China says US ‘playing with fire’ by giving Taiwan more military aid
Posted by anarchyart2021@reddit | EndlessWar | View on Reddit | 71 comments
Posted by anarchyart2021@reddit | EndlessWar | View on Reddit | 71 comments
Charlirnie@reddit
This is the US strategy.... arm...instigate conflict....China knows this....US is the orchestrater of war and terror.
DangoBlitzkrieg@reddit
The US is instigating war between Taiwan and China? Is this reverse wacko world? I think the person who invades Taiwan is instigating war with Taiwan
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
China should arm the fuck of out Cuba.
Wait. I forget China is so responsible on the global stage, if only the US would follow suit
supernarrowai@reddit
China is going to teach the U.S. some lessons that it should have learned decades ago! it's time for the American bully to go down.
Un0rigi0na1@reddit
Boohoo
MichealRyder@reddit
Elaborate
Un0rigi0na1@reddit
The CPC does not own Taiwan. Taiwan turns to the west for protection (as most countries under threat do), which they are receiving. China continues to threaten Taiwan with invasion and constant exercises surrounding the island. China is laying claim to numerous islands in the south and east China seas and threatening the sovereignty of multiple nations in South East Asia with their ships. Also areas to the North that are disputed with Russia.
China has a responsibility in this. Excusing the responsibility of these nations is a bit absurd.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
Firstly, Taiwan is internationally recognized as China. Taiwan was where the losers of the Chinese revolution fled, they then genocided the locals and claimed the entire China (plus parts of mongolia etc). They also claim those same islands (because they have always historically been apart of China.
Secondly, more nations in East Asia have been invaded by the US, despite the US being on the otherside of the planet to Asia than to China this century. They operate more military bases on Chinese shores than China does the world over.
There is an issue in Asia with imperialism and surprise surprise, it's not China
MichealRyder@reddit
If I’m not mistaken, China has literally ONE overseas military base, and I don’t believe it’s anywhere near Taiwan.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
It's in Djibouti and every man and his dog has a military base there.
China is simply not a militarily agressive nation, they have existed for 10,000 years and have always been inward looking.
A prime example is when they reached Africa, they didn't slavetrade like the Europeans, they simply traded. The same principles remain today.
FridayNightEcstasy@reddit
"China is not an aggressive nation"
That's why they keep harassing the navy of other countries and spray them with water cannons, shine lasers at them, ram their boats, and board their navy ships and steal everything
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
Steal everything lol.
China defends ita nautical boundaries (surrounded by US military bases and weapons) via lasers and non violent means? Leading to 0 deaths.
The US, UK, France, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc etc invade and bomb brown children every Tuesday.
Yeah, it's probably China that's agressive.
FridayNightEcstasy@reddit
China's nautical boundaries are fictional and are based off of old maps that have 0 relevance to today. The Chinese navy continues to harass their neighbors and threaten them, then cry about them going to the US for security. South Korea, Vietnam, Taiwan, Japan, and the Philippines have all saught US protection because of Chinas aggression and harassment. So yes, China is the aggressor in this situation
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
No lol. All the counties you've mentioned (minus Taiwan which is internationally recognized as China anyway) have been invaded by the US lol.
The US operates more military bases in the region than than China does the entire world over. There US is blatantly the agressor in the region.
China claims islands that are hostorically theirs lol. That's why Taiwan claims the very same islands. Europe colonising and occupying those islands don't remove those historic claims
FridayNightEcstasy@reddit
China can claim all they want, international boundaries are clear and China has continued to harassing countries within their own boarders. The US has military bases near China at the request of those countries. Not to mention that each of the countries I listed show that their citizens have overwhelming support of the US military presence. Maybe if China tried a more diplomatic approach instead of ramming their ships into other countries navy ships, there wouldn't be a problem
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
"Overwhelming support for US military bases" lmao
My man swallows US propaganda for breakfast and the regurgitates it like it's fact.
https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/14618216
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/08/23/us-media-ignored-major-anti-us-military-protest-in-south-korea/
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202408/1317239.shtml
https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/15230954
You're in the wrong sub. Goodbye
MichealRyder@reddit
Also why does Djibouti have so many bases like that? Is it because it’s in an important spot? I guess I answered my own question lol
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
Right at the entrance of a major shipping channel + invited investment and is fairly neutral.
Needed a military presence to remain independent
MichealRyder@reddit
Epic
MichealRyder@reddit
Epic.
On a side note, as an Alternate history enjoyer, EVEN if some of the main places I frequent for that have a bit of a Western Liberal bias, which I guess is to be expected when I’m looking at the English speaking bits, there is an occasional golden scenario that’s from a socialist perspective, I do wonder how history would have to change to have a modern, imperialist China, somewhat taking the US’s place in the imperial core while America itself goes becomes socialist? At least Russia is a little easier to imagine kinda.
I’m simply not as knowledgeable on the overall history of China and the surrounding areas as I would like to be.
Eclipsed830@reddit
Taiwan isn't "internationally recognized" as China... most countries leave Taiwan's status as unresolved. They don't have diplomatic relations with Taiwan, nor consider it part of China.
Furthermore, it is irrelevant. As someone typing from Taiwan, we have our own agency here to determine the path our country goes. We are not and have never been part of the PRC, and it is our wish for that to remain.
To be clear here, China is the only party threatening to invade another country. Neither Taiwan nor the United States is threatening to invade China.
MichealRyder@reddit
China is not threatening Taiwan, the US is escalating tensions and has several bases near China.
Taiwan is trying to have agency, but the sad reality is the US is sinking it’s claws deeper where they don’t belong. The US should not being arming them like they are, but America desires everything…….
I firmly believe China would be fine with an independent Taiwan so long as they stay neutral, but to America, neutrality is a myth.
They literally want to repeat their Ukraine strategy, but with Taiwan.
Ukraine is losing
Eclipsed830@reddit
Nonsense.
Blaming USA is taking the easy way out. It is the PRC threatening to invade our country. It is the PRC encircling our country with their Navy in a "show of force". It is the PRC that threatens to jail and even sentence to death people in China that advocate for what I am advocating on Reddit.
Taiwan is not and has never been part of the PRC. This is a simple fact and the reality for the 23.5 million people that call Taiwan home.
China is the only one that does not accept the reality.
MichealRyder@reddit
Zero proof of anything you said, Mossad
Eclipsed830@reddit
What do you need proof of?
Are you saying China doesn't practice invasion drills and "mock blockades" against us?
Even CPC State Media talks about it: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202410/1321155.shtml
MichealRyder@reddit
Fair enough. Ultimately, the US is raising tensions in the whole region, China is preparing for the worst, but hoping for the best.
Eclipsed830@reddit
Nonsense.
China is threatening to invade Taiwan
China is ramming boats from the Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia. Blasting innocent fishermen with water cannons.
China building rocks into military bases in the SCS.
China is propping up North Korea.
China is threatening Japan and even launched missiles inoto Japan's exclusive economic zone.
China literally throwing rocks and sticks at India.
Etc
But this is all the fault of Americans? At what point do you look and go, hmm... This isn't right either?
MichealRyder@reddit
Everything you said is either a gross simplification or an outright lie
Eclipsed830@reddit
Ah, you're right.
China is perfect. The second largest military in the world is not a threat towards anyone.
What is wrong with you people. Blinded by your hate for America, you seem to believe no one else can do wrong.
MichealRyder@reddit
China is NOT perfect, but it is defending its interests. That’s why it’s good that it has the second largest military in the world, defending a nation that simply wishes to continue its development.
America bullies everyone else, and Taiwan is being dragged along with it.
Eclipsed830@reddit
Unbelievable.
So only China has the right to defend it's interests?
What about the rest of us? Should we all build nuclear weapons like China, too?
MichealRyder@reddit
China’s interests are being threatened by America. America sees Taiwan as nothing but a pawn in that game.
America simply can’t fathom a world where they aren’t number one, and that’s terrifying.
I don’t like nuclear proliferation, but if it’s the only way to defend against America and the West, so be it.
Eclipsed830@reddit
Let's not talk about America. I don't live there and neither do you.
Taiwan's interests are being threatened by China. China can't fathom the reality that Taiwan is not, has never been, and will never want to be part of the PRC.
Many countries in our region face threats from China, not the USA. Nuclear proliferation in Asia wouldn't be to defend from America, but to defend from China... You understand this, right?
MichealRyder@reddit
America manipulated and infiltrated many of China’s neighbors over the decades. The Philippines is a corrupt mess for example.
America wants it all. It doesn’t matter what Taiwan wants, because America would never allow it to grow closer to China.
To paraphrase the ghoul Anthony Blinken: If you’re not at the table, you’re on the menu.
The table is run by America to be clear, and the menu are countries who refused to bow to their will. Such as Libya, who gave up its nuclear program, and later was ruined by the West. A similar situation is happening to Syria now.
And then of course there’s the genocide of Gaza.
I do live in America by the way, so I’ve seen first hand my nation’s filth.
Eclipsed830@reddit
Take a step back and listen to yourself.
Taiwan wants to remain completely independent and separate from the PRC. We want our personal freedoms and democracy to be protected. We have our own way of life, identity, and agency.
China is the only one a threat to what we want. China is the only one saying what we want is unacceptable.
Stop blaming the United States for everything. I know, Americans think of themselves as the center of the universe... but you guys aren't. Other countries, outside of the United States, maintain their own agency.
The world does not revolve around just you, or China. We all have the basic human right to determine our own outcome.
MichealRyder@reddit
Countries should have their own agency. America is doing everything it can to prevent that, unfortunately.
China wants multi-polarity. America doesn’t.
America isn’t the center of the world, but they certainly try to ruin anyone who points that out. Palestine is a massive example of that, Gaza is almost gone…….
Another example, is Chile. Look up the Pinochet dictatorship. America installed him rather than allow Chile to attempt to try socialism.
I’m sorry, but as long as America is present, sticking it’s nose where it doesn’t belong, Taiwan really doesn’t have the agency it should.
I guess I don’t know what else I expected from anti-communists who Genocided the natives of the island.
Eclipsed830@reddit
Don't be sorry for your own ignorance.
You are the one that supports nuclear proliferation... that is the world in which you want to raise a child. It makes me sad. Most of us just want peace, but, for us here in Asia, it is China that prevents that.
I think you are confusing Taiwan for a different country or do not understand the history.
MichealRyder@reddit
This is what it looks like when a nation asserts its agency: https://www.reddit.com/r/IbrahimTraore/s/8z4N9eZb1L
If Taiwan tried that, the US would definitely retaliate in some kind of manner.
Eclipsed830@reddit
I don't live in Africa... I am talking about Taiwan.
Try what? We are already independent, and the United States respects that... at least they respect it much more than the PRC does.
MichealRyder@reddit
The US claims to respect that, but it’s claimed that a lot about other nations it proceeded to ruin, using some bullshit excuse.
Eclipsed830@reddit
You are the only one coming up with excuses to justify nuclear proliferation and China's military threat against other Asian countries.
MichealRyder@reddit
When was the last time China invaded a nation?
Eclipsed830@reddit
2020: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_border_dispute
MichealRyder@reddit
Fair enough.
Let’s compare to the last time America directly invaded a country
Eclipsed830@reddit
Why? Once again, the world does not just involve America. It isn't always about you.
MichealRyder@reddit
America sure as hell seems to think it does……and they’ll flex their military to show it.
They still think they’re the world police.
MichealRyder@reddit
The previous inhabitants of Taiwan were genocided when the anti-communists fled like cowards to the island.
As for the modern day, I GUARANTEE you that the moment America leaves, at least militarily, China will too. Any “aggressive” move China makes is solely in response to America’s aggression.
Always has been, and will continue to be if America doesn’t leave.
It’s time for the Yanks to go home, and let China and Taiwan figure out these issues. China would probably treat Taiwan like any other nation at that point, frankly.
Fairly
Eclipsed830@reddit
Sure. You said natives... the people the KMT genocided were not the Indigenous people, but the Japanese-speaking Han people. The Indigenous people were genocided by the Japanese.
The moment the United States leaves Asia is the moment that Taiwan is invaded by the PRC.
We already figured it out. We are a sovereign and independent country, not part of the PRC.
If you believe China would treat Taiwan as any other nation simply because America leaves East Asia, you are insane and really just out of touch with the situation. Once again, stop taking such a US-centric view. This isn't always about America. China will claim Taiwan regardless of the US position, regardless of the semiconductors, regardless of who is ruling Taiwan... none of that changes China's position with respect to Taiwan. They view their "claim" to Taiwan as historical.
MichealRyder@reddit
We shall see
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
Our island*
PerspectiveFast8769@reddit
YOU JUST SAID "China is not threatening Taiwan..." Dude stop there. You have little knowledge here. China has threatened to "take the island by force if necessary" nearly 100 times. Many times this year alone.
MichealRyder@reddit
My mistake. Let me rephrase that: China is only doing this stuff because America refuses to keep their ass out of a situation it doesn’t belong in.
PerspectiveFast8769@reddit
China wants what it calls "reunification". The Taiwanese do not want this. The US is there for yes economic reasons - and I do not like their reasoning. But Taiwan is not China, never was. Just saying
MichealRyder@reddit
If the US uses it as full on staging ground for further aggressive action, China might intervene to protect their own interests. Again, the US is there for imperialist reasons, same reason it’s anywhere else. They want to remain the sole superpower at all costs, and Taiwan is getting dragged for the ride.
PerspectiveFast8769@reddit
yes true the US is there for reasons, but make no mistake - The Taiwanese want us there.
MichealRyder@reddit
I guess we’ll see what happens, but it’s not looking good for the US
Salazarsims@reddit
Are you seriously trying to tell us that the Republic of China (which is the official name of Taiwan and claims more of China than the People’s Republic of China isn’t part of China?
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
Taiwan is internationally recognized as China lol.
11 nations recognise Taiwan as independent, most of them are microstates.
Eclipsed830@reddit
Wrong.
Most countries do not recognize or consider Taiwan to be part of China.
They leave Taiwan's status as "unresolved", or "undetermined".
And it doesn't matter. The world could recognize the earth as flat... it doesn't change the reality.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-recognize-taiwan
Wrong
Eclipsed830@reddit
Work on your reading compression.
None of those links state Taiwan is recognized as part of China.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
They literally all do lol.
For Taiwan to not be apart of China, it must be recognized as an independent country. It clearly is not.
Probably best you stick to insults instead of actual conversations eh? You don't seem to comprehend much.
"Conpression" lol. Can't even insult me properly.
Eclipsed830@reddit
No, it doesn't.
Most countries leave Taiwan's status as unresolved. They do not have diplomatic relations with Taiwan, nor recognize it as part of China.
To recognize Taiwan as part of China would be taking a specific position that most countries do not take.
And even so, irrelevant.
Doesn't change the reality.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
You are living in a fantasy world my man. Your bias and hope is clouding your critical thinking.
For the sake of argument though, why dont you source your inaccurate claims?
Eclipsed830@reddit
Source what claim?
You are the one saying almost all countries recognize Taiwan as part of China. You are making the claim.
Most countries do not take that position. I can't source a position that doesn't exist. Can you provide an example of a country saying they recognize Taiwan as part of the PRC? Can you show a country that has a Consulate in Taipei that is subordinate to the Embassy in Beijing? Can you show a country that goes through their Beijing Embassy when dealing with Taiwan?
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
And i have sourced it lol. Even the US, one of Taiwans most vocal backers officially recognizes the one China policy.
You are claiming most countries recognise them as undecided. Provide a source instead of just your opinion.
PerspectiveFast8769@reddit
Taiwan has never been part of China. period. The people who flied to Taiwan, claimed that they were the Real China. This is the only similarity, The overwhelming majority of Taiwanese people DO NOT want to be part of China.
The whole issue of who recognizes what Country is irreverent to the Facts. Nations will be swayed to do one thing or another for reasons - usually money or favorable trade relations in this case.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_under_Qing_rule#:~:text=The%20Qing%20dynasty%20ruled%20over,formally%20annexed%20in%20April%201684.
PerspectiveFast8769@reddit
You didn't read what I wrote ... but that's fine.
KJongsDongUnYourFace@reddit
I clearly did. You just don't like being wrong
Maleficent-Drop1476@reddit
Claiming anyone but the US has agency in this sub? That’s a paddlin’.