a final year variant. It’s also possible Covid fucked up the schedule and the c8 is extended to 2028 or 2029.
youra6@reddit
The C6 ZR1 existed for several years but it still sells for 80-90K.
killshelter@reddit
New 3LZ Z06 off the lot in my area is $162k right now. Even the base is $140k. And I live in a wealthy city.
These things are gonna be marked up like crazy here.
sanger_r@reddit
So buy a Z06 in a non-wealthy city for MSRP.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
3LZ Z06 with Z07 is like 150k MSRP so 162k might just be retail depending on which options it has, you add the carbon wheels which no gm dealer knows how to handle and thats another 15k
yellowcroc14@reddit
Wouldn’t be surprised if the eventual Zora will start at $199,995 at this point. Obviously it’d be the stripper model that not very many people would want though just like the non z07 package z06’s
spiketeam@reddit
A non z07 package z06 is not a stripper or something most people don’t want.
Hell I’d argue for most people a non z07 package z06 is where it’s at.
InkedInspector@reddit
Very few Z06s produced at Z07s, unless you are buying it as a dedicated track toy the Z07 is too just a tad harsh. GM even admitted the ZR1 will be softer and more forgiving than even a base Z06, to get a hardcore ZR1 you’ll have to opt for the full kill package.
I personally built my Z06 without the package, and it isn’t a stripped model, I even opted for the carbon aero. I just wanted it to be street usable and road trip friendly.
MigratingSwallow@reddit (OP)
I wonder how much better the Zora would actually be, though.
Dnlx5@reddit
Ya, it will be faster, not necessarily better. Still It will be awesome to see what the US can build for 1/4 million dollars.
darkmoon72664@reddit
A little bit heavier, 160hp and 122lb-ft bump, variable AWD.
It would be signicantly faster in a straight line due to AWD + Electric Torque + EV traction control, but track remains to be seen for both cars.
Roonil-B_Wazlib@reddit
I want a non-z07 z06.
killshelter@reddit
Considering the E-Ray is $40k more than a stingray, Zora will likely start well above 200k.
caterham09@reddit
Yeah I doubt one of these sells for under 240k for at least a year. That said if they don't actually limit production, this would be an insane car for under 200k (would be at under 300k even tbh)
Might even end up finally lowering the values of the c7 zr1, which have been astronomical for a while now
ClearAccess3826@reddit
If Chevrolet follows their Corvette playbook, they will sell 1/2 a year of 2025 ZR1's before switching to 2026 model year. The new model year will come with a price hike that could mirror your price estimate.
-ZeroF56@reddit
Almost definitely won’t lower values of the C7 ZR1, because people who are paying that for a C7 want it specifically because it’s not a C8 and is the last FR Corvette.
C7 ZR1 is effectively always going to be an untouchable car price wise because of it being “the last” assuming GM doesn’t return to the FR layout.
nujabes02@reddit
If anyone wanted a c7 zr1 they better buy one asap. Price is only goin up fr
Complex-Quote-5156@reddit
Meanwhile every one of us has picked up equity in our used cars in the past four years, but when a dealer market-prices a hot car (the same thing you do when you personally sell a used car), people who never will buy the car complain.
hi_im_bored13@reddit
If I would buy the car at base MSRP, but not at the marked up MSRP, then can I complain?
I don't think complaining should be limited to those who can afford to
Complex-Quote-5156@reddit
I don’t think complaining about prices at all is a great way to spend our limited Reddit cars real estate, but feel free to turn the worlds biggest car forum into a repetitive complaint fest that doesn’t even consider both sides of the issue, namely that every car enthusiast is net up on their investment at the same time.
Thinking further, it’s not actually something to get upset about, if you’re a fair person who can admit they’re also benefiting from this arrangement, instead of complaining about the downside.
More than anything, markup is to get a commitment at MSRP, not to somehow peel an extra 10k off a Civic Si.
It’s weird how these mega-posters that show up in every thread just love the current state of this website as a mealy-mouthed complaint fest with zero original content or thought.
johnso21@reddit
It’s just not true though. That’s a great strawman argument. “Every car enthusiast is net up on their investment” tell me you’re joking.
Complex-Quote-5156@reddit
Which enthusiast cars have gone down in value in the past 5 years?
I have more equity in my car than I paid for it five years ago, while putting miles on it. This is reflected across the market, I’m not sure how you can even argue this point.
johnso21@reddit
What car do you have? I have bought and sold tons of cars the past 5 years. I know the market incredibly well. I am partners with a nationally known name in a small dealership. You are misinformed. Or living in a bubble. Over the past 3 years 458 prices have come down. 488 prices. F12 prices. 600LT. 720S. I can keep going.
Complex-Quote-5156@reddit
Is this a serious discussion?
You listed speculative high-end purchases, which just like watches, have had a come-to-earth moment after the market froth of the past five years.
The same is not true for most cars, especially cars with a consumption-based value and are bought on a 6-7 year loan, not a 15-year interest-only loan on a speculative asset like most super car owners by volume do.
Let’s take a look huh? A 2016 Z06 was 72k in 2020, which I know because I wrote the check, and the same car is now 65k with twice the miles. A 2019 Z06 lists for 71,789 with 23k miles.
A used 2020 mustang GT base model, with 7000 miles, is listed for 36,998. That car had an original msrp of 35630.
Somehow aging a car close to six years and driving it 7000 miles increases its value. You’re right, totally normal market dynamics.
Another 2020 mustang GT Premium, a six year old car, with 26,899 miles, is listed for 34,990. That car had an original msrp of 39,995.
A 2018 Camaro 1ss, original msrp of 37,995, is listed for 27,988 with 109,226 miles. A seven year old car thats out of warranty, produced in the millions, and well out of finance range on miles for most lenders is worth 73% of original msrp.
Meanwhile the average depreciation on a 3- year lease is 30-35% with 36,000 miles driven. The bank agrees to buy your car back for 30% less at 36k miles, and they’re a bank, while the private market thinks this same vehicle is worth 30% less with 110k miles. Makes perfect sense, definitely the same market we had from 2000-2020, right?
I picked the first four results from cargurus, but if you want to ignore the entire market, be my guest.
johnso21@reddit
I’ll let your downvotes speak for themselves.
Complex-Quote-5156@reddit
Gotcha, so used cars with 7k miles being listed above msrp is a usual occurrence, and doesn’t validate exactly what I just said.
I’ll just let reality speak for itself, lol.
Spaghetto23@reddit
well they’re not selling used cars are they
johnknockout@reddit
Like anyone besides the owner of a dealer is going to get one of these for a while…
i_never_pay_taxes@reddit
Plenty of dealers sell C8 at or below MSRP even during the crazy price hikes. It’s just a matter of getting on a list for it.
Carl-99999@reddit
It is a literal hypercar. At 1100HP you cannot tell me otherwise.
PM_ME_HOUSE_MUSIC_@reddit
Hypercar has always been more than just top trumps numbers. Road presence, rarity and price tag are also big factors.
But I get the sentiment, this thing is insane.
the_house_from_up@reddit
In my opinion, a hyper car needs to also be on the bleeding edge of technology. The Corvette is an amazing value specifically because it isn't. Is there anything in this car that isn't pretty well established tech at this point?
zxrax@reddit
This will be the only ICE making north of 1000hp without an insane maintenance schedule -- I don't know what exactly to call it, but it's the bleeding edge of something.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Especially with the brand new lagless turbo technology GM's been cooking up for this car, it's definitely pretty cutting edge.
zxrax@reddit
got an article/reference for what you mean by lagless turbo? I think of the new 911 GTS hybrid when I hear no-lag, I thought GM was just rawdogging those big ol' turbos.
DaggumTarHeels@reddit
Agreed.
The automotive world as a whole seems kind of buttmad that GM's powertrain engineers dumpster everyone else when they're allowed to do their thing.
The Z06 and ZR1 have flat-plane crank V8s that rev to the moon, can be produced at scale, don't cost a fortune, make more power than many "exotics", are easier to maintain, etc. etc.
And even if you want to get pedantic, the header design on the LT6 is bleeding edge at the very least. Moving up to the ZR1, the headers, lagless borg-warner turbos, etc. are bleeding edge.
By any conceivable metric they are hypercars. The C8 Z06 is a 458 without a horse badge, and for me, that's a positive, I dislike Ferrari for various reasons.
The ZR1 glazes pretty much anything under $1MM.
ClearAccess3826@reddit
I plan to keep our ZO6 HTC and purchase a ZR1. First year (2025) will be impossible to obtain due to ADM and short model year. 2026/27 model year will be the one for us at an increased MSRP price.
Kavani18@reddit
It’s called the bleeding edge of “GM runs like shit forever”. This one is on the “GM goes vroom vroom and I can get parts online” end of the spectrum
the_house_from_up@reddit
That's yet to be seen. But it will be much cheaper, as I imagine an oil change will be less than $500 and tires won't be several thousand dollars each.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
They'll be rare still, don't expect huge production numbers on the ZR1. Price tag is irrelevant, it's a car that does 233mph, if a 918 Spider is a hypercar the ZR1 gets to be one.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
So because of its widespread production, you’re saying it’s the People’s Hypercar
Therealconman16@reddit
Yeah, top .01% of people owning them is what makes them Hypercars imo. Mainly that elite community
Lionkingjom@reddit
They'll sell as many as they want of these, and it'll be more than every other hypercar, but it's not like they're going to be regular traffic.
delebojr@reddit
It's not just any hypercar, it's a hypercar that you can buy and service at one of nearly 3,000 dealerships across the US of A.
randeus@reddit
I would never trust the average GM dealership to touch this car.
thisisjustascreename@reddit
Does the 'average GM dealership' even have a Corvette technician?
randeus@reddit
No clue. But I don’t even take my Mustang GT to a Ford dealership. If you can afford a car like this, you can afford taking it to a good, reputable performance car shop.
snaaaaaaaaaaaaake@reddit
Dude.
Odd-Refrigerator-425@reddit
I don't blame him, the 2 dealerships that tried to fix my FoRS were both clueless lol
snaaaaaaaaaaaaake@reddit
Yeah but a GT? That engine is Ford's bread and butter. If they don't know how to work on a Mustang, they probably don't know how to work on anything, which is entirely possible.
I had good experiences with my local Ford dealership when I took my Boss 302 in, but I'm sure quality of dealerships varies greatly.
James_Vowles@reddit
Specialists are always better, and cheaper
James_Vowles@reddit
its not a hypercar
xlb250@reddit
Lol my local dealer couldn’t even align my Camero
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johnso21@reddit
😂 the most common sports car ever made is in no way shape or form a hypercar. You’re using HP to define the term. So every 1100hp supercharger camaro is a hypercar?
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
On the flip side, is every rare sports car instantly a hypercar simply due to its rarity?
The ZR1 fuckin rips dude, let it be a hypercar
megacookie@reddit
Lamborghini and Ferrari don't even consider the Revuelto and SF90 to be hypercars, even though they are bloody expensive and cross the 1000hp mark. The ZR1 isn't a hypercar, but it's possibly a hypercar slayer. Which is a lot cooler.
AmNoSuperSand52@reddit
I said in another comment that it could be the People’s Hypercar
megacookie@reddit
I feel like "people's hypercar" is a bit of an oxymoron. But that does describe this car pretty well.
Intrepid-Working-731@reddit
My favorite hypercar is the Kia Elan
Bluecolt@reddit
The ZR1 isn't built like a typical car just with the addition of huge HP, but it does benefit from being built by a large manufacturer with economy of scale like a typical car. Basically, if a boutique manufacturer made an exact copy of the ZR1 and priced it accordingly, people would consider it a hyper car.
johnso21@reddit
Yes because rarity is a criteria.
00espeon00@reddit
Hypercar = Rarity & not being American made. The z06 can’t even get the Supercar title because it’s made in America.
Anything in America = Muscle to the general population
Cockeyed_Optimist@reddit
I can't even imagine. I have a BMW and my wife a Mini. That car is equal to three of mine plus hers. Insane.
James_Vowles@reddit
it's not a hypercar, horsepower is the least important metric
mugdays@reddit
In that case, the Lucid Air Sapphire is a "hypercar" lol
unatleticodemadrid@reddit
Disagree. It doesn’t meet the rarity and pricing aspect. From what I’ve noticed, those, along with performance are the three criteria people use to categorise hypercars. The performance is certainly up there though.
-Guesswhat@reddit
So a Hennessey Jeep Cherokee is a hypercar?
stoned-autistic-dude@reddit
There are few times I wish I was rich.
992 GT3 RS, 911 S/T, GMR T.50, Valkyrie, and now this…
StrongOnline007@reddit
I'll take one! All I need to do is save up one hundred and seventy five thousand more dollars
UGMadness@reddit
Plus tax!
StrongOnline007@reddit
That's where the extra $5 I budgeted comes in! I'm assuming if I'm rich enough to buy this car I will also be in a position to effectively pay almost zero tax
marinuss@reddit
Just follow the influencer tax plan and "write off" the car because you made a video with it so it's a "business expense" then die later when the IRS comes after you and don't post those videos.
I_like_cake_7@reddit
Option #2 is to just set up a shell company in Montana and pay zero sales tax on it. That’s one of the oldest tricks in the book when it comes to rich people dodging sales tax on expensive cars.
falcon0159@reddit
Its also not as cheap as you think. On top of the annual registered agent fees and company setup, most of these places charge $750 for initial registration. Then MT charges an annual luxury tax with the registration on any car with an msrp over $150k, until the car is 11 years old. that fee is $825 or 850. Then the annual registration is $150-250, so kinda pricy depending on what state youre from. Anyway, if you buy and register a $175k car in Mt, you will pay $5-6k over 5 years. Cheaper than sales tax, but not by much.
marinuss@reddit
That option is widely misunderstood and depends on the State you actually live in. In California you legally can't do that as your car has to be registered in California, eventually you'll be caught and owe all the back registration and fines for that plus the sales tax.
coolmanjack@reddit
So your current balance is -$5?
lique_madique@reddit
That’s what happens when you buy an RS3. Mods suck the money out of your account
TunakTun633@reddit
I'm curious. What do you do with an RS3 to modify it?
lique_madique@reddit
Personally I think it’s a great platform stock but really shines when modified, even if it’s just boltons. It’s also common for the waterfall effect to begin until you are in deep. Exhausts make them sound amazing but still quiet when cruising, intakes make the spool from a whit to a cabin filling noise and gives you more blow off sound, tunes make the shifting insanely fast and the car gains very good power. It’s common to do intake, tune, air inlet, injectors, and an E85 tune and you can get up to 600whp. You just have to limit torque which is the weak point on the stock motor and all the reputable tuners know this. I’m on drop in internals with a stock block and can push 850-900 AWHP reliably. It’s a slow decent into madness as I already want to make more power but have to sleeve it.
wuZheng@reddit
This guy builds. That five cylinder is no joke. I have dreams where I swap the EA888 with it and the DQ500 into the Golf... Maybe if I still have the chassis a decade later...
TopHatTony11@reddit
Month after the holidays is brutal.
ClearAccess3826@reddit
You must be in Texas. Here on the east coast, it will cost us an extra $20k to play.
Specialist-Size9368@reddit
It's all you then man. I think it is an amazing piece of engineering but I have zero desire. My buddy just agreed to buy a c5 z06. For me that sounds like more fun to drive than this new one.
marinuss@reddit
Just follow the influencer tax plan and "write off" the car because you made a video with it so it's a "business expense" then die later when the IRS comes after you and don't post those videos.
thisisjustascreename@reddit
Less than a "base model" GT3 by like 50k
BigCountry76@reddit
No matter how awesome you make a Corvette it will never have the brand cache of Porsche, let alone Porsche GT cars.
Educational_Age_1333@reddit
Love how the Corvette is bringing out the insecurity of Porsche fans.
Even if it's better, it's still not good enough.
NitroLada@reddit
Porsche guys don't give a lick of thought about Corvettes. Just like Corvette guys wouldn't give a thought to a Tesla even though objectively, the Tesla is faster and cheaper
BigCountry76@reddit
I'm not a huge Porsche fan and definitely not insecure about anything car related. Just commenting on why Porsche can sell a "lesser" vehicle at a higher price point.
Bombaysbreakfastclub@reddit
Yeah but who cares
Badges are for narcissists
BigCountry76@reddit
A lot of people care, hence the difference in MSRP and almost more importantly resale value.
BTTWchungus@reddit
Are you buying a car to drive or to stupidly invest? Stock market will do better
NitroLada@reddit
Actually car will do better and provide utility. I buy and drive Porsche GT cars for a year or two and then sell it back to dealer for above msrp and get my next car. So made some money and got a car to drive for couple of years . I just lease too so not like I'm dumping the 200k for a GT4 (in Canada with tax) ..I'm just paying lease payments. I end up breaking even or make a bit of money when I trade car back in for next allocation after a year or two
BigCountry76@reddit
You can drive and enjoy a car while still caring about resale value.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Maybe you should be a Corvette owner then, that's all half of them care about.
Seaworthypear@reddit
Who cares? Literally everybody
Need proof? The best Corvette is always the newest. And each generation gets cheaper and cheaper on the used market
Go look at 930 turbos, 964s, 997 gt3rs, etc. those all have skyrocketed. So yes, everyone cares
Motohvayshun@reddit
You know what’s funny? You say that now, but GM is fielding an F1 team. That along shows more balls than Porsche does. 1969 ZL1 sold recently for 3 million. What are you smoking?
Plenty of Vettes have sold for over a million. You’ve lost the plot.
sanger_r@reddit
Plenty of classic Corvettes are priced well into the 6 figures now, L-88s go for well over a half-million. The 2019 ZR-1 has been going for way over MSRP since it's introduction.
ThunderGod_Cid13@reddit
Because corvettes are produced at 10x the volumes lmao top trims like the z06s and zr1s still command high prices and are still badass.
There literally were 23000+ c6 z06s vs 2300 997.1 GT3s.
Notonfoodstamps@reddit
~27,995 by my count. Still, your point stands lol
Seaworthypear@reddit
If you have to use the zr1 as your example then you're proving my point
ThunderGod_Cid13@reddit
So you can choose top dog Porsches but Chevy has to choose their base model? Lol ok
Exotic_Pollution8346@reddit
I think this gen of 911 long term will be worth the least for that very reason, they're pumping out insane numbers
Thomas_633_Mk2@reddit
Define "best", my dream vette is a C5 or C7 Z06
Bombaysbreakfastclub@reddit
It’s cool if you care dude.
But there’s a reason you don’t see luxury badges on pick ups.
Just silly to think everyone cares
Seaworthypear@reddit
Bro it's not about the badge. It's the fact that Porsche has been building quality cars for 50 years. Have you driven a c3, c43, and C5 Vette? They kinda suck
Bombaysbreakfastclub@reddit
Yeah man… my point is who cares about the badge. Which you now seem to agree with
Seaworthypear@reddit
Who cares what the badge is. But it's actually the build quality that matters. A 996 and 997 still feel good today. A c5 and c6 (similar years) feel cheap and are all over the place
That's like saying rolls Royce buyers are just there for the badge
Acuta@reddit
You’re missing his point. He responded to someone saying “No matter how awesome you make a Corvette, it never will have the brand cache of Porsche.” While this is a true statement, some of us think that caring about a brands badge is stupid. I’ve never driven a 911 GT3 or a Corvette ZR1 of any generation, but let’s assume this ZR1 truly is better in every metric than the 911. People will still buy the 911 because it’s a Porsche and discount the ZR1 because it’s just a Chevy.
If Genesis or Toyota made a car that was legit better than a Rolls, then I would rather have the Genesis because I couldn’t care less about the Rolls badge, or history, or anything like that really.
If Kia made a supercar that blew the ZR1 or any Porsche out of the water, I would definitely have the Kia.
Bombaysbreakfastclub@reddit
Good luck with that guy. Don’t waste your time 😂
sweeney669@reddit
Not only that, Porsche actually supports their older models better than probably any other manufacturer by a considerable margin.
Juicyjackson@reddit
Go try and buy a C7 ZR1 Manual... let me know how that goes.
ItsMe-Luke@reddit
If I had the money, I would totally buy a knock-off 911 or 718 from Chevy. Styling is like 80% of why you buy a sports car and Porsche's do look pretty neat.
The BRZ/86 already looks like a 911 and a ton of people bought them.
UltimaRS800@reddit
Yeah but it will fuck Porsche up in racing, on road, on straight and on track. Hell Z06 is faster than GT3 on drag and on track already.
blunted09@reddit
Not even brand cache, just quality in general. Love the vette for what it is though
lostboyz@reddit
idk seems like they've been racing next to each other for a long time, amateur and professional. There's a ton of people who own both and don't have time for arguments like this.
There's absolutely a population of people who will never be convinced a corvette is as special, but those people aren't really fun to talk to anyway.
PinkishOcean430@reddit
Corvette is as old as Porsche. It has its own stories past, with its own long list of racing success. They are built to a lower price point, but to suggest Corvette doesn't have cache is ignorant at best.
-Owns a GT3
Bld556@reddit
It's actually cachet, & no matter how much the Porsche has, their lineup of vehicles still look like an army of bloated frogs.
ItsMe-Luke@reddit
They definitely do but I think that's what makes them look unique and not make them look too cookie cutter supercar-ish.
There's just something about the styling of having a long nose and short back that makes a car look good, something like the AMG GT. Although I don't know how Chevy would fit their engine in that layout.
thisisjustascreename@reddit
How fast does brand cache go in the standing mile?
BigCountry76@reddit
99% of buyers will never go anywhere close to the cars top speed.
This isn't a knock on the Vette or Porsche. Just pointing out the reasoning for the price difference .
ItsMe-Luke@reddit
Honestly it feels like American carmakers, especially Chevy go for that flashy, aggressive, and masculine vibe with their designs, while European brands like Porsche lean more into sleek, minimalist aesthetics. If Chevy ever styled the Corvette with that same kind of understated elegance Porsche is known for, I bet a lot more people would flock to it—especially since Chevy’s pricing is way more accessible. Heritage and pedigree aside, that combo would be hard to ignore, IMO.
It’s kinda like comparing Jordans (Chevy) to Common Projects (Porsche). One’s hyped and loud, the other’s clean and subtle—both great, just totally different vibes.
StrongOnline007@reddit
I'll never be able to afford this car but damn it feels good to see a clearly ridiculous car at a decent price considering its performance. I will also never be able to afford a new Porsche 911 but the pay to play aspect, huge price increases, and Porsche owner... vibe... would probably push me to the ZR1 if I was in the position. Even though it's ugly
TatteredOaths@reddit
I’d take a gently used 2022 corvette any day lmao 😂
BlueAc215@reddit
Sold my 2023 C8 recently and miss it dearly. Hopefully in a year or 2 I can get a Z06.
TatteredOaths@reddit
My old boss was a huge Porsche and Corvette guy, he landed the very first Corvette I know in my area; also sold one of the rarest 911s here; also around here lol. I guarantee he’s upgrading to this beast lmao 🤣
drinkdrinkshoesgone@reddit
He landed the corvette and sold a rare 911? You sure he didn't land the 911 and sell the corvette?
TatteredOaths@reddit
He showed me it sitting in his garage with about 6 other 911s lol it was his retirement purchase for sure lol.
drinkdrinkshoesgone@reddit
Was it a 2001?
TatteredOaths@reddit
He had some older generations, 70s and 80s and 90s. I remember it being a white turbo with barely any miles. I think he sold it for cash lmao
drinkdrinkshoesgone@reddit
That is pretty cool. I'm a big fan of older porsches. I was making a joke about 911 2001.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
As a ZO6 owner so it. Car is an improvement over the base in every way
BlueAc215@reddit
I can just imagine it. Hopefully in the near future I’ll be able to scoop one up!
mrob2@reddit
Why did you sell? I’m considering one
BlueAc215@reddit
Just personal reasons, I had my fun with it and wanted to get out while I still could. I wanted to take some time to lock in and invest to build more for my future. In a perfect world I could do both but I couldn’t lol. I’ve had a Charger Widebody Hellcat, TRX and C8 all within the last few years. Hands down the C8 was my favorite and I’ll own another one in the future.
ClearAccess3826@reddit
Its less than the Porsche turbo or turbo S. 2025 will be an interesting year for sports car enthusiasts.
BigOldButt99@reddit
I swear the 992 GT3 started at like 150k when it came out, they just cranked the price up like 70k over a few years because they were selling for 250-300k on the 2nd hand market immediately.
Jaymez82@reddit
Yawn. The Corvette was interesting when it was an obtainable dream car. It’s jumped the shark.
eaglerulez@reddit
Honestly this is the perfect price point for this car.
On paper it should blow the doors off of the 720S, Hurracan, Aventador, F8, 296, etc. Should more than hold its own against the newer Ferraris and Lambos being released as well.
Obviously I know folks aren't exactly cross shopping these vehicles. But I would easily take one of these over a used 720S at $200K.
evol450@reddit
2LZ with the ZTK package is all you need. Should be right under $200,000.
Waefuu@reddit
what are the differences btwn the 1/2/3lz?
evol450@reddit
Damn! 3LZ just adds real leather on the dash, doors, and you get a suede headliner. Does not hold up overtime hence the 2LT/LZ being the sweet spot.
Doip@reddit
Also better speakers and some cameras
evol450@reddit
No. 2LZ has the same speakers.
Waefuu@reddit
How come the suede/leather doesnt hold up? You’re saying that having plastic bits would be better? I feel like on the 3rd party market the 3lz would be more sought after because of the ventilated seats & extra leather bits… because leather is leather.
Because I’m pretty sure the demographic that would buy this have extra funds to splurge & invest in products to extend & protect the leathers life
evol450@reddit
Leather becomes undone and it’s a very expensive fix if you’re outside of warranty.
MsAnneThropicOF@reddit
there is no 2LZ
Motohvayshun@reddit
Been on Fchat for over a decade at this point, and there is plenty cross shopping going on.
DaggumTarHeels@reddit
You'd be surprised. A coworker of mine has a Huracan, a C8 Z06, a 488 Pista, and is gonna get a ZR1.
He's selling his Z06 and Pista once it arrives. I think that speaks volumes to what GM has done with the platform and powertrain.
MiataMX5NC@reddit
That's actually miraculous
Uptons_BJs@reddit
Chevy is pricing these really aggressively, and trying to make it up in volume, which looks to be working! if you told me 5 years ago that soon, we can get a car of this tier under $180k, I would not have believed you at all.
The C8 is easily outselling everything in the category outside of the Mustang.
Dementedsage@reddit
I mean, is the mustang really competing with the Corvette these days? The Corvette is basically a budget supercar at more than double the MSRP these days. I'd argue it's closest competitor is the Porsche Cayman.
nocabacon@reddit
It's closer than I would have guessed. In 2024 GM sold 42.9k C8s and Ford sold 44k Mustangs. 2023 GM sold 53k C8s. They're not comparable on paper but given Dark Horse and GT Premium pricing cross shopping with Stingrays is inevitable.
trolololoz@reddit
It’s slowly losing its mid life crisis stigma.
SonnyG696@reddit
911 proudly took that crown 2021
ClearAccess3826@reddit
First time ever the average Corvette age dipped below the Porsche crowd. The change in demographic was due to the introduction of the C8.
assblast420@reddit
Wow, no wonder the used prices are dropping so fast with those numbers. I like that.
Whiteyak5@reddit
And the Mustang is inflated with the cheaper 4 cylinder models right?
TheWeinerThief@reddit
Eh, those buyers probably aren't cross shopping the Corvette but yes
Chaff5@reddit
I think he meant that of the 44k mustangs sold, a lot of them were 4 cyl models.
godisoursavior@reddit
no doubt
V8-Turbo-Hybrid@reddit
Just kind shock in both sales number, how close between two. I can really see GM no reason to keep Camaro.
OpenJelly1437@reddit
I mean the Tesla Model Y has better perfromance in aceleration and it costs half as much...and it's a family sedan
SVTraptor99@reddit
911 s with a few options or ZR1 with over double the power, easy choice
T0lly@reddit
Exactly, the 911 is the best choice every time.
SVTraptor99@reddit
Definitely not a 911 s to a ZR1
instantur@reddit
175k for 1000hp stock is pretty damn good
ClearAccess3826@reddit
Our ZR1 will be an addition to our small stable of vehicles. It will be driven frequently and not become a garage queen. I don't get caught up in the hyper car/supercar argument. It simply is the vehicle that meets my expectation regardless of price.
For those of us that are Corvette enthusiasts the ZR1 nemesis has always been the GT2 RS. The last battle was in 2019 between the GT2 RS, ZR1, and 720S. The GT2 RS won that battle. This is the first time the ZR1 competes on two levels. The track level and the street as it relates to the Turbo S insane straight-line speed. I wouldn't consider the turbo S a track car compared to the ZR1 or GT2 RS however, as a streetcar its prowess was unmatched until recently. The new ZR1 will do battle with the turbo S and possibly a new GT2 RS at the same time. Outstanding!
Theteacupman@reddit
I'm always suprised at how GM can sell a car with that much technology in that cheap
Bluecolt@reddit
They have economies of scale that smaller manufacturers don't have. Lots of engineering costs and whatnot they can amortize across multiple models and higher production numbers.
Candid94@reddit
GM is 6th in scale behind VW (being 1st), Stellantis, Toyota, Mercedes, Honda etx. GM made a choice. Others don't bother. Porsche is owned by Volkswagen, and while Porsche could follow a similar approach, they choose instead to premium price the 911 by marketing it as an exceptional car to buyers who have been conditioned to believe in its superiority.
Salty-Dog-9398@reddit
It will be interesting to see how Porsche will respond to the collapse of their China business. This is a huge loss of money+units that helps pay for R+D.
I would bet dollars to donuts that Porsche is going to try to cash in a little too hard in the NA market to make up this loss and it will knock them off the perch they currently occupy in the 5-10 year timespan.
Candid94@reddit
Porsche will still stay on top. They have brand value that goes beyond value. They’re peddling out $100k+ cars with manual seat adjusters and people are buying them.
Salty-Dog-9398@reddit
They can't afford to keep making cars like that if they don't sell a bunch of Macans/Cayennes with high margins as well.
Candid94@reddit
The 911 will always sell
Lower_Kick268@reddit
That's what happens when a company isnt trying to pamper to people with fucktons of money, they make cars for normal people lol. A lot of supercar companies like Ferrari keep the prices super high and production low to keep the doors open and resale value high, it's a selling point for them. GM doesn't care about the resale value, if you wanna buy a ZR1 GM will be happy to sell you one and service it at one of the 3000 dealerships.
Illbe10-7@reddit
It's almost like most cars are overpriced as hell.
asimo3089@reddit
I love this generation of Corvette. They are STILL eye catching. It's insane power. But at these prices are they really the budget hypercar? This is used Huracan territory.
Motohvayshun@reddit
I mean there are people who spend 4 million on just a Corvette.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Yeah well it's not just any Corvette, it's a 1064hp Corvette, a Corvette that runs a 9.4 second quarter mile with a warranty.
no_cigar_tx@reddit
I’m in the same boat. Yes. It’s a “bargain for what you get”, but this is still $200k for of all things, a Corvette.
Odd-Refrigerator-425@reddit
I suppose there are people in areas out there who don't want it, but it's crazy to me to have to option heated seats on a $175K car lol
MsAnneThropicOF@reddit
No idea why you would be driving a 1000hp RWD car when the roads are frozen over. I've never needed them once in my z06. If the weather is bad enough to warrant heated seats, there's no point in driving it, you have absolutely zero grip.
Lawineer@reddit
Wow. If I can get one for msrp, it’s going to be a tough call between that and keeping viper.
PanadaTM@reddit
As someone who grew up in a GM family, keep the viper, that car is special and will only become even more special with time
Lawineer@reddit
I have had a lot of GM vehicles, including 3 vettes and 3 Camaros. I love the viper but the zr1 has me hot and bothered.
D-Smitty@reddit
Vipers are beautiful in a way the C8 is not.
Motohvayshun@reddit
The Gen 5 viper looks like a catfish.
iRkoobz@reddit
Yes, but ONE THOUSAND horsepower
Lower_Kick268@reddit
I'm a GM dude and own a ZO6, keep your Viper, that car isn't losing value like these will. Those were so special, I'd kill to own one someday
Dnlx5@reddit
Wheres the ZORA!
MsAnneThropicOF@reddit
I'm both disappointed and relieved at the same time. $149k I would have done it (if my dealer honored MSRP, I'm #2 on the list), maybe tried to stretch it at $159, but $175+ is just out of my price range.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
You can afford it, you got all those vehicles and a Maybach, you're not hurting for another 25k to buy that car.
MsAnneThropicOF@reddit
hey hu, I'm gonna sell your Mercedes, lose $100k on it, take out a loan to buy a 1000hp car when we have 0 debt and you can drive the Wrangler to work is not a conversation I want to have. I'm good with what I got.
spiketeam@reddit
So for about the same price as a well spec-ed 911 carrera S I can have this?
'Murica
dam_sharks_mother@reddit
And 95 out of 100 us would still buy the Porsche.
flapsmcgee@reddit
Saying this about a car nobody has ever even driven yet is a little ridiculous
dam_sharks_mother@reddit
Yes, but let's not pretend there is not precedent here. How many generations of these cars now has the Z06 model clearly been faster than the Carrera S equivalent? And which one is held in higher regard and more sought-after not only by people who casually drive their cars but also drive them on the track?
Motohvayshun@reddit
What numpty prefers a Carrera S over any Z06 I. The track?
flapsmcgee@reddit
This is the ZR1. They've historical been compared to 911 turbos and GT2s performance wise. If you're comparing them to a Carrera S, then yes the ZR1 is more desirable.
If you look at the 2019 ZR1 they're going for around $150k+ used, 2019 Carrera S is around $100k.
Motohvayshun@reddit
If this were true all those people buying 100K Zo6’s must have never existed.
ob_knoxious@reddit
I honestly never understood the comparison between the 911 and the Corvette. A 911 is close to a grand tourer. You can get a very luxurious 911 with a backseat that is fairly quiet and with compliant suspension, its the livable daily sports car. You cannot daily a 1000 horsepower RWD ZR1.
xlb250@reddit
Corvette is also a grand tourer
Juicyjackson@reddit
This or a Carrera 4 GTS.
B1Turb0@reddit
C4 GTS
Navetoor@reddit
And get absolutely shat on by a ZR1 lmao
DreamBiggerMyDarling@reddit
yeah but you wouldn't care cause you're in a 911, just a different vibe
DaggumTarHeels@reddit
It is a different vibe, but I would. The 911's I've driven have been fun, but I wouldn't pay anywhere near $180K for a C4. And that's with no options. If you've never sat in a stripper Porsche, go do it. You'll be gobsmacked at how cheap they feel.
xlb250@reddit
I’ll take the 911 easily
Lovelyy_Twilitee@reddit
beautiful car
FR_Van_Guy@reddit
$300,000 in Canada (guess, nothing official yet).
Tears, from Canada.
Carl-99999@reddit
In exchange you get free healthcare and tuition
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Except it's really shitty healthcare. My friends from Canada hate how long it takes to see a doctor or get any procedure done
DaggumTarHeels@reddit
The wait times in rural america are not that different.
You have to balance the two. CA has undercut their public model and we've deregulated our for-profit model such that hospitals have moved towards enshittifying their services (IE: letting people die or putting them in debt for life) to pad the bottom line.
FR_Van_Guy@reddit
That’s what the 75k in taxes on top is for.
Not complaining. Here in BC it’s a combined 30% tax rate on a car @200k+, 20% provincial and 10% federal. Plus the income tax that was charged at the source. So a $200k car is actually over $450k in pre tax income assuming the income is earned in the highest marginal tax bracket.
-Guesswhat@reddit
No no, it's free healthcare. That's what everyone says.. /s
evol450@reddit
No sense to buy new anymore in Canada unless you like lighting money on fire. We paid $80,000 in just taxes on our Escalade V. I’m looking to replace my C8 Stingray for a Z06 and I’ll be damned if I pay someone’s yearly salary just in tax.
Bombaysbreakfastclub@reddit
Free tuition?
More states in the U.S. have free tuition than we do.
yhsong1116@reddit
free? yes, free to suffer and die.
Nero_Wolff@reddit
This is one of the reasons I have left Canada. Here in the US, the numerical cost is less (even if converted is higher) and incomes are higher. Cars are very unaffordable in Canada
substitoad69@reddit
This car somehow looks better the more aggressive bits are thrown on it.
ButtfuckerTim@reddit
Honestly, $175k is an okay deal for what you’re getting in current year.
triplevanos@reddit
God I just need to make more money
Odd-Refrigerator-425@reddit
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
It shouldn't be this hard to find a cute, single dentist with low standards
TwoTypical4412@reddit
still gets gapped by a 992.2 911 gts…
RefrigeratorTime6271@reddit
C8 living in your head rent free
Lower_Kick268@reddit
What's the quarter mile on one of those?
BloodDK22@reddit
Insane. For a Chevy. Just no, no and more no. Are they kidding? I bet some poor blokes will overpay to get one only to realize like with the first C8 that they are produced en masse like McDonalds burgers. All Vettes are rare, according to Vette dudes. Except, the whole world knows they arent. Except for that 1992 C4 at the crusie night with blue leather. Right. :)
TunakTun633@reddit
Fine. Go to the Lambo dealer for your 1000+ HP mid-engine sports car fix. Your exclusivity will cost you $425,000.
BloodDK22@reddit
And watch how that exclusivity oozes at car shows and cruises. Brand rec has a ton of validity in this day and age. All these super cars have 5,000 horsepower, unlimited grip, torque, etc. and do the Nurburgring in 3 seconds. No one cares.
BTW - I am jealous you have a 635 Csi. Now THATS a car I can get excited about. :)
TunakTun633@reddit
Thanks! I love it.
Your can probably buy two for what that BRZ is worth if you're interested in exclusivity... 😉
BloodDK22@reddit
Huh. Ironic that the BRZ and GR86 are actually pretty rare in the wild. But, we’ve reached the insult stage of this thread so best of luck out there. Nothing better than chest pumping Reddit dudes. LOL.
bacon205@reddit
"There was only 7,238 built in this year with this specific combination of automatic transmission, these chrome rims, cloth seats, that also came with these valve stem caps!" - some dude in cargo shorts and white New Balances.
BloodDK22@reddit
Yep - lie clockwork. "Rare" and Vette are just not words that mix. Facts.
Titan0917@reddit
Why do you give a damn about the rarity or exclusivity of a car you will never own?
The Corvette has been an incredible and accessible sports car for decades now and that’s not a bad thing.
ItsMe-Luke@reddit
The BRZ is already like the poor man's 911 right? I mean if Chevy made a cheap 911 GT3, GT2 whatever. Wouldn't that be a good thing? More cars for cheap that cater to car enthusiasts.
But yeah I agree they're chasing Lambos and McLarens. Maybe even take Porsche's place since they're the ones wanting to be exclusive like Ferraris now.
ThunderGod_Cid13@reddit
Troll?
BloodDK22@reddit
Are you? Something bothering you? lets talk and work it out.
ThunderGod_Cid13@reddit
Regular corvettes are regular corvettes but this ain't that son.
BloodDK22@reddit
OK. Its still a $175,000 Chevy. That buys you a gently used Huracan or a ton of other non-Chevys. But, whatever.
Glaesilegur@reddit
The NSX is just a Honda, the Supra is just a Toyota, the Viper is just a Dodge, the R8 is just an Audi. Want me to keep going?
BloodDK22@reddit
And in the case of the R8 and NSX - they are automotive legends. Highly desirable. Just check values of those cars and compare them to what C8's will be given away for. Look, whatever people wan to do with their cash is fine by me. But the values of these will sink as fast as a plastic raft with a hole in it.
Glaesilegur@reddit
That might be true, my point is that your "it's just a Chevy" stance is silly.
BloodDK22@reddit
OK, its not a Chevy then.
Glaesilegur@reddit
Goddamn you're difficult.
Lionkingjom@reddit
They're probably just 14 and parroting what they've heard on cartok. American bad, Japanese best and European expensive. Ford could drop a an N/A 4 cylinder mustang that gets 40mpg and makes 500hp, with almost no emissions in brown with a manual and the internet would still bitch.
ThunderGod_Cid13@reddit
You should drive a z-series Vette hard and give it a shot. You're missing out.
Lionkingjom@reddit
Literally no one who likes cars at all can read about this car, and this price and have this opinion.
BloodDK22@reddit
Yes, they can and they do. Vettes were better when they were the working-mans performance car. They decided to try and be Lambos or McLarens. Except, no one is falling for it. They are about as exclusive as a Honda Accord. They arent fooling anyone. They should have stayed lower cost, front engine V8's with manual transmissions and not bothered with trying to be high end. Its silly and isnt working.
randeus@reddit
Nobody is falling for it? The C8 at the top of best selling sports car in America.
Lionkingjom@reddit
The base model Corvette is still a working man's supercar the base 1LT C8 is cheaper after accounting for inflation than a base C4. The price of the 95 ZR1, to today's aren't that far off after inflation, especially when you account for the extra 700hp, safety, and other improvements. Corvette has always nipped at the heels of Ferrari and Lamborghini at a fraction of the cost, by putting every dollar into performance with volume to make back the costs. This Corvette is doing what every other Corvette has done, cars are just more expensive now.
aroc91@reddit
Falling for what? Fooling people into doing/thinking what?
The price range for the C8 is vast. You can get a relatively low mileage 2LT for under 75k. In the year 2025. Do some inflation calculations and compare to the previous gens and get back to us.
RamenWrestler@reddit
Classic brz owner
BloodDK22@reddit
And there it is. Reddit clockwork. :)
MigratingSwallow@reddit (OP)
I'm perfectly fine with that price point with what you're getting.
But agree and never understood why people with Vettes are afraid to put miles on them. If I had a ZR1, I'd be driving the living shit out of it. If it was a limited edition or they only made like a couple thousand total, then alright, I get it, but they're gonna pump them out to anyone that can afford em.
Energy4Days@reddit
Porsche is about to get a ride awakening.
They either price their cars competitively and stop the games or lose customers
DanielG165@reddit
I was always thinking it’d start at the price of a well-specced Z06/Z07. A $200K starting price just wouldn’t have allowed the ZR1 to maintain the, “bargain for performance compared to other cars”, that the Corvette has. $174K is expensive yeah, but you’re also not going to find another performance car that will offer you 1,064 horsepower, no hybrid assistance, a 2.3 0-60 time, a quarter mile in the 9s, and a 233mph top speed… For $170K. The next comparable car will run you $300K and above.
Plus, this would also leave GM room to release an ultra exotic Zora model, or version down the road. Whether it’ll be its own model, or perhaps a package for the ZR1 (Tadge stating how the ZR1 will be the most expensive model), remains to be seen. Still, for $174K, there’s nothing else that comes close to this car at MSRP.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
300k? There isn't a car on the market with comparable performance under a million brand right now.
DanielG165@reddit
I was thinking of the likes of SF90-XX, and Lamborghini Revuelto, both of which are in the $500,000-$600,000K range. Even GM has a chart up on their site comparing the ZR1’s performance per dollar versus those two, and a couple others. But indeed, there isn’t anything out there under a million dollars that has the same level of performance and features/tech the ZR1 gives you for $174K to start.
fattymcfattzz@reddit
Lmao
Educational_Age_1333@reddit
This is incredible. I knew $150 was a long shot but I thought it would be $199.
Now queue incessant dealer mark up comments and posts. Excited to see the performance vehicles it beats performance and price wise.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Probably won't be any markup honestly, the desirability is huge, but it's gonna have the same thing happen the ZO6 did. Every idiot who needs it now will pay markup, then everyone who can wait an extra 4-9 months will buy them
MigratingSwallow@reddit (OP)
Obviously there will be dealer markups, but everything is marked up to hell right now. There was a point where the RAV4 hybrid was marked up. Just takes some time to steady, but if you want to be one of the first ones with the shiny new toy, it's gonna cost a bit.
That said, I give it a solid 4-6 weeks before some new owner steps on it and crashes it by not being able to control their lead foot on a winding road.
Navetoor@reddit
Corvette team is elite
GadFlyBy@reddit
I can afford one, but I don’t cotton to dealer ADM shenanigans.
Extroverted_Recluse@reddit
That's.... a really good price
mangusta123@reddit
The corvette and national parks are really the 2 reasons I would rather live in the us instead of europe
youra6@reddit
RIP for folks who paid 200K+ for a Z06 just under a year ago.
AgentScreech@reddit
My fully speced Z06/Z07 was $175k+ tax
Only +25k more for 400 more hp.
I'm still happy with mine for sure.
youra6@reddit
Only thing that matters. And also think those getting a ZR1 near MSRP have been waiting on wait lists even before the Z06 was even announced. The likelihood of you paying less than 275K for one is small.
Also it's a ZR1, the fastest ICE Vette Chevy will ever make. So it's value isn't going anywhere for a long time.
WitnessSorry5812@reddit
In Australia there are people who paid more than that and are on a ~5year wait list for a base spec C8 lmao. (And some that got them early flipped them for a cool 100k profit.)
youra6@reddit
Aren't Corvettes like impossible to find in Australia though? Mustangs are hella common.
WitnessSorry5812@reddit
They're allocating low numbers so the wait lists are insane, but they are factory RHD not a local conversion like the RAMs etc.r
Gd3spoon@reddit
I can’t stand its tail lights
Chaff5@reddit
So $250k at dealerships.
Mike15321@reddit
Pretty much what I expected. 200k for a fully, or reasonably close to fully, specced car was my assumption. Pretty remarkable given the specs and what it will compete with.
dang_it_bobby93@reddit
Honestly better than I thought it would be.
Thieveslanding@reddit
For reference, a C7 ZR1 just sold for $270k on BaT…
no_cigar_tx@reddit
You can’t really compare the two. Those have been dubbed “collectibles” by the cancer that is resellers and is basically a hyper niche market for no other reason. Maybe this gets those guys to dump their cars but resellers corner that market worse than flies on shit.
dam_sharks_mother@reddit
A lot of performance for the price.
But in 2025 buyers in this $150k+ segment don't buy sports cars for their performance numbers, they buy sports cars for driving pleasure, and the total experience. Sports cars today are so far beyond the capabilities of the average driver, the performance delta between the Z06 and ZR1 are going to be entirely lost on the consumer, they won't see the value in it.
macgirthy@reddit
In cali after tax the car is already at 192k.
The carbon wheels and brakes and most likely cup2r tires will be a 30k package minimum.
I'm curious how much the base model will weigh with the heaviest brakes and regular wheels, 4000lbs?
aviciiavbdeadpunk@reddit
personally the zr1 should be at ONLY CADILLAC dealerships..... i dont think zr1 owners want to be near trax owners
Cookie-Brown@reddit
Ever common American W
johnknockout@reddit
This is truly in the spirit of the C6 Z06 that made Ferarri eat its lunch.
skatellites@reddit
Can't wait to drive this!^online
Notonfoodstamps@reddit
That’s a lot of fucking bang for buck
cookingboy@reddit
Holy cow that’s about the same as 992.2 911 GTS before options.
In fact I optioned out a new Carrera S and it came out about this much.
What amazing value this is. Yes I know the 911 is a Porsche and I’m a bit Porsche fanboy myself but the value of this ZR1 is unprecedented in automotive history, at least amongst performance cars.
Let’s see if the ADM dies out as quickly as it did for the Z06.
Whiteyak5@reddit
I hope they sell 1 billion of them. So I can maybe snag a Zo6 used.
Resident_Rise5915@reddit
Gimme now
Leanador@reddit
Oh thank god. If it cost over $180K I wouldn’t stand a chance
turboash78@reddit
Seems reasonable lol
T0lly@reddit
Redonkulous