How many of you despise IoT?

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shreyiot@reddit

Individuals have different perspectives about IoT. Due to privacy and security concerns, some people might not like it, whilst others would appreciate its convenience and connectivity advantages. Personal viewpoints and use cases are key.

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Geminii27@reddit

It's so there's a channel for manufacturers to remotely shut down or brick things people bought, so they have to buy a new one. It's also a channel for manufacturers to steal usage data and use that to market shit at people.

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Rent_A_Cloud@reddit

This is solved by making legislation, like the EU Cyber Resilience Act. Liability lies with the manufacturer when it comes to security, in combination with already existing privacy laws and upcoming laws against planned obsolescence things should balance out. The tek exists so it will be used, the only solution is regulation by government entities. It's like saying you won't have internet because of the danger to privacy, it's just not feasible to exclude something that slowly becomes standard in society. Believe me I tried with smartphones and held out till 2020, then I went to a small underground punk concert and had to pay with an app..

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Geminii27@reddit

> I went to a small underground punk concert and had to pay with an app.. Requiring attendees have a mass-produced phone and use a mass-produced app is the most UN-punk thing ever.

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wondering-soul@reddit

My interest in it starts and ends at lightbulbs.

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TrainsDontHunt@reddit

And outdoor cameras: I live on a main road, on a corner, so there's occasional accidents and weirdos.

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Rent_A_Cloud@reddit

That's the only thing i have at the moment that uses it, 3 cameras because my house is in the middle of nowhere. I am considering buying a few vacuuming robots from the same brand tho. And maybe some lights.. if only I could have a little duster drone.

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TrainsDontHunt@reddit

I just found out my routers are playing ping-pong with my lawn watering wifi controller. I have 2 subnets (2 routers of my own that plug into the cable router, giving me two sets of IPs 192.168.1.0 and 192.168.2.0 for instance). So... the controller was asking for an IP (via DHCP) and both routers responded with an ARP message (this is done ONCE for each device that turns on, to say they exist). Since the controller gets 2 responses, it gets confused and asks again. The routers see the request as a dup an issue a deny, then it asks again and they issue an address, then deny, then allow, then deny, then allow. My arp log was 33Gb of one-liners when I checked the next morning. I only looked at it because half my diskspace was missing and it was from one file. The ARP flood was causing 25,000 arp messages PER SECOND.

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MaelstromFL@reddit

Welp, as a network security consultant, I whole heartedly agree! But, as a husband of a disabled person, it is a Fucking godsend! My wife can shut off lights and fans, can lock doors, set security system all from voice. She even turns the TV on and off. That said, it is on a minimal created Amazon account with no credit card. All devices are on a segmented VLAN and wifi with no access to the home network. Completely firewalled.

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jared555@reddit

The big problem is home appliances and hardwired stuff doesn't really work with the "year of support and upgrades" model of other tech.

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gehzumteufel@reddit

Nothing actually does, but this is the price of stuff being so fucking cheap. When it's so cheap, they only can afford to budget in the shortest people will tolerate, this is what happens.

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jared555@reddit

End of sale + expected mtbf would be a reasonable starting point. Or transitioning to a modular compute section that is actually maintained as a standard for larger devices. Open a little door on the product, pull out old module and insert new one. Would make smart TV's upgradable, for example, and give the manufacturer a recurring income stream from those devices. Of course a light switch has an expected lifespan of decades and the only real way to make them modular would be a socket the entire switch latched into.

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pdp10@reddit

> Would make smart TV's upgradable Samsung made models like that from ten years ago until perhaps six years ago. I think the price they intended to charge for the upgrade electronics was about the same amount of money their competition charges for entire televisions now.

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gehzumteufel@reddit

I get it, it’s possible, but most IOT is added the most cheaply way possible. Because people won’t pay double for the same thing smart vs non-smart. Which is the realistic price difference to support it longer.

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PowerShellGenius@reddit

> double for the same thing smart vs non-smart. Which is the realistic price difference to support it longer. Not if it's done intelligently, with the same smart components and same smart component firmware for a large number of devices. HP did this for a while with the JetDirect cards I think, before they "advanced" to integrating networking directly into their unique-to-every-model firmwares.

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EspurrStare@reddit

I don't think people disagree in that it is useful. The complaints are that they are poorly integrated and poorly supported. They are not a solid product based on fundamentals, like most internet protocols, but whatever the manufacturer wanted to do. Usually with their own app to make it more frustrating. Plus most ISP still don't provision IoT WiFi networks by default. So for most people they are just toys for nerds.

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PowerShellGenius@reddit

> Plus most ISP still don't provision IoT WiFi networks by default. You mean router manufacturers? You don't need to be a nerd to set up a router, they even have phone apps that do it for you. All you need is enough math skills to realize that an extra $5 - $20/month depending on the provider, added up over the time before it becomes obsolete, exceeds the $80 to buy one.

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EspurrStare@reddit

There are many things that are very easy, specially when you know them, but the lack of it is a significant barrier of entry globally. Just like I did the electrical installation on the lower floor of a house I rented a few years ago, which had been a pigsty some 50-60 years ago. Was it difficult to do? Not really. But I was the first to do it for a reason .

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krisse_@reddit

It helps my ADHD brain a lot when washer sends a notification to my phone when cycle is complete. No more days old wet laundry. All appliances deemed helpful are on the IOT vlan behind the firewall. Except dishwasher. Why the hell would I need my dishwasher connected to the internet?

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jdsmn21@reddit

> It helps my ADHD brain a lot when washer sends a notification to my phone when cycle is complete. No more days old wet laundry. You could achieve the same by setting an alarm on your phone. *"Hey Siri - remind me to switch the laundry in one hour"*

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krisse_@reddit

But that means you have to remember to set the alarm, and have your phone in hand to do that. If the phone is not in my hand, by the time I find it, I've forgotten already!

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midnightnapper@reddit

literally just do it two or three times so it becomes routine. not rocket science.

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flakoCR@reddit

Kind sir, what firewall do you recommend for a home network?

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ronaldbeal@reddit

If you browse r/homelab, seems most of them are running either PFsense, opensense, or ubiquity stuff.

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TangledMyWood@reddit

I recently switched from pfsense to opnsense. I have no hate for pfsense but I have been pretty happy with opnsense. I would say they are pretty interchangeable but opensense for sure has more plugins.

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ThatOnePerson@reddit

I wouldn't mind switching to opnsense after the whole wireguard debacle with pfsense, but I couldn't get the the wpa supplicant method of bypass my shitty AT&T modem working on opnsense last I tried.

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Large___Marge@reddit

You just described my situation to a T. If you ever figure out the bypass let me know. FYI it doesn't work on pfsense 23.01/2.7.0 either.

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