What are the strongest regional food rivalries or preferences in how a dish is prepared in the United States?
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I personally think it's amusing how seriously Miami and Tampa take their mildly different spins on the Cuban sandwich!
DragonCornflake@reddit
Chili
JWC123452099@reddit
Buffalo wings.Ā
You can get hot wings anywhere but its not even close to the same.Ā
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
Pizza. NY vs. Chicago vs Detroit vs. Buffalo. Altoona vs. Everyone.
JWC123452099@reddit
As a NYer I refuse to acknowledge Chicago is even the same thing as pizza. Detroit and Buffalo pizza are just substandard regional variations.Ā
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
I'd sooner have legit NY pizza than a lot of the others, but sometimes I do want crunchy corners.
CrimsonRaven712@reddit
What differentiates Buffalo pizza?
Tasty_Plantain5948@reddit
Cup and char pepperoni also.
JWC123452099@reddit
Plus Buffalo pizza is more commonly served with wings.Ā
Plastic_Primary_4279@reddit
Thicker than NY, thinner than Detroit. The sauce is slightly sweet, but nothing compared to the ketchup they use down south or at chains. Charred cup pepperoni is big. We also like to cut our pizzas in squares instead of slices for some reason.
CrimsonRaven712@reddit
I grew up in WNY, I had no clue our pizza was kinda unique. I guess that explains why I donāt see the charred cup pepperoni now that Iāve moved. That was the best part of the pizza.
Plastic_Primary_4279@reddit
Little cups filled with greaseā¦ itās amazing.
Fuginshet@reddit
Hand tossed crust, thick layer of cheese, hand cut cup pepperoni is the important part, and it's not uncommon to sprinkle some dried herbs on top.
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
Thinner crust than Detroit, sweeter sauce than NYC. It's good, but I'm partial to Detroit and New York.
Alarming_Flow7066@reddit
New Haven wins and itās not even close.
OverCommunity3994@reddit
Ohio Valley Pizza deserves a mention
middleageslut@reddit
Chicago style isnāt even pizza. Look, I know that Hot Dish is popular in the Midwest because of Lutherans or something, but putting a crust in the pan before building a lasagna doesnāt make it a pizza.
And that is being generous.
hermywormy@reddit
That's just deep dish though, we have our own thin crust as well. But it HAS to be cut in squares, no exceptions.
mm1029@reddit
Define pizza then
middleageslut@reddit
Itās a flat bread dough, baked with various toppings. Similar to a tostada. OIt is also not baked inside a pan or dish, like enchiladas.
You think this is a āgotchaā but you are really just making it worse for yourself.
mm1029@reddit
Pizza is not similar to a tostada. What are you talking about? Pizza is baked in a pan and I see no thickness limitation in your definition.
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
It's delicious, but it isn't š
middleageslut@reddit
I will agree with this.
Inside-Bid-1889@reddit
I recently learned about Altoona pizza during the news of Luigi this past week. Words cannot describe how awful that looks.
khyamsartist@reddit
That looks like something my mom made for lunch in the toaster c. 1972
Annual_Strategy_6206@reddit
With ketchup instead of pizza sauce
khyamsartist@reddit
Nah she used chili sauce
Easy-Concentrate2636@reddit
She went the extra inch for you.
JJSF2021@reddit
I just looked it up, and I had an immediate R. Lee Ermey reactionā¦
āHoly Jesusā¦ what is that? What the f*ck is that? WHAT IS THAT PRIVATE PYLE!!!?????
Easy-Concentrate2636@reddit
It reminds me of the āpizzaā I used to make for fun when I was eight.
Much-Tea-3049@reddit
a jelly donut, sir.
Spicethrower@reddit
An Altoona Pizza? FIFY
Zhong_Ping@reddit
For those who wanna know what Altoona is without having to google it:
Pizza cut into burgur sized squares
Pizza dough, Tomato sauce A single slice of full cross section green bell pepper A fucking delli meat style slice of salomi Topped with with a single slice of kraft american cheese...
It just keeps devolvint into insanity. I'm supprised the tomato sauce isnt mixed with Miracle Whip!
Richs_KettleCorn@reddit
Good God, even all the comments talking about how disgusting it looks didn't prepare me for how truly disgusting it looks.
Working_Horse_3077@reddit
Jesus Christ. That's not pizza
commandrix@reddit
No kidding. I mean, I like American cheese, but it's more suitable for sandwiches than for pizza.
HurtsCauseItMatters@reddit
On the bright side ... even regionally its not well known in the area. My husband grew up about 30 mins from Altoona and had literally never heard of this garbage. And I went to a few pizza places up there when we were visiting that were tremendous. The worst part of the altoona pizza travesty is the reputation it sets for everyone else in the area lol
thegoatisoldngnarly@reddit
Just googled it. Wtf is that. Someone should burn down the Altoona Hotel for inventing it.
Bright_Ices@reddit
As horrendous as it looks (and sounds), some people apparently like it:
https://www.thetakeout.com/altoona-style-pizza-review-american-cheese-salami-taste-1850898599/
vonsnootingham@reddit
I'm so glad this article about Altoona pizza took the time to call out and denounce Ohio Valley pizza. Fuck you, DiCarlos.
Bright_Ices@reddit
I havenāt had that style, but I appreciated the shade toward the mostly-crust, partly honey Colorado nonsense.Ā
appleparkfive@reddit
I had to look. I thought you might be exaggerating or something. But... Yeah, that's probably the worst pizza style I've ever seen. I'm sure some people like it, but I don't think I'll be trying that one anytime soon
It looks like when you're very poor, have days until a paycheck, and you just start throwing things together in the kitchen
Kool_McKool@reddit
I'm a born and bred Chicago man, and even I wouldn't eat that. What the hell is that thing?
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
It's worse than school lunch, so gross.
Motochapstick@reddit
st louis style for the win!!!
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
Unleavened? Reminds me of a thin crust Pizza Hut used to sell back in the day. Dad always said it made him think of Matzos.
Motochapstick@reddit
the provel cheese is a huge difference as well
Maximum_Pound_5633@reddit
How? New York pizza is pizza, the others are wrong
Motochapstick@reddit
new york style is for sure top 5. maybe even top 4
beautifulxomind@reddit
On the East Coast, it's definitely pizza. In my not so humble opinion the only correct answer is NY/NJ. THen there is CT, with its disgusting nonsense just thirsting for attention.
BouncyMouse@reddit
Uh rude, CT pizza is delicious
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
Here's the thing, pizza rocks. I've had nearly every kind out there (except you Altoona!). They're all delicious in their own way. But when I think about a "slice of pizza"... it's always New York Style. Crap, now I'm hungry for lunch.
beautifulxomind@reddit
All pizza has merit. Chicago, at least, knows to call it deep dish or thin crust (both tasty). But i need California specifically to understand that you can't call a flatbread a pizza, no matter how good it tastes.
Zhong_Ping@reddit
For those who wanna know what Altoona is without having to google it:
Pizza cut into burgur sized squares
Pizza dough, Tomato sauce A single slice of full cross section green bell pepper A fucking delli meat style slice of salomi Topped with with a single slice of kraft american cheese...
It just keeps devolvint into insanity. I'm supprised the tomato sauce isnt mixed with Miracle Whip!
Oliver_Dixon@reddit
St Louis pizza is slept on
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
I will go there someday, when I do I vow to try the pizza.
Sassmaster008@reddit
You forgot New Haven and New Jersey
GreyGhost878@reddit
There is also Ohio Valley pizza (SE Ohio and WV panhandle) that puts on the cheese after baking so it only slightly melts.
There is Chicago pub style which is thin, cracker-like crust and cut into small squares (although it's round.)
And my hometown favorite, we have Youngstown (Ohio) style which is a pan crust and not skimpy on the sauce. There's a particular variety called Brier Hill that is sprinkled with romano cheese rather than mozzarella. It was originally poor man's pizza but now it is a tasty yet lower-calorie option.
VampireGremlin@reddit
You know I was curious what Altoona pizza was, so I googled it and now my days ruined.... :(
Exciting-Half3577@reddit
That's.... Ummm.... OK if that gets a name then so does my homemade bullshit.
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
On the upside you aren't in Altoona
jim_br@reddit
Add in New Haven, CT. They put a sign on the highway a few months ago calling CT the pizza capital. I think it was done so us New York City people pity them.
PutEmOnTheTable@reddit
I had to scroll way too far to find pizza. It's my #1 food rivalry by far
DeliciousBeanWater@reddit
As a PA native, fuck altoona
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
Heard the McDonald's sucks
vonsnootingham@reddit
Yeah, it has a rat problem.
Tasty_Plantain5948@reddit
Perkins wasnāt bad though.
Streamjumper@reddit
I take it your lack of mentioning CT pizza means you're sorting out 2nd place on.
TrixDaGnome71@reddit
In Upstate New York, thereās a bunch of regional dishes that duke it out, especially in Central and Western New York.
Utica: tomato pie, chicken riggies Binghamton: spiedies and city chicken Syracuse: salt potatoes Rochester: garbage plates Buffalo: wings
Thereās some friendly banter amongst people from these cities as to which dish is best, but I enjoy them all.
DOMSdeluise@reddit
Barbecue and it isn't close
TrixDaGnome71@reddit
Yep! Memphis ribs all the way!
Pillsbury37@reddit
Texas vs. the world
IwantRIFbackdummy@reddit
Because TX is the only one with shit bbq?
I went to see family in Austin and they raved about this shit fucking place for days, so we went. Stood outside for 2 hours in the garbage ass Texas sun before being seated. Order the recommended family style dinner, there were around a dozen of us.
These fuckers bring out platters of SAUCELESS DRY FUCKING MEAT and have the audacity to tell me it's bbq. Then they acted like I was an alien and they didn't know what I was talking about when I asked for their sauces...
And that is reason #432 Texas can fuck itself.
Pillsbury37@reddit
because Texas has the most overinflated opinion about their BBQ. I was a chef, I worked in a Brewery/restaurant, we smoked lots of meats. we made our own sauces from scratch. when I visited New Mexico I visited a Texas BBQ joint. I left appalled and hungry
PresidentBaileyb@reddit
Texas knows BBQ. The other states know BBQ sauce
FuckTheLonghorns@reddit
This is the differentiating factor. There's nothing wrong with sauce! But the food should taste like meat, with sauce/seasoning being secondary. Not sauce that tastes like meat
khamul7779@reddit
Silly take. Sauce is just as much a part of the food as the meat is.
FuckTheLonghorns@reddit
The sauce supports the meat. It shouldn't be the primary flavor. It's definitely important though, they're just their own things. Mediocre or average meat with superior sauce doesn't make excellent barbecue, it makes it superior sauce on average meat
regeya@reddit
Where I live there's more of a focus on dry rub, at least on pork shoulder. Ribs tend to be sauced and I think I'd rather solely have dry rub on ribs, too.
PresidentBaileyb@reddit
Thatās exactly my take!
FuckTheLonghorns@reddit
The other regional sauces, NC, Alabama, etc are fantastic as well. But the meat itself doesn't hold a torch to good ole salt and pepper or woodsmoked Texas meat
I'd love to start an argument about how Traegers are just crockpots for posers though
PresidentBaileyb@reddit
Iāll take a Traeger over the brisket my friend made in his actual Instapot a couple months back. It was awful.
Also, gig āem!
FuckTheLonghorns@reddit
Well, that sounds horrendous and I'd have to agree
Wreck em! Enemy of my enemy, I suppose
Pillsbury37@reddit
themz iz fighting words, you donāt need a 12 gallon hat to know how to smoke a brisket.
queenofhelium@reddit
I live in Alabama and Iāve had a lot of bbq, nothing compares to Texas bbq omg I love it so much. Their brisket! Lawd!
Pillsbury37@reddit
I live in Massachusetts, Iāve had better brisket and smoked pulled pork from food trucks here than anywhere else in the USA, and we have a selection of sauces not just brown sugar and liquid smoke
Buhos_En_Pantelones@reddit
Here I am thinking that all of them are delicious.
trinite0@reddit
I live in the Kansas City barbecue region, which is the most ecumenical of the barbecue styles. All are welcome!
garaks_tailor@reddit
Starts basting chicken with mayonaise
Correct_Succotash988@reddit
I actually do out mayo on my poultry before cooking sometimes to give it a nice skin.
:(
garaks_tailor@reddit
Alabama white baroque sauce is a thing
Dramatic_Basket_8555@reddit
I immediately thought of Alabama white sauce. Then again, I was born in the city it was developed in
middleageslut@reddit
Why am I not surprised to see mayonnaise and Alabama in the same sentence?
Correct_Succotash988@reddit
So is mayo :)
theguineapigssong@reddit
Smoked š¦ is where it's at
dirty_corks@reddit
Yeah, except for that weird mayonnaise-based version in Alabama. š¤¢š¤®
Just_saying19135@reddit
You must have never had it. Itās good.
middleageslut@reddit
Yet another reason to never set foot in Alabama.
mattyice18@reddit
White barbecue sauce is fantastic. Especially on chicken. Pull the whole bird off the smoker and dunk it.
niklovin@reddit
Yeah people that shit on white barbecue sauce donāt understand how itās meant to be used.
middleageslut@reddit
I had someone once tell me that they had experienced bad BBQ and had to spit it out. I knew in that moment I was talking to a liar.
There are different styles of BBQ. For sure. There is no bad BBQ.
Delta9312@reddit
Tomato based is best, no question; vinegar based is acceptable, as long as it's got some heat to it. Mustard based is an affront to the Lord, and South Carolina's greatest sin since Fort Sumter.
Mr_MacGrubber@reddit
Vinegar is by far #1 to me. A pulled pork sandwich with coleslaw and vinegar based sauce is heaven.
Buhos_En_Pantelones@reddit
While I will defend Carolina Gold based on taste, I will concede that it's more honey mustard than BBQ. Still delicious though.
Delta9312@reddit
I can't even be at the same table as a bottle of it. It offends all five senses.
But you enjoy it, though. Over there.
bsinions@reddit
We took a bus trip from Raleigh to Camden SC for the horse races. Group I was with got the event catered by a local restaurant. Mustard BBQ sandwiches. I almost felt bad for the Restaurant when they saw none of us each it. But they still got paid, and itās their fault they slather that bastard sauce on delicious pork.
TheNavigatrix@reddit
I really hate the kinds that are super-sweet. I remember thinking this about the barbeque I had in Arkansas.
DisappointedInHumany@reddit
To quote literally everyone- āYouāre right, it is delicious. But itās not barbecue. What we make back home is barbecue.ā
still770@reddit
"literally" š
koreamax@reddit
I love them.all but North Carolina is the strongest and Texas is the weakest for me
ScyllaGeek@reddit
But even just North Carolina has two distinct styles at war with each other haha
Teddyturntup@reddit
Eastern is better
MK5@reddit
Now, now..(I agree btw), at least it's all pork, cooked the same way. And we don't put sweet sauce or mustard-based sauce on it like the barbarians do.
GonnaGetHop-Ons@reddit
NC is pork. Im from there and itās glorious but itās also a more forgiving bbq. Harder to mess up. TX is beef and brisket is way harder to do correctly but itās heavenly when it is done right.
Inside_Potential_935@reddit
I enjoy and agree with this analysis.
koreamax@reddit
Never thought of that. Makes sense
Not_Cool_Ice_Cold@reddit
Yeah, I agree with you. I think most people enjoy the tremendous variety of regional BBQ.
For me, the most heated competition is Chicago vs NY pizza.
SavannahInChicago@reddit
I think that the customers certainly win in this conflict.
Longjumping-Air1489@reddit
I say we get these proponents of the different styles together in one place, they cook their style, and we can judge.
I envision no more than 7 days worth of meals to narrow it down to a 64-contestant tournament field. But Iām willing to make that sacrifice.
Um, and Iām also willing to judge the tournament. Just saying.
bombloader80@reddit
I'd help judge.
jlily18@reddit
I agree!
C_H-A-O_S@reddit
They are all delicious lol
mhoner@reddit
This is a fight where we all win regardless.
DirtyMarTeeny@reddit
Unless you're in South Carolina
YaThinkYerSlickDoYa@reddit
Mustard is king!
Rumhead1@reddit
In Alabama they dump mayonnaise on it.
Grouchy-Big-229@reddit
Itās really not all that bad. Iāve had it from Big Bob Gibsonās (the original) and itās fabulous on chicken. Other places copied it and it variesā¦ some are close, others are just plain bad. Iāve tried making it from recipes online and it never comes out right. I donāt know what they do at Big Bob Gibsonās, but itās magical.
Billy_Grahamcracker@reddit
I was about to dispute the mayo thing until I looked up the recipe and apparently Big Bob Gibsonās white sauce does mayo in it. Not a problem because I slather my fries in mayo soā¦
Grouchy-Big-229@reddit
I didnāt mean to convey that there wasnāt mayo in it. Just trying to say that people arenāt just opening a jar of Dukeās and slathering it on their pork.
Billy_Grahamcracker@reddit
I know, I was just pointing out I wasnāt even aware of it.
Buhos_En_Pantelones@reddit
That's actually the only one I haven't tried, I really don't like mayo.
Correct_Succotash988@reddit
They're all great, you just have your purists.
I am very good at tx bbq and some of the shit I hear my friends say about north Carolina is wild lmao. You'd think we hated each other.
TigerDude33@reddit
Have you been to NC?
Buhos_En_Pantelones@reddit
Alas, no. But I've had the style. Is that your favorite?
TigerDude33@reddit
no, the mustard one is heinous. NC has east and west. One is terrible, on par with St Louis pizza.
Alternative-Law4626@reddit
I had a friend in the DC area from Alabama. His comment on tasting NC bbq for the first time was: āThatās tasty, but itās not barbecue.ā
cozy_pantz@reddit
Youāre just pan loving.
johndoenumber2@reddit
I can't a sauce with a vinegar presence. I cannot stand what sometimes seems to be nearly straight-up vinegar with maybe red pepper flakes or something else providing color, which is from NC, I guess (?).
cephalophile32@reddit
Yep NC. But Iām in NC and I LOVE it. But also, I just really like vinegar lol. Iād get down with Memphis & Texas and really want to try SC mustard!
livin4donuts@reddit
SC Mustard Based is my favorite style. The clear, vinegar based kind from NC is not my favorite except with pulled pork.
johndoenumber2@reddit
I literally love every other kind, regardless of sauce or meat.
TyrionIsntALannister@reddit
I feel bad for you
Cheaperthantherapy13@reddit
I didnāt even finish reading the question before I pulled out my proverbial āNorth Carolina Vinegar Pepper Sauce Foreverā banner and braced myself for a fight.
2donuts4elephants@reddit
I'm a California native, so I really don't have a dog in the BBQ fight. But having tried all three major kinds of BBQ, Carolina style is my favorite. Texas is pretty damn good too, but i'd say Carolina beats it out by a hair.
Easy-Concentrate2636@reddit
I would personally eat beef in Tx and stick with pork in NC. Pulled pork in NC is divine.
Live in NY where most American BBQ is a crime against humanity.
According-Item-2306@reddit
California has tri-tips, you traitorā¦
But VBQ styles are different enough between region that all rivalries should be localsā¦
Billyconnor79@reddit
There are at least three Carolina styles. Eastern NC style is pork with vinegar and peppers and no tomato. Somewhere around Raleigh tomato shows up in the sauce. South Carolina is somewhat like eastern North Carolina but with mustard in it. And I believe in far western NC the sauce is tomato and vinegar on lamb or mutton but I clubbed mistaken.
THElaytox@reddit
Lexington are the tomato loving heathens
heddyneddy@reddit
Lexington is kinda a combo of East and west. Itās got tomato but itās still a vinegar based tomato sauce. When you get further west into the foothills and mountains itās a much heavier tomato based sauce, like what most people in the US would consider a ātraditionalā BBQ sauce.
TheMaltesefalco@reddit
Went to Lexington,NC for the bbq fest one time. Honestly it was just meh.
Pluffmud90@reddit
South Carolina has four different sauce regions with the midlands around Columbia being the predominant mustard based region.Ā
serious_sarcasm@reddit
only people in worst carolina care about its subregions
im-on-my-ninth-life@reddit
I'm from Georgia, Carolina has 2 subregions, north and south.
jnoobs13@reddit
Western NC uses quite a lot of tomato paste with vinegar. Eastern NC uses vinegar distinctly. The Piedmont has been taken over by carpetbaggers and gentrifiers and doesnāt know BBQ. In SC the Lowcountry uses vinegar like Eastern NC and the Upstate uses mustard. Thereās also some local styles like Lexington style, for example.
gatornatortater@reddit
Along with the ketchup in the sauce, those westerners also do this weird thing where they put pickles on their BBQ sandwiches instead of slaw.
pondman11@reddit
The mutton is typically associated with Kentucky
2donuts4elephants@reddit
Based on that description I believe it was Eastern NC then.
Facetiousgeneral42@reddit
Fellow California resident here: California gave the world the Tri-tip cut in the late 50s, and my unpopular barbecue opinion is that Santa Maria style can absolutely hold its own with the big dogs in Texas, KC and Carolina. Californians absolutely have a dog in this fight, its just not one that anyone outside of SoCal seems to be aware of.
Zenethe@reddit
Same with St Louis style in my opinion that Iām sure is held by no one outside of St Louis.
lawyerjsd@reddit
Another fellow California resident here - I'm going out on a limb to say that Santa Maria barbecue isn't really barbecue as the tri tip is not cooked low and slow. It's really more of form of Latin American asado, which was probably introduced by Argentinians who worked on the cattle ranches.
Facetiousgeneral42@reddit
Most tri-tip that I've had was cooked for a couple of hours over a pit of oak coals. Though I am admittedly far from a barbecue expert and have no idea what qualifies as what. But yeah, the traditional cooking process for Santa Maria style barbecue (predating the popularization of tri-tip) 100% originated with the vaqueros who worked the ranchos up and down the central coast. There's a strong latin influence to it as a direct result.
lawyerjsd@reddit
I have a Santa Maria grill and cook tri tip all the time. While it is cooked using wood, a tri tip will take around 45 minutes to cook to medium rare (how a tri tip should be cooked). In contrast, barbecue takes hours. Ribs take around 5 hours to cook, chickens 2-3 hours, and brisket and pork shoulder will take 10-14 hours to cook.
Don't get me wrong, tri tip is fucking awesome, but the method of cooking comes from a different tradition than Southern barbecue.
MCRN-Tachi158@reddit
Loving to disagree. The ālow and slow smokedā definition was borne out of some purist/revisionist movement to narrow what true bbq is, to what they do and not some other region. Ā Bbq is food cooked over an open flame, and involves smoke. Heck, ribs that take 5 hours to cook can be argued isnāt true bbq. They didnāt have offset cookers 500 years ago. And they cooked entire animals. You think theyāre cooking just a shoulder for 14 hours? Hell naw they need to eat and get going. Bbq in America started by cooking directly over or just off the side of an open flame or coals.Ā Many legendary places cook directly over coals or heat. Ribs are done in 1 hour.Ā
There is a better argument that Ā low and slow with offset smokers isnāt bbq. ItāsĀ just smoking.Ā
lawyerjsd@reddit
I think there are essentially two valid definitions of barbecue: food cooked directly or indirectly with wood (and cooked, not cold smoked), or meat cooked with techniques and recipes that derive from the methods first invented by the Taino people and brought to the US through North Carolina. The former definition is broader, but would encompass Santa Maria style barbecue, as well as South American asado. The latter is more respectful to the traditions that make barbecue barbecue.
Radiant_Quality_9386@reddit
Cooking tri tip beyond mid rare is the only crime to still carry the death penalty in the Golden State
Facetiousgeneral42@reddit
Ah, okay, that actually answers my question. Tri-tip as a cut definitely cooks pretty quickly compared to other meats, if that's the primary quantifier. Even big tri-tips cooked on a spit over a pit of coals take three hours at absolute maximum (or at least thats been my experience). I appreciate the clarity!
RemoteIll5236@reddit
I donāt knowāI visit NC often, but Ive had Some great barbecue in San Juan Capistrano at Heritage Barbecue.
StillLifewWoodpecker@reddit
I do like Santa Maria style tri tip. I was born in Texas though and if youāve had proper Texas brisket itās just in a league of its own. Tri tip is basically just a big steak. You arenāt slaving over a smokehouse spraying and padding down a tough cut of meat overnight w love and care.
SoCal Mex dunks on TexMex.
Facetiousgeneral42@reddit
Can't say I disagree; I'm partial to my own local style, but I like Texas barbecue over the other styles I've tried by a pretty solid margin. Brisket, properly done, is one of the only red meats my wife will eat.
Much to the chagrin of my Texan friends, I have yet to encounter good Mexican food within the Lone Star state. Which is not to say that isn't user error, cause Texas is huge and I've also managed to find solid Mexican in fucking Chicago.
StillLifewWoodpecker@reddit
Chi-town 2nd largest Latino population to LA!
Facetiousgeneral42@reddit
I did not know that! Kind of explains a lot. Great city, I really need to spend more time in that region.
HackedCylon@reddit
Any state where you must specify that you do NOT want gluten-free crust on pizza must hang their heads in food shame. Like GOT Cerce being led through the city nude kind of shame. Like bet on both Betamax and HD-DVD kind of shame. Like gluten-free pizza crust kind of shame.
Facetiousgeneral42@reddit
Which state are you running into this issue in? I'm not sure I've ever encountered a gluten-free pizza crust on a menu here. Then again, I make it a point to avoid LA and San Francisco, so maybe thats a more localized problem.
2donuts4elephants@reddit
Gluten free crust is definitely a thing. That said, the OP is making fun of us when he says that you have to specify you don't want gluten free. The opposite is true, if you want a gluten free crust you have to ask for it.
Facetiousgeneral42@reddit
Oh I know gluten free crust is a thing; I've made it myself. However, I've never been to a pizzaria in this state where GF was the default, and, aside from national chains, can't think of any in my area where that's even an option.
HackedCylon@reddit
SoCal, Oregon, and Washington State. Cardboard painted in ketchup.
Facetiousgeneral42@reddit
Oof, sounds like you were hitting up the wrong pizza spots, my guy.
HackedCylon@reddit
Yep. The wrong spots turned out to be SoCal, Oregon, and Washington State. š
PurpleAriadne@reddit
You canāt get tri-tip cut like that outside of Cali. They butcher it differently and look at you funny when you ask for it, unless itās a high end place.
brose_af@reddit
Not necessarily true ā here in southwest and central Missouri (Springfield specifically) itās an incredibly popular cut, we were surprised to find out other regions had it as well. Hereās a link to what I have in mind in case weāre using the same name for two different products.
Facetiousgeneral42@reddit
I'm not surprised to hear this, but I am kind of disappointed.
dgmilo8085@reddit
I will pit my SoCal tritip plate against any KC bbq
tsukiii@reddit
Super thin-sliced tri-tip on a sandwich is one of my favorite bbq dishes.
Facetiousgeneral42@reddit
I stockpile and dry red oak branches every year in anticipation of summer barbecue season. There's nothing out there that hits quite like a good tri-tip slow-cooked over coast live oak, and I've done my share of traveling to arrive at that conclusion.
Lilacblue1@reddit
Chili. The bean, no bean controversy. Sorry but chili that is all meat is just a boring pot of spicy hamburger.
kytasV@reddit
Santa Maria style from a dude in a parking lot towing his grill is perfection
Travelsat150@reddit
Itās not BBQ. Not like in the south or Texas. When you see pit masters they smoke BBQ overnight. It takes hours.
canisdirusarctos@reddit
Yeah, Iām with you on this, except the cut and style is much older than that. It isnāt exactly BBQ in the southern sense, either.
Facetiousgeneral42@reddit
I should probably have specified, obviously a Californian wasn't the first person to think of eating the "triangle cut", historically, but every source I can find seems to agree that it was popularized as a specialty cut in California after World War 2 and spread from there.
I'm actually really curious what criteria constitutes BBQ by southern reckoning? I'd always been under the impression that Santa Maria style was just another on a long list of regional American barbecue styles, but that could also be chalked up to living half an hour from its namesake city of origin.
boldjoy0050@reddit
What I like most about NC style is that it stays true to its roots. Most of the best places are hole in the wall style joints that have been doing it for decades or longer. It's a meal for any type of person.
In Texas, BBQ has become "craft" and with that comes a hefty price tag. And it's always the same setup. They make you wait in line to increase hype, never make enough so they can say "get here early otherwise we run out", give you brown butcher paper and a metal tray, and charge $8 for a side of mac & cheese.
jp_jellyroll@reddit
That was Dallas in a nutshell for me. A bunch of over-hyped BBQ restaurants that look like Chipotle or McDonalds but with a Texas twang like serving on metal trays & picnic tables indoors.
The best places were harder to find, smaller, less talked about, etc.
QuinceDaPence@reddit
There are those. And I think it's kinda rediculous, some of the ones in and around Houston where the line goes around the block. Ain't no way that can be that good. But if you go out more rural you can find good options that are more locally known and not as over hyped.
If you go to any small town and ask a random person where the best place to get BBQ nearby is they will definitely have an answer for you. It might be a bit of a drive though, if you asked me I'd give you one that's ~15 miles away but is absolutely worth it.
bebeepeppercorn@reddit
Carolina bbq hands down. Has a little bit of a vinegary taste in it.
JeddakofThark@reddit
I have no idea why it bothers me so much, but my blood pressure spikes every time I hear someone say "Carolina BBQ" as if it's a single, unified style. Between the two states, there are at least three major styles, and when you factor in the subcategories, the variety grows even more. And that's just the sauces. There are fierce debates over the proper side dishes, too.
lifeofideas@reddit
As with everything, the specific restaurant you go to makes a huge difference. Iāve had tasted BBQ at different places in Texas, and sometimes the most modest places are better than the famous places with 200 people waiting in line.
Ironwarsmith@reddit
Carolina has the better pork, Texas has better beef. I don't really have a preference between the two, they're both good.
There is no 3rd contender.
Facetiousgeneral42@reddit
Fellow California resident here: California gave the world the Tri-tip cut in the late 50's, and my unpopular barbecue opinion is that Santa Maria style can absolutely stand with the big dogs in Texas, KC and Carolina. California absolutely has a dog in this fight. Just not one that most people outside of SoCal seem to be aware of.
Gilamunsta@reddit
What's your 3rd? KC or Memphis?
2donuts4elephants@reddit
Memphis. The sauce is really good, and the pit cooked makes it seem pretty authentic.
But really, to someone like myself who is kind of an outsider to this culinary war, it sometimes seems like we're splitting hairs here because the simple fact of the matter is they're ALL good.
Gilamunsta@reddit
That's my take, I live in none of those places, but I love'em all - I'm just a carnivore š
sir_thatguy@reddit
Mama always said if I donāt have anything nice to say, donāt say anything at all.
Soā¦..
guapoismydog@reddit
How about āRTFMā?
sir_thatguy@reddit
Coulda been a lot worse.
K4NNW@reddit
I can hear the people in Lexington pressurising the tomato sauce fire hose as we speak.
NewPresWhoDis@reddit
North Carolina isn't even united on this as a state
K4NNW@reddit
I think/hope that's the point.
TheMaltesefalco@reddit
It cant be a sauce though. Its literally vinegar with some peppers in it.
angrymurderhornet@reddit
Iām a New Englander by birth, and never took to barbecue at all until I tried the vinegar-based East Carolina style. It was a revelation.
I think a lot of it has to do less with my not growing up in barbecue country than my not being fond of sweet sauces on any savory dishes.
Vegetable_Park_6014@reddit
NC best sauce, Texas best meatĀ
Zziggith@reddit
Always amusing when North Carolinians pretend that there is no South Carolina.
Radiant_Quality_9386@reddit
THERE'S TWO OF THEM!?
AquaticKoala3@reddit
Just wait until you hear about North, South, and West Dakota
geographynerdy@reddit
That style of sauce on a plate of Texas brisket and smoked beef sausage is the best combo pork is okay and tomato heavy, mustard heavy, or mayo heavy sauces are not good. Itās vinegar and spice and Texas beef.
sultrie@reddit
If the bbq needs sauce then its not bbq
Cheaperthantherapy13@reddit
But I love sauces on all my foods. Good bbq doesnāt need it, but a good sauce (like a good side) makes good bbq an adventure.
If you wanna get really subversive, try adding a side of Peruvian salsa verde to your grilled meats. Cilantro, lime, garlic, jalapeƱo (or yellow aji) peppers, and a little mayo in a blender. Itās a game changer.
sultrie@reddit
I hate all bbq sauce personally but we dont really cook with sauce here in texas anyways. I dislike every sauce unless its to go on pasta. feels like a crutch for bad food. Also in texas salsa verde already comes with bbq if its mexican bbq. tomatillos, lime, garlic, onion, cilantro, jalapeƱos.
alkali112@reddit
Yeah, Iām from Alabama, and I still HEAVILY prefer vinegar based sauces over white sauce.
Cheaperthantherapy13@reddit
But white sauce on chicken tendersā¦thatās my gluttonous shame food. So good.
NoVaFlipFlops@reddit
Be honest: it's brown sugar sauce.
PlantedinCA@reddit
On the team too
blah938@reddit
You're welcome to your opinion, but it is wrong my man! In the name of the Alamo and all that is holy, that opinion is heresy!
Cheaperthantherapy13@reddit
Texas gets brisket, hands down, no contest.
Call me biased all you want, but a NC-style pork BBQ sandwich, topped with homemade coleslaw is perfection.
maxman1313@reddit
Where can I get one of those?
PlayingDoomOnAGPS@reddit
Damn right! I don't understand why everybody doesn't chop their pork instead of shredding it either. It's a much nicer texture and it makes for a better sandwich.
jsmoothie909@reddit
Is it dank?
TheMightyBoofBoof@reddit
Imdoingmypart.gif
ToxDocUSA@reddit
I love barbecue in all its myriad forms, both American and otherwise. Texas, KC, StL...
But given the choice on a menu I will always choose carolina style. Probably just because it's rare to see and even rarer to find done well, but...DAMN is it fantastic!
PurpleAriadne@reddit
Texas dry rub!! And Texas sauce!
FearTheAmish@reddit
I will fight side by side under this banner
TackYouCack@reddit
Something about my axe.
PresidentBaileyb@reddit
If you have to put sauce on it, did you even BBQ it right??
Texan checkin in š¤
Cheaperthantherapy13@reddit
I cede all rights to beef bbq to Texas, unconditionally. But porkā¦vinegar all day, baby!
PresidentBaileyb@reddit
I love it all, weāre all winners of this fight!
TheTumblingBoulders@reddit
vinegar all the way š
Sowf_Paw@reddit
I won't fight you but I will feel sorry for you.
batmanismysidekick@reddit
I love Kings BBQ sauce
BitterAndDespondent@reddit
Might give pizza a very distant second
Exciting-Half3577@reddit
Shhhhhh..... do you want to get killed? Pizza was my first thought but holy crap with these BBQ people.
PG908@reddit
I would say people will be more likely to stab you over pizza. Most people accept that other bbq styles have their merits, but altoona style pizza is a crime, among others.
jackneefus@reddit
Having lived in New Haven, Connecticut, I would say not so distant.
PittedOut@reddit
You forgot about chili. Those people will fight to the death.
whiteholewhite@reddit
Central Texas BBQ blows every other type out of the water
Some-guy7744@reddit
What's different about Texas BBQ
whiteholewhite@reddit
Itās smoked for along time at a medium temp. It gets the Smokey flavor and renders the fat. So itās very tender and very flavorful. Texas itself has several regional styles
Some-guy7744@reddit
Isn't that just what BBQ is?
whiteholewhite@reddit
In a sense. Regionally BBQ varies a lot in the method
Some-guy7744@reddit
You won't find a Texas BBQ restaurant anywhere? But you will find a New York style pizza place. BBQ just seems like it's BBQ where everyone tries different things.
Jaeger-the-great@reddit
No one can agree and I've accepted it. I make my own at home. Electric smoker with cherry pellets, then I smother a rack of pork ribs with cherry cola dry rub and smoke till it falls off the bone, I don't even need a sauce. Or I'll do a pork shoulder with a generic pork seasoning and smoke till it falls off the bone tender and juicy
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
Can we, for the sake of humanity, accept both that your brisket is awesome AND that the Carolinas know a thing or two about pork butt?
I love brisket, but I don't always want it when getting BBQ.
fairelf@reddit
Agreed, I smoke Carolina style pork and Texas style brisket and serve them with yellow BBQ sauce and TX moping sauce respectively.
ghjm@reddit
I have no problem saying that Texas brisket is awesome. I've taken a several hour layover in DFW more than once just to get out to Terry Black's.
That being said, I don't concede NC's superiority. Our schools are probably worse than yours, our politics are certainly more corrupt, but god damn it, there's some real historical evidence for the claim that NC is the origin of BBQ. Let us have this one thing, will you?
Adrestia@reddit
Political corruption is pretty bad in TX, too.
ghjm@reddit
You can have that one if you want it, but maybe you haven't been following the whole "in the dying days of our supermajority we'll vote that only Republicans can make any decisions in future" stuff that's going on in NC right now.
Adrestia@reddit
Oh yeah. That's bad.
Grouchy-Big-229@reddit
I feel Alabama and Georgia do a better job on pork butts. I lived in North Carolina for eight years and never found a good BBQ spot in all that time. And it wasnāt for lack of trying. And Iām talking local establishments, not chains. Though The Pit in downtown Raleigh was pretty darn good, though that kinda a highfalutin establishment.
digit4lmind@reddit
The better NC BBQ is a whole hog BBQ
Rawrkinss@reddit
I see the NC tag - if you havenāt been to the Skylight Inn in Ayden-Grifton you gotta make the trip. Best whole hog bbq Iāve ever had.
KoalaGrunt0311@reddit
A pig pickin is next to godliness.
deuceice@reddit
I learned that a goat picking us up there!
StunGod@reddit
I do love me a pig pickin. Strong preference for Eastern NC vinegar sauce.
serious_sarcasm@reddit
It's the only sauce that competes with pico de gallo for pulled pork.
StunGod@reddit
Oh, I believe you're right about that. I need to do more of that, but now I'm on the West Coast. I'll bide my time.
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
My smoker is too small for whole hog... but I know you're right.
MonkeyDavid@reddit
Have you tried a suckling pig? It fits in my smoker.
jabbadarth@reddit
Grew up having this at family get togethers and it just can not be beat. Little crispy bits, chewy bits, tender bits, sweetness and spice from the vinegar sauce.
Oh man I need this now.
rawchess@reddit
Texas vs the Carolinas isn't really a thing. Everyone more or less accepts that each region uses the meat and wood local to the respective region.
It's the intra-state debates that have folks fired up š
NewPresWhoDis@reddit
Then you get into vinegar versus tomato base
commandrix@reddit
Yes, my first thought was barbecue too. Like, they're all good, and which one I choose often depends on what I'm in the mood for. But that doesn't stop different states from arguing over which is the best.
mynameisnotshamus@reddit
Pizza could be close. BBQ is more of a preference than a rivalry, where people can appreciate multiple types. Thereās a little more animosity in the pizza discussion - Chicago isnāt even a pizza? Detroit style isnāt a style. Which is best, etc.
Some-guy7744@reddit
Is there even a regional BBQ. You don't see a Texas style BBQ place like you see a New York style pizza place.
DOMSdeluise@reddit
lmao
Cruickshark@reddit
uhhh. pizza is close, if you have somehow missed Chicago vs new york
hobozombie@reddit
Pizza is up there in divisiveness, but it lacks the sheer amount of diversity in arguments. There are arguments about the meat, the dry rub, the sauce (or lack thereof), the wood, the type of smoker, etc.
There are four major regions of barbecue culture, and each is convinced that theirs is clearly the best, then each region has subregional styles, each saying theirs is the TRUE region style.
Some-guy7744@reddit
If I eat BBQ I can't tell you what State it's from if I eat pizza I can.
The_Saddest_Boner@reddit
I donāt know man pizza in the US has like a dozen plus locally beloved varieties. If youāre from the northeast or a city in the Great Lakes states youāll probably hear as many arguments about pizza as bbq or more. Itās just that Italians only moved to those regions in large numbers.
Youāve got New York style, New York Sicilian (or grandma slice), Boston bar pies, Philly tomato pies, Ohio style (both Columbus and Dayton), Detroit style, Chicago deep dish, Chicago stuffed pizza, Chicago thin crust (sometimes called tavern style), St. Louis style, and quad cities style off the top of my head
brickbaterang@reddit
Not even just the meat, but the sides as well. Cornbread, baked beans, slaw etc are all very divisive
Joonith@reddit
And the stew!
Vegetable_Park_6014@reddit
God what a delicious sub threadĀ
Vegetable_Park_6014@reddit
Came here to say this word for wordĀ
CanIEatAPC@reddit
Hmm...I think I need to professionally taste test all kinds of bbq to make a proper judgement.Ā
_Diggus_Bickus_@reddit
I'm a pork fan and moved to NC. You'd think I'd be great. But no these heathens chop their pork instead of pulling it.
The vinegar sauce is legit though
szyzy@reddit
Iām eating Eastern NC pulled pork as we speak- you just gotta find the right place.Ā
beenoc@reddit
Chopped is the more traditional way to do it with a whole hog, versus pulled is more often for just pork butt. You'll find pulled as well around here (probably a lot more than chopped, you gotta go to the good ol BBQ joints to get chopped nowadays.) Chopped gets all the fat and skin and other tastiness all mixed in there. Mmmm.
PlantedinCA@reddit
Mmmm. My mom would make us chopped bbq growing up. Over time she evolved it to be more like pulled pork and I missed her OG recipe.
BigHobbit@reddit
I'm from Oklahoma so we are a bastardized region. I'm a sliced brisket snob, but chopped pig is the tits. Especially when you splork it on a toasted bun with a quality sauce and a proper slaw...damn. manliest of manwitch.
Tdawwg78@reddit
I enjoyed reading that š
TheTumblingBoulders@reddit
When I first moved to NC years ago I couldnāt understand NC āBBQā at all and hardly considered it such. It wasnāt until about 5 years of living here and exploring and getting to understand NC culture, that I came to appreciate and eventually lust, NC BBQ. Vinegar is the way
Antique-Zebra-2161@reddit
Lol that's for sure. But I think everyone from Alabama, Memphis, North Carolina, Texas and Kansas City can agree that simply grilling hot dogs and hamburgers (barbecue in the west) is NOT barbecue!
Lereas@reddit
I lived in Memphis for 10 years and you are 100% right.
Teddyturntup@reddit
Idk Cincinnati chili fucking #Sucks
Usagi_Shinobi@reddit
Truth. Probably pizza in an extremely distant second place.
thegoatisoldngnarly@reddit
I think of barbecue every time I see a food debate among countries and Europeans are like, āwhatās American food, McDonaldās?!ā Us Southern Americans are intense about meats and sauces.
Alarming-Tradition40@reddit
There are some pretty awful BBQ places, I'm looking at you, Dickey's...
MaxGlutePress@reddit
Here in Alabama there are four topics that will very likely result in a heated argument:Ā Politics, religion, college football and barbeque
minicpst@reddit
Iām a vegetarian, and I still care about this one (Iāve never even eaten barbecue).
Entire-Joke4162@reddit
Did a road trip through the South/Midwest stopping at as many barbecue places I could and the religious fervor of the owners/staff of the restaurants was honestly inspirationalĀ
They really care about that shit and if you do anything but their style of BBQ itās poser, fake shit and youāre not real
I loved every second of it and all of it was incredible
StupendousMalice@reddit
There is like an active knife fighting going on in all the various BBQ subs over that at this very moment.
D-Rich-88@reddit
Between TX and Kansas City, or are there more contenders in the rivalry?
LuawATCS@reddit
TX, KC, Carolinas (especially West vs East), Alabama (especially poultry), StL and Memphis.
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
Poultry barbecue? I've never heard of that, but it sounds interesting!
LuawATCS@reddit
Yup, mostly smoked chicken or turkey.
Served with a spiced mayonnaise, they call it "white sauce" but it is mayonnaise that has been thinned down and mixed with spices.
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
That sounds great! I'd love to try it - I can't eat pork, so every time I've had barbecue, I just order brisket or beef ribs.
QuinceDaPence@reddit
The trick to get BBQ chicken right is for the person cooking it to get drunk and forget about it and then at least an hour or two after they meant to, they go "OH SHIT! THE CHICKEN!" And drunkenly sprint to the smoker.
MyUsername2459@reddit
Barbecue chicken is very popular.
Western Kentucky has a tradition of barbecue mutton as well.
DjinnaG@reddit
I think you can get bbq chicken most places that have more than a single type of meat, but in Alabama thereās usually also smoked wings and/or bbq turkey. Place closest to me has all three
LuawATCS@reddit
Hence why I said poultry in my original comment, because while I've found smoked chicken in a ton of places, finding smoked turkey, wings and WHOLE chickens is much less common.
But I remember seeing it in multiple places from Birmingham to Mobile.
LuawATCS@reddit
Completely understand that, trying to stay within food laws (Halal/Kosher/Hindu law) is always an interesting balance.
burnsbabe@reddit
The white sauce is great on pulled pork too, which we also do.
LuawATCS@reddit
I could see a really good white sauce pairing well with pork, but I'm a fan of a sauce that has some spice to it with my pork.
burnsbabe@reddit
There's a spicy vinegar-based sauce that's popular in that direction, though all the good white sauces I've had are loaded with black pepper.
LuawATCS@reddit
My favorite sauce for pulled pork is a spicy mustard sauce.
It has that horseradish mustard flavor as a base and then a back end finish of serrano and ancho chiles.
JesusStarbox@reddit
It's thinned down with vinegar.
Gilamunsta@reddit
Carolinas is North vs South, and in NC you get East vs West š
LuawATCS@reddit
Good correction! Because it's vinegar/tomato vs mustard (North v South) and tomato v vinegar in NC with west v east, correct?
I always get the Carolinas twisted
Gilamunsta@reddit
Yup, and I love it all š
TruckADuck42@reddit
Really just TX, KC, Memphis, and the Carolinas. StL doesn't do anything to differentiate itself and Bama is so different than what the rest of us are doing that it's apples to oranges. Most of these other spots people are mentioning are either too unique like Bama or not big enough for people to really know outside of their region.
Mysteryman64@reddit
God, I love some smoked chicken with an Alabama white sauce. That shit is straight up magic.
BlindPelican@reddit
I'm throwing Louisiana boucherie and Hawaiian kalua into this too. Let's go ALL OUT BBQ MELE!
LuawATCS@reddit
Hell, let's add birria/barbacoa because of the Mexican influence in the Southwest.
BlindPelican@reddit
BBQ: Final Wars about to happen in here!
amazingtaters@reddit
We need to stop perpetuating the lie that StL has a distinct BBQ style. Grilling spare ribs isn't bbq no matter how much sauce you slather them in and I am willing to die on that hill.
Bobcat2013@reddit
KC is just sauce on everything. Don't put them in the same sentence as TX when it comes to BBQ
D-Rich-88@reddit
But their sauce is hella good
Bobcat2013@reddit
Maybe, I'd prefer to have it on the side as an option. Not slathered on without my consent.
GhostOfJamesStrang@reddit
That would barely scratch the surface.Ā
D-Rich-88@reddit
True, I guess all across the south and parts of the Midwest
The_Saddest_Boner@reddit
Hell even California has some unique BBQ traditions that are worth trying. Had a BBQ trip tip āFrench dip styleā sandwich last time I visited that was incredible
Gilamunsta@reddit
Alabama, Memphis, Nashville, St. Louis. And if you're talking Texas, you're talking East vs West TX š
lighthouse-it@reddit
You've never been to the Carolinas, have you?
D-Rich-88@reddit
I have not. Itās on the list
lighthouse-it@reddit
When you go, get some pork barbecue. It'll be some of the best you've ever had, trust
burnsbabe@reddit
You missed the entirety of the deep south there. Those two both BBQ beef!
D-Rich-88@reddit
I mentioned it in my follow up comment
MyUsername2459@reddit
The Carolinas and Western Kentucky come to mind.
KYReptile@reddit
Western Kentucky.
SilverSteele69@reddit
Texas, Kansas City, North Carolina, Tennessee
HM02_@reddit
Memphis.
Ok_Training_663@reddit
Tennessee even has a law prohibiting either of its most popular barbecue sauces to claim to be the official state barbecue, because of this.
pf_burner_acct@reddit
There's only one right way. The Northern Wisconsin way.
Boil the meat for 10 hours. Add salt and let dry. Eat with ketchup using a fork and knife.
samspock@reddit
The best barbecue is what ever the region you are currently in makes. The good part is that you can move around and get the best all over again!
DOMSdeluise@reddit
The best barbecue is the barbecue you like best, it all tastes good to me lol
Sunflowers9121@reddit
Moved to NC and had never even heard of vinegar BBQ. Soooo different.
Edwardian@reddit
Yes, especially Memphis vs. Kansas City. Texas and Carolina are significantly removed geographically, but Memphis and KC really aren't THAT far apart...
Top-Comfortable-4789@reddit
Ngl Iām content with admitting you do it best down in Texas. Iām from NC but I prefer the dry rubs down there.
Lower_Kick268@reddit
Fr, Appalachian bbq is the best.
Argosnautics@reddit
Pizza maybe a distant second.
Alternative-Law4626@reddit
Yep, my first thought on reading the question.
Grand_Taste_8737@reddit
Yep, hard to beat that Eastern NC BBQ. BTW, BBQ is pork, not beef. :fighting gloves gif: lol :)
mtngrl60@reddit
Thus was my immediate thought.
Texas brisket.Ā NC vinegary sauces.Ā KC ribs. Dry rub or sauce?
Just SO many delicious variations!!!
iamjaidan@reddit
Youāre correct, but it is close with pizza and to a lesser degree, chili
relativelyjewish@reddit
Yeah, KC BBQ is best
revanisthesith@reddit
No, they're saying that barbeque is the most fought over food and whatever food is in second place isn't even close to how much people argue over how to prepare barbeque.
StuckInWarshington@reddit
Texas for beef and Hawaii for pork. Folks are arguing about their regional sauces, and recipe for kalua pig is just a pig and some salt. Simple perfection.
damiensol@reddit
Can confirm, am Texan.
PaBlowEscoBear@reddit
As a North Carolina native who currently lives in Texas I felt this so hard.
slugo17@reddit
KC>Carolina>dogshit>Texas
laughingintothevoid@reddit
I see it too with sides traditionally associated with BBQ. At non BBQ jobs that have had potato salad or coleslaw as like $2 sides in tiny cups, I've been stunned at how seriously customers debate ordering them and interrogate servers about every detail of the recipe, and do the thing where they ask a very momentous wide eyed "is it good" SUPER anxiously like it's the biggest decision of their day.
At this one deli in particlar, I served so many people more anxious in that way about ordering their potato salad side than their entree, it was bizarre. I do get wanting to make sure you spend your money on something you'll enjoy. But I just never imagined anybody being so pressed about potato salad having more mayo or mustard. I guess it's not my thing, but I don't find any version that different and cannot imagine it making or breaking a meal.
mollyologist@reddit
I'm one of those people. I really dislike mustard, so finding out if it's a mayo or mustard based potato salad is make-or-break for ordering.
paradisetossed7@reddit
Idk, pizza has to be up there.
paradisetossed7@reddit
Idk, pizza has to be up there.
maxman1313@reddit
Here's a quick breakdown of all the main regional barbecue types.
ChickerWings@reddit
I agree BBQ, but pizza style starts a lot of convos as well.
PatrickRsGhost@reddit
Barbecue was the first thing that came to my mind. It's a very heated topic.
It's not just a regional thing; you could have arguments over which restaurant in the same city has the best barbecue.
In my town, there used to be two barbecue restaurants run by two separate families, and neither had any connection to the other. They had completely different sauce recipes and their styles were way different. One had a more "wet" barbecue, where a little bit of sauce was cooked into the meat, and when you ordered a sandwich or plate, they'd add a bit more sauce. The other had a more "dry" barbecue, where the meat was only seasoned by a dry rub and smoke. They didn't add sauce to their sandwiches or plates, but they did give you cups of sauce if you took it to go or they had bottles of sauce on the tables if you chose to dine in.
The wet barbecue place had been around since the mid-1980s, but they sold to another family in 2022, and that place closed down in 2023. The dry barbecue place is still in business.
I've seen a lot of posts on the local Facebook groups about how much some of the people here missed the wet barbecue place, how nasty the dry barbecue place is, and asking for recommendations on other barbecue places in the surrounding area. I've always come to the defense of the dry place, stating that I'd never, and I mean NEVER, had a bad experience there, and even explained how theirs was more of a dry rub recipe, so you can add as little or as much sauce as you want. They seem to be doing good; I've never been the only one in the restaurant anytime I've eaten there.
mjmjr1312@reddit
BBQ really has a couple distinct styles. There is mustard based and the wrong way.
NotTheMariner@reddit
Memphis style >>>
(I know, the flair doesnāt check out)
SeeTheSounds@reddit
Pizza is number two for sure
carlthetrashman@reddit
Hands down. There's layers to this argument:
You could be talking about event vs culinary art...barbeque in the south means a specific style of cooking meat, while the northeast, and most the rest of the country, they're talking about cooking over flame/coals on a grill.
You could be talking about the best type of meat...Texas brisket, vs Midwest ribs vs South East pork butt.
You could mean prep...pulled vs chopped, dry vs sauce.
You could mean type of sauce...vinegar based, ketchup based, mustard based, mayo based.
The grandaddy of regional, culinary fight. And we've lost brothers to this shit.
jabbadarth@reddit
Type of meat, style of cutting, style of serving, what rub to put on it, wet mopping or not, whay sauce to serve it with, on bread or not...
So many little things to start feuds over and I love it all. Gives me more styles to eat.
SonoftheSouth93@reddit
Yay I get to rep Memphis in a discussion thatās not about crime. Sweet.
Memphis has the best pork BBQ. Beef is a Texas v. Missouri/Kansas thing. Thatās not our fight.
WeathermanOnTheTown@reddit
tomato-based BBQ v. vinegar-based BBQ
Zestyclose_Entry_483@reddit
Carolina> Texas> KC> anything else> mustard.
ballrus_walsack@reddit
All barbecue is good on a summer day with friends and some cold drinks.
redditprofile99@reddit
I don't even come from a BBQ state and it wasn't close in my mind either
Hylian_ina_halfshell@reddit
Where you are yeah. Up here in the New York area, its pizza and its not even close
Art_Music306@reddit
I'm gonna invite controversy and say that the very best BBQ doesn't need any sauce at all.
LadyOfTheNutTree@reddit
Clearly youāve never heard of pizza
ZonaWildcats23@reddit
Yeah not even close how trash and expensive Texas bbq is.
The_Poster_Nutbag@reddit
Idk, pizza is pretty high up that list.
like_shae_buttah@reddit
Thereās Eastern NC and ā¦ whatever else everyone else is doing
EcstasyCalculus@reddit
I'd say pizza and hot dogs are pretty close
jacksraging_bileduct@reddit
Without a doubt bbq, like NC style vs SC style.
Engine_Sweet@reddit
This was going to be my response. Word for word
albertnormandy@reddit
Thereās BBQ made with vinegar and thereās boiled meat with ketchup. Seems simple enough to me.Ā
Curmudgy@reddit
I call that sauerbraten.
ksay9104@reddit
I knew barbecue would be the top answer. THAT'S how American I am!
Artemis1982_@reddit
Hello!
Kaurifish@reddit
I kinda wish we'd go to war over BBQ styles rather than whatever this is.
MarcusAurelius0@reddit
Chili is a contentious contender.
neBular_cipHer@reddit
Pizza and it isnāt close
GEEK-IP@reddit
You should eat all kinds, a balanced diet is good for you! :D
Thepuppypack@reddit
Balance is everything
DevilPixelation@reddit
Pizza has tons of regional varieties. New York, Chicago, Detroit, California, New Havenā¦ tons of options and lots of history behind it. Barbecue is also a big one.
Freebird_1957@reddit
Chili: beans vs no beans.
cookingismything@reddit
Barbeque in a handful of states. Pizza in others
maegorthecruel1@reddit
grits. some places enjoy them with sugar and butter, other places make them savory with onions and old bay seasoning. personally, i think grits should have sugar , but to each his own
ActuaLogic@reddit
The strongest rivalries involve barbecue.
Some-guy7744@reddit
Not regionally.
ActuaLogic@reddit
Yes, regionally. Texas, St. Louis, Memphis, North Carolina.
Some-guy7744@reddit
But what is the difference
ActuaLogic@reddit
The differences are in the types and cuts of meat, as well as in the cooking methods. (And I should have referred to Kansas City rather than St. Louis style barbecue, because, while there is a distinct St. Louis style of barbecue, it's Kansas City that is considered one of the four major US barbecue styles.)
Some-guy7744@reddit
Wait some states only offer certain cuts of meat for BBQ that is so sad. Why not have a variety like everywhere else?
ActuaLogic@reddit
I'm sure that all types of barbecue are available in all states, but regional varieties will be better in the places they come from.
Some-guy7744@reddit
Maybe but if I have a smoked brisket no one will call it Texas BBQ like how if you make a new York style pizza you call it New York style pizza.
kwajagimp@reddit
Has to be barbeque. Maybe with chili as a runner up.
Some-guy7744@reddit
What are the regional types of bbq
kwajagimp@reddit
Long and varied topic, but I'd say the main schools are:
1) Carolina/East Coast (the original) 2) Memphis 3) St. Louis 4) Kansas City 5) Texas 6) maybe California/Asian Fusion
That last one is debatable - a lot of people would argue anything from an Asian tradition isn't really BBQ. To which I say go to a Hawaiian luau and tell me that's not BBQ.
It also kind of depends on what particular cut of meat and dish you're talking about. For instance, Carolina style is almost 100% pork, whereas Texas uses a majority of beef cuts (particularly brisket) as well as pork. Memphis is mostly ribs. That sort of difference.
Like jazz is the music of America, BBQ is the food of America. It grew from various immigrant cultures, but was first recognized as separate here, and continued to grow and morph as America has spread.
Some-guy7744@reddit
I guess since I'm not from any of these areas we just call them all different dishes in the category of BBQ. If I'm at a BBQ place they offer brisket, ribs, pork and chicken. With a variety of different types of bbq sauce usually hot, mild, vinegar, and tangy.
Remarkable_Table_279@reddit
Chili + beans or chili no beansĀ
Queenalicious89@reddit
My husband and I have this argument every time I make chili. He's from SW Ohio where Cincinnati Skyline Chili has no beans... he doesn't realize literally just about everywhere else puts beans in their chili and serves it with cornbread, without pasta.
RealAssociation5281@reddit
Y'all are eating chili without beans???
Ironwarsmith@reddit
Only fools who don't know what chili is. My grandmother is from Nicaragua and always made her chili with beans. I ain't taking no shit from about there not being beans in chili.
Rj924@reddit
Chili with no beans is just meat sauce.
Hour-Watch8988@reddit
Chilies are indigenous to the United States. So are beans. Beef is not.
Case closed.
takamori22@reddit
Beef is very much indigenous to the United States.
Hour-Watch8988@reddit
No itās not.
takamori22@reddit
Ever hear of a bison?
redwoods81@reddit
Did you eat a fun gummy?
thegoatisoldngnarly@reddit
Not being confrontational, just curious. Why would being Nicaraguan matter? Did the dish originate there?
Ironwarsmith@reddit
While the exact origin of chili is not truly known, it's widely believed to have been created in Central America in which beans and chilis were native and beef was unknown until the Old World started colonizing.
I'm going with the person native to the area it most probably came from when believing what makes for "real" chili. Also, chili without beans is just stew.
thegoatisoldngnarly@reddit
I agree that Chili without beef is just stew. Iāve been to a few Central American countries (Panama, Mexico, Costa Rica) and Colombia but I never associated those countries with chili. But I do believe it should include beans.!
joemoore38@reddit
On a hot dog, yes. In a bowl, maybe.
Uncle_Sloppy@reddit
Putting beans in chili in Texas gets you catapulted out of the state.
redwoods81@reddit
Yay š
KarenEiffel@reddit
For me, chili without beans is a condiment, like you put on hotdogs. With beans it's a meal or dish on its own.
sultrie@reddit
If youre eating it with beans then youre not eating chili lol
underhillsmustache@reddit
If youāre making chile con carne or chile colorado itās just meat, chile, broth and some other spices/herbs. I think if youāre making cornbread with it, the chili needs beans but not kidney beans, they arenāt my favorite.
In my experience in Texas, youāve got some purists but most people donāt have that strong of an opinion.
fatpad00@reddit
Chili is simply spiced stewed beef. Beans were added as filler because they're much cheaper than beef and take on the flavors well.
cucumberswithanxiety@reddit
Chili without beans is just extra spiced bolognese. Team beans
shepard_pie@reddit
If you make chili without beans, it needs large pieces of chili peppers.
cucumberswithanxiety@reddit
Actually I agree with this
HereForTheBoos1013@reddit
This was the snark someone made about my Texas red at an informal chili cookoff before trying it and licking the bowl.'
My chili took second place and first place had her chef brother make her entry.
I am bisexual, so I am also bichileal. Beans, no beans, chicken, just go nuts. If it warms my chest in the winter, it's welcome.
PurpleAriadne@reddit
Someone from Minnesota or somewhere mid-west tried to serve beef stew with green beans in it. Yuck!
HereForTheBoos1013@reddit
Minnesota cuisine is to the US what English cuisine is to Europe.
PurpleAriadne@reddit
I would agree!
cucumberswithanxiety@reddit
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Kool_McKool@reddit
It isn't even that. Italian Bolognese is much different compared to the U.S. version. Chili without beans is more akin to spiced tomato soup.
EcstasyCalculus@reddit
Actually, many Texans will tell you that chili should have no beans and no tomatoes, in which case it's not like bolognese
phonemannn@reddit
Bolognese often doesnāt have tomatoes either!
DOMSdeluise@reddit
Bolognese?????
cucumberswithanxiety@reddit
Meat sauce? Since itās basically just meat and tomatoes
Caelarch@reddit
Bolognese is actually a milk sauce.
BodyofGrist@reddit
It includes milk, but Iād hardly call it a milk based sauce.
Caelarch@reddit
Sure, I totally agree it's a meat based sauce. I was thinking more that the ingredient that really sets real ragu bolognese apart from "meat and tomato spaghetti sauce" is the milk. That's why I called it a "milk sauce" in this context (and not a milk based sauce).
DOMSdeluise@reddit
Chili should get color and flavoring from chili peppers, which is why it's called chili
SadLocal8314@reddit
Thank you. Cattle were introduced to the Americas in the latter half of the 16th century. It may be that the dish that became Chili started with goat or sheep, but it certainly had beans. Without beans, it's stew. Nothing wrong with stew, but with chili, beans are needed.
BlowFish-w-o-Hootie@reddit
You don't know how to make bolognese.
gravyisjazzy@reddit
With beans vs with noodles vs with both vs without both will battle on until the end of time.
But with both is correct
OodalollyOodalolly@reddit
Itās two different things, really
mmmmpork@reddit
I'm 100% convinced that "chili" is just the Texas word for "stew"
Stew means whatever the fuck I have lying around, and that may or may not include beans.
mkgrant213@reddit
This rivalry made it all the way into a scene on the show Yellowstone lol
SonoftheSouth93@reddit
No beans
SheToldMe@reddit
Where I grew up, it's chili with macaroni noodles or without macaroni noodles!
I grew up with them, but when I moved away, I found out what proper chili is and now I am team noodles do not belong in chili.
Zorgsmom@reddit
I grew up poor. My mom always made chili with noodles, probably to stretch it out more.
Mueryk@reddit
Cincinnati?
No-Conversation1940@reddit
Wisconsin, in my experience. Macaroni noodles mixed in with what most of the country considers chili.
SheToldMe@reddit
Wisconsin is correct!
DokterZ@reddit
We had that too, basically chili soup. Iām not hating on it because it was meant to be a simple cheap meal, and noodles, celery, and tomato soup with a pound of hamburger are certainly cheaper than all meat.
As a random aside, I am not a big user of organic produce other than what I grow, but organic celery is way better taste wise.
Mueryk@reddit
Ah, I was thinking Skyline on noodles. Makes sense though.
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
No beans ftw!
MillieBirdie@reddit
Chilli with no beans is only good for a hot dog.
Battery6512@reddit
I donāt like kidney beans but felt like chili without beans was missing something so I started using Bishās baked beans and found the perfect combo
And big chunks of bratwurst in addition yo ground beed
nborders@reddit
Chili with no beans over pasta. Souther Illinois is the only place I know where this came from.
bisexualleftist97@reddit
I think it depends on how you use it. If itās just a topping, like on a chili cheese dog, no beans. Served by itself, yes beans
OverCommunity3994@reddit
Pueblo vs. Hatch: The Great Chile War.
The debate doesnāt have as much steam as bbq or pizza though. Itās more obscure to those outside of the region
maw_walker42@reddit
Barbecue. I am not āstand my groundā on any style because I am an equal opportunity barbecue eater š Some I have not had and I can say I am not a fan of vinegar based bbq sauces.
CPolland12@reddit
BBQ, Chili, Mexican
I just realized Texas likes to be in a fight š
Dissapointingdong@reddit
Tex-Mex is objectively such a bummer itās not even a competition.
Maquina_en_Londres@reddit
Texas loves three things more than anything, food, football, and starting fights about how great we are when nobody fucking asked or frankly cares.Ā
Miss yāall š„
redwoods81@reddit
Lol nothing like committing treason in defense of slavery twiceš¬
Rollingprobablecause@reddit
*Tex-Mex vs San Diego. San Diego wins though lol.
Empty_Dance_3148@reddit
Chili is our official state dish, therefore surrender is forbidden.
BohemianJack@reddit
Nah beans are fine in chili. Itās a dumb debate, lol.
CPolland12@reddit
Beans are ok in chili, but it makes a variant. It most definitely is not Texas Chili
BohemianJack@reddit
Yeah Iāll concede to that, fair point.
From my research, it seems that the āno beanā rule came from chili competitions in Texas.
But beans and chili are a good pair. For example, the Chili Queens used to serve chili con carne, but they served it with a side of beans too.
sultrie@reddit
It actually comes from mexico. where chili is not made with beans and is instead made to go ontop of enchiladas. beans are always a side with the rice
PresidentBaileyb@reddit
Texas tacos, California burritos.
Any day, any time.
CPolland12@reddit
Breakfast tacos š¤¤
mostie2016@reddit
Itās our whole identity lol.
ViolentAversion@reddit
And losing them!! Remember the Alamo!
Pkrudeboy@reddit
And the Confederacy. Texas is really bad at picking fights.
Marlbey@reddit
I was going to say BBQ. There are strongly held opinions on which is the best, but the most passionate I've seen is North Carolina v. everyone else.
SonoftheSouth93@reddit
From what Iāve been told, the real fight there is between Eastern NC (what youāre thinking of) and Western NC.
SKULLDIVERGURL@reddit
I am going to say potato salad. German, NY, Red, Southern. Give a southerner New York style potato salad and they will probably gag.
Dissapointingdong@reddit
No one ever means German potato salad when talking about potato salad. Thatās a whole other dish.
FuckTheLonghorns@reddit
Shoutout Russian style (Moscow potato salad) as well
cellrdoor2@reddit
Is this the same as Olivye? I married into a Russian family and was very disappointed in their version of potato salad. It looks like it would be delicious but is so bland! The cut up hotdogs are kind of gross to me too. I was raised on potato salad that had yellow mustard and dill pickle brine added to the dressing, with plenty of paprika on top.
FuckTheLonghorns@reddit
It should taste more dilly, with the vegetables coming through to support but contrast the eggy mayonnaise mixture. I've always loved it, maybe they just don't make very good Olivye yeah
Shoot, add more dill or even pickle brine and even toss on some paprika. It'd be delicious. I've done that, I've also added curry powder to potato salad before and it was awesome
cellrdoor2@reddit
I can only imagine the tidal wave of passive aggressiveness I would unleash by suggesting my MILās olivye just isnāt very good!
FuckTheLonghorns@reddit
š«” perhaps try making it yourself or ask for the recipe because you want to make it at home lol
fairelf@reddit
I live in NY and have no clue what NY style potato salad is supposed to be.
Thtguy1289_NY@reddit
You know the potato salad that you get in the little cup when they ask "potato, macaroni, or Cole slaw" when you order a sandwich?
SassyMoron@reddit
Fourth generation native New Yorker here. What's "NY potato salad"?
Thtguy1289_NY@reddit
Think the kind you get in a little cup when you get a hero and they ask "potato, macaroni, or Cole slaw"
SKULLDIVERGURL@reddit
NY style potato salad is very white; made with just mayo I believe. Southern style is yellow and has mustard and mayo and boiled eggs.
SassyMoron@reddit
Huh. If it was just white I would call that "Costco potato salad" and probably wouldn't eat it. My dad made hot German potato salad and the stuff from the deli is usually red skin potatoes with mayo, mustard and scallions.
Bridey93@reddit
Respect for mentioning German potato salad. I don't care for any of them but that recipe being present at any family get together is the hill my family will die on.
AHorseNamedPhil@reddit
German potato salad is the best potato salad
EK60@reddit
Kartoffelsalat>>>>>>Any American tater salad
Annual_Strategy_6206@reddit
Not better than my Mom's!
alphawolf29@reddit
props to kartoffelsalat being the only one that won't give you diabetes.
ImaginationNo5381@reddit
Do t forget the Puerto Rican potato salad, and picnic potato salad (aka 3 potato)
Striking_Computer834@reddit
Give a southerner anything without a half-cup of sugar in it and they'll probably gag.
biddily@reddit
I prefer Italian potato salad.
I don't like mayo.
PlantedinCA@reddit
Lots of German ones are mayo free too
mailbroad@reddit
Yes!
SKULLDIVERGURL@reddit
I am not familiar With Italian potato salad but I bet it is good. I donāt like mayo either. š¤®
PossibilityOrganic12@reddit
What's a NY style potato salad? I cannot stand a German potato salad, personally.
raindorpsonroses@reddit
Hop boy and and donāt forget Hawaiiās potato salad that is almost as much mayo as potato and with an equal part of macaroni
civodar@reddit
Whatās the difference?
Marcudemus@reddit
Meanwhile I'm just happy to eat all the potato salads, lol.
nonstopflux@reddit
I have a hard time at the deli counter when they have multiple options.
pondman11@reddit
Thereās a Lebanese restaurant in my town that has awesome potato salad. V diff from other Iāve had and didnāt like
AvonMustang@reddit
As long as it doesn't have relish in it!
Trick-Caterpillar299@reddit
I'm from the deep south and I HATE potato salad down here.
JDmead32@reddit
The big argument in my region comes between the hot dog places; Pottās vs Yaccoās.
asexualrhino@reddit
The most "authentic" Mexican food:
California vs Texas.
bytheninedivines@reddit
And in reality it's been Arizona the entire time
Exciting_East9678@reddit
Let the haters downvote, but AZ will just continue to quietly have the best Mexican food in the country thank you very much.
ksay9104@reddit
{{ virtual high five }}
FastAndForgetful@reddit
Real Mexican food starts in El Paso and gets consistently worse the farther you go. You can measure how far you are from El Paso by how bad the enchiladas get.
505backup_1@reddit
This is your take as a New Mexican? Santa Fe, Taos, or Burque clears El Paso in my opinion
FastAndForgetful@reddit
When you go north, the flavor gets bland and they make it hot to make up for it. No thanks
505backup_1@reddit
Sure all up in Colorado, but not still in New Mexico
kisolo1972@reddit
Cheese whiz or provolone on a Philly cheesesteak. This argument will get someone stabbed.
Provolone please, and it better be sharp!
Dirtbagdownhill@reddit
From this thread I have learned green bell peppers and canned cheese isn't all Philly cheese steaks and now I wonder if they are good?
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
Who uses Cheese Whiz??
BohemianJack@reddit
People with good tastes. Cheese wiz on a cheesesteak is perplexingly delicious
MonsieurRuffles@reddit
Cooper Sharp enters the chat.
kisolo1972@reddit
In Philly there are 3 main cheeses that are used. Sharp provolone, Cooper sharp(a kind of cheddar), and cheese whiz(from the jar not the can). There is debate on which one was the original but it is generally whiz or provolone that are considered the original. There are those who are so die hard that I am not joking when I say it could get someone stabbed. My preferred steak is with grilled onions and mushrooms and sometimes bell peppers with provolone and this last one would get me beat...ketchup. But I was raised a bit farther south than Philly (think Amish country) so hopefully I can be forgiven.
MonsieurRuffles@reddit
Cheesesteak places in Philly typically offer regular provolone, rather than sharp. Sharp provolone is more commonly an option for the superior Philly sandwich, the roast pork.
kisolo1972@reddit
The few times I've been to Philly I got Cheesesteak. Once was whizš«, and once was provolone š. I was told it was sharp and it had a distinct flavor so I believe it. I never got to Try cooper, I only know it by reputation. And, alas, I have not had the pork sandwich and probably never will since I'm out in the Midwest now.
kisolo1972@reddit
Cooper is good but I'm going for provolone if I can. Keep the whiz though, not for me.
jasondoooo@reddit
Marylanders mostly just get confused or disappointed when crab cakes or shrimp arenāt prepared with steam and Old Bay/JO Spice. Weāll eat shrimp and crab other ways, but weāre not really convinced anything else is better.
We also prefer Ocean Fries as a style of French fries.
And Utz potato chips are best. Thereās 4-5 flavors that can be served at any party. Theyāre not fancy, but simple and good. Thin without too much crunch.
Hoosiertolian@reddit
Who invented the Cuban sandwich? Tampa or Miami?
Maynard078@reddit
Mark.
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
For some reason, it was decided that green bell peppers belong on a cheesesteak everywhere outside Philadelphia.
myevillaugh@reddit
Sure, but Philly insists on using Cheese Wiz instead of real cheese.
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
Not really.
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
Wait, people in Philadelphia don't eat it like that? What's the story?
saydaddy91@reddit
Most cheesesteak places in Philly have peppers but you have to specifically ask for them. Usually itās just meat cheese and onions
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
Even so, nobody is requesting raw/grilled green peppers on a steak. Sweet peppers, hot peppers, long hots, yes.
Moweezy6@reddit
Itās funny bc I grew up going to DE all the time where you get sweet peppers on them but theyāre impossible to find at steak shops unless itās a true specialty place.
Thtguy1289_NY@reddit
DE?
CatPsychological557@reddit
That sounds glorious. Where I live, everyone tries to put mushrooms on there too and I hate it.
KevrobLurker@reddit
Can you get the meat w/o onions?
r/onionhate
PossibilityOrganic12@reddit
Yea you order it by saying which cheese you prefer followed by "without."
Ex: "whiz without"
My preference is "provolone, wit'"
Whiz is depressingly the most popular, American and Cooper Sharp are also popular choices for cheese. Provolone is acceptable but people shit on it as an option.
abbydabbydo@reddit
This warms my heart. I have never been to Philadelphia, so canāt claim any knowledge on authenticity but I truly despise green peppers on a cheesesteak. Any, really, but green especially.
Nunya13@reddit
Iām the same way. I've been able to develop a taste for almost everything i grew up hating, even mushrooms, but I cannot tolerate green peppers. I can do yellow, orange, and red. Green can fuck off.
abbydabbydo@reddit
I can eat them, but yeah! Fuck right off, green peppers!
BohemianJack@reddit
And not just any cheese but cheese wiz. And an amoroso roll
shelwood46@reddit
Right, they have the peppers because peppers & onions with Italian sausage is standard, but it doesn't belong on cheesesteak.
TucsonTacos@reddit
Itās too spicy for people in Philadelphia?
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
Funny that you say that, because hot peppers and long hots are actually common toppings on a cheesesteak. Maybe that's how the rest of the country got confused. I really have no idea. It's weird how like every single cheesesteak posted in /r/food has green peppers on them. And even chain restaurants that serve them as well.
LuawATCS@reddit
One steak, wit wiz = Cheesesteak made with onions and cheese wiz, the only acceptable variation is "witout" and "provolone"
Ununhexium1999@reddit
Id rather be shot in the gut than use provolone
American or cooper sharp are both better
LuawATCS@reddit
Well, Pat's using provolone is why it's acceptable and could still be what I consider a Philadelphia style cheesesteak.
If I was just making me a cheesy steak sandwich, I'd use a mixture of sharp cheddar and blue cheese, topped with onions, mushrooms and sport peppers. But I daren't call that a "Philly Cheesesteak"/"Philadelphia Style Cheesesteak"
Ununhexium1999@reddit
I really donāt think that Pats and Genos should be the authority on what constitutes a true Philly cheesesteak
SadLocal8314@reddit
Pat's and Geno's are for:
People who can walk there.
Tourists.
The utterly smash at 3AM.
Kensington checking in. The roll is everything! I had to move back to Philadelphia because 41 years ago, you could not get a good steak roll in the Midwest. And I tried. My sources tell me the situation has not improved. D'Nics, Tony Lukes, or Primo's are my choices.
That-Grape-5491@reddit
If you are in KC, Grinders in the Crossroads flys Amarosa rolls in to use with their cheesesteaks.
SadLocal8314@reddit
I was living in St Louis 40 years ago. Unfortunately, no one was flying Amarosa then...so I moved back to Philly. To be fair, it wasn't just no rolls - the threat of tornados and the New Madrid fault system had a great deal to do with the choice.
big_sugi@reddit
Theyāre not authorities, but youāre going to have a hard time arguing that theyāre not authentic.
timothythefirst@reddit
I know all the local people talk shit about them, but when I was in Philly for an event I went there and it was good as fuck lol. Went to a few other places too that were all good.
I could understand if people just donāt like the touristy vibe, the line outside was super long when I was there, but I get the impression everyone just hates on them because theyāre the popular place for tourists and not because the food is bad in any way lol.
People do that everywhere though. Detroit has two Coney Islands right next door to each other downtown that are the really famous ones all the tourists go to, and all the locals say the one in their neighborhood is the best, but theyāre all good lol.
throwaway__9999999@reddit
Pats is fine. I canāt say Iāve ever had a good steak from Genoās though. I think they get hate because cheesesteak tend to be a very localized thing. To this day my favorite cheesesteak is the one from the corner store across from my apartment. Traveling for one and going way out your way is not what people who live in the city do.
nomuggle@reddit
Pat invented the cheesesteak, so the shop may be a tourist trap, but give them credit where credit is due.
Ununhexium1999@reddit
You can invent something but that doesnāt mean itās the best way to do it up
LuawATCS@reddit
Considering that Pat's is the originator of the cheesesteak, I think they do get a say.
I'm not saying that American or cooper sharp isn't better, the melt of American cheese pairs better honestly.
cohrt@reddit
American cheese is garbage. It shouldnāt be used on anything.
Ununhexium1999@reddit
American cheese is really good for stuff that needs to melt fast like a smash burger or a grilled cheese
ImpendingSenseOfDoom@reddit
Not it matters because no one really talks like that anymore, but itās actually āwiz wit,ā not āwit wiz.ā Wit is referring to with or without onions
LuawATCS@reddit
Pat's actually wants the "wit" or "wit-out" first.
So yeah, probably true at 99.99% spots.
ImpendingSenseOfDoom@reddit
Thatās so weird, I never knew that. Granted Iāve only been to Patās drunk in the middle of the night lol. But yeah mostly everyone I know says the phrase wiz wit even like as a joke.
LuawATCS@reddit
Honestly, 3am is the only time to get Pat's. Any other time it's over ran with out of towners (like me).
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
Not being a dick but this is exactly what a tourist would say. Wiz is not nearly as popular as people think. If you just ask for a cheesesteak, 90% of the time you're getting American cheese. Yes, provolone is popular too. Cooper sharp too if they have it. Fried onions though are definitely the most popular addition. Mushrooms too. Then there's also the existence of the cheesesteak hoagie.
larch303@reddit
Wiz wit makes no sense
And yall did use wiz until like 10 years ago when artificial cheese became less cool
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
It makes sense, it's just not something commonly ordered besides by tourists. I like whiz but not normally on a cheesesteak. Also, it must be actual Kraft Cheez Whiz. Plenty of places peddle the fake shit and it tastes infinitely worse. I've been eating cheesesteaks for over 30 years and whiz has never been super popular.
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
What's a cheese steak hoagie?
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
It's basically like a cheesesteak except with mayo, lettuce, and tomato. Maybe also sweet/hot peppers.
LuawATCS@reddit
Fair
nomuggle@reddit
Green Bell Peppers are not spicy.
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
Do some people actually find them spicy? That's insane š
nomuggle@reddit
I donāt think so.
TucsonTacos@reddit
Yes my username would imply Iām opposed to anything spicy
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
Green peppers have literally 0 capsaicin.
TucsonTacos@reddit
That was the joke
Argosnautics@reddit
The Cheese Whiz variety is stupid.
Jaded_Guarantee_2513@reddit
They eat Italian peppers. I bet those were hard to get in the heartland 60 years ago when cheese steaks got popular
jeanpeaches@reddit
Long hots
nomuggle@reddit
A true Philly cheesesteak is cheese (Wiz or Cooper Sharp), thinly sliced ribeye and a good (Amoroso) roll. Fried onions are optional. Anything else and itās no longer a Philly cheesesteak, itās just a cheesesteak.
ElectricTomatoMan@reddit
Can I have white American?
nomuggle@reddit
Cooper Sharp is white American.
ElectricTomatoMan@reddit
Oh! Didn't know that. Now I need a cheesesteak.
pour_decisions89@reddit
Fried onions may be options, but no they're not.
MonsieurRuffles@reddit
True, I donāt understand the āwit outā crowd.
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
I agree they're kind of integral. But if somebody has an aversion, I wouldn't bat an eye.
ThatAndANickel@reddit
I didn't know about the fried onions. I am just realizing how empty my sham of a life has been.
How are the onions prepared (other than fried obviously)? Like the onions on a Thanksgiving green bean casserole?
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
Nah, just grilled right on the grill along with the meat. I guess technically they're grilled onions but I'm pretty sure everyone calls them fried onions.
ThatAndANickel@reddit
Gotcha. If you ever find yourself in Oklahoma, try a fried onion burger. It will be right up your alley.
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
Oh yeah, I think I've seen those before on YouTube as well. They do look good.
nomuggle@reddit
True, I always get them on mine.
MonsieurRuffles@reddit
Prefer a Sarconeās or Liscioās roll - Amoroso are too soft and turn to much easily.
ImprovedSilence@reddit
prov is OG and ill die on that hill!
Squippyfood@reddit
I used to think this but the thing is, provolone, at least the mild types you'll find at cheese steak places, is pretty damn tasteless. It's really just there for the chewy string pull texture. Wiz has a great salty flavor and gives each bite a gooey, velvety texture but it also tastes very artificial and chemical-y.
At home I use a 50/50 mix of American and prov for best results. Cooper Sharp is basically this but perfected.
nomuggle@reddit
Yes, Provolone is acceptable as well (since it was the first cheese used in a cheesesteak!)
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
Again, except American and provolone are far more popular than both of those cheeses.
Cruickshark@reddit
lol. you just invalidated any opinion you might spew out of your mouth. you do not know this topic obviously, move on
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
?
Cruickshark@reddit
I'm not a tourist and you have 0 idea what you are talking about
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
If you say so.
larch303@reddit
But less authentic
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
No, American cheese is literally the default cheese you get.
Cruickshark@reddit
no it's not. wiz is the the default and standard. it's a variation for the others
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
No? I've ordered and eaten hundreds of cheesesteaks from many places. I never specify the cheese and I always get American.
nomuggle@reddit
Cooper Sharp is American Cheese.
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
True, but it's a specific name brand.
adincha@reddit
For what it's worth, cooper sharp is American cheese
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
True, but it is more a specialty cheese over regular American.
EcstasyCalculus@reddit
What about provolone?
nomuggle@reddit
Yes, Provolone is acceptable as well (since it was the first cheese used in a cheesesteak!)
EcstasyCalculus@reddit
That's what I thought. I love a good cheesesteak but I'd much rather it be with real cheese, not the fake stuff.
GeorgePosada@reddit
Peppers are still common in Philly but they are not considered an integral component to the same extent onions are
calicoskiies@reddit
No. Itās the shaved meat & cheese on an amoroso roll. A lot of people will get grilled onions as well. Some will add sweet peppers. Iāve liererally never been to a place thatās even offered bell peppers. Itās never made correctly outside of the city or its immediate areas.
Nexus6Leon@reddit
Never understood this. The place I go to in Brooklyn has a sign that says "we don't have green peppers, they don't go on a Philly". Its a greats sandwich. It does not benefit from peppers in any way.
Thtguy1289_NY@reddit
I need to know what place this is so I can go
MonsieurRuffles@reddit
If only they didnāt call it a Philly, itās just a cheesesteak.
Nexus6Leon@reddit
Well, I don't live in Philly, so it can't be completely correct.
kmoney1206@reddit
wait, what do you put on it IN Philadelphia?
AHorseNamedPhil@reddit
If peppers go on a cheesesteak at all they're hot peppers. That is optional though. I imagine that was that origin of green peppers though, something probably lost in translation outside of Philly. Green peppers are reserved for Italian/hot sausage sandwiches here.
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
The most common is just fried (grilled) onions but it's not like other additions and variations are unheard of. Like mushrooms, or a pizza steak, or buffalo chicken steak, or cheesesteak hoagie. I was just commenting on how the plain old green pepper thing is just weird because that's not common at all here.
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
They don't add peppers in Michigan (unless you order that way), but you can get hot pepper relish as a condiment a lot of places. That's good! Our rolls are clearly inferior to Philly though.
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
That I can see kind of working.
Ceorl_Lounge@reddit
They're really tasty, didn't offend my Pennsylvanian sensibilities one bit.
larch303@reddit
Maybe thatās because Hot Pepper Relish is Pennsylvanian
Substantial-Bet-3876@reddit
Giardiniera on a cheesesteak. I call it The Phi-Chi
abbydabbydo@reddit
A lot of Michigan folk come from Pennsylvania Dutch, makes sense.
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
Hot pepper jelly is great too.
BALLSonBACKWARDS@reddit
Honestly tho hot pepper relish should be a condiment available everywhere on virtually everything.
Yosemite_Yam@reddit
Hot pepper relish is an option at most places in Philadelphia. More commonly used on hoagies but itās acceptable on a cheesesteak
RainOnYurParade@reddit
Commenting on What are the strongest regional food rivalries or preferences in how a dish is prepared in the United States?...donkeys place over in nj makes amazing steaks on a Kaiser roll with hot relish. They are really good sandwiches.
Peacefulmama@reddit
I live a hour and a half from Philly and our rolls are inferior. Philly knows rolls.
jeanpeaches@reddit
Chopped ribeye, cooper sharp, fried onions, seeded amoroso roll and long hots. Anything else can fuck off. And so can ketchup.
PossibilityOrganic12@reddit
Nope no seeded roll is holding my cheese steak. Though I think that's how Angelo's serve it? I refuse to wait in line for an hour to try it though.
DEFALTJ2C@reddit
This irks me so much. I'm not from Philly, but I've always hated green bell peppers.
NotAlwaysGifs@reddit
And then Lancaster, which is nearly a Philly suburb at this point, decides to put red sauce on themā¦
beautifulxomind@reddit
You're definitely right, a Philly cheesesteak is a PHILLY cheesesteak, but I tried it with mushrooms once and refuse to have one any other way now.
mahrog123@reddit
Here in MN itās like that.
Just try and tell someone that green peppers-and often Swiss(!) - do NOT constitute cheesesteak. People get downright hostile insisting they do.
Whatās worse is most restaurants use sliced, precooked chemical-laden deli roast beef to make them. š¤® Donāt even get me started on the breadā¦.
dersnappychicken@reddit
If itās called a āPhillyā Cheesesteak, theyāre doing it wrong. Itās just a cheesesteak.
squarerootofapplepie@reddit
Around here itās called a steak bomb or a steak and cheese.
TheDreadPirateJeff@reddit
Where is āaround hereā? I used to travel to the Boston area for work and two of my favorite things to get were steak bombs, and a super beef with hots.
Fuck I miss those super beefs.
TiredPistachio@reddit
New England. Steak bomb is a cheese steak with grilled peppers onions and mushrooms. Some places around me will chop up pepperoni or salami and cook that in with the beef. Amazing. Haven't had one in years and I think I just gained weight thinking about them while I typed this up
TheDreadPirateJeff@reddit
Yeah. Like I said, one of my two favorites. Every time Iād visit the Boston area there was this little dive near our old office in Lexington that made a giant steak bomb that was packed full of deliciousness. Loved that place. Cash only, you had to order through a window, no seating it was carry out only. Loved that place.
And a couple places that had the best roast beef sandwiches. Ugh that is what I miss about the frequent trips to that region. Even more than the lobster rolls.
PutEmOnTheTable@reddit
And those people everywhere else would be wrong.
Hour-Watch8988@reddit
Fun fact: Green bell peppers are just regular other bell peppers (red, yellow, orange) that haven't yet been able to avoid being washed through Satan's anus
Joey_Brakishwater@reddit
I always find the cheesesteak discourse the funniest because no one here actually cares what you put on it. One of my favorite cheesesteaks is a Tikka Masala cheesesteak, which uses exactly one ingredient from a normal cheesesteak: a roll.
mijoelgato@reddit
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Gilamunsta@reddit
True, but it's soooo tasty ...
LadyOfTheNutTree@reddit
Once again, Philadelphia is wrong
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
I mean you can like them all you want but I don't understand why everywhere else, that became the "Philly" cheesesteak norm.
emptybagofdicks@reddit
Here in Washington State the standard only has onions, but there is usually an option with bell peppers and jalapenos.
maceilean@reddit
The only place for green bell peppers is back on the bush where it can mature into the much better tasting red bell pepper.
ksay9104@reddit
Omg at first I read that as cheesecake and I was like wth??
TsundereLoliDragon@reddit
Wawa has a cheesecake smoothie and I always call it a cheesesteak smoothie.
calicoskiies@reddit
A lot of things apparently belong on a cheesesteak outside of Philly.
Sarcastic_Rocket@reddit
Does the cole effect the flavor ?
thatsad_guy@reddit
And it's delicious
SilentRaindrops@reddit
Clam chowder - Manhattan vs New England styles.
Dazzling-Climate-318@reddit
None where I live, we eat it all.
D-Rich-88@reddit
Mexican food from Northern CA, Southern CA, and TX
young_trash3@reddit
Interesting, I was gonna say Socal Mexican vs tex-mex. Wasn't aware norcal even prided themselves on Mexican food, much less thought they had a rivalry with us over quality of Mexican food.
ViewAshamed2689@reddit
Norcal should be replaced w arizona
RioTheLeoo@reddit
Yea I donāt think NorCal is in the running here at all. Like theyāre good for fine dining and an assortment of Asian and Middle Eastern foods, but thatās it.
I really think SoCal easily clears everyone else in the Mexican category
PresidentBaileyb@reddit
Iād argue Texas wins the Mexican food fight over California hands down, but I guess thatās why itās a rivalry!
You guys have better burritos, but you just canāt compete with our barbacoa
Ironwarsmith@reddit
I moved to Colorado a few months ago and fuck do I miss barbacoa. It was kind of hard to find even in Texas at times, but it's just gone so far as I've been able to determine.
D-Rich-88@reddit
Oof, good luck. I lived in CO for a few years and it was a process to find decent Mexican food.
Ironwarsmith@reddit
Oh, I love it here too. I have almost no regrets moving away from Texas, but lack of Mexican food is one, even if it's a very small regret.
LuckyAd7034@reddit
Do they have Mexican grocery stores there? Like a Ranch Market or something? Because if you, you go there and you try to find the abuela in the parking lot selling tamales out of her trunk....those are the best ones!
Ironwarsmith@reddit
Not that I've seen so far. I'm not a huge tamale fan though.
Maquina_en_Londres@reddit
LA, the RGV, and Hidalgo are the three centers of Mexican Barbacoa. I highly recommend trying all threeĀ
PresidentBaileyb@reddit
LA as in Los Angeles? I have had a fair amount of barbacoa there
koreamax@reddit
El Farolito is still my favorite Mexican place outside of Mexico
tambor333@reddit
Red iguana in SLC. There mole negro is unreal.
jbcsee@reddit
I'm sorry, but the mission burrito is the best type of burrito anywhere in the US.
Otherwise, when it comes to all other Mexican food, it's not in the running.
Hour-Watch8988@reddit
The Mission burrito is really not that different from what you can get by the zillions in Los Angeles. It may have originated in San Francisco (and I bet it actually came from the Central Valley), but Los Angeles with its twenty gazillion Chicanos are gonna pick up any Mexican food style and elevate it real damn quick.
RioTheLeoo@reddit
Iāve been to the Bay like four times this year alone, and still have yet to try it. Iām probably going again for New Years and will 100% give it a go this time š
jeffbell@reddit
El Faralito. Cash Only.Ā
frieswelldone@reddit
Yes, when I want to ruin my burrito by overstuffing it with carbs I know the mission burrito is the best.
Hour-Watch8988@reddit
New Mexican isn't exactly Mexican but if you consider it to be, then California needs to watch the fuck out. California has better diversity of produce but New Mexico has longstanding food cultures going back thousands of years.
NeverRarelySometimes@reddit
Mission burritos are pretty hard to beat.
Other than that, So Cal everyday and always.
sultrie@reddit
Tex mex and mexican food are different. The dispute is socal mexican food vs texas mexican food. not texas tex mex.
young_trash3@reddit
Maybe to Texans. In Socal nobody takes anything from Texas besides tex-mex seriously, and would not view it as a rival to our Mexican food.
sultrie@reddit
this is my point. Yall think all our mexican food is tex mex ans its not. There is a difference in the cuisines lol. Yall think irs ānot a discussionā because yall cant grasp that we have BOTH tex mex AND mexican food. they arent the same at all
young_trash3@reddit
Lol, no we grasp that Mexican food exists in all 50 states. Just because it's there doesn't mean it's worth discussing. Texas Mexican food isn't seen as a rival because we don't think it exists, it's not seen as a rival because it's not special unique or good enough to warrant the thought. So the comparison made in CA is to tex-Mex, because that's the unique and good thing Texas does. You can get okay Mexican food in every state near the border, nobody is disagreeing with that.
But knowing it exists, and viewing it as a rival to our local cuisine are not the same thing by any means.
sultrie@reddit
Ah so its pure ego on your part to think the state that has more mexicans than your state isnt going to have āuniqueā mexican food. ā ļø Ignorance is crazy youre right its not a rival yall just got michoacanas and mexican grocery stores and yall put crema on carnitas ans french fries in burritos. Its just trash
Prodigal_Flatlander@reddit
Just my experience, but I think it mostly stems from people who grew up in SoCal (specifically San Diego), moving to or visiting NorCal and saying the Mexican food in NorCal is not as good or not as authentic as it is down south. But I think it's just because the Mexican food up north is just different than it is down south, so they're not used to it. I think many Mexican immigrants up north (especially in the Central Valley) are from Jalisco and surrounding states, and they obviously bring their tastes and recipes with them. And that area has a different cuisine than Baja California and Sonora, which I think people in SoCal are more used to. But that's all just my guess.
2donuts4elephants@reddit
It might just be because i'm a gringo, but I live in NorCal and have had Mexican food in NorCal, SoCal, Arizona and Texas, and I really could barely tell the difference between any of them. And I know this is Anecdotal, but the guy who owns the Taco truck that I frequent is from Jalisco. So maybe you are correct about it just being different regional flavors of Mexican food.
Ironwarsmith@reddit
Most of the Mexican joints near where I grew up in Texas were all listed as Jalisco style and were very heavy on meat and light on veggies. This held true for most other Mexican joints I've been to around the country that slap Jalisco somewhere and they're all pretty comparable in most ways.
Honestly, the biggest difference I've noticed is in the quality of the salsa, and I'm pretty sure that's directly related to the availability of fresh ingredients. All the best salsas were in Texas and California, with Missouri, Colorado, Massachusetts all being vastly inferior and basically tomato juice.
505backup_1@reddit
Always sleeping on New Mexico. Got arguably the most unique style of the southwest and by far the best salsa. I'm biased but New Mexico is always getting forgotten
Ironwarsmith@reddit
I've never had Mexican food from NM and also never heard of it in any other state. I don't know what to tell you.
appleparkfive@reddit
New Mexico breakfast burrito is like a top 10 food for me probably
PlantedinCA@reddit
Exactly that. We love to flatten all the regional variations of Mexican food.
rawchess@reddit
Socal is traditional Mexican tacos vs KBBQ tacos
Hour-Watch8988@reddit
The Southwest to NorCal (regarding Mexican food): "I don't think about you at all."
Fahernheit98@reddit
Agriculture is huge in NorCal. Look to of migrant workers.Ā
OodalollyOodalolly@reddit
Donāt forget New Mexican (from New Mexico lol) itās a whole other thing too
young_trash3@reddit
Thats one of those one sided rivalries. New Mexican food is great, been through the region many times had many great meals. But I don't think Socal really views anything other than Texas as on the same level to consider a food rival. Not sure how Texans feel on it tho.
D-Rich-88@reddit
A mission burrito is better than a California burrito. I think thatās where the NorCal Mexican food claim comes from, although technically burritos are not Mexican.
hartemis@reddit
I hope Californians one day learn that Texas has mexican food in addition to tex-mex.
dgmilo8085@reddit
Northern CA doesnāt have Mexican food. Itās the equivalent of having ketchup & noodles and calling it spaghetti.
D-Rich-88@reddit
Okay by Northern I mean SF
dgmilo8085@reddit
By Northern CA, I mean north of Santa Ynez.
D-Rich-88@reddit
lol okay then your statement is hilariously bad
dgmilo8085@reddit
I am sorry you enjoy bad Mexican food. But to each is own.
D-Rich-88@reddit
French fries in burritos is a San Diego thing
dgmilo8085@reddit
Actually, it originated in San Francisco. NorCal does fusion influenced mexican food with a lot of asian influence and are burrito heavy. French fries in burritos. Fruit salsa. Burritos aren't Mexican.
SoCal is for tacos and traditional and authentic foods like pozole and tamales. We use a wide array of veggies and seafood, with stuff like ceviche and fish tacos with a shitload of salsas from smoky chipotle to tomatillo.
SoCal: Mexican, NorCal: Vietnamese/Chinese fusion-style
D-Rich-88@reddit
nice try
dgmilo8085@reddit
The Mission burrito precedes the "California" burrito by about 30 years.
D-Rich-88@reddit
Right. so I donāt know what youāre getting at? French fries in burritos came from San Diego. Proper burritos came from SF
dgmilo8085@reddit
The Mission Burrito is when they started putting random shit in tortillas.
D-Rich-88@reddit
You changed your claim
dgmilo8085@reddit
In what sense? Burritos and, subsequently, french fries within them are from the mission district in San Francisco, and neither of them is Mexican food.
D-Rich-88@reddit
No, fries in burritos are a uniquely SoCal thing. Yes burritos originate from SF, but a style of burrito created and popular in San Diego makes the CA burrito yalls thing.
If youād be honest about that Iād cede to you that my argument was more a debate about who has the best burritos rather than the best Mexican food. But you keep making your ridiculous claim
dgmilo8085@reddit
I have only ever had french fries in a burrito in NorCal.
D-Rich-88@reddit
And I have proven to you that they are a creation and a staple of SoCal
dgmilo8085@reddit
You sent a blog article. Shit Wikipedia even says they originated in SF
D-Rich-88@reddit
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burrito
Look again. In the Regional Varieties section it has a subheader of San Diego and lists the CA burrito in the first line.
DETRITUS_TROLL@reddit
And then there's New Mexican food. Which is its own thing, really.
And green chili is a touchy subject.
Kool_McKool@reddit
It isn't a touchy subject. You just put it on everything.
DETRITUS_TROLL@reddit
I was thinking of the āwho has better green chili, New Mexico or Colorado?ā thing.
Kool_McKool@reddit
That isn't touchy either. We have better green chile.
Hour-Watch8988@reddit
It's green chilE. Go back to Texas!
/s
DETRITUS_TROLL@reddit
Would you believe I had chili on the brain because of this post?
D-Rich-88@reddit
Green Chili is good!
Is it āMexicanā food? Ehhhā¦ lol
Hour-Watch8988@reddit
Green chile is the king of foods, absolutely undefeated
DETRITUS_TROLL@reddit
Not Mexican, NEW Mexican.
D-Rich-88@reddit
Trueee
OodalollyOodalolly@reddit
New Mexican also has all the sopaipillas. Man those are good. They serve them savory where the other regions would serve a tortilla. But they also serve them as a dessert with honey and they are ere rolling good
Hour-Watch8988@reddit
Clover honey >>>>>>>
hazmatt24@reddit
Tex-mex is an abomination and not real Mexican food.
RioTheLeoo@reddit
I donāt like Tex-Mex nearly as much as SoCal Mexican food, but like it literally originated from when Texas was still part of Mexico. Like you canāt say itās not real Mexican food
chrispg26@reddit
But as it is known today was when the gringos got to it. Yellow cheese and chunky cold salsa is not the vibe.
As a Mexican, I prefer Cali Mex even though I'm Texan. It feels purer. Also, Chicago has better Mexican food than Tex Mex.
LonelyWord7673@reddit
Tex mex is delicious and obviously not the same as Mexican food. Hence being called something different.
ColossusOfChoads@reddit
It's its own thing. Nobody ever refers to cucina piemontese as 'fake French food', do they?
Ah geez, you people got me defending Tex Mex now!
D-Rich-88@reddit
Thank you, I wholeheartedly agree
Repemptionhappens@reddit
Wish I could give you an award. Tex mex is disgusting. Right along with liquid diabetes aka sweet tea.
ValkoSipuliSuola@reddit
Themās fightinā words!
ksay9104@reddit
Amen to that!
jdaygo@reddit
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jeffbell@reddit
For some reason a āCalifornia Burritoā is a weird San Diego thing where they put fries in the burrito.Ā
D-Rich-88@reddit
Yeah, Iām not really a fan.
Odd-Local9893@reddit
Never heard of Northern CA Mexican food.
However New Mexican beats all of them.
OodalollyOodalolly@reddit
I would say the biggest difference from So cal Mex is that New Mex is way more wet with more sauce and Tex Mex has way more yellow cheese all over everything. So cal mex is mostly lime juice, cilantro onion- not so saucy
pghhilton@reddit
I lived in Santa Rosa, California for about a year. Right outside my apartment was a taco stand. It was very authentic and I enjoyed stopping there all the time on my days off for tacos.
But in the mornings I would stop there and get huevos rancheros. Theirs was eggs stewed a tomato based sauce with green chilies, jalapenos and refried beans. All piled high over spicy rice on a big burrito that was hot and crispy. Oh my God that was awesome!
Marlbey@reddit
Came here to say that my New Mexico auntie has very strong opinions on the uselessness of TexMex and Cali-Mex.
PS: Her red chile is the best I've ever had.
Odd-Local9893@reddit
Yup. I think I would die without proper green and red chile. We do green chile pretty well in Colorado, but Iāve never had better Mexican food in my life than in Santa Fe.
Pearsecco@reddit
*New Mexican food
Its_Friday_Again@reddit
Southern California has the best Mexican food. I don't mind Texmex but I see it as Texmex, not Mexican food. I would not have Mexican food up north.
wildtech@reddit
New Mexican food vs. TexMex vs. Sonoran
laceybug03@reddit
This. So cal has a Baja California influence. No beans and rice in the burrito and good carne asada is to die for.
D-Rich-88@reddit
See and thatās where the debate lies. I think beans and rice absolutely should be inside the burrito, Mission style.
Shot-Artichoke-4106@reddit
I was thinking more specifically about burritos, but yeah - Mexican food in general. Lots and lots of debates over that. My opinion is that more field research is ALWAYS needed :-)
Mrs_Weaver@reddit
New England vs Manhattan clam chowder.
Cheap_Coffee@reddit
Manhattan clam chowder vs. New England clam chowder.
As a born-and-bread New Englander I can tell you that the only authentic clam chowder is the New England variety. Manhattan clam chowder is a tomato-y abomination.
Jets237@reddit
I was born in NYC and NE clam chowder has always been seen as better. This feels like a New England only rivalry...
The better rivalry around NE seafoof is the CT Lobster roll (hot with butter) vs the Maine lobster roll (bullshit cold salad slathered in mayo)
big_sugi@reddit
What about calamari? Rhode Island has a distinctive challenger.
the_real_zombie_woof@reddit
We also have the RI chowder. Clear. Never had it and don't plan to.
hivemind_MVGC@reddit
Deep-fried rubber bands.
squarerootofapplepie@reddit
Iāve done a taste test comparing fresh vs frozen and frozen eliminates some of the rubbery texture.
Jets237@reddit
oooo I'm not sure if I know the difference to be honest? What's their view on banana peppers?
big_sugi@reddit
They batter and deep-fry the calamari, then toss it with warm garlic butter and sliced pickled hot cherry peppers (and sometimes sliced banana peppers) just before serving. I think thereās traditionally no marinara for dipping, but Iāve seen it come with marinara outside of Rhode Island.
Jets237@reddit
I'll have to search a place out next time we're passing through - Thanks!
alligator124@reddit
I always see this descriptor (slathered in mayo) for ME style lobster rolls and I wanna ask, where the heck are you getting them from? It shouldnāt be like that!
Itās def not a salad- that sounds like a grocery store version of a ME lobster roll. No celery, no onion. Iād hate it too if it was doused in mayo.
It should be on a butter toasted bun, with big pieces of lobster just barely held together with a dab of mayo. A squeeze of lemon, sometimes a little chopped chives are both acceptable. A lead of lettuce is debatable.
That plus a bag of fox farm chips by the beach is a perfect summer dinner to me (but rare, lobster rolls are expensive lol).
Jets237@reddit
It was a bit tongue in cheek but yes, the good places give you a nice NE style toasted roll and big chunks of claw meat with a little mayo.
I lived in Boston/Allston/Brookline for a decade and my wife's from the cape - so we're there about 10 times a year visiting the inlaws and friends. I've had my experience of great to... looks like its from a gas station.
My beach meal of choice is a nice cup of chowder (I prefer thinner on the beach) and a linguica roll - which is hard to find off cape.
Or fried scallops... mmmmm (but thats more of a once in a while)
madogvelkor@reddit
Butter is better for lobster. But a cold seafood salad with a mix of stuff is really good.
jhumph88@reddit
I am totally team Maine, but theyāre both delicious. Something about a cold lobster roll by the ocean on a hot summer day is just perfect
PresidentBaileyb@reddit
Absolutely
Impossible_Memory_65@reddit
Don't forget about RI (clear)clam chowder!.... in second thought , yes , definitely forget about it. It is the worst , and I say that as a Rhode Islander.
koreamax@reddit
Does Manhattan Clam Chowder even exist? I live in Nyc and have never seen it
Jecter@reddit
Many years ago, when NYC had a fishing industry
squarerootofapplepie@reddit
It was actually invented in RI.
Jecter@reddit
That's a different style
squarerootofapplepie@reddit
RI had two styles.
Jecter@reddit
Again, its different.
Lothar_Ecklord@reddit
The shellfish may yet return, but will probably be nowhere near the historic levels in my lifetime. Pearl Street is so named because (as I am sure you know) it used to be the shoreline, and there were so many oysters, it was said to be paved with pearls. Oyster Bay, Long Island is one of the few towns on Long Island that covers North Shore and South Shore, and it was named because its waters were once bubbling with the things... No longer, but life is coming back!
Jecter@reddit
This is all true, but thanks for bringing it up. For everyone else, there's currently several projects to reintroduce clam, oyster, etc. populations in the region, and they seem to be doing good work.
ImpendingSenseOfDoom@reddit
I always had it at the lobster roll in Amagansett every summer a long time ago. Thatās where I grew to love it. But come to think of it, I canāt remember ever actually having or even seeing one in Manhattan.
SkyerKayJay1958@reddit
Its really popular in Seattle at Ivars. Very good
Too_Many_Alts@reddit
dead rivalry, Manhattan lost a long time ago
fairelf@reddit
How about RI style? Just broth, with neither cream nor tomatoes.
Firebird22x@reddit
I don't even know if it's a rivalry, I've never met a person that preferred Manhattan
FionaGoodeEnough@reddit
Iāve never even had the opportunity to try Manhattan clam chowder. Iāve never seen it anywhere.
taoimean@reddit
I tried it for the first time on a Carnival cruise earlier this year. No clue if it's actually available in or near Manhattan, but honestly I thought it was great.
PossibilityOrganic12@reddit
I've only ever seen Campbell's canned Manhattan Clam Chowder. Never seen it on a menu.
GetOffMyLawn1729@reddit
you moved to RI and you can't even put in a word for the RI version (no tomatoes, no cream)? My wife is from Narraganset and won't touch the clam chowder up here on the North Shore.
Firebird22x@reddit
Hah honestly I havenāt tried it. I know it exists, but Iāve never really heard anyone thatās tried it ever say anything about it.
Even most menus, if they have soup, New England is almost always there, many French onions and broccoli cheddar, occasionally tomato. Manhattan is spotty, Rhode Island is rare.
If they have a section for just āchowderā New England is there 100% of the time, manhattan a good 60-70% and even lobster bisque makes the cut. But I can maybe count a handful Iāve been to that specifically call out āwhite, red, or clearā
NeverRarelySometimes@reddit
If you have celiac disease, you can only eat soup made without wheat flour. Most Manhattan chowders fit that bill. (And, a lot of times, they're a lot more flavorful, but we'll be quiet about that part.)
cece1978@reddit
Hi, itās me, Iām the problem, itās me. š¤
DEFALTJ2C@reddit
Manhattan CC lover š¤ Manhattan CC lover
DEFALTJ2C@reddit
Nice to meet you.
I was born in Boston, and have countless family in Massachusetts. I side with Boston in regards to everything Boston versus New York related..
EXCEPT for when it comes to clam chowder.
MajorUpbeat3122@reddit
I prefer Manhattan! Iām allergic to shellfish though so fat lot of good that does me ā¦
DefrockedWizard1@reddit
I did before seafood allergy
HalloweenLover@reddit
I tried it once, I didn't know anything about it back then and I felt so betrayed.
vonsnootingham@reddit
Raises hand. I prefer the thinner, tomato-based broth to the thick, cream-based chowder. If we're being real, Manhattan isn't even really a chowder, since it's not thick or creamy. I recognize that. That's not to say I dislike NE chowder. I've eaten way more of it in my time than Manhattan. I just like the lighter soup, especially as I get older and my tummy gets more sensitive.
cece1978@reddit
Mmmā¦i think of it as seafood gravy, and still eat it like soup. šš¤¤
Firebird22x@reddit
Oh yeah I feel that. Cream based is getting harder and harder to digest for me as well. Maybe I should give Manhattan another try
Lothar_Ecklord@reddit
This rivalry makes me chuckle because no one even cares to mention Rhode Island style (clam juice is used to make a clear broth for the Rhode Island Clam Chowder. New England supremacy.
HarryHatesSalmon@reddit
Ummm I mentioned it and clear is the best!!
yesIknowthenavybases@reddit
Minorcan clam chowder folks just kicked back in Florida enjoying their spicy chowder in peace
harpejjist@reddit
But if you are lactose intolerant it is a godsend
Visible-Shop-1061@reddit
There's also Rhode Island clam chowder with clear broth, which is good if you don't want thick milk soup.
Abaraji@reddit
That's not a chowder, no matter how many times they try to call it that.
revanisthesith@reddit
I agree. "Chowder" implies something with some body to it.
Similarly, I've had the misfortune to run into "chili" that was thin and watery. Those are two of the worst words that could describe chili.
StuckInWarshington@reddit
This is one of those things Iāve heard of on the internet, but Iām not convinced is real. New England clam chowder is clam chowder.
nonstopflux@reddit
Manhattan is objectively garbage.
Signed- literally everyone (probably most New Yorkers, even.)
daffodil0127@reddit
Thereās also Rhode Island style clam chowder. It has clear broth and no cream but itās quite good. Manhattan clam chowder is garbage.
pondman11@reddit
What about NC Down East clam chowder?
https://localsseafood.com/blog/down-east-clam-chowder-recipe/
trampolinebears@reddit
You ask me, this just sounds like Boston looking for a fight.
I'm from New York and in my 40-odd years on this earth I've never even seen this "Manhattan clam chowder". There's just one kind of clam chowder, the New England kind. You guys invented it, everyone loves it, there is no competition.
Streamjumper@reddit
New England Clam Chowder is the 2nd or 3rd most popular soup in the entire country, and Manhattan/Rhode Island are barely known, but the rivalry isn't about supremacy. Its about stomping out heresy.
trampolinebears@reddit
Yeah, but itās a fictional heresy. Itās like worrying about rabies being transmitted by jackalopes ā no one wants your fictional āManhattan clam chowderā anywhere. Thereās only kind of clam chowder and we all love it.
TheyMakeMeWearPants@reddit
I've seen it on menus. I'm disappointed when it's an option and NE is not. It's definitely rare though.
SquashDue502@reddit
Tf is a tomato doing in clam chowder
toldimold58@reddit
Manhattan clam chowder is the devil!
RedditSkippy@reddit
Rhode Island is also out there claiming a clear broth āchowder.ā So strange.
Sallyfifth@reddit
I feel like there was a really entertaining thread about chowder on this very website...
Pinwurm@reddit
The funny thing about Manhattan Clam Chowder is that it was invented in New England.
The recipeās from ethnic-Portuguese fisherman (that lived in Rhode Island and South Shore Massachusetts) - who travelled back and forth to NYCās fish markets.
Itās not meant to be a competitor to NE Clam Chowder. Theyāre just entirely different things, for different seasons and different palettes.
Prior_Lobster_5240@reddit
My first experience with clam chowder was a soup shop in Boston when I was about 10 years old. My family was visiting from Texas
It was the most amazing soup I've ever had and no clam chowder from chain restaurants or southern states has held a candle to it
I'm almost 40 and still mourn the fact that I can't get a good bowl of soup anywhere
Jecter@reddit
This stopped being popular once NYC ran out of clams.
TheyMakeMeWearPants@reddit
This is one area you're not going to get a ton of argument from the NY side.
LadyOfTheNutTree@reddit
I donāt think this is a debate? Nobody actually pushes manhattan clam chowder do they??
SkiMonkey98@reddit
Manhattan clam chowder is a perfectly fine soup. But it's not chowder at all
LanceSniper@reddit
I'm sorry, Seattle salmon chowder is the best chowder.
CadetLink@reddit
These fools don't know the exquisite flavor of Ivar's Salmon Chowder. It needs to be eaten fully overcast, on the way to a weekend market, with your polycule. The Seattle Way.
QuietObserver75@reddit
New England lost the great chowder wars of 76, you need to get over it.
Ununhexium1999@reddit
Manhattan clam chowder is fine but itās just not chowder
ktn24@reddit
Manhattan clam chowder is not fine, it's a fucking abomination.
the_real_zombie_woof@reddit
Clam chowder. NE vs NY vs RI. Hands down NE is the winner.
FairyGodmothersUnion@reddit
Corn bread, north (yellow and sweet) vs. south (white and not sweet).
Bright_Ices@reddit
Iām surprised this isnāt a more common answer. Iāve never heard people fight over any food as much as cornbread.Ā
garden_dragonfly@reddit
I've never even heard of white corn bread. I've lived in the north and south.Ā
This argument must be in the minds of those weirdos eating white corn breadĀ
Bright_Ices@reddit
The very vocal arguments focus on sweet and cakey versus unsweetened and crumbly.Ā
Iād call white cornbread a subset of southern cornbread. It has its defenders, but itās not the exclusive choice in the south, by any means.Ā
Hereās a recipe if you want to try it:Ā https://www.billyparisi.com/classic-southern-cornbread-recipe/
Mama2bebes@reddit
Exactly. I make cornbread when I make chili or any kind of beans or lentils. I use minimal sugar. I don't usually eat cornbread by itself. I live in Georgia, and the cornbread sold in restaurants looks, tastes, and feels like cake. Just call that stuff cake then.
Zhong_Ping@reddit
Aint nothing wrong with that.
But there's one thing, no matter what a stripper tells you...
MaxTheFalcon@reddit
I donāt think Iāve ever had white unsweet cornbread tbh
Arcangelathanos@reddit
I think it's more of an Appalachian thing, not Southern thing.
maxman1313@reddit
Where in Appalachia? I've only ever seen yellow and sweet.
Arcangelathanos@reddit
Kentucky, SWVA, NE Tennessee. I have friends and in-laws from that neck of the woods and they routinely make comments about "corn cake" if they eat the corn bread in Central Virginia.
maxman1313@reddit
Huh? In NC North of Asheville, I've never seen it.
Arcangelathanos@reddit
Now that you're questioning it, I'm not sure I've ever paid for unsweet cornbread. I think I've only been served it by folks either from there or when I'm visiting. To be fair, they don't care if they're buying yellow or white cornmeal when they make it. There just better not be any sugar in it.
Both-Yak-5745@reddit
My family all live in kentucky and i moved to north ga 5 years ago and ive never heard of this ever. Gonna chalk this up to the ppl you know being weird about cornbread lol
Arcangelathanos@reddit
Google it. You'll find plenty of folks talking about it. Apparently, it has to do with poverty/cost of sugar so I guess congratulations that your family has always been able to afford sugar? I'd never heard about it either when I was growing up. Plenty of sugar around in this here parts.
Both-Yak-5745@reddit
That kind of explains it. Sugar is pretty cheap now, so I assume this is a thing from kind of a long time ago.
Arcangelathanos@reddit
Yeah, it's a cultural remnant of forced circumstances.
Both-Yak-5745@reddit
In the mountains of GA rn and have also never seen or heard of unsweet white cornbread even once in my whole life lol
maxman1313@reddit
As someone from the south I've only ever had yellow and sweet.
sponge_welder@reddit
In a similar vein, dressing vs stuffing
Hoosiertolian@reddit
Pizza- NY vs Chicago
Nameless_American@reddit
Itās probably BBQ to be honest.
Pizza quality is also a perpetual circle-jerk between the highly specific regions that have strong pizza culture as well (e.g. NJ, CT, NY, Chicago, Detroit).
jortsnacroptop@reddit
Why did you mention New Jersey and Connecticut before NY, Chicago, and Detroit? I grew up near Chicago so I'm biased, but what is it about New Jersey or Connecticut pizza that is different than New York pizza?
To me, NJ and CT are just suburbs of NYC, and their culture would generally match NYC.
A pizza place in New Jersey makes New York pizza. A pizza place in Connecticut also makes New York pizza.
Same for Chicago. A pizza place in Milwaukee or South Bend is going to make Chicago style pizza.
HarryHatesSalmon@reddit
NO. New Haven pizza is NOT New York pizza.
jortsnacroptop@reddit
I was unaware of Connecticut pizza
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lesbian__overlord@reddit
from an NJ native, connecticut style pizza is different. look up new haven pizza. new jersey does make new york style pizza, though (and we don't do it as good as NYC, but our bagels are better).
Accomplished-Ruin742@reddit
Clam chowder, New England vs. Manhattan
RoutineSea4564@reddit
Also chili
AnalogNightsFM@reddit
Thereās a small rivalry between New Orleans Gumbo and Gumbo in the Acadiana region of Louisiana. Acadians (shortened to Cajuns) refuse to use tomatoes and okra in their Gumbo. It doesnāt belong there.
357Magnum@reddit
I came here for the "cajun vs. creole" debate. I wouldn't even call it a small rivalry. As a New Orlenean that has lived in Baton Rouge for 20 years now, it can get pretty heated, though most of it I think is the Cajun Acadiana reason hating on New Orleans.
Cajuns will absolutely say things like "disgusting New Orleans gumbo with tomatoes in it" and stuff like that, but honestly, while tomatoes are technically traditional in Creole gumbo, I still think it isn't that common to see them in there these days. Honestly even though I grew up with New Orleans style cuisine, I still rarely saw tomatoes in gumbo. Gumbo varies a lot from place to place, but also household to household. The only thing any of us like more than gumbo is arguing about gumbo.
Quiet_Marsupial510@reddit
One thing I think Cajuns and Creoles can agree on isā¦ you do not boil seafood with fucking Old Bay. If the heat doesnāt make you question where you are life, are you really even cooking?
GeneralLoofah@reddit
My family is from Baton Rouge, and they will fight you if you make gumbo with tomatoes. Itās pretty heated. I also think itās a race coded thing too even if itās subtle.
garaks_tailor@reddit
Uncles wife is Cajun from the deep bayou and they will fight each other about every Lousianian food there is. It's actually fucking really annoying..
I will die on the hill that Conecuh Sausage is the best all purpose link sausage
alligator124@reddit
Iām a northerner who spent about a decade in the south, some of it on the gulf coast. Iāll sing the praises of conecuh sausage to whoever will listen.
I miss it terribly!
Welpe@reddit
Huh, looking it up it does seem to be the case, but ultimately itās cultural not strictly racial. Though how it shakes out with āCajun=white Creole=black*ā does make it so and I wonder if some of the intensity of the argument is due to that.
Tomatoes in Gumbo I guess has become a cultural signifier and by doing it (or professing your hate for it) you are signaling to other people what culture you are representing. Since Iāve never been to Louisiana, I have no idea how tense the Cajun vs Creole stuff is personally.
Low-Progress-2166@reddit
Just as big as tomato vs non tomato gumbo is the definition of Creole. The word has different meanings. It founded the city in that Creole meant French or Spanish nationals living in New Orleans. The old line Creole restaurants are not in black origin or existence but of French influence. Today, the word rallies around people of black/white heritage from a long line of families. Now itās way more complicated than Iāve made it sound but remember, there are some descendants of Creole nationals that use tomatoes in gumbo and some donāt and there are some Creoles of black/white heritage use tomatoes in gumbo and some donāt.
UniBlak@reddit
In modern times, there really is no difference between Cajun or creole. Itās just a way of saying black or white now, I believe itās actually the only French word to describe someone that hasnāt been considered a slur in the modern era.
cafffaro@reddit
Yeah in all my many visits to NO Iāve never once been served gumbo with tomatoes. Iāve seen it many many times outside of Louisiana though.
Low-Cat4360@reddit
Both Creoles and Cajuns need to unite to fight the common enemy: Mississippians putting corn in gumbo
garaks_tailor@reddit
I'm in New Mexico. I'm from Mississippi. NM has the Blandest fucking Tamales I've ever had. Like salted dough and meat is it. Lousiana and Mississippi can both unite over our Vastly superior tamales.
Low-Cat4360@reddit
My boyfriend is from Michoacan, MX and I've been trying to get him to eat Mississippi tamales for a year now. I KNOW it's not the same as Mexican tamales, but it's not Mexican tamales, it's Mississippi tamales and they are also delicious. They deserve sooo much more love and attention than they get. I never knew how hyper regional they were until recently
garaks_tailor@reddit
I joke I've only had good tamales 3 times in New Mexico and all three were cooked by people from Lousiana and Mississippi.
I've had pretty good tamales from Mexico but I don't know what style they were.
New Mexican tamales like a lot of NM food is kind of bland and relies on green or red chili sauce for the flavor.
I described putting stuff in the massa like onions, peppers, corn, and spices and blew people's minds.
TigerDude33@reddit
What is this heresy?
garaks_tailor@reddit
Looks you straight in the eye as I add sweet peas
Exciting-Half3577@reddit
Bllleeeecchhhhhhh......
rawchess@reddit
Brother eughhh
Aggressive-Pilot6781@reddit
Same with jambalaya. New Orleans has a wet jambalaya with tomatoes in it. The civilized world has a dryer jambalaya with no tomatoes
357Magnum@reddit
Yeah, but again, growing up in the New Orleans area myself, I still found tomatoes in gumbo and jambalaya not to be the norm. Maybe traditionally people used to do it, but by the time I was growing up in the NOLA (and I was born in 86), the cajun style seemed to predominate even in the new orleans area.
Aggressive-Pilot6781@reddit
Itās still pretty common in Jambalaya though
InvincibleChutzpah@reddit
I'm currently working on a construction project with a large Cajun crew. They insult each other by saying "You probably put tomatoes in your gumbo." when someone is being stupid.
357Magnum@reddit
Yep, it is real.
Don't get them started on jambalaya.
InvincibleChutzpah@reddit
I don't like tomatoes in my gumbo. However, I firmly believe there should be okra in it. I keep my mouth shut around their food arguments. I lived in Louisiana as a kid, but my parents are from the midwest, my opinion doesn't matter. Honestly, though. Both Cajun and Creole food is delicious. Just before Thanksgiving, a PM from New Orleans hosted a crawfish boil and he put lemon halves in it. The guys are STILL talking about how weird he is and that he ruined the crawfish. Meanwhile, I'm just happy that I got crawfish in November.
357Magnum@reddit
I too am an okra guy. It actually pisses me off that okra has become so uncommon and that so many people think it doesn't belong in gumbo these days when the word gumbo comes from the angolan word for okra in the first place
Gilamunsta@reddit
Meh, I make both, lol
357Magnum@reddit
Give it that Utah Jazz? Lol
Gilamunsta@reddit
Lol, no, which one I make depends on the mood I'm in and whether or not I remembered to order filĆ© š
laughingintothevoid@reddit
I've lived in New Orleans for over a decade and I don't know where this gumbo with tomatoes is though. Maybe it used to be more popular but has been shamed out of existence?
I have genuinely only heard of gumbo with tomatoes being in New Orleans from people, primarily online, apoplectically raging about it.
I am (now) aware some recipes for it exist out there and it is made that way in bad "New Orleans/Louisiana style" restaurants in other places, and some people say it's Creole gumbo instead of Cajun gumbo.
But hand to pete, never saw it in the city living real life, as a newcomer trying various restaurants etc, and have worked in the food industry almost my entire time here.
Was primarily exposed to this apparently piping hot topic on the New Orleans reddit, and had no clue about it before. Have asked OG local service industry career coworkers (not Cajun people, just saying the kind of people who have witnessed what is served in New Orleans over many years including the landscape, not just stuff at their own jobs) and gotten the same nonplussed response. š¤·š»āāļø
Rice vs potato salad and okra v no okra, and to a less heated extent chicken & sausage v seafood, all real gumbo debates intertwined with Cajun vs Creole, Cajun vs poser Cajun, and as someone else said race coded food discussions I have seen. The tomato thing seems to only exist as rage bait.
Rollingprobablecause@reddit
There's a lot of tomatoes in gumbo in NOLA, I've had it plenty of times! It's just a matter of taste. some restaurants are creole and others are cajun.
laughingintothevoid@reddit
Out of curiosity, can you name the restaurants if you recall? That's what I'm saying- I understand the background you just explained to me and that it would be a matter of taste lol- but it just isn't commonly served in the city as far as I am aware.
So it's funny that people are still mad about it (in the fun foodie debate way) and say it's this thing New Orleans does as opposed to the rest of the state.
I don't pretend to know about every single place, but in my 10+ year experience working in New Orleans restaurants, I have not seen gumbo with tomatoes served. I was not commenting personally against it, I was just saying I keep hearing people talk about it and don't know where it is.
Rollingprobablecause@reddit
Yeah, Arnauds for sure I know. RR's used to, there was also a small place I used to eat at when we were in teh garden district.
I think a lot of people mistakenly think that these gumbos have chunks of tomato in them and that's not really the case. A lot of people who make the old recipe either blend it or cut them so small you don't notice. The one at Arnauds for example, they smoke tomatoes and then blend them and mix it in - it's actually really good. I can't remember if they do that for the seafood one or the chicken one though.
I will say, I mostly see tomatoes in NOLA in the seafood gumbos.
Otherwise it's pretty rare, I think you tend to find way more tomatoes in other dishes though for distinction - ĆtouffĆ©e, jambalaya, etc. are very noticeable in NOLA vs Lafayette for example.
rectalhorror@reddit
Maybe they're getting shrimp creole mixed up with gumbo? I grew up eating jambalaya as a baked dish, but the grocery stores are full of soups that say they're jambalaya.
laughingintothevoid@reddit
No, lots of people from New Orleans who definitely know what gumbo is complain that the city is full of inauthentic gumbo with tomatoes tricking tourists.
What I'm saying is I've never actually seen that gumbo around. It's a phenomenon kind of like when people say a really popular thing is underrated when it just isn't. They have some idea in their head about the situation that just isn't true. Gumbo with tomatoes which would be a Creole adaptation of a Cajun disn and it exists, it just isn't widely served and billed as Cajun in the city of New Orleans. I have to assume it used to be before my time, not that anyone completely made up this mini city v Cajun country culture war issue.
Magnaanimous@reddit
From New Orleans as well and have never seen Gumbo with tomatoes in the city or anywhere in Louisiana. The only time I've seen it was in a "cajun" restaurant in North Carolina.
That said, when you do run across it, it's immediately off-putting and just....wrong. count me in with the no-tomatoes in my Gumbo gang.
William_Redmond@reddit
I used to get dogmatic about the seafood vs chicken debate because I lived right on the coast and easy access to seafood. I moved to the Upper Midwest and thereās no way Iām going to put seafood in my gumbo here. Iāve leaned into making chicken and sausage and even better post-Thanksgiving turkey & sausage versions.
AnalogNightsFM@reddit
I couldnāt care less, to be honest. Iām not entirely sure why you thought it warranted a diatribe. Iāve since immigrated to another country and I donāt think about New Orleans. I donāt think youād find anyone who genuinely cares about tomatoes in gumbo. Itās just a small rivalry, after all.
laughingintothevoid@reddit
Not a diatribe, I'm not upset at all. Especially at you lol. Sorry to, idk, scare you. I'm not personally invested either, it's just an interesting cultural conversation. I think it's kinda fun. The big vocabulary words were supposed to be mildly comedic exactly in that small rivalry sense, but it was also not that considered. I am autistic, I think was mirroring word choice I think people use in these discussions in good fun and I was not thinking about it that hard, but I guess I did it wrong since you really responded to me differently than all the other commenters, especially now switching to claiming to not care about New Orleans after previously being happy to engage and educate people. Wow, I really fucked up the subject for you I guess.
I was not emotional or genuinely concerned about anything.
Peace. Enjoy your new life lol.
AnalogNightsFM@reddit
Well, I donāt want to bear your issues. Have a a nice day.
tu-vens-tu-vens@reddit
The real answer is, of course, okra but no tomatoes.
Antique-Zebra-2161@reddit
Lol my stepmom is Cajun, and that's not a "small disagreement" š¤£š¤£š¤£
iaminabox@reddit
To me, for some reason, if it doesn't have okra, it's not gumbo. I honestly don't use okra for anything else, but I love it.
Rollingprobablecause@reddit
One of my favorite debates of all time lol.
We all agree that North Louisiana sucks though hahaha
AnalogNightsFM@reddit
I donāt even know whatās up there. I believe they filmed the documentary Land of the Lost with Will Ferrell in north Louisiana.
Your_Worship@reddit
The Cajuns are correct, imho.
TryAnotherNamePlease@reddit
My family has been in South Louisiana since the great upheaval. Every one of my ancestors would rise from the grave is I put tomatoes in my gumbo.
Pandaburn@reddit
Iām pretty sure the word āgumboā comes from a word for okra, so not using it is weird.
alkali112@reddit
There can be a middle ground. In my opinion, okra = good, tomato = psychopathy.
Old_Tea_9294@reddit
No, we don't refuse to put okra since gumbo means okra. We refuse to put whole barely cooked okra. We put okra that's smothered down.
Exciting-Half3577@reddit
I don't even like okra but can't imagine gumbo without okra.
Old_Tea_9294@reddit
It's the only way I eat okra
AnalogNightsFM@reddit
Gumbo comes from the Choctaw word Kombo which is the word they used for ground sassafras leaves, now called FilƩ.
SweetGoonerUSA@reddit
You can taste the difference though.
Publius_Romanus@reddit
Gumbo is named for okra. The Choctaw word is later borrowing: https://64parishes.org/choctaw-gumbo
AnalogNightsFM@reddit
I think you should read the entire article. It doesnāt support your claim that itās named for okra but rather borrowed from the Bantu word for okra, meaning the Choctaw changed the name for sassafras to kombo to better sell their sassafras leaves to a community family with the name gombo for stew. The word eventually became associated with stew, not that itās so named because of an ingredient.
pgm123@reddit
It's possibly a later borrowing or a false cognate.
eyetracker@reddit
That's much disputed, I don't think we will know where the name comes from or what ingredient.
VidaliaAmpersand@reddit
Did you just teach me where Cajun comes from?
Exciting-Half3577@reddit
There's even an epic poem!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangeline
AnalogNightsFM@reddit
Our ancestors were forcibly removed from the Acadian region of Canada, also called New France, by the British for not swearing an unconditional oath of loyalty to the crown during the Seven Yearsā War. Some historians have labeled it a crime against humanity. Their homes were given to British loyalists in Canada. They retained the name Acadian, but just shortened it to Cajun to reflect their accents.
StunGod@reddit
I had the best alligator ever at a Cajun restaurant in Montreal. Too long ago to remember the place, but it was magical.
dartmouth9@reddit
Acadian land in Nova Scotia was given to New England Planters. Loyalist came 20 years later, more predominantly in New Brunswick.
JasperStrat@reddit
Almost, the Acadians were originally French settlers from the Acadia region of Canada and were essentially exiled by the British and forcibly relocated to the Louisiana territory because it was a French territory. Which is why their version of French is so distant from Quebecoise French and even further from the version spoken in France.
big_sugi@reddit
That is the origin, yes.
Argosnautics@reddit
Mid Atlantic argues over steak n cheese subs
AWasrobbed@reddit
Calling it the acadians region is simultaneously esoteric and an incorrect descriptor. Amazing really, you tried to be smart but the opposite occurred.
AnalogNightsFM@reddit
I called it the Acadiana region, not the Acadians region. Reading isnāt as easy for some as it is for others. I think itās a testament to your own lack of intelligence.
AWasrobbed@reddit
Oh wow you edited it out, that's awesome hahaha.
AnalogNightsFM@reddit
I didnāt edit anything. You read it incorrectly and are blaming me for your own ineptitude.
AWasrobbed@reddit
Just say creole, ya fuckin dweeb. You know how you edited the comment to be true.
therealDrPraetorius@reddit
How about tomatoes in jambalaya?
Pristine_Dig_4374@reddit
Tomatoes should never be used. Almost died with some in crawfish ƩtouffƩe
smarterchild2000@reddit
Is the tomato debate a thing with jambalaya as well?
Brave_Mess_3155@reddit
I like em in jambalaya but not in gumbo
Dr_ChimRichalds@reddit
Very much so.
AnalogNightsFM@reddit
I had to ask AI. I didnāt know they put tomatoes in their jambalaya until today. I think they get a pass on that one since itās a New Orleans dish, I believe. In the Acadiana region, they donāt use tomatoes in that either though.
William_Redmond@reddit
Weird, Iāve made gumbo for 20 years and even gave a talk about the dish at my college and didnāt know about the tomato issue. The okra and potato salad issue I knew can get heated.
thedeepfake@reddit
Iām married into Baton Rouge and they get uppity about a lot of this stuff, but it works for me since I hate tomatoes anyway.
I just learned of the debate over pouring gumbo over rice, potatoe salad, or hard boiled eggs, that was new.
Quiet_Marsupial510@reddit
Hey Texas, gumbo is not red. Hey anyone who needs to hear this, gumbo must include okra.
Also, chili has beans in it. Get over it.
English_and_Thyme@reddit
My girlfriend was FLOORED when she first ordered Chicken and waffles in a PA Dutch family restaurant and is came with gravy instead of syrup lol
K4NNW@reddit
Sounds like the locals here at the fire department pancake supper who put gravy on their pancakes.
Rtn2NYC@reddit
wtf neither, the answer is honey
K4NNW@reddit
Sounds like Beasley's.
English_and_Thyme@reddit
All three are great (separately unless youāre trying to scare away a dinner guest)
beenoc@reddit
Huh. That's probably pretty good, but I've definitely never heard of it. Chicken and waffles can go sweet or it can go savory, I suppose gravy is the "going savory" option. I'm assuming brown gravy?
illyrianya@reddit
Itās shredded chicken in chicken gravy
OobyScoobyKenoobi@reddit
Bro who the hell would put brown gravy on chicken and waffles
PurpleAriadne@reddit
No way!! Sausage pork creamy gravy!
cowboy_dude_6@reddit
Iām a syrup guy, but I wouldnāt be too disappointed in a good creamy gravy. Brown gravy on a waffle, on the other hand, would make me gag.
PurpleAriadne@reddit
Yes! Brown gravy is only for mashed potatoes, poutine, or whatever that Hawaiian rice/egg breakfast dish is called.
Lauren_DTT@reddit
It's got to be country gravy
beenoc@reddit
Country gravy would definitely be better, but I'm not sure if that's a Pennsylvania Dutch thing, it always struck me as a more Southern (and if you go back far enough, Scottish/English-roots) thing.
pneumatichorseman@reddit
This is crazy to me:
https://www.reddit.com/r/tonightsdinner/s/EiZE6qwPQi
Suppafly@reddit
oh that's just weird.
PresidentBaileyb@reddit
I am floored right now as well
English_and_Thyme@reddit
Our primary objective here in Pennsylvania is to keep the rest of the nation guessing
beenoc@reddit
Oh what the fuck. That might be tasty, but it looks like a can of Campbell's chicken soup poured over some Eggo. Granted, reading the comments, that's literally what it is, so maybe not representative of the good stuff. Give me my fried chicken over a big Belgian waffle, with warm honey, any day.
English_and_Thyme@reddit
As a representative of Penns Woods I can tell you that the image on that post is most definitely a quick āgotta feed the kidsā sort of version of the dish. Good, but not as great as a good quality plate of chicken and waffles can be at a local diner
English_and_Thyme@reddit
Good question! One of the defining qualities of PA Dutch cuisine is mixing with early Anglo-American foodways so the country style gravy couuuuld be an English or Scottish influence, but maybe just as easily would be the product of using what the family has on hand at the farm. š¤·āāļø the dish is for sure PA Dutch, but I never thought about its origins before.
trampolinebears@reddit
I had the reverse experience: grew up with chicken and waffles, heard about how it was popular all over, ordered it at a restaurant and couldn't understand why it was whole pieces of fried chicken instead of stewed chicken in sauce.
Spirited_String_1205@reddit
Ha, same.
DefrockedWizard1@reddit
gravy on waffles is just as weird to me as syrup on chicken
jackneefus@reddit
After Thanksgiving, my father liked pancakes with turkey giblet gravy. Not too bad.
Kittenlovingsunshine@reddit
I love the gravy, the syrup doesnāt do it for me.
Suppafly@reddit
Honestly, it's best when you get both.
shelwood46@reddit
PA Dutch chicken & dumplings is also weird. Edible but weird, basically chicken noodle soup.
jeanpeaches@reddit
And chicken pot pie. Not a pie at all!
starrsuperfan@reddit
My very PA-Dutch grandma used to make chicken pot pie all the time. I remember seeing a KFC chicken pot pie for the first time, and thinking they were vastly mistaken.
English_and_Thyme@reddit
I loooove a good bowl of chicken and dumplings. You may have just decided tomorrow nights dinner
cheezburgerwalrus@reddit
That's pretty wild, it's probably good but if I want chicken and waffles it's gotta be syrup and hot sauce
scootervigilante@reddit
I was skeptical the first time a server suggested a side of buffalo sauce with my chicken and waffles but I tried it and I have never looked back.
cheezburgerwalrus@reddit
Oh yeah the hot sauce really helps. I usually go with Louisiana or similar style but buffalo sounds great too
Kineth@reddit
I was upset the first time someone put gravy there. Like, what the fuck are the waffles there for? Just give me biscuits if you're gonna insult me with gravy.
blurrysasquatch@reddit
I can There is a huge debate between Ohio with our local dish skyline chili (chili no beans with cinnamon over spaghetti) and the rest of the country on the definition of food.
blue_eyes2483@reddit
Even further in Cincinnati is the competition between all the chilli parlors. The main one being Skyline vs Gold Star.
SoftBoiledEgg_irl@reddit
I mean, Gold Star tastes like B.O. and has worse buns, so only a heathen would think it close.
Meanwhile, Dixie Chili folks are just happy to even be attending.
DefrockedWizard1@reddit
there's a third one, I want to say in Mt Washington? I've tried them when on the road, the differences are slight, all equally good.
BackgroundOk4938@reddit
Mt Washington Chili is the bomb. Been there forever. Old fashioned diner/ chili parlor.
BackgroundOk4938@reddit
Uh.....Camp Washington. Sorry. Brain Lesion.
blue_eyes2483@reddit
Thereās many local parlors, Pleasant Ridge, Blue Ash, Camp Washington, etc. Skyline and Gold Star are the big chains in town
BackgroundOk4938@reddit
Don't forget Dixie Chili
Lothar_Ecklord@reddit
I wouldn't say that's a bad thing... The competition for "Best New Haven Style Apizza" is primarily a competition between two shops that are a 3-minute walk apart, on the same side of the same street. Both are worth a trip to New Haven (more like a detour, as I wouldn't spend a long weekend there)!
In conversation, this is when every local proclaims their favorite, and it's usually between those two, Modern, and sometimes BAR. You can walk to all 4 in under an hour. Bonus: across the street from BAR is Louis' Lunch, which continues to sell the first and original American Hamburger and I believe also claims to be the originator of a specific type of steak sandwich (I can't remember what); it's also the oldest continuously operated restaurant in America!
helterskeltur@reddit
modern is always supreme. sallyās sauce tastes like spaghettios to me. itās too sweet
Grahamceackers@reddit
I miss Empress
ginger1009@reddit
Iāve never had Skyline Chili but maybe itās cause I live in Northeast Ohio.
runfayfun@reddit
Ohio's got enough diversity that you get a lot of unofficial state foods. Up in Cleveland, pierogies. In Cincinnati the hot brown and goetta are probably my votes. Columbus area, I'd say it's Johnny Marzetti or the fried bologna sandwich (G&R ftw).
As an Ohio native I never really bought into skyline chili as a state dish, and specifically as a southern Ohioan, so close to Cincinnati, skyline just wasn't a thing -- chili was kidney beans, diced tomatoes, and ground beef with chili powder, and spaghetti was ground sausage and Ragu (or Prego if it was on sale) over a 16 oz box of Barilla with country crock spread on white bread on the side.
Double-Bend-716@reddit
I donāt think Cincinnati can blame the hot brown.
Itās the Kentucky Hot Brown and it was first at the Brown Hotel in Louisville, Kentucky
Annual_Strategy_6206@reddit
As we gag "Hot brown WHAT?"
Double-Bend-716@reddit
Itās an open face sandwich.
Itās got bread on the bottom, roast turkey, grilled tomatoes, morney sauce, bacon, and melted cheese
runfayfun@reddit
For sure, but I'm not talking about these cities claiming to be the origin, just that these are high-popularity dishes, hence "unofficial" dishes of those cities. (For example, similarly, in no way can Cleveland "claim" pierogies but they are very popular there.)
BackgroundOk4938@reddit
Gotta geta Goetta
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
What's buckeyes?
French_Apple_Pie@reddit
Itās a sort of nut, and a cookie based on the nut, and the team mascot for THEEE Ohio State University.
KevrobLurker@reddit
The original state U of Ohio is over at Athens. š
French_Apple_Pie@reddit
Iām a Hoosier so I have to be petty in the few sad places I can, hence the obnoxious over-emphasis on the THE. š
KevrobLurker@reddit
Since OSU is junior to OU, I refer to the Columbus school as AN Ohio State University. š
When Chili John's was in Milwaukee, I had that a few times. Never 5-way, as I hate onions.
r/onionhate
I was more of a Real Chili guy. RC fans claim that place used spaghetti, first.
https://onmilwaukee.com/articles/realchiliprofile
I've taken to serving chili over rice in my kitchen.
French_Apple_Pie@reddit
I love it!! š
IceePirate1@reddit
You've clearly never heard of Columbus Tech or Norwood Community College (I went to U of Cincy lol)
AcidReign25@reddit
Technically is a tree that has a poisons nut. But there is also a chocolate and peanut butter treat that is made to look like a buckeye nut.
alecwal@reddit
Iām from Ohio and will say proudly that Skyline chili is an abomination and terrible for the stateās reputation. Disgusting.
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
Chili and spaghetti... what does that even taste like?
phonemannn@reddit
Without beans chili is essentially a bolognese with different spices which already goes with spaghetti, the cinnamon gives it a little something but isnāt too weird as other cultures use cinnamon in savory meals.
quixoft@reddit
It's not chili if it has beans in it. It's a stew.
It's against the rules to add beans in chili and you would be disqualified if you tried to compete in the CASI Terlingua International Chili Championship.
https://www.casichili.net/uploads/3/7/7/2/37727781/rules_2024-2027_r1.pdf
Rule 1, section A, item 2.
"2. NO FILLERS IN CHILI - Beans, macaroni, rice, hominy, or other similar ingredients are not permitted."
Annual_Strategy_6206@reddit
Well that's just....Texas competition chili. Which I make a v. Good version of, IMHO. I also make diner- style, with kidney or pinto beans. I also make a Caribbean style, with black beans, habanero, citrus, and some pork. All good. I don't f with spaghetti noodles, though.
quixoft@reddit
It's all just good fun. We like to argue with Kansas City, Alabama, and the Carolinas about BBQ just as much if not more. They are all different and all good. I love a good S. Carolina mustard sauce.
For chili I usually make ranch style or charro beans as a side dish if folks want to add it. Venison chili is my absolute favorite and I'm going to give your Cuban style a try too. That sounds damn good.
Annual_Strategy_6206@reddit
I agree. If you like pineapple on your poppin fresh dough ketchup pizza good for you! I did win a minor competition with my Texas style back in the day. Cubed chuck roast, not ground. Actually the cinnamon doesn't bother me. Last diner chili I made with lean ground beef, I added some cloves, allspice, a bit of chocolate powder, 1/2 of a dark beer, and some Worcestershire sauce. Not too much of any of those.Ā They give the gravy a dark, rich mysterious flavor, hearkening to mole, but not as strong.
redwoods81@reddit
That's gravy and you know it š¤·š»āāļø
phonemannn@reddit
I donāt recognize Texan authority over chili definitions
Bluewaffleamigo@reddit
Chili con carne - chili with meat.
frijoles is nowhere in the name :)
ForagerGrikk@reddit
Especially since it's ass backwards. Stew doesn't have beans. That would make it chili!
sodastraw@reddit
Chili does not have beans in it.
KarmicComic12334@reddit
Chli is cooked with both beans and onions.
sodastraw@reddit
Chili is the state dish of Texas and it doesnāt have beans in it. The Pecan tree is the state tree of Texas. Itās not pronounced pea can.
Bubba_Gump_Shrimp@reddit
Good for texas. Beans go in chili.
phonemannn@reddit
Chili isnāt chili without beans and canned peas from the state trees
KarmicComic12334@reddit
Chili has 5 ingredients meat, beans, tomato, onion, pepper
SUM_Poindexter@reddit
agreed
Saltpork545@reddit
This is ahistorical and a gatekeep done after the fact by Texans because most of the canned chili con carne that other regions had as their first chili experience in the early 1900s contained beans as it was cheap meat filler. It became a way for Texas to distinguish 'their' chili was different. That's it.
San Antonio chili queens had chili with beans, without beans and with beans on the side. Eat it how you like.
2ndharrybhole@reddit
False
adam2341@reddit
The family that owns gold star is Jordanian. I've read that there is a restaurant (possibly a small chain) that serves Cincinnati style chili (spaghetti and all) somewhere in Jordan.
IceePirate1@reddit
Truly the promised land
Oh107bibi@reddit
Bro, itās amazing. Iām Jordanian American, and when my family comes over from Zarqa, they love it. The original recipe came from some lebnani immigrants to Ohio back in the dayā¦..not as good as mansaf though, obviously (nothing is).
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
It's wonderful to hear that from someone in the diaspora! I'll try it out if I ever visit that part of America, thank you!
Oh107bibi@reddit
Not the best part to visit, but not the worst. I hope you can come one day! I hope to make it back to Jordan next head, inshallah
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
Ameen! You are always welcome at home, sadiq. Why is Ohio "not the best, not the worst"?
Stalebrownie76@reddit
Ohio (especially now) gets a bad rap for being boring. Itās a hilly state right in the middle of US. Not really close to anything that most would consider worthy of a holiday. Closest ocean beach is 8-10 hour drive. The closest ābigā city (Chicago) is 4-6 hour drive. Itās butted up to a couple different cultural diversities, Appalachian, southern, mid western, ect.
That being said thereās a lot of history and really cool scenery in Ohio. Specifically imo Cincinnati and Cleveland. Cincinnati has a huge German influence and a lot of inspiration from places like New York in terms of architecture. Incredible craft brewery scene, next to Kentucky and a lot of bourbon distilleries close by, big art scene with tons of murals, top rated zoo. Cincinnati has tons to offer. Itās a really cool city, and would have probably been a bigger staple in American history if infrastructure was done differently. It was a top 10 city in terms of population for most of the 1800s.
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
Thank you for letting me know about your home state! That does sound really interesting - however, I can't drink because of my religion.
Stalebrownie76@reddit
All good. Plenty of things out side of that.
TackYouCack@reddit
Any traditional Jordanian food we might not know about in the States?
Double-Bend-716@reddit
You can probably find it to try if you want.
Goldstar, the second biggest Cincinnati Chili chain, is owned by a Jordanian family.
They also own a chain of restaurants in Jordan called Chili House
ommnian@reddit
Awful.Ā
kmoney1206@reddit
the cinnamon is the weird part here
Prestigious_Field579@reddit
Chilletti if you will
AcidReign25@reddit
Itās awesome! You either love it or hate it.
koreamax@reddit
I always assumed it was similar to Jollibees' Spaghetti
BeerDreams@reddit
No - Jollibees is much sweeter
koreamax@reddit
In that case, I really want to try skyline chili now. Jollibees spaghetti is horrible
Saltpork545@reddit
The sauce is very different but the experience is much the same, just with different flavors and textures.
akamustacherides@reddit
You asked the right question, the answer is bliss. There is a restaurant called Steak n Shake that does a Chili Mac that is one of my favorite things in the world.
orange-peakoe@reddit
Itās great. Great Depression trick to stretch the meat. I was raised on it. Home made and at a restaurant. There are several restaurants and diners who have their own recipes. Everyone has a favorite.
mostie2016@reddit
My folks love it and they grew up in Indiana. They like regular traditional chili too. But itās more common to see them make Chili Macās over traditional chili.
orange-peakoe@reddit
True.
TychaBrahe@reddit
Like chili mac with really long, skinny noodles.
thisisallme@reddit
Liar! Columbus here, it tastes like spaghetti with chilli over it except the chilli tastes like itās Greek (cinnamon, cardamom, whatever) and then two handfuls of shredded cheddar on top
ucbiker@reddit
Itās funny because itās literally just the word chili. If you called it āCincinnati Greek Sauceā or whatever, itād just be another random regional food. But because itās called āchiliā people get their panties in a twist about it.
Annual_Strategy_6206@reddit
My panties are not in a twist. I just think it is disgusting.
middleageslut@reddit
Like with their Chicago and their āpizza.ā If they just called it hot dish, no one would care and the reputation of both hot dish and pizza would be improved.
Hot_Cryptographer552@reddit
Actually itās German in origin, which is weird because thereās no sausage in it.
Wh33l@reddit
While Cincinnati has a huge German population, āCincinnati chiliā is actually of Greek and Macedonian origin
Hot_Cryptographer552@reddit
Thatās even more horrifying considering they didnāt slap any tzaziki sauce in it
mmmmpork@reddit
A hill I've recently climbed upon and am willing to die atop is that I've begun to argue that "chili" is just the Texas word for their version of "stew".
shelwood46@reddit
There actually is a chili restaurant, that started years before Skyline, that serves a similar but cinnamon-free chili over spaghetti with shredded cheese, and you're right, no one freaks out about it (it's Chili Johns, with locations near GB WI and Burbank CA for some reason).
lentilpasta@reddit
And Chili Johnās spawned Real Chili - a Milwaukee late-night institution
willinglyproblematic@reddit
REAL CHILI MENTIONED
(Love me some real chili)
Malt_and_Salt@reddit
Hell yeah!!
teresaeliz@reddit
MKE classic!
DamicaGlow@reddit
Not much to add outside hello fellow MKEers. Nice to see ya in the wild.
Malt_and_Salt@reddit
Also an unaffiliated Chili Johns Cafe in Beaver Dam, WI
Wit_and_Logic@reddit
I'd have to argue against calling that shit food.
alligator124@reddit
I spent about 3ish years outside of Cincinnati and the other debate I remember was skyline vs gold star.
I feel like most of my friends understood Cincinnati chili and chili-chili to be two separate categories. Most of their families made chili-chili at home if someone was making āchiliā, and went out if they wanted the Cincinnati version.
FlamingBagOfPoop@reddit
I donāt get the extreme hate. Itās perfectly fine. Though Iāll say Iāve only had it on a hot dog and not the noodles.
Jazzvinyl59@reddit
I think the hot dog or āCheese Coneyā is the best way to consume it by far, maybe the original way. The āchiliā recipe was developed as a hot dog sauce, it was widespread throughout the Austro-Hungarian empire, I think itās still sort of a thing. I had always heard the people that started Skyline or whichever one came first saw Italians eating pasta with meat sauce and figured they could as that to the menus as an option for the āchiliā. Covering it all with an inch thick pad of processed cheese is just pure Midwest though.
FlamingBagOfPoop@reddit
I do want to go to an actual location and get a 2 or 3 way skyline platter next time I am in town. But Iām usually too busy and/or have other better places to go eat.
Griegz@reddit
The cinnamon killed it for me. It just ain't right.
jabbadarth@reddit
Yeah I mean the noodles are a huge part of it.
Thing is it being fine is why there is hatred.
Most places have a thing that you try and it's great. Cheesesteaks, lobster rolls, crab cakes, brisket, pulled pork etc. Mediocre chili on spaghetti isn't really anything worth traveling to get so people get annoyed if and when they try it ans realize it's just that.
SciGuy013@reddit
I actually love Cincinnati chili. It was so overhated that it impressed me when I had it and Iāve made it homemade multiple times now lol
Lereas@reddit
I live in Tampa Bay area and there is a skyline right near where I work. I've tried to get people to go with me, but no one ever seems to want a three-way......oh.....
IntentionAromatic523@reddit
Chili.....over spaghetti.......................with cinammon??!!!
Stargate525@reddit
Chili in general.Ā
Beans or no? Rice, noodles, or no carb bed? Vegetables?
Plastic_Primary_4279@reddit
Personally Iām a fan of traditional chili (beans and all) over spaghetti/angel hair, minus the heavy cinnamon and mountain of cheese on top.
Pasta just stretches it further, itās what I grew up on.
Asdilly@reddit
Hey, donāt bring all of Ohio into that. Cleveland wants nothing to do with that monstrous creation
PurpleAriadne@reddit
Cinnamon in chili? Blargh!
OodalollyOodalolly@reddit
I bet itās a greek lamb tomato thing. I never heard of it either! But Iāve had greek food where they use some cinnamon on the lamb
PurpleAriadne@reddit
For the lamb yes.
the-coolest-bob@reddit
And allspice, and clove!
PurpleAriadne@reddit
No thank you! But in a good smoked ham, absolutely.
a-potato-in-a-bag@reddit
When I lived in Middletown skyline was my favorite place, granted I usually got the burrito that was covered in cheese and chili but as someone from SoCal I thought skyline and gold star were both good. Though I preferred skyline because they had just a little more than just chili spaghetti.
RelativeMud1383@reddit
Skilinis!
top_step_engineer@reddit
I ate a bit of this skyline "chili" stuff once. The memory has ruined my morning.
gravyisjazzy@reddit
Yep. Chili in my mind (louisville, KY) has always had beans and noodles, hamburger meat, and no cinnamon. Then you get to Texas where they swear by sad noodleless/beanless meat sauce
Hot_Cryptographer552@reddit
Oh itās more than cinnamon with spaghetti. It also contains freaking chocolate.
And you get spaghetti, beans, meat sauce, cheese, chopped onions and oyster crackers with a 5-way.
Double-Bend-716@reddit
It doesnāt have chocolate.
Or cocoa.
Grouchy_Air_4322@reddit
I have no idea where this idea came from or why people still say it. There isn't any chocolate in it lol
AmmoSexualBulletkin@reddit
Jesus Christ. That's a weird ass way to make "chili". Iowa here, we have enough Hispanic people that our chili is more like what you'd find south of the border.
Double-Bend-716@reddit
Do you think Cincinnati doesnāt have Hispanic people? Or that we donāt have regular chili.
If we sit down and eat a bowl of chili, itās chili con carne. Cincinnati chili is a topping we put in stuff and itās something different
KarmicComic12334@reddit
Skyline is pretty awful. But cincinnati style chili(beans, meat, onions, and tomatoes with spices served over pasta with cheese) is actually pretty good. Skyline just charges extra for beans snd onions cooked seperately which is weird.
But if you want truly awful chili try new mexican green. It is just green chiles and butter
Welpe@reddit
Keep New Mexicoās name out of your fucking mouth!
KarmicComic12334@reddit
Stop serving chile as chili
11061995@reddit
...that's not chilli. That's chile. It's not something you're supposed to eat a bowl of. It's an ingredient. Don't lie to me; Did you eat a bowl of it with cheese on top?
KarmicComic12334@reddit
Not with cheese, but it is served as a soup.
ommnian@reddit
You are so very, very wrong.Ā
TheDreadPirateJeff@reddit
Soā¦ spaghetti sauce then. Chili with no beans is just meat soup ;)
badtux99@reddit
That isnāt chili, that is spaghetti sauce! lol.
vonsnootingham@reddit
If we're talking about Ohio food disputes, we have to talk about pizza. Everyone knows your standard pizza. Columbus-style pizza is the same as St. Louis-style pizza. Extremely thin with a crispy, cracker-like crust, and cut party style. Makes getting pizza from an indepedent shop here in Cbus a little more difficult if you prefer regular pizza over a Columbus style crunchy pizza cracker.
But then there's been a debate raging in recent years amongst pizza academics about the absolute travesty that is Ohio Valley-style pizza. Originating out of the Steubenville area where Ohio, WV, and Pennsylvania meet (so closer to Pittsburgh than anything) and being the signature work of DiCarlos Pizza, this style of pizza is a nightmare. It's thick and rectangular, like Detroit style. But the put it in the oven WITHOUT CHEESE. Just the crust with sauce on it. Then, after it's cooked, they put cold, shredded provolone and toppings on top. What the fuck kind of pizza hating psycho came up with that? But for some reason, some people not only like it, not only sweat by it, but are very aggressive to spread the gospel of it. I had to leave a local pizza FB group over the eternal flamewar of pro and anti DiCarlos people.
idontknowwhereiam_@reddit
Iām gonna let you know that not all of Ohio supports what Cincy does.
In fact Cincy part of Kentucky /s
ommnian@reddit
Yes. Let's blame the abomination on Kentucky. I'm all for that.Ā
ommnian@reddit
I'm from Ohio. That vs of "chili"is an abomination.Ā
kmoney1206@reddit
what the fuck
StarlightLifter@reddit
Iāve been saying forever ITS CHILI SAUCE not chili. A cup is disgusting but as a CHILI SAUCE over noodles or a dog is a whole different story.
Regardless if youāre drunk and/or hungover enough itās the shit end of story
Basementsnake@reddit
Nah. No one really cares about Cincinnati chili.
DontCallMeMillenial@reddit
Your culinary choices are an affront to everything that is good and decent in the world.
persieri13@reddit
Midwesterner chiming in to say the cinnamon should be in the form of a cinnamon roll served on the side of a pasta-free chili.
That is all.
Form1040@reddit
I always get it with beans.Ā
_badwithcomputer@reddit
Skyline vs Gold Star is a rivalry in and of itself.
WarZone2028@reddit
Interestingly enough a dude who may deserve credit for inventing the chili powder blend (DC Pendery) first sold his product in Fort Worth Texas, but came to the area from his home in Cincinnati post civil war.
Kineth@reddit
You had me at no beans in chili, then lost me with the spaghetti. The cinnamon isn't a dealbreaker.
natigin@reddit
You can get it on a hot dog too. The average Skyline meal is a plate of chili spaghetti, a coney dog and a soft drink
MidshipLyric@reddit
I had skyline chili nachos at a reds game. It was terrible yet somehow I couldn't help but eat all of it.
StatePsychological60@reddit
I think you mean between Cincinnati and everyone else. The rest of Ohio doesnāt want anything to do with Skyline, either.
Couscousfan07@reddit
Thereās really not a debate. Itās isnāt food.
the_mosbyboys@reddit
Cinnamon??
quixoft@reddit
It's not chili if it has beans in it. It's a stew.
It's against the rules to add beans in chili and you would be disqualified if you tried to compete in the CASI Terlingua International Chili Championship.
https://www.casichili.net/uploads/3/7/7/2/37727781/rules_2024-2027_r1.pdf
Rule 1, section A, item 2.
"2. NO FILLERS IN CHILI - Beans, macaroni, rice, hominy, or other similar ingredients are not permitted."
Saltpork545@reddit
The rest of the country is wrong. I put chili on my spaghetti.
I'm not saying you have to like it. Like what you want, but thinking it's not valid is honestly dumb.
If you like chili mac, chili 5 way is still an acceptable food.
Kielbasa_Nunchucka@reddit
don't worry, I just learned about Altoona-style pizza... almost makes St. Louis-style look edible
NotYourGran@reddit
The Orange Crush. https://www.reddit.com/r/maryland/s/DfsVsYMugs
BrooklynNotNY@reddit
Sugar or salt in grits starts fights in the South.
Artemis1982_@reddit
Sugar in grits???? I have heard people argue about putting sugar in corn bread (I'm firmly anti-sugar in corn bread) but not grits.
sultrie@reddit
sweet grits is scrumptious
soap---poisoning@reddit
Is this popular where you live? Iām wondering if itās a local thing in certain places.
sultrie@reddit
yes! texas likes sweet grits for breakfast. the closer you get to the gulfcoaat the more you see savory grits
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
My momās cornbread has sugar and it is delicious. My dadās mom didnāt use sugar, and it was also delicious. I am good with both, as long as real butter is involved.
DontCallMeMillenial@reddit
I don't like when cornbread is so sweet it starts tasting like cake.
A little bit of sweetness is fine, but I strongly prefer a savory flavor.
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
I will say my momās doesnāt taste like cake. Sheās a really good baker, though, so she knows how much is too much.
AimeeSantiago@reddit
Real butter? Are y'all fancy people? My great nanna would roll in her grave if I used anything but Crisco in cornbread. Lol.
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
Oh, Crisco in, but butter on!
soap---poisoning@reddit
Wait, there are people who put sugar on grits? Grits are meant to be eaten with butter, a pinch of salt, and maybe cheese. Sugar seems completely unnecessary.
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
Grits are best used as a vehicle for butter and salt.
Hawk13424@reddit
And cheese. Savory all the way. If I want a sweet gain Iāll stick to oatmeal or cream of wheat.
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
Oh yes, cheese for weekends and special occasions!
Hawk13424@reddit
Shrimp and grits. Made with extra sharp cheddar and proper Tasso gravy.
redwoods81@reddit
Shrimp cooked in beer!
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
Now weāre getting real fancy, lol. But thatās delicious, too!
EK60@reddit
And bacon grease.
big_ol_knitties@reddit
I could not be more repulsed by sweet grits. Except maybe by adding sugar to spaghetti.
Sallyfifth@reddit
My MIL puts sugar in her macaroni and cheese.Ā She puts sugar in MY macaroni and cheese, which was a real problem.Ā
big_ol_knitties@reddit
I'm so sorry, this made me audibly gasp and grab my hypothetical pearls. This might be the most egregious of all sugar crimes.
Sallyfifth@reddit
I was dumbstruck when she did it!Ā My brain could not comprehend what my eyes saw.
big_ol_knitties@reddit
My soul would have slithered right out of my skin then and there.
Sallyfifth@reddit
I really appreciate that you understand so deeply.Ā It was a heinous crime against me and my kitchen.Ā Ā
They also spent YEARS not even trying any of the food I brought for holiday get-togethers.Ā And it wasn't even weird stuff, I took their tastes into consideration!
Quirky_Property_1713@reddit
I only like grits with big ol dollop of JAM in the center. So there!
Trick-Caterpillar299@reddit
I'm from Alabama also, and I agree!
How do you feel about sugar in your cornbread? š¤®
big_ol_knitties@reddit
I MUCH prefer cornbread without sugar. My pawpaw introduced me to crushed up cornbread in milk and it was just the best thing as a little kid. My husband, on the other hand, is from NC and only likes the sweet yellow cornbread, especially if it's thick and cakey. I like mine thinner and crispy and not sweet.
AdDue7140@reddit
Different styles of pizza come to mind, I.e. NY style v Chicago style. New England v manhattan clam chowder. Hoagie v Sub, but I think thatās just name only.
hartemis@reddit
It's called "pop."
Jaeger-the-great@reddit
In Michigan one of our big things is Coney Dogs. A hot dog in a bun topped with Chili, diced onions and mustard. There's two styles of the chili: Detroit style, which is a classic type chili but without beans but generally saucy and make with ground beef. Then there is Flint Style which is generally just seasoned ground beef but not much of a sauce to it. Personally I am much more a fan of the Detroit style Coney dog with its classic chili, however it makes me sad when I order a Coney dog and the chili tastes more like spaghetti sauce than it does actually chili, as it's missing the chili powder, cumin, etc and tastes more sweet than savory. Also sometimes a coney dog can be topped with shredded cheddar as well, but generally the recipe is chili, diced raw onion and mustard. And in terms of hotdog the classic is a Koegels brand Vienna sausage, or some other Michigan based brand of hot dog
6ftToeSuckedPrincess@reddit
Pizza is a pretty big one I would say.
imaginarypoet@reddit
Not the strongest, but lobster rolls also invoke strong preferences, at least in my experience.
alligator124@reddit
Iām always really confused about the Maine style hate when this topic comes up. Thereās room for both in my life, but honestly my preference is for Maine.
A good Maine roll shouldnāt have a lot of mayo, or small shreds of lobster. Itās not like tuna or crab salad. It should be a dab, just enough to hold together large bits of lobster. You get really nice contrast between the buttery, toasty bun, and a cold filling. Itās great in the summer. The lobster is still buttery and rich.
I donāt agree with people who say cold lobster is unappealing. We eat all sorts of fish and shellfish dishes cold- sushi, ceviche, tartare, salads, dips, poke, etc.
Of course warm and slathered in butter is going to be indulgent, but I feel like that way can compete too much with the lobster itself.
BadCatBehavior@reddit
After living on the west coast for the past decade, lobster is one of the things I miss the most about the east. Dipping a big 'ol piece of lobster tail into a cup of warm melted butter.... š¤¤
thegoatisoldngnarly@reddit
My CT native roommate refuses to eat mayonnaise based lobster rolls.
ktn24@reddit
As with barbecue and pizza, all lobster roll options are delicious.
unlimited_insanity@reddit
But as a Nutmegger, Iām here to point out that CT is top for both pizza and lobster rolls. New Haven is the epicenter of pizza quality. When it comes to BBQ, I donāt have a dog in that hunt, but pizza and lobster are my hills to die on (although Iāll also argue about regional clam chowders).
Themoopabides@reddit
As a New Englander, I hate to say it, but not a fan of lobster, but the CT style roll does interest me.
daffodil0127@reddit
The CT lobster roll is the only good lobster roll. You can get them in MA too. And they are really easy to make yourself.
Themoopabides@reddit
I mean cold lobster and mayo just doesnāt sound appealing to me. On the other hand, hot lobster and butter sounds way better. Itās been ages since Iāve last had lobster, other than lobster ravioli (which I love for some reason), so Iām willing to give it a try.
squarerootofapplepie@reddit
You still get buttery goodness in a Maine style roll, itās just on the bun instead of the lobster. And I like cold lobster over hot lobster. But really if youāre putting lots of lobster on a buttery roll it all sounds great to me.
daffodil0127@reddit
I canāt deal with anything that has mayo. I sometimes get a lobster from the seafood department at the supermarket, boil it up and make my own lobster rolls. You just have to be careful not to overcook the lobster. Donāt add it to the melted butter until youāre ready to serve it. They have been so expensive in restaurants the last few years. But you can make 2-3 rolls with a 1 1/4 lb lobster.
TituspulloXIII@reddit
The CT style should because it's delicious.
Steer clear of the abomination that is a Maine style lobster roll.
SquashDue502@reddit
Iāve definitely listened to a Mainer absolutely trash Connecticut style rolls
Rtn2NYC@reddit
Cold lobster roll is so mid. Hot lobster roll is Devine
squarerootofapplepie@reddit
Hot lobster roll on a hot day makes no sense.
surelyshirls@reddit
Hot lobster roll is wonderful. Coldā¦leaves much to be desired
TituspulloXIII@reddit
fuck Maine style lobster rolls.
Avbitten@reddit
tea in new England versus tea in the south
fairelf@reddit
Pizza, as in from real NYC and other East coast cities that many Italians emigrated to, and pizzaish casseroles in Chicago.
SilverJournalist3230@reddit
BBQ is a big one. Texas vs KC vs Memphis vs the rest of the south. Chicago vs NY Pizza is another big one. More recently, I've also seen Texas vs Cali Mexican food be more of a thing recently too.
Science_Fair@reddit
Ketchup vs. mustard on hamburgers
commandrix@reddit
Maine, Connecticut, and Manhattan all have different styles of lobster roll, apparently. So if you've been to one place and visit either of the others, just be prepared for the lobster rolls to not be what you expect.
Alexreads0627@reddit
Chili. no beans in Texas, beans everywhere else
HurtsCauseItMatters@reddit
Every Gumbo ever made outside of the state of Louisiana is against the religion of most Louisianians. And many recipes within the state. There are very few Louisianians that can't find something to complain about when served gumbo. Every family has a very specific way of eating it and everyone else is patently wrong. Especially if its made by someone from out of state.
Same can be applied to crawfish boils. Or where strawberries are grown. Or which spice/seasoning you use.
Louisiana food opinions are STRONG.
And if its made out of state ... it *might* be okay if the cook is from LA. If not, according to them, its garbage. Even if that person's family was from LA.
Annual_Strategy_6206@reddit
Chili con Carne.
ThrowingTheRinger@reddit
Lobster rolls. Super different Maine vs Connecticut style.
Toriat5144@reddit
NY pizza vs Chicago pizza
Adrestia@reddit
Tex-Mex vs. Cali-Mex
alligator124@reddit
Cajun vs Creole. Gets people fired up!
clunkclunk@reddit
In terms of Mexican-Californian fare, SF Bay Areaās mission style burrito vs. San Diegoās carne asada fries.
LurkerByNatureGT@reddit
Carne asada fries stand on their own.Ā
Itās SF Mission Style Burritos vs. San Diego style burritos.Ā
rco8786@reddit
Barbecue is probably the best answer.
But also Mexican food varies quite a bit region to region (Cali mex, Southeastern Mex, Tex Mex, Southern Mex all distinct in their own ways).
LurkerByNatureGT@reddit
Iād say in most cases thereās just a general respect for the fact that different regional styles for Mexican food developed organically.Ā
Except for burritos.Ā
AZULDEFILER@reddit
Pizza š CA vs NY vs Chicago
LurkerByNatureGT@reddit
CA doesnāt have a massive chip on their shoulder about pizza and likes lots of styles, they just also like to add different toppings which freaks a bunch of easterners out.Ā
LurkerByNatureGT@reddit
Barbecue, pizza, and burritos. Probably in that order.Ā
But to be clear, rice goes on the side, not as cheap filler in your burrito unbalancing the taste and texture. And steaming the tortilla instead of heating it on the comal is just wrong.Ā
turkeyisdelicious@reddit
This might be niche, but frybread. Thereās northern tribes like Lakota who use buttermilk in their recipes and southern tribes like DinĆ© who donāt. They are all welcome for my tacos or beans or chili or just plain, personally. Yum! āŗļøāŗļøāŗļø
-Random_Lurker-@reddit
Wet vs dry BBQ. No contest. This one gets heated.
Some-guy7744@reddit
Those are two styles but they aren't from specific regions
madogvelkor@reddit
New Haven apizza vs New York pizza.
Chicago, Detroit, and California also claim to have pizza but they are wrong.
Some-guy7744@reddit
What is New Haven pizza?
Jets237@reddit
Pizza
NY > New Haven > all that midwest trash
Some-guy7744@reddit
What is New Haven pizza also where is New Haven
DokterZ@reddit
NYC is a foldable greasicle. Chicago is bread lasagna. Tavern/Milwaukee/Chicago thin crust is the best. Detroit a close second.
amazingtaters@reddit
This is clearly bait to start a fight. Knowing that, I still almost took it.
Jets237@reddit
ha - just trying to come off as an arrogant northeasterner.
You guys stick to the German food, we'll handle Italian
Tacoshortage@reddit
It's BBQ and there is NO contest. There are 4 Regional types: Ā Kansas City, Texas, Memphis, and Carolina-style barbecue. And Texas is the best.
Some-guy7744@reddit
What is the difference between the regional styles?
Hawk13424@reddit
Having lived in NC and GA before moving to Texas, I also think Texas is the best. I like the others also but when done perfectly nothing beats brisket or a beef rib.
ixamnis@reddit
Texas is a close second to Kansas City. I've had BBQ in the south with the mustard/vinegar style sauce, and that sauce is garbage.
Bright_Ices@reddit
No way. Iād take a vinegar-mustard sauce over the Kansas sweet smoky sauce every day of the week and twice on Sundays. NC FTW.Ā
like_shae_buttah@reddit
Carolina has 3 separate and very different styles
Tacoshortage@reddit
Yeah there's way more than 4 types, but the 4 "main" types are those above.
I'd separate Texas into a few sub-styles too depending on meat.
revocer@reddit
Cal Mex vs Tex Mex.
Some-guy7744@reddit
Most people have heard of texmex but not calmex
Wooden_Cold_8084@reddit
Cal Mex is just Mex!
TheMightyBoofBoof@reddit
BBQ. What meat is acceptable and what the sauce consists of.
Texas, your beef bullshit isnāt BBQ
Some-guy7744@reddit
Im not from Texas but does your state really not do beef BBQ
notagoodtimetotext@reddit
BBQ followed immediately by pizza.
Some-guy7744@reddit
Most Americans can't tell you what State made the BBQ they are eating but they can tell you what State made the pizza they are eating.
Fruktoj@reddit
Not very regional, but very similarly niche. Blue crabs. Maryland steams blue crabs and puts a very salty spice mix, usually JO ( NOT Old Bay ), on top of them. Louisiana throws them in the boil with everything else. I find Maryland style crabs superior, especially texture wise. Boiled crabs get mushy and the typical boil seasoning blend is too much for crab. Great for crawdads though.Ā
jackfaire@reddit
Hot Dogs
Hour-Watch8988@reddit
Texas chili vs. New Mexico chile is a bigggg one.
Walrus_Eggs@reddit
I have lived in Texas most of my life and visit New Mexico about once a year. I love Texas chili and New Mexico chili. It never occurred to me to think of them as the same dish. They just happen to have the same name because they both have chilis.
Ozzimo@reddit
Seattle style Teriyaki Chicken needs a thick, sweet, sauce and a pile of rice on the side. Thin sauce will just make me upset.
Swimming-Necessary23@reddit
Teriyaki is apparently Seattle area creation. I grew up on it in the 90s. This is a fantastic article on it:
https://www.seattleweekly.com/food/how-teriyaki-became-seattles-own-fast-food-phenomenon/
Funny thing is I actually think of watery ranch vs some sort of sesame dressing for the side salad as something to argue about.
TychaBrahe@reddit
It's hardly a regional thing, because no one seems to care except me, but it is impossible to get the oyster crackers that come with chowder on the East Coast in the Midwest. What is labeled as oyster crackers in the US is tiny little hexagons of saltine crackers, not the hard knot of baked dough that look kind of like oysters and works so well in fish soups.
GreyGhost878@reddit
I saw the real deal in the cracker aisle at Meijer! I think Giant Eagle (in western PA and NE Ohio) still has them, too. Aldi used to have them too but recently switched to a different variety. Such a huge disappointment.
world-class-cheese@reddit
They are common here in the Pacific Northwest, but maybe that's because we enjoy clam chowder here too
Apprehensive-Crow146@reddit
Pizza. There are a lot of different pizza styles from different cities or regions.
Tea as well. In some places chai is popular. Bubble tea is becoming popular in places with a large East Asian diaspora. And in the South they like sweet tea, and they like it sweeeeet.Ā
MrsPedecaris@reddit
Dumplings. I've always known them as basically dropping spoons full of biscuit dough into a boiling chicken soup. It puffs up, absorbs the chicken broth flavor and done correctly is light and fluffy. In some southern regions, it's more like a large flat noodle. And then there are different Asian styles of dumplings. Delicious, but totally different.
https://carlahall.com/chicken-and-dumplings-flat-dumplings-vs-drop-dumplings/
maestrodks1@reddit
Spoon dropped are the best!
NeverRarelySometimes@reddit
Czech dumplings are still different.
DoctorCockedher@reddit
BBQ, but people also will go to war over variations on pizza.
bigedthebad@reddit
Mexican food can be quite different from Texas to California and the states in between but we all know the best is Tex Mex.
earth_worx@reddit
Funeral potatoes with corn flakes versus funeral potatoes with potato chips in Utah
Negative_Party7413@reddit
Cornbread. Sweet or savory.
Coke or Pepsi.
HarryHatesSalmon@reddit
RI clear chowder is better than either NE creamy OR Manhattan red.
the_banana_standard@reddit
Ketchup or gravy on a pasty, in upper Michigan
PossibilityOrganic12@reddit
What are the differences between Miami's and Tampa'a cubanos?
TheFalconKid@reddit
The big three have to be Pizza (NY vs Chicago vs California), Barbecue, and how to garnish a hot dog.
BeerJunky@reddit
NY pizza is trash and CT pizza is king no matter what New Yorkers say.
rubey419@reddit
East versus West - North Carolina BBQ
mailbroad@reddit
hot dog condiments debates!
Sufficient_Friend_@reddit
New Jerseyās civil war over pork roll. š½
Dieu_Le_Fera@reddit
Taylor Ham
Sufficient_Friend_@reddit
Oh itās on š„
Real-Psychology-4261@reddit
Tater Tot Hotdish between Minnesota and Wisconsin
Spirited_String_1205@reddit
For those of us not from there, can you explain hot dish vs casserole?
Real-Psychology-4261@reddit
A casserole is the dish used for cooking it. The hot dish is the meal itself.Ā
sgigot@reddit
No, it's not a rivalry. We don't serve hotdish in Wisconsin, just casseroles. Maybe those filthy heretics over on the western side of the state do, but we don't talk about them in the decent parts of the state.
Sorry-Government920@reddit
Madison it's casserole
Real-Psychology-4261@reddit
I've got relatives in NW Wisconsin and they definitely eat hotdish.
DokterZ@reddit
NE Wisconsin. Definitely called it hot dish, as in āare we having hot dish again?!?
sgigot@reddit
I'm from NEW as well, so apparently 1) it is a rivalry and 2) #casserole4lyf.
Occasionally_Sober1@reddit
Philly cheesesteaks: Patās versus Genoās
kevinmfry@reddit
BBQ
airheadtiger@reddit
I am a vegetarian and have never tasted barbecue, and still find myself defending, 'Eastern North Carolina Barbecue' over all others.
TyrionIsntALannister@reddit
Iāll bite. Why is a vegetarian whoās never had it defending ENC BBQ? (Thanks for your support btw)
Bright_Ices@reddit
Similar-but-different: Iāve never like pb&j, but I get SO annoyed when people in other countries want to try it but make it horribly wrong (weird crunchy sourdough bread, thin slice of pb, teensy bit of jelly). Peanut butter and marmite are two completely different spreads! You need to put a whole thick LAYER of pb and a good amount of jelly on there. It really irritates me.Ā
NeverRarelySometimes@reddit
Who's slicing peanut butter?
Bright_Ices@reddit
Oh thatās so funny! I tried to type swipe, and didnāt even notice the error. Makes a funny mental image.Ā
NeverRarelySometimes@reddit
I thought maybe the brits had found a way to can and slice PB!
minicpst@reddit
Not the poster, but as a vegetarian who has never had it, theyāre wrong. Lexington NC barbecue. LOL
Why do I care? Itās what my family fights for.
TyrionIsntALannister@reddit
I respect your commitment to your family despite being on the objectively wrong side of this battle
airheadtiger@reddit
Have you seen Alabama White Sauce?
TyrionIsntALannister@reddit
I have, many times! Fair point.
maxman1313@reddit
Amen
terryjuicelawson@reddit
So many of these are fascinating to me, as an outsider I am struggling to see why basically any of them even matter. The specific type of cheese to put on a steak sandwich? In a place you can ask for your own preference? Go for whatever!
Spirited_String_1205@reddit
Pretty sure that one example is because in Philly there are two cheesesteak places across from each other and one does it one way and the other does it the other way, and people have a strong preference one way or another. But that example is specific to two businessss in one block in one city. Nobody cares outside of that block.
Banjo-Hellpuppy@reddit
Everyone out here talking about BBQ, but put sugar in the cornbread at a potluck and see what happens
Commercial-Day-3294@reddit
I think Pizza. I mean, everywhere seems to have its own style or way of making pizza.
New York style,
Chicago style,
Detroit style,
St. Lois style,
California style
Sicilian,
Hawaiian
Brooklyn style (thats 2 for just new york)
Quad city
Colorado style.
New Haven style.
And the only one I cant stand is whatever its called where they just have slightly melted balls of cheese and the rest of the pizza is like, a couple pieces of topping, and burnt/dry sauce. Like, whos fucking idea was it to start doing that? I think its called Margherita
madogvelkor@reddit
Greek style pizza too. It's a distinct style in Connecticut separate from New Haven or New York style. I actually prefer it so I'm the weird one when people argue about best pizza in New Haven.
Spirited_String_1205@reddit
Green pizza is a new england thing, we have it in RI and MA too. Greasy and delicious even if not my fav
beachmasterbogeynut@reddit
Are you serious about the margherita thing?
Commercial-Day-3294@reddit
I think thats what its called. Just dry bread and dry sauce with maybe one lump of cheese the size of a baby marshmellow half melted on it.
Kool_McKool@reddit
Excuse me, but that's the original. I am a Chicago man, but even I will step aside and acknowledge the general superiority of it.
beachmasterbogeynut@reddit
Agreed. Just has to be done correctly
beachmasterbogeynut@reddit
Margherita pizza is the original pizza lol it comes from Naples Italy and is named after Queen Margherita. The colors represent the Italy flag. Which State are you from? It not NYC or NJ I can understand why maybe you don't like it. Italian population here is massive.
NorraVavare@reddit
I'm from NJ and worked in Manhattan, I can't stand that monstrosity. The only time I ever ate it was when I lived in Italy for a summer.
beachmasterbogeynut@reddit
Did you like it in Italy? Or just ate it because that was what was there?
NorraVavare@reddit
Just ate it because it was there. I like boardwalk pizza., don't actually eat it anymore because I moved out of state and it all sucks with different water.
Commercial-Day-3294@reddit
Its just not my kind of pizza bud. Thats all. Its dry, theres no toppings.
I would just order breadsticks and some sauce if thats what I wanted.
beachmasterbogeynut@reddit
Oh I totally respect your taste. But comment where you asked who the fuck started this is what got me. Just funny is all.
mrbloagus@reddit
Californian here. There's no such thing as California pizza, despite what some boring chain unilaterally decided to call themselves.
(Also it's entirely possible their name simply means "a kitchen in CA that makes pizza" rather than "a kitchen that makes CA pizza.)
Gashi_The_Fangirl_75@reddit
Yeah, Iāve lived here all my life and Iāve never even heard of CA style, much less seen or tried it
Commercial-Day-3294@reddit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California-style_pizza
It is indeed a "style" and it looks disgusting in the wikipedia
mrbloagus@reddit
That article is basically describing what one or two people decided to call something. It doesn't make it a thing, any more than me moving to Guam and "inventing" "Guamanian" pizza would be. A legit pizza style has an actual history, organically developed over time amongst the people in whatever region, not something invented 5 minutes ago by a couple fellas putting random quirky shit on a pizza and calling it Californian.
Commercial-Day-3294@reddit
1980 is 44 years ago....like....its not new thing.
mrbloagus@reddit
It's not a thing at all. When you think of a New York, Chicago, or Detroit style pizza, some very specific images come to mind. "A pizza dough piled high with random shit" does not have such an ingrained association. Basically all it is is a marketing ploy disguised as a culinary tradition.
Commercial-Day-3294@reddit
Still, same as with the Margherita style, if you set that down in front of my, I'd wonder who fucked up my pizza.
mrbloagus@reddit
On that point, we're 100% in agreement.
world-class-cheese@reddit
"Hawaiian" isn't Hawaiian, it was invented by a Greek in Canada. In Hawaii, they just call it ham and pineapple
nthat1@reddit
Don't forget Rhode Island pizza strips!
Antique-Zebra-2161@reddit
Get a bunch of Southeners together to tell you how to make potato salad, and a fight will erupt. š¤£ it's crazy!
Among the ingredients fought about: mayonnaise vs miracle whip. Mustard. Pickles/relish. Eggs. Herbs. Then, if someone says they're bringing potato salad and shows up with warm German potato salad, they're just shown the door. š¤£
I've seen people get really upset over chicken and dumplings. There are basically two ways to make it in the south -- flat dumplings or biscuit-like dumplings. The first time I made it for my ex, he looked at it and said "What is this? I thought you were making chicken and dumplings?" Throughout our marriage, I alternated between flat and fluffy dumplings, because we had VERY different ideas about that dish.
The worst one, though, was the year my mom decided to make our Thanksgiving dinner "more fancy." She made some recipe from her favorite chef in New York (we're in Texas... pretty much the exact opposite of New York in every way.) It had white bread stuffing with nuts and fruit, and she shoved it up the turkey. Our favorite part of Thanksgiving is the big pan of cornbread dressing. It wasn't just the adults who got into it. Children were crying. š¤£
notonrexmanningday@reddit
We don't put ketchup on hotdogs in Chicago
RedLegGI@reddit
Has to be Pizza.
Mrs_Gracie2001@reddit
Probably barbecue. There are strong regional differences. Pork is more common in the East, beef from Texas to the west. Some use no sauce. Some use vinegar-based, etc.
sfdsquid@reddit
In some places people put beans in their chili and in other places they don't.
Chicago hot dogs are ... Very creative.
See also Chicagoans' severe aversion to ketchup.
Emers_Poo@reddit
Grilling
rharper38@reddit
Crab cakes. Marylanders judge all other states' crab cakes harshly
DevolvingSpud@reddit
Nothing there worth judging.
The real discussion is Old Bay vs J.O.
rharper38@reddit
J.O. old bay is good, but better on chicken fingers and fries
coyotenspider@reddit
And have every right to.
LuckyAd7034@reddit
The right way to eat crabs and crab cakes? Only right answer? Maryland!
Kevincelt@reddit
My guess would probably be the different types of barbecue in the US and who has the best. Disputes over regional pizza(Chicago deep-dish is amazing) and hotdog styles are always pretty funny too.
Ahjumawi@reddit
There was an Italian guy who rated regional American pizza styles on his instagram account. It was pretty interesting! But he's probably persona non grata in many parts of the country now.
https://www.instagram.com/mattiastable/
Kevincelt@reddit
Looks pretty cool. I donāt get why some people freak out over American pizza styles, like Iāve seen what they do to pizzas in Northern Europe, weāre tame.
MayoManCity@reddit
People freak out over just pineapple as a topping, it's at least better than sweet corn.
Kevincelt@reddit
If seen stuff in Germany. Burger pizza with ketchup, pizza with hollandaise sauce, etc. Never seen anything like it till I moved here.
MayoManCity@reddit
I would totally try a burger pizza while blitzed, regret it, then try it again to see if it's really that bad.
Kevincelt@reddit
Fair enough. I just mainly find the ketchup weird.
MayoManCity@reddit
Ketchup is weird, but I used to eat plain cheese pizza dipped in ranch where I grew up, which would definitely get some looks here in NJ. Ketchup is downright normal compared to that. Hollandaise is insane though.
redwoods81@reddit
I used to do that after a night out, with blue cheese dressing š¤¢
MayoManCity@reddit
Blue cheese dressing is fire, I gotta try that with pizza sometime.
Kevincelt@reddit
I know many a midwesterner who would do the ranch thing due to their crippling ranch addiction, but itās not my thing. I think people just really like hollandaise sauce here, especially with asparagus. Thereās literally a whole season for that with special stands and everything.
Reflexlon@reddit
Local pizza place has a cheeseburger pizza. I thought it sounded vile, only ended up trying it when it was offered for free by a friend. Its legitimately awesome:
Tomato Sauce
Beef
Onion
Pickles
Mustard
Mozz
Cheddar
This pizza mustard? Pickles!? Turns out they work the same as banana peppers or olives; the vinegar and acid just go awesome on a pizza. Its absolutely amazing.
Fly_Boy_1999@reddit
I used to deliver for Dominoās. We had a cheeseburger pizza that did not look appealing to me, particularly the ketchup/mustard sauce instead of marinara, but there were plenty of orders of that pizza. I delivered these to people that were clearly stoned.
Welpe@reddit
Japan is pretty famous for theirā¦interesting pizzas too.
Letās head over to Pizza Hutās Japanese site, switch to English, and check out what they have!
Their current special is āWinter Half and Half of Lobster and Ibericoā. As it says itās a pizza where one half is Shrimp and Broccoli, all smothered in crab sauce, while the other is Iberico bacon and onion with parsley. The cheese is a mix of the traditional mozzarella with Camembert and Gouda mixed in.
Other offerings include Potato Mayo Corn, Asparagus Bacon, Anchovy and Olive, Grilled Teriyaki-Mayo Chicken, Mushroom and Eggplant, and even Hawaiian.
KevrobLurker@reddit
Hawaianā -style pizza w/ham & pineapple is not a US-invention. It originated in Chatham. ,ONT, Canada.
ā Nothing to do w/Hawaii, actually.
Lobster rolls in New England CT serves the meat warm, drenched. In warm butter on a toasted roll Mass has cold lobster in mayo. Some places serve it both ways.
thegoatisoldngnarly@reddit
I have traveled a decent amount in Italy and had some incredible pizza. Itās probably just the American in me but I preferred NY pizza. Could also just be that I picked better restaurants in NY than Naples. I will say I went to get pizza in Gaetta where pizza is supposed to have been invented, and it was pretty disappointing. They didnāt spread out the cheeses or ingredients so some bites were just tomato sauce.
StuckInWarshington@reddit
I seem to remember a lot of places with āCalifornia styleā (corn and tuna) pizza on the menu in Germany.
Kevincelt@reddit
I will say that Iāve definitely gotten into tuna pizza here in Germany, but the corn is a bit strange in my opinion. I have no clue how they come up with some of the names like āCalifornia styleā that donāt have anything to do with California.
Ahjumawi@reddit
Exactly. They're still basically pizza here, and if it's pizza, I'm probably gonna be okay with it. That said, I was not okay with the canned tuna and corn niblets pizza I had in Japan.
Kevincelt@reddit
Yeah, and different styles doesnāt always mean worse. I will say though that Iāve gotten really into Tuna pizza here, though naturally cooked and with some spices.
Ahjumawi@reddit
Tuna as an ingredient is great and I'm sure it can be done well. That particular pizza was at a Japanese Shakey's Pizza during their all-you-can-eat lunch special. I only went there because I was a poor student LOL
Master-Collection488@reddit
Out of all of the American pizza chains I'd expect to be in Japan, I would never have guessed Shakey's. They barely exist here in the U.S.A. nowadays!
One thing they have that other chains lack is beer in most markets.
Kevincelt@reddit
Fair enough. To be fair to japan, Western food is a bit out of their usual expertise. Tuna and onion pizza is a really solid combo.
serious_sarcasm@reddit
its the texture of wet kernals that bugs me
SadLocal8314@reddit
Brazilian Pizza-chicken, hearts of palm, cheese, cream sauce, and corn. It's actually great - even though some of my Italian descended co-workers shrieked!
Kevincelt@reddit
Iām partial to flammkuchen here in Germany or Tarte FlambĆ© as they call it in France. It uses a less sour and more fatty type of sour cream instead of tomato sauce.
Thepuppypack@reddit
I saw the way they do pizza in S Korean TV and they are wild!
thatswacyo@reddit
He's just attempting to make each style in his own kitchen, so the results are not representative of the actual pizza you would find in those cities.
I picked the St Louis style video to start with and what he made was absolutely not St Louis style at all. The crust looks totally different and he made it with white cheddar, smoked provolone, and swiss.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6_jsC4IjMx/?igsh=MWVzMXE2N3hjcHFtOA==
It's clear he has no idea what he's doing.
serious_sarcasm@reddit
Did no one tell him to that it's just ketchup smeared across a cracker?
Nexus6Leon@reddit
There's no debate over regional pizza, NY is the best, period. That cockwash they serve in Chicago is a fucking tragedy, and California doesn't know the difference between pizza and salad on hot bread.
sto_brohammed@reddit
That's not how you spell Detroit
Nexus6Leon@reddit
That's not how you spell Brooklyn.
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underhillsmustache@reddit
I went to Chicago for a training class for work. I have never really been a hot dog person but I thought I needed to try a Chicago dog while I was there.
By the time I had to file my expense report I was embarrassed by how many hot dogs I had eaten while I was there. I was worried I was going to get flagged for audit and have to explain my fat-assery.
KilgoreThunfisch@reddit
It sounds crazy, but Colorado likes to put honey on their deep dish pizzas. Don't knock it till you try it.
DontCallMeMillenial@reddit
Deep dish isn't even the best style of Chicago pizza.
It's Tavern Style by far. It's not even close.
Kevincelt@reddit
Iām a big fan of tavern style and itās what my family normally gets. I just have a fondness for the distinctiveness of deep dish and the special occasions that my family would get it.
Lothar_Ecklord@reddit
I think most or all cities with a distinct pizza style have a claim. You just can't compare them as if they're all simply "pizza" - different enough for sub-categories. Detroit-style is the unsung hero among the styles - it's not my favorite per se, but it's worth a mention.
Kevincelt@reddit
Iām enjoying pizza at the end of the day so I donāt really discriminate. Iāve actually found a place in Germany that does Detroit style, so Iāve been pleasantly surprised with that.
Master-Collection488@reddit
Zweigels white hots with meaty hot sauce! Hell, I'll just order 'em on a Garbage Plate!
urine-monkey@reddit
I moved back to Milwaukee last year because of my dad's health after living in Chicago.
Anyway, there's a Chicago style hot dog shop down the street from where I work. Real Vienna Beef, so this place is legit.
My coworker came in and told me he got a ChiDog. Then he tried telling me about the attitude he got from the guy when he asked for ketchup.Ā
I jumped in before he could finish and said YOU DID WHAT?!!!!!
Kool_McKool@reddit
Excuse me, he did WHAT?!
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
I thought that was just a stereotype, they take it that seriously? š
JJSF2021@reddit
Oh yeah, you might get stabbed for putting ketchup on a hot dog there, and your lifeless corpse dropped in an undisclosed part of Lake Michigan.
SugarHooves@reddit
Vienna Beef hot dogs are the best.
I live west of the city and Portillo's has run the smaller, family owned hot dog joints out of business. Portillo's hot dogs are awful. I'll never eat there.
JJSF2021@reddit
Yeah, ngl, I used to work at a Portillos/Barnellis when I was I college in Chicago, and I didnāt get their hot dogs. The cake shakes howeverā¦ fat guy approved!
DontCallMeMillenial@reddit
Half my extended family is from the Waukegan/Round Lake suburbs of Chicago so I grew up scarfing down vienna beef hot dogs every time we'd visit our grandparents on holidays.
Recently down here in Florida we've started getting a TON of Portillo's restaurants opening up. I'm not going to say it's worse than when we had no places to get a real chicago style hotdog, but I'll absolutely agree with you that their version is subpar. The meat doesn't taste right.
dirtyworkoutclothes@reddit
We are in the Chicago area and I told my kids ketchup is illegal. š¤
Kevincelt@reddit
lol, Iām a filthy heretic when it comes to hot dogs since I like it with ketchup. I still fantasize about getting a hot dog with huge amounts of grilled onions and celery salt from Wrigley though. Core childhood memory.
Round_Walk_5552@reddit
Also people donāt realize that for Chicago locals, tavern style thin crust is default Chicago style pizza they think of and deep dish is a special occasion type of thing people have like a couple times a year maybe a little more if they are really into or maybe even less if they are not so into it or they have it they have out of towner visitors coming over l.
JJSF2021@reddit
So true! Deep dish just takes too long to make for regular consumption. Itās soooo good though when you have time for it!
Judgy-Introvert@reddit
I would travel to Chicago just for their deep-dish pizza.
JJSF2021@reddit
Same! I miss that authentic deep dish from my college daysā¦
The real question isnāt ifā¦ the real question is where. Giordanoās, Ginoās East, or Lou Malnatiās?
Thepuppypack@reddit
Another thing Chicago does best is the cheese caramel popcorn
cheezburgerwalrus@reddit
The real sleeper hit is the Italian beef
TrynnaFindaBalance@reddit
Not really a sleeper anymore thanks to The Bear.
cheezburgerwalrus@reddit
I don't know what the bear is but I'm glad more people are turned on to the greatness that is that sandwich
koreamax@reddit
The last time I was in Chicago, I had debilitating weeks long heart burn and I tried to power through it with deep dish. It didn't go well
Kevincelt@reddit
Thereās a few places to go to get some really good deep dish, so definitely check those out and get the good stuff if youāre in the city.
SavannahInChicago@reddit
Honestly the pizza-thing is just in fun. There are so many varieties of pizza here and people eat all kinds. Tavern-style is popular. I have a great Detroit style pizza place by me. There is a one with Italian pizzas I want to try. I go through cycles where I want deep dish, but its honestly expensive because its uses so many ingredients and since I live alone I really don't see the point of ordering one every time I want pizza.
serious_sarcasm@reddit
If you learn to make dough, you can just freeze little dough balls to make personal deep dishes with tiny cast iron pans.
Kevincelt@reddit
Yeah, I enjoy the different styles. After all, if itās good pizza, what is there to complain about. Iāve actually found a great American style pizza place and a place that does Detroit style deep dish in my city, but theyāre too far away for me to order from them sadly. I have two Italian pizzerias a block away though, so I canāt complain. Thatās fair with deep dish. Itās a special occasion kind of thing.
jollyrowger@reddit
The exception is Greek pizza, unique to the Northeast/New England region. It sucks so hard. And now there are Brazilian pizza places making similar style pizza, too. Itās a very oily dough thatās oven baked in a pan, itās very āwetā dough and the cheese to sauce ratio is off so itās not satisfying.
cheezburgerwalrus@reddit
Hey greek pizza is alright. Well, no, it's terrible but it hits a specific spot sometimes. Kind of like Tripoli's, it sucks but it's not a trip to the beach without it
jollyrowger@reddit
Iāll concede that it can be passable and hit the spot in a crunch. Connecticut and the Springfield area are the exceptions in NE. Some decent Neapolitan, NY and Sicilian style spots are around thankfully
cheezburgerwalrus@reddit
I'm pretty close to Springfield so maybe that's why. But yeah usually if it's a Greek pizza place I'm getting a sub instead
madogvelkor@reddit
Connecticut is the pizza capital of the US. They have a pizza trail too.
madogvelkor@reddit
Also they invented the hamburger.
LoloTheRogan@reddit
A terribly under seasoned burger on cheese spread toast.
cheezburgerwalrus@reddit
They also have steamed hams
Nicktrod@reddit
Chicago style deep dish lives rent free in New Yorkers heads while nobody in Chicago ever thinks of New York style pizza at all.
Isis_Cant_Meme7755@reddit
I'm from the NYC area. Lived in Chicago, Boston, and now LA.
Everyone loves to think they live rent-free in New Yorker's heads.
Nicktrod@reddit
No one in Chicago is making videos about New York style pizza.
I can find plenty of videos of New Yorkers ranting about Chicago style deep dish.
Jon Stewart is the most famous one but he's not one by a long shotĀ
EloquentBacon@reddit
Jon Stewart isnāt a New Yorker.
BombardierIsTrash@reddit
In my 3 decades of being alive I donāt think Iāve ever heard anyone in NYC even mention Chicago deep dish much less be obsessed with it enough to ālive rent freeā. I think this is yet another made up media/internet rivalry that no normal person gives a flying fuck about.
Isis_Cant_Meme7755@reddit
You seem pretty worked up about this.
Nicktrod@reddit
Do I?
How so?
Mainly just bored. My job involves a lot of hurry up and wait.
I'm presently in the wait portion.Ā
Turgius_Lupus@reddit
A Chicago deep dish is just a bread casserole.
Kevincelt@reddit
Itās an experience
mavynn_blacke@reddit
You both need to join forces against a common enemy.
What they are serving down in Florida just ain't right.
ilovjedi@reddit
In my house we have some serious hot dog bun related disagreements.
Initial-Fishing4236@reddit
You lost me with deep dish
Kevincelt@reddit
Iām a big fan, but itās a special occasion style of pizza that you maybe have a few times a year at most. If you want more normal thin crust type pizza thereās Chicago Tavern-Style pizza which is pretty good and what people tend to have more often.
SugarHooves@reddit
I'm biased, but tavern style blows east coast "New York style" out of the water. I lived out east for six months and missed the pizza the most. Tavern style has seasonings in the sauce that is missing from New York pizza.
Kevincelt@reddit
I miss tavern style. Itās been a long time, so Iām craving it now. Itās a really underrated style.
LuawATCS@reddit
Honestly, I prefer a bastardized St. Louis Style.
I like the sweeter sauce but require mozzarella, provel is a sin.
HonestBass7840@reddit
I don't understand understand why Southerns put so much sugar in their ice tea. They tied to pass laws that ice tea can only be sweet.
CODMAN627@reddit
Pizza
koubenlin@reddit
Pizza, NY vs Chicago
cardifan@reddit
Burritos - Northern v. Southern California
balthisar@reddit
Iced tea. You can have a nice glass of awesome tasting tea, or give yourself diabetes if you live in the south.
rene-cumbubble@reddit
Diabetes is the goal of most Southern foods. For every good food the South is known for (all of which cause diabetes), there's 5 additional Southern foods that are gross (and will also cause diabetes).Ā
Master-Collection488@reddit
Or Canada. I strongly suspect that sweet ice tea got there via the Underground Railroad.
Southerners: Most of us yankees put sugar in our iced tea. Unlike y'all, we let the drinker decide if they want it and how much.
Hawk13424@reddit
Without the sugar itās just dirty water.
CaptainA1917@reddit
Thanksgiving ādressingā vs thanksgiving āstuffingā is radically different and almost unrecognizable from the northeast vs the south.
BBQ (meats/techniques/sauces) is extremely regional.
What most people think of as āMexicanā food is really Tex-Mex, which is very different from New Mexican Mexican food.
marklikeadawg@reddit
NC bbq, Eastern style vs Lexington style.
rene-cumbubble@reddit
Stopped at Lexington BBQ in Lexington NC in 2018 and it may have been the most disappointed I've ever been in a BBQ meal (except for the vinegar sauce). I still don't understand how chopped or pulled pork became the standard pretty much everywhere for smoked pork meat that isn't ribs.Ā
thehomonova@reddit
putting nasty cole slaw on your BBQ vs delicious red slawĀ
marklikeadawg@reddit
You sound like my wife, lol. I hate the red slaw.
scott5280@reddit
New Mexico Green Chile vs Colorado Green Chile.Ā Ā
rawchess@reddit
Even Colorado folks will tell you they prefer Hatch over Pueblo
malpasplace@reddit
From Colorado, and the best chiles i have had were from New Mexico but were not Hatch. Hatch is the best marketed of NM green chiles but not the best by far. Pueblo are trying to be Hatch which just makes them a fanfiction chile, and yes, I have had better from farmers closer to Denver than Pueblo.
It makes me believe that civic pride here has little to do with quality. A fight for those who don't love chile.
CaleDestroys@reddit
Yeah, tons of farms by Lemitar and Soccoro that do it better than hatch nowadays, which makes sense considering the pepper was developed decades ago when the climate was different. Iād be willing to bet those Central NM farms have similar climate to Southern NM when the cultivars were created.
malpasplace@reddit
I hadn't thought about climates implications, but that rings true to me.
Kool_McKool@reddit
That's contested?
syncopatedchild@reddit
Only by Colorado. They keep trying to make Pueblo green chile a thing by endlessly saying it's superior to Hatch, but deep down, they don't even believe it.
Walrus_Eggs@reddit
Never even heard of Colorado green chili. This one exists only in the minds of Colorodoans.
MrAflac9916@reddit
āOnly existing in the minds of Coloradoansā actually explains a lot about Coloradoans
cantantantelope@reddit
Oh god thanks for reminding me I hadnāt had my family start on this shit for a few months so I was behind
FastAndForgetful@reddit
Itās no contest
HR_King@reddit
Clam Chowder: New England vs. RI vs Manhattan Cornbread: Southern vs Northern
c_galen_b@reddit
This is extremely local, but people in Pennsylvania will come to blows over Washington Borough tomatoes. My dad would have starved to death before he would have eaten a tomato sandwich with anything other than Washington Borough tomatoes- preferably from The Tomato Barn. He would grudgingly eat tomatoes from other farms, but they had to be inside Washington Borough lines. I made the mistake of trying to grow some from seeds across the river from Washington Borough, and you would have thought I was a heretic.
shicacadoodoo@reddit
Mac n cheese, BBQ, gumbo, potato salad, cornbread
robinredrunner@reddit
NYC vs. Chicago vs. New Haven --> Pizza
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
Where even is New Haven? I've never heard of that place mentioned until today,how is their pizza different?
Round_Walk_5552@reddit
Btw I want tell you something about Chicago pizza even many Americans donāt realize, Chicago style pizza for chicago locals is tavern style thin crust pizza, thatās what they eat on the regular, deep dish is more of a speciality, special occasion or when they have tourists visit them type thing
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
I don't understand why people hate deep dish so much, I tried it once and actually enjoyed it. Now, calling pizza "pie" actually makes sense! š¤£
AdmiralAkbar1@reddit
It's almost entirely one-sided hate by New Yorkers and people who watch too much Jon Stewart.
TrynnaFindaBalance@reddit
It's because it's probably the most "different" of all the pizza styles, so it gets picked on more. It's also very heavy on the stomach and it's pretty challenging to make from scratch compared to normal pizza. But yes, it tastes great.
Round_Walk_5552@reddit
If you eat mansaf every day you will be asleep all the time
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
Now there's a good cultural analogy! š
Round_Walk_5552@reddit
I think itās good and most people in Chicago like it on special occasions but not every day.
TehLoneWanderer101@reddit
I went to Chicago last year and had both styles.
I liked both styles. It's pizza lmao
Norwester77@reddit
New Haven is in Connecticut.
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
That explains why I've never heard of it! I'm non-American, so I haven't been there or met anyone from there
phantomofsolace@reddit
It's also where Yale is located. That's its main claim to fame.
For most Americans, the rivalry is between NYC and Chicago pizza. Relatively few people think about New Haven pizza (my apologies to the OC).
pnk_lemons@reddit
Itās not even really a rivalry. Chicagoans donāt eat deep dish in a regular basis. You mostly eat it when out of town guests visit and want to try it.
Bright_Ices@reddit
New Havenās is called apizza. Itās a long-fermented, wood-fired, usually oblong pie with a thin chewy crust and not much cheese ā mozzarella is an optional topping than can be sprinkled on.Ā
MonsieurRuffles@reddit
But not all tomato pie is apizza. Itās a totally different thing in and around Philly.
Bright_Ices@reddit
True. NJ/PA tomato pie is more like focaccia topped with a simple tomato sauce and a sprinkle of Parmesan (apizza also comes with a sprinkle of parm). Usually served room temp.Ā
Herr_Poopypants@reddit
White clam apizza Is the specialty
jephph_@reddit
New Haven is in Connecticut. About 60 miles outside of NYC
They have two or three good pizza restaurants but have somehow now made these restaurants into being the Pizza Capital of America
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robinredrunner@reddit
To be fair, Connecticut has to make a lot of noise to get noticed in general.
ktn24@reddit
Connecticut. It's usually cooked in a coal-fired oven, the crust is slightly charred on the outside and still chewy on the inside.
young_trash3@reddit
It's in Connecticut. They sell a cold fermented thin crust dough, charred in a coal heated oven.
sweetbaker@reddit
New Haven is in Connecticut
Conchobair@reddit
It's really just NYC vs. Chicago. The US as a whole doesn't really register what New Haven pizza is.
Rollingprobablecause@reddit
TBH California pizza is just the real italian wood fired pizza. So it's more akin to Italy than anything american. There's a lot of italians that settled here in the vineyards and fishing industries so there's a lot of native italians that continue to immigrate here, where as NYC/Chicago is more of a unique dispora which make it much more unique to me (I am from Padua in italy so it's fascinating!)
jamaicanmecrazy1luv@reddit
yeah but chicago doesnt even identify with the deep dish as much as their tavern style, which is great
Rtn2NYC@reddit
For real.
ixamnis@reddit
Not to mention Detroit style pizza vs Colorado style pizza vs all the other local styles.
Parking_Champion_740@reddit
I have not heard of CO style pizza! Detroit pizza is currently all the rage here in CA
DepressedPancake4728@reddit
i live in CO and also have not heard of CO style pizza. NY on top of
ixamnis@reddit
Colorado style pizza is basically Beau Jo's pizza. A thick crust edge, but thinner in the center with ample toppings.
Horror-Box-6014@reddit
It's cheesesteaks in the tri-state area of Philadelphia.
Accomplished_War_805@reddit
Green chile: New Mexico vs Colorado. Colorado is delusional in thinking they can compete with Hatch and God's personal picking patch.
Rollingprobablecause@reddit
Colorado doesn't want to be lumped in with the midwest but man the food is so bland there.... I think Green Chili is their way of adding some spice though.
Love you Denver peeps but damn...
rawchess@reddit
Hatch chiles are just on a different level. Cheap, not-super-fresh bag I bought from some random Safeway in LA still the tastiest peppers I've ever had
Kool_McKool@reddit
We literally won the Chile war of 2019. Funniest moment of that year honestly.
haileyskydiamonds@reddit
Hatch > all.
DontBuyAHorse@reddit
Personally I think Lemitar has become the best in recent years. But we are talking a relatively short geographic distance.
But the important thing is that anyone defending Pueblo chile is just objectively wrong. Wrong side of the mountains. Those just aren't the conditions for good green chile.
MrBrightWhite@reddit
Even further, red vs green. I feel like red is more popular in the north and green is more in the south.
JingJang@reddit
I lived in Colorado for 23 years and...
You are right.
Colorado makes excellent green chili, but New Mexico continues to perfect it.
Frequent_Cap_3795@reddit
There are several categories of competition we can discuss here. You're probably thinking of regional variations of a single distinct type of food.
In roughly descending order of rancor, these are the ones we fight the most about:
1) Barbecue (I'm on Team Kansas City, but can tolerate Texas brisket).
2) Clam chowder (Team New England here. Tomato in chowder turns it into cioppino).
3) Chili (Texas-style chili con carne for me).
4) Pizza (Team New York. No pineapple.)
5) Gumbo/Jambalaya/ĆtouffĆ©e (Hold the okra, please.)
6) Ketchup on hot dogs (Yes, always. Dill pickle relish too.)
7) Tex-Mex vs New Mexican vs Sonoran/SoCal/Arizona style Mexican food.
(Arizona chimichangas and quesadillas for me, with guacamole and sour cream).
It's also the case that people disagree over different names for the same food:
- Grinder vs. submarine vs po-boy vs. hoagie vs. hero vs. wedge vs. spuckie
- Hoe-cakes vs johnny-cakes vs. fried mush vs. corn-pone
- Pancake vs. hotcake vs. griddlecake vs. flapjack
- Stuffing vs. dressing
- Pop vs. Soda vs. Coke (even for non-cola drinks)
Then there are dishes that are distinctly different, but tend to substitute for each other in different regional cuisines:
- Succotash/Lima beans vs. red beans vs. pinto/cowboy beans vs. Boston baked beans/navy beans
- Hush puppies vs. Parker House rolls vs. bolillos vs. bagels vs. buttermilk biscuits
- Hot dog vs. Bratwurst vs. Boudin vs. kielbasa/Polish sausage vs. White Hot/Weisswurst
Then there is stuff that is relished in a few places, and scarcely considered food everywhere else.
Okra. Calf-brain sandwiches. Menudo. Pig knuckles. Rocky Mountain Oysters/Calf Fries (calf testicles.) Lutefisk. Frito pie. Scrapple. Saladitos. Chitlins. Indian fry bread is the most unhealthy thing you can possibly eat, and shouldn't be considered real food, but it's fucking delicious.
Ytmedxdr@reddit
Don't forget the "same name, different food" category. Many of these are American / British oddities like biscuits for the fluffy American breakfast no-yeast "rolls" versus the British baked goods that Americans would call cookies. But there are a couple others I know of. Chop suey in parts of New England is a baked dish based on hamburger meat, macaroni and canned tomato of some kind. The rest of the country knows it as a Chinese-American restaurant staple (maybe not any more--I'm dating myself). This next one's also a parts of New England thing. Ask for a chocolate shake and you'll get what was called chocolate milk where I grew up (if you want it with ice-cream, ask for a frappe).
SpermicidalManiac666@reddit
Lobster rolls. In CT we do it right: hot lobster with drawn butter on a New England style hot dog roll. In the rest of coastal New England they use cold lobster with mayonnaise on the New England style bun. Iāve had a couple good versions of the cold style but overall no fucking thank you. Lobster should be hot with butter.
Rollingprobablecause@reddit
I will say there's quite a few places in boston that do this - I really enjoyed a place near north end (can't remember the name) but those rolls were ridiculous.
robinredrunner@reddit
I had a cold one in Boston years ago and it was $24 of meh. I have had multiple CT style ones since relocating here and every one of them blew my tighty whities off. I had my second cold one a few months ago and couldn't even finish it. Never again.
squarerootofapplepie@reddit
Yeah but at least the Maine style is probably using local lobster.
Trick-Caterpillar299@reddit
I never knew that a hot one was even a thing!
I had a cold one in Provincetown 13 years ago, on my first (only) visit to New England, and I'm still upset about how disappointed I was š
Guess now I can visit again!
Jets237@reddit
Completely agree. Why would you want your lobster cold with mayo...
howdidigetheretoday@reddit
isn't it crazy that CT is the state that does it right, when we don't even have lobsters any more? :(
Rollingprobablecause@reddit
I think actual real asian food on the west coast vs all the american fusion styles on the east coast. I watch a lot of east coast people from NY/Boston/Philly come to SF/LA/SD and complain they can't find good chinese food and what they really mean is General Tso chicken.
I mean, I am not complaining as I love both cuisines but always thought it was funny.
Grouchy-Display-457@reddit
Somewhere in the mix is clam chowder with milk or tomatoes, or MA vs.NY.
Carnegiejy@reddit
Pizza and BBQ.
DoctorWoe@reddit
New York vs Chicago pizza
Wooden_Cold_8084@reddit
That's not a pizza, it's a casserole!
DoctorWoe@reddit
https://youtu.be/pzXIpp59eoU?si=7JPKSrqBtILfBCUP
Parking_Aerie4454@reddit
Chiliābeans or no beans.
insofarincogneato@reddit
Pennsylvania Chicken and waffles and Southern chicken and waffles are literally two different dishes.Ā
goPACK17@reddit
Connecticut lobster rolls vs Maine lobster rolls
Wooden_Cold_8084@reddit
What's the difference?
goPACK17@reddit
Connecticut comes hot with drawn butter.
Maine is served cold with mayo and lemon on a buttered roll.
Wooden_Cold_8084@reddit
Maine, you wrong!
goPACK17@reddit
On a hot summer day in Portland on a dockside restaurant somewhere? Give me that chilled lobster along a cold Allagash anyday
jacksraging_bileduct@reddit
Hot dogs, at least what toppings.
minicpst@reddit
I live in Seattle.
Thatās an interesting dog. Though, I think it was the vegetarian dog that didnāt mix with the Seattle toppings. Iāll have to dry it again.
Normally? RELISH! And a touch of ketchup.
AvonMustang@reddit
I love ketchup but not on a hotdog.
BTW - Red Gold ketchup (basically just available in Indiana) is way better than Heinz or Hunts
jacksraging_bileduct@reddit
Iāve been a tried and true Heinz user for most of my life, but have to say I tried Red gold not to long ago and itās really good, Iād be happy with either.
Hunts is not anyoneās favorite that I know of.
Hawk13424@reddit
For me, chili, mustard, onions, cheese. The classic southern chili dog.
jacksraging_bileduct@reddit
Iām in the southeastern USA, and we donāt see cheese on the hotdogs much, a chili dog would be ketchup mustard chili and onions, sometimes slaw is added.
Hawk13424@reddit
I grew up in the south east. Often (but not always) had a little shredded cheddar. Maybe itās very regional.
MajorUpbeat3122@reddit
Has anyone mentioned unsweetened vs sweetened iced tea?
Intuitshunned@reddit
BBQ is definitely the answer, but we all win on that rivalry, so I'll submit 2nd place... Deviled Eggs.
RightingArm@reddit
Bagels from regions with jews vs. doughnut shaped bread from everywhere else.
Wooden_Cold_8084@reddit
Fuck bagels!
RightingArm@reddit
Says someone from fresno, where Iām sure the bagels are trash.
Wooden_Cold_8084@reddit
Bro, bagels don't even hold a candle to (insert any Mexican food item here)
They should not even be considered food
Fresh_Gas7357@reddit
Tex Mex. Texas and California consistently argue who wore it best.
Wooden_Cold_8084@reddit
Naw, CA is Mexican Mexican
Tex Mex hasn't been popular for a while
RonWill79@reddit
Barbecue for sure. Honorable mention beans/no beans chili.
squatting-Dogg@reddit
Mexican food ā¦ California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. Whoās the best?
Wooden_Cold_8084@reddit
Chicago and NYC are now trying to get in on the action (they won't)
Hell, different regions of CA can't even agree!
teramisula@reddit
Pizza - you got NY pizza, Connecticut pizza, Chicago āpizzaā, Detroit pizza, so many kinds of regional pizzas
Wooden_Cold_8084@reddit
Don't forget "Hawaiian" >_>
EmergencyRace7158@reddit
The Chicago vs New York pizza rivalry can be pretty heated. I like Chicago as a place way more than New York but imho the pastry they call pizza doesnāt hold a candle to thin crust.
Wooden_Cold_8084@reddit
It's ridiculous that Chicago/Chicagoans even think they're in the same league
theapplepie267@reddit
Right now new haven vs new york pizza seems to be a hot debate
Basic_Mud8868@reddit
Google āSouth Carolina BBQ mapā
jfellrath@reddit
Either beans or no beans in chili, or pizza styles (usually New York or Chicago style, when everyone knows that Detroit-style is the best one. ;) )
Careful-Program8503@reddit
The Reuben Sandwich has two places that claim origin and are made two very different ways (the Nebraska version and the NYC version).
Ytmedxdr@reddit
Please, tell me what's on a Nebraska Reuben?
Careful-Program8503@reddit
Nebraska - Corned Beef, marble rye, thousand island dressing, sauerkraut and swiss.
NYC - sliced beef (half of the time is pastrami not corned beef, about 50/50), regular rye bread, Russian dressing (this is the biggest difference), sauerkraut, swiss.
Ytmedxdr@reddit
Thanks!
rimshot101@reddit
Duke's Mayonnaise and Hellmann's Mayonnaise where I live.
GlitteryPusheen@reddit
What type of syrup to put on pancakes.
Pure maple is the correct answer.
The corn syrup concoction that the rest of you heathens put on pancakes is a crime against nature.
DefrockedWizard1@reddit
I use jam
PurpleToad1976@reddit
If you've never tried it, try pure black walnut syrup at some time.
garden_dragonfly@reddit
I don't think that's an argument so much as a function of cost and availabilityĀ
Bright_Ices@reddit
Who even does that?! (Ok, I admit it: I grew up on Mrs. Butterworth, but as soon as I attained independence? Maple syrup all the way. There is no competition.)
SideEyeFeminism@reddit
As someone who prefers the more natural option almost every time I have a confession: I canāt do real maple syrup. Something about it tastes weird. Like itās too much. Itās like eating straight molasses to me bc itās so overpowering
Bright_Ices@reddit
Entirely fair. I have similar issues with honey. It has its place, but it should stay there.Ā
EdPozoga@reddit
Have you seen the prices for real maple syrup?ā¦
Kool_McKool@reddit
Cheaping out and buying something of poor quality.... how American of you.
Bright_Ices@reddit
Iām on SSDI and itās well worth it to me. My local store (which is a Kroger subsidiary) has 8 oz Grade A Amber or Dark Robust Maple syrup for $5.49 this week. We might, might finish an 8oz bottle in a year.Ā
appleparkfive@reddit
I think a lot of people just haven't had actual maple syrup. It costs a lot more, so they just never had it growing up. I do think most people would definitely prefer the real thing.
Kool_McKool@reddit
Maple was the syrup God intended man to put on his pancakes. Corn syrup was made by scientists who had no business playing God. Stop putting Satan's syrup on your pancakes.
Form1040@reddit
Try that bourbon-barrel-aged maple syrup you can get at Costco.Ā
Oh, man.Ā
GlitteryPusheen@reddit
That's perfectly acceptable!
agoddamnlegend@reddit
This isnt a rivalry. The corn syrup stuff is just a cheap alternative for people that donāt care that much.
I donāt think anybody would argue Aunt Jemima is better than real maple syrup.
Itās like saying thereās a rivalry between diamonds and cubic zirconium
Hawk13424@reddit
I like fresh cane syrup sometimes as well as sorghum.
opheliainwaders@reddit
Sometimes when I know weāre going out to breakfast at a place that is unlikely to have itā¦I bring my own.
Agreeable-Review2064@reddit
Pizza is a big one
Jefffahfffah@reddit
Connecticut has best pizza. I will not hear out any arguments otherwise. NYC and NJ have good pizza, but nothing beats Sally's or the original Frank Pepe's in New Haven.
Aggressive-Pilot6781@reddit
Gumbo and Jambalaya in Louisiana between New Orleans and the rest of the state. Cajun vs Creole. Creole uses tomatoes and Cajun does not. Cajun is correct.
Gwsb1@reddit
Calling food cooked outside on a grill "barbeque".
No fool! That's a cook out. Barbecue is pork cooked for hours over smoke.
MarchogGwyrdd@reddit
New Hampshire favors a hearty, dark amber maple syrup but those pricks in Vermont like light Amber grade a fancy.
ICTOATIAC@reddit
Iāll put biscuits and gravy into the ring.
I grew up on a farm in TN. Live in Utah now. I literally can almost not get any of the āgravyā you find here down my throat.
Past the already covered pizza and barbecue.
read110@reddit
I recently saw a thread from a woman who lived in New Haven Connecticut claiming that she was in San Diego and all the pizza was terrible. because New Haven is "pizza city USA". so I went and looked at pizza from New Haven, and just visually I wasn't impressed. So I'm gonna say that It absolutely would be a huge rivalry if anyone in the country knew that people in New Haven were living in their own universe.
teslaactual@reddit
Chicago vs new york pizza
Ambitious-Break4234@reddit
There are 2 related to sugar. Does it go in cornbread? Does go on grits?
goldentriever@reddit
Memphis BBQ is the best BBQ and Chicago pizza isnāt real pizza. Thatās all Iāll say
Otherwise-External12@reddit
I'd assume Chilli there has to be a huge difference between a bowl of Texas Red and what I make in Minnesota. Mine is grounded beef, tomato puree, black beans, cumin and chili powder. Really mild not spicy. I'm curious as to what people in other parts of the US and the world put in theirs.
ConoXeno@reddit
In the northeast, there are decidedly different takes on both chowder and lobster rolls.
Delli-paper@reddit
New England (cream based) vs New York (tomato based) clam chowder. Rhode Island (water based) pretends to be relevant.
Pandaburn@reddit
Chicken and dumplings.
There are two or three different styles and each will cause someone used to one of the others to say āthose arenāt dumplingsā.
positivepeercult_@reddit
In Cincinnati thereās a huge rivalry between gold star chili and skyline chili.
Every other state agreed theyāre both gross and itās why we are the medium place
ChaosNDespair@reddit
People seem to get in an uproar about what real chili is.
JeanBonJovi@reddit
Chowder. We in new England do it right with milk and cream based. New Yorkers make it with tomatoes...wtf.
Aggravating-Shark-69@reddit
Whatās the difference between the Cuban sandwich with Miami and Tampa?
cucumberswithanxiety@reddit
Tampa has salami!
FlyingTexican@reddit
They better fucking not
Aggravating-Shark-69@reddit
Yeah, thatās weird. I guess Iāve never gotten a Cuban over in Tampa.
Dr_ChimRichalds@reddit
Stronger Italian presence in Tampaāit tracks.
Everyone seems to forget Key West, where it originated. It's the most different. No salami, and the only place where mayo, lettuce, and tomato are all expected.
squarerootofapplepie@reddit
I thought it originated in Tampa, according to all the Tampa people on here.
Dr_ChimRichalds@reddit
I guess it's not well-documented enough to say definitively whether it was born in Tampa or Key West. I read a historian somewhere or other say Key West and it stuck with me.
Either way, it came to Miami by way of Tampa, hence Key West being left out of the argument.
DontCallMeMillenial@reddit
It's not really, though. It came about because early in the city's history the primary populations were italians and cubans and they combined their foods into a sandwich that everyone liked.
Norva13x@reddit
It's the correct way to make it.
Pearsecco@reddit
The superior Cubano (although I will happily eat a Cuban sandwich in Miami!)
SpermicidalManiac666@reddit
Salami
Pathfinder_Dan@reddit
It's Chili.
Most people assume it's Texas that's got it's own thing going on with Chili but really it's just a matter of using beans or not and nobody really cares.
The real cultural divide is between all of America and Cincinnati. The devil himself opened an upscale greasy spoon called Skyline that serves some very dubious foodstuffs they have the audacity to call Chili as though they don't believe anything in life could possibly be sacred, over spaghetti noodles of all things and topped with an amount of cheese that somehow is gross and I didn't even know that was an option for the human palette.
Good people of Ohio, I want you to know I don't blame you for that unholy abomination. Just know this: Chili is not supposed to be sweet on it's own and it has no business hanging out with some noodles. That's an abusive relationship and the victim was my tastebuds.
If you want some sweet kicker with your Chili, you pour it over a cinnamon roll like the Lord intended and taught the good people of Nebraska. Yeah, it's whackadoodle, but it works somehow.
draggar@reddit
New England clam chowder vs. Manhattan claim chowder.
.. then there's Rhode Island's clam chowder. And yet, even Rhode Island can't decide on one type. One is more like a soup (not cream / milk and not tomatoes) and the other (a.k.a. Portuguese clam chowder) is like Manhattan with linguica.
HairyEyeballz@reddit
As a Marylander, it came as a real shock to me the first time I encountered boiled crabs.
oldcreaker@reddit
Hot dogs
RoundandRoundon99@reddit
Barbecue.
ImaRaginCajun@reddit
I know in south Louisiana it's gumbo. If you don't make it exactly like their grandma did, you're absolutely doing it wrong lmao.
Kittenlovingsunshine@reddit
Cornbread: northern style vs southern style.
MatthewSBernier@reddit
If you put mayonaise on a Maine Italian, they'll never find your grave.
MaddoxJKingsley@reddit
Ranch vs blue cheese on wings. Buffalonians are generally very adamant that bleu cheese is the way to go, while those outside Buffalo always seem to prefer ranch. I think the reason is that places here will always serve freshly made chunky bleu cheese while in other places, they get the generally weirder-tasting bottled stuff. Bottled blue cheese dressing is not at all what Buffalonians are referring to when they say they prefer bleu cheese.
Apprehensive-Pin518@reddit
north vs south. stuffing vs dressing.
soonerpgh@reddit
Pizza and barbecue, not necessarily in that order.
lonelygayPhD@reddit
Manhattan vs. New England clam chowder. I grew up in MA...very sad when you go to get yourself a creamy white clam chowder and instead find a tomato-based variant.
Affectionate_Page444@reddit
Don't put beans in your chili in Texas. š³ I learned that the hard way.
dirty_corks@reddit
South of the Mason-Dixon line, it would be barbecue styles (beef brisket vs. pork vs. poultry, varying sauces, woods for smoking, rub mixes, and technique). North of the Mason-Dixon, pizza (NY style vs. Chicago deep-dish vs. Detroit vs. Tavern, etc).
In both cases there's obvious also-rans (sorry, Alabama, but mayonnaise isn't a basis for barbecue sauce. And Chicago, while deep-dish is delicious, it's a casserole and not a pizza), but amongst the front-runners, there's a lot of good to be had.
Rtn2NYC@reddit
Not a preparation but... Northern and southern Nee Jersey fight over what they call their gross breakfast ham.
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
Gross breakfast ham?
MonsieurRuffles@reddit
Pork Roll - called Taylor Ham in North Jersey and merely pork roll in South Jersey. Central Jerseyans can go either way.
MerbleTheGnome@reddit
The label on the Taylor brand actually says "Pork Roll"
We should just call it Jersey Breakfast Meat
MonsieurRuffles@reddit
True, Taylor is just a brand of pork roll. They originally called it Taylor ham but it doesnāt meet the legal definition of ham so they had to stop.
MerbleTheGnome@reddit
I don't think it was ever called "Taylor Ham", but rather "Taylor's Prepared Ham", so the North Jersey folks are double wrong.
/pedantic
GimmeADumpling@reddit
Clam chowder! Rhode Island (clear, Britney) vs. New England (thick, creamy) vs. Manhattan (tomato-based). IMO, RIās is the best though!
No-Pangolin7516@reddit
Cincinnati somehow got the idea to put chili on spaghetti. Not really sure where that idea comes from, but itās terrible.
brookish@reddit
Mexican food in Northern v Southern California is a hot one.
SideEyeFeminism@reddit
Oof and thatās not even getting into California v Texas
SideEyeFeminism@reddit
Chili. I feel like we donāt talk enough about chili. Itās such a point of contention that there are entire chili cookoffs in neighborhoods to determine the superior composition. And donāt even get started on beans vs no beans
Interesting_Claim414@reddit
There is an eternal fight between Chicago and New York over who has the best pizza. The right answer is NYC.
harpejjist@reddit
Pizza is all out war. Toppings and crust. Hot dogs and bbq also.
FredsIQ@reddit
Iām was born and raised in Donaldsonville (small town enclosed on three sides by the Mississippi River, Bayou Lafourche and sugarcane farms) and my family makes two basic kinds of gumbo: seafood or chicken (or turkey) and sausage. We make the seafood one about five times more often than the meat one. The seafood one HAS okra with shrimp, crab and/or lump crabmeat, and, most of the time, oysters. FilĆ© is added and usually to your bowl, too. The meat gumbo DOES NOT have okra but also is heavy on the filĆ©. Neither have tomatoes (blasphemy!!) in any form, nor do they have what I hear here in Mississippi called āThe Trinityā of onions, bell peppers and celery. I had never heard of the trinity until I moved to Mississippi (although itās popular in New Orleans, apparently) and of course Iād seen restaurants put bell peppers in their gumbo, but we donāt. Our gumbo is very basic but flavorful, just like our jambalaya-nothing green (like bell peppers) or red (like tomatoes or tomato sauce) in our jambalaya. Now Iām hungry!
sirlafemme@reddit
Juicy Lucy!!!!
Just_Me1973@reddit
In the northeast thereās New England and Manhattan clam chowder. Manhattan is wrong. End of story.
coyotenspider@reddit
Chesapeake Bay has itself own kind. I think New England wins, sadly.
Just_Me1973@reddit
New England is definitely the best. Iām in Massachusetts so Iāve been eating it all my life.
Ok-Signal-8295@reddit
Sweet vs unsweetened tea
coyotenspider@reddit
Amen!
SimpleVegetable5715@reddit
BBQ and Pizza.
Automatic_Mirror_825@reddit
Italians in America trying " Amer- talian" food. They hate it!
coyotenspider@reddit
So do I!
Callaloo_Soup@reddit
The fight between New England and Chesapeake Bay crabs.
I like the seafood better in Maryland not only because of the seasoning but even when prepared the same, the crabs in particular taste better to me.
Themoopabides@reddit
I live in NE and I didnāt know we caught enough crab for a rivalry with anyone. For fun I went lobstering on a buddyās boat, never really thought of crab.
Callaloo_Soup@reddit
I miswrote in that first sentence. I meant between New England vs Chesapeake seafood in general.
I know some foodies who wonāt tire arguing whether the lobster in Maine is better than the blue crabs for example.
I personally prefer the stuff in Chesapeake, especially the crabs, so I was Freudianly thinking crabs when I meant to say seafood.
Streamjumper@reddit
We catch some, but Chesapeake just has way more, and better. No argument from anyone in the know there. I think they're in the best temperature band for some of the better species to eat (excepting stuff like the arctic species), and the bay's ecology probably plays into things in some other capacities.
Similar reason as to why Maine has the best lobster. Best water temps and conditions for the tastiest species of em and the numbers necessary.
Themoopabides@reddit
Thanks!
therealDrPraetorius@reddit
Chili. Beans? Tomatoes? Thems fightin' words, Pilgrim.
Flimsy_Security_3866@reddit
Look at different regional hot dog styles in the U.S. e.g. Chicago dog, Sonoran hot dog, Seattle dog. The list goes on.
qban2010@reddit
You have no idea how serious this is!!!!!!
qban2010@reddit
Cuban sandwich between Miami and Tampa! Btw, Miami wins!!!!!!
boomming@reddit
There are some places that smother their grits in cheese, and some places that make grits edible. There is no overlap between these two. I donāt think grits should have any cheese at all, but a minimal amount is fine. But some places cover the grits with so much cheese itās all you can see. Also, shrimp and grits, which is the best grits dish, is a breakfast food, not dinner.
pocketbookashtray@reddit
Chowder
cozy_pantz@reddit
Mac & cheese
MihalysRevenge@reddit
Green Chile New Mexico vs Everyone that is wrong (cough Colorado)
FirstBarber5688@reddit
New Mexican cuisine is so underrated. New Mexico as a state is underrated in general. Absolutely beautiful place.
FirstBarber5688@reddit
Beans have no place in chili. I said it.
ZBLongladder@reddit
It's certainly not the biggest rivalry, but there's definitely a divide in the Jewish community between regular and sweet gefilte fish. Basically, gefilte fish was always a purely savory dish until sugar beets got introduced to Poland in the 19th century, which set off a craze of putting sugar in everything, of which the main survivor is sweet gefilte. (And sweet noodle kugel, but everyone eats that.) And then of course WWII happens and most Ashkenazi Jews move to either Israel or America. Apparently you can draw a line across Eastern Europe, and depending on which side of the line your ancestors came from you can tell whether you like sweet or non-sweet gefilte fish.
There's also some debate over whether matzah balls should be sinkers or floaters, but then again everyone's convinced that nobody can make matzah balls like their Bubbe and every other families' suck.
Familiar_Rip2505@reddit
Chilli, right down to the existential debate of "What is chilli?" or "that's not even chilli"
GreatGlassLynx@reddit
New England vs Manhattan Clam Chowder has to be a contender
StuckInWarshington@reddit
Itās not.
Streamjumper@reddit
Only a significant rivalry due to the passion with which the infidels must be smote. The victory was decided long ago with NE chowder being one of the most popular soups in the country and Manhattan being known for its crimes against the mollusks used to make it.
Ohohohojoesama@reddit
Pizza.
Obviously NJ is the best, NYC and Philly do pretty well and the Midwest still can't figure out what the hell pizza even is.
Round_Walk_5552@reddit
Well If you didnāt know already, people from Chicago donāt really confused deep dish style to be their go to or what they think of when they think Chicago style pizza, that that is a special occasion speciality thing or something they may have when they have out of towner visitors.
Chicago style pizza for locals is thin crust crust tavern style
Ohohohojoesama@reddit
Yeah I have absolutely heard that defense before and I can assure that still isn't pizza.
Kool_McKool@reddit
If tavern isn't pizza than I don't want to eat pizza.
Round_Walk_5552@reddit
To an actual Italian living in Naples, pizza in New Jersey is considered something totally different than the original pizza.
Ohohohojoesama@reddit
You have come to the wrong person trying to appeal to Italy as an authority on pizza.
Round_Walk_5552@reddit
Well in the eyes of the public you lost the argument because Italy uses the finest ingredients and technique compared to the northeast, itās obviously better pizza, you canāt think north east pizza is better than ITALY and expect people to take your opinion seriously that Chicago style pizza is trash, but New York pizza is the best in the world, just look at how your stomach reacts to the freshness of Italian pizza vs greasy New Jersey pizza
Ohohohojoesama@reddit
Bold of you to assume that I dislike the grease on pizza. The fact is pizza started as a regional dish from Naples, Italy writ large has no more claim to it than France has to "French" fries. Pizza didn't hit big globally until Italian-americans perfected it, and it's north-eastern pizza that's the flag ship. It doesn't matter whether deep-dish or tavern style is good, it doesn't follow the form or function of pizza.
Round_Walk_5552@reddit
Lmao š this comment deserves a post in r/italia and r/shitamericanssay , thatās too funny to even respond too.
Round_Walk_5552@reddit
š this comment deserves a post in r/italia and r/shitamericanssay , thatās too funny to even respond too.
Iāll just say Chicago pizza isnāt authentic but upholding northeast americano food as the gold standard of pizza is a joke, pizza comes from Italy and American pizza doesnāt touch it at all lol, thatās Yankee pizza.
Ohohohojoesama@reddit
I mean let's not pretend "fresh" pizza is any nutritionally different than other pizza. As far as your body is concerned it's cheese and tomato sauce on bread. You're doing this Jamie Oliver thing where "fresh" is automatically healthy and that means also more morally pure. It's misleading, more than a little dangerous and largely misses the point. The enjoyment we get from food is the experience, taste is a part of that and higher quality ingredients can help with that but won't always.
Northeastern pizza fits a wider variety of roles at higher quality than other types. That's why it's the style the world imitates.
Brick-Mysterious@reddit
I don't know what you mean by fitting "a wider variety of roles." Italian pizza was the original pizza and has many variations.
Ohohohojoesama@reddit
The role of a food is the context in which you are eating it, the genius to a northeastern pizza is it's a jack-of-all trades. The same pie from the same place can be good in a variety of situations. It's a good hang over cure cold, it's good at dinner with family after work, it's good when you've been out super late with friends, you can get different toppings on different halves for parties, you can grab a slice when you're in a rush. These things are not true about all pizzas, the more you fancy it up the less utility it has.
MonsieurRuffles@reddit
FYI, NJ has its own tavern style pizza which is distinct from the more common NY inspired style.
MonsieurRuffles@reddit
North Jersey native now living in the Philly area - while Philly has lots of good pizza places, it doesnāt have a real native pizza style with the exception of tomato pie. When I first moved here, many everyday pizza places served Greek-style pizza which was vastly inferior to your basic pizza place in NJ.
Squippyfood@reddit
Philly doesn't belong there, hell I'd put CT over it. Not saying it's crap but that is not a food even they take overt pride over.
Ohohohojoesama@reddit
They're not top of the game but still in what I'd call pizza. I haven't had enough ct pizza to make a call really, I don't get out there often enough.
count_strahd_z@reddit
Love me some Jersey Shore boardwalk pizza.
guywithshades85@reddit
New York vs Chicago Pizza and Chicago is wrong.
Kool_McKool@reddit
You put cheese on cardboard and call it a pizza. Chicago makes a meal for the whole family that's deliciousness upon deliciousness.
That goes for both tavern and deep dish.
Plus_Description7725@reddit
Chicago pizza is actually thin crust tavern pizza but no one will tell you that
Fahernheit98@reddit
NY Pizza is soggy floppy grease.Ā
Joferd@reddit
New Mexico and Colorado practically go to war over green chile.
Kool_McKool@reddit
We had a war. Colorado took a poll on their website... New Mexico won.
VioletJessopTravelCo@reddit
Pizza. New York style vs Chicago style. New York style is where it's at, Chicago style is just dyslexic pizza (in my opinion as someone who has dyslexia).
Ear_Enthusiast@reddit
Pizza and barbecue. With both, nobody outside of each cuisineās region can make it quite like they do where itās from. They do it very differently from region to region and there is constant debate on which region does it best.
IMO, NC does the best BBQ, and everything else is pretty much smoked pork with ketchup on it. Texas is the exception. I put Texas BBQ in its own category because they rely so heavily on beef while everyone else does pork. I do love Texas style BBQ.
As far as pizza, in saying if itās done right I prefer Chicago. Itās pretty much a pizza casserole, but a lot times itās just way too much bread.
Plus_Description7725@reddit
Kansas city bbq ftw
saksnoot@reddit
Pizza (NY vs Chicago especially), hotdogs, and bbq come to mind. You could make a case for burgers or maybe lobster rolls in the Northeast. Iām sorry but New England vs Manhattan clam chowder isnāt a rivalry; itās about as one-sided than a Pats-Jets game from Bradyās time.
verifiedkyle@reddit
I live in the TriState area which is basically the areas surrounding New York City. The biggest rivalries around this area are pizza and bagels.
People will argue what state does them better and then which places locally are best. I just love that we have so many good options. I never knew bagels sucked so bad across the rest of the country until I got older and travelled more.
Turgius_Lupus@reddit
Colorado is in eternal war with new Mexico over Green Chille.
Though I'm not sure whether there is a difference in preparation as both are good.
505backup_1@reddit
Hatch definitely is far more favorable
PeopleOverProphet@reddit
New York, Michigan, and Illinois with die defending NY, Detroit, or Chicago pizza. š
bl4klotus@reddit
In CT and NYC people get really opinionated about pizza, and think deep dish is an abomination, and thick crust is controversial
EinsteinDisguised@reddit
The biggest one is definitely pizza.
An underrated one is Miami Cuban sandwiches vs. Tampa Cuban sandwiches.
The heathens in Tampa put salami on it. The salami doesnāt make the sandwich any better. It just makes it taste like salami.
issafly@reddit
Sugar or salt on your grits?
JerichoMassey@reddit
you mean like Bojangles vs Popeyes?
brailsmt@reddit
Barbecue. Every other answer is incorrect.
ladybugcollie@reddit
BBQ wars between memphis, kc, alabama (white sauce? oh the humanity), texas, and north carolina
SquashDue502@reddit
Eastern vs Western bbq sauce within the state, OR state by state bbq styles will have fists flying lol
DeliciousBeanWater@reddit
Dispute between pittsburgh area and maine over who created gobbs (whoopie pies). It was pa
maxman1313@reddit
The only correct answer is barbecue. There's 13 main regional types.
ivhokie12@reddit
BBQ adjacent, but Virginia vs Georgia Brunswick Stew.
Averagecrabenjoyer69@reddit
I think you mean Kentucky Burgoo
GobliNSlay3r@reddit
Has to be ultra processed to being with.
DaddyCatALSO@reddit
Barbecue sauce, tomato-dominated vs. molasses-dominated vs. vinegar-dominated??????????????
fuzzybunnies1@reddit
Rochester and Syracuse with Zweigel's and Hoffman's hotdogs. Both make their own variation of white hot[dog]s and red hots, but both are fairly different. Hoffman's does make the better one and any Rochesterian who claims otherwise is a damn liar. Utica also has their own variation of Reds and Whites but no one cares. Not certain the white hot style exists anywhere else and they're fairly unique to central NY.
Averagecrabenjoyer69@reddit
BBQ sauce in the South. Split between vinegar based like Carolina style popular in the Upper South like North Carolina, Virginia, Kentucky, and a lot of Tennessee vs sweet style sauce like Memphis and Kansas City style, as well as some Texas style popular in the Deep South parts of the Upper South like Arkansas and Southern Missouri.
FloridaInExile@reddit
I promise you that no one in South Florida thinks of Tampa until reminded they exist up there.
Itās much like the one-sided rivalry between LA and the Bay Area. When youāre the center of the universe for your region, youāre not contemplating #2
greybedding13@reddit
BBQ in the Kansas City metro. You could also expand that to KC vs Memphis vs Texas vs Carolina in no particular order
Bill837@reddit
First time this New England boy saw clam chowder colored red, it just convinced me even further that nothing outta New York is right... :)
Also don't pick fights with Marylanders over crab anything...... :)
IChooseJustice@reddit
The real answer is bbq. There is no question there. But that is pretty broad and has a number of factions. Chili is possibly a close second, mostly because there is a lot of debate around what can even be considered chili. I would posit the following as honorable mentions:
Alert-Industry6217@reddit
Barbeque....Texas vs Kansas vs Memphis....Texas has the best in my opinion
MonkeyThrowing@reddit
Maryland crab soup vs all of the loser crab soups.Ā
pprn00dle@reddit
Crab cakes too! Even when places say theyāre āMaryland style crab cakesā, theyāre not.
UsernameStolenbyyou@reddit
"Manhattan style" clam chowder shouldn't exist, according to the majority of New England. And rightfully so.
Nicolas_Naranja@reddit
Kind of a new one in South Florida. Columbian Arepas vs Venezuelan Arepas. I prefer the Columbian. There are strong feelings about Florida avocados vs Hass avocados.
A_Is_For_Azathoth@reddit
Kansas City, Memphis, Texas and Carolina barbecue. They're all different and all good in their own ways, but good god do people get bent out of shape about it.
Delicious_Oil9902@reddit
Theyāre both kinda terrible but patās and genos in Philly
WarZone2028@reddit
The Carolina/KC/Texas Barbecue wars. I live in Texas and it's even divided regionally. I was born in one part of Texas but I've lived most of my adult life in a different region. I matriculated in yet a third distinctly different region of the state.
IMakeOkVideosOk@reddit
Pizza is a big one. There are several regional varieties mostly based on cities. We got New York style, Chicago deep dish, Chicago tavern style, Detroit style, New Haven style, and a few other styles as well.
rainbowkey@reddit
The biggest rivalries of styles are in pizza styles, barbecue sauce types, hot dog condiments, and styles of chili (the stew).
Parking_Champion_740@reddit
Probably something like homemade macaroni and cheeseā¦velvets or no, eggs or no
Weskit@reddit
The two main ones in the south: What is barbecue, and Should cornbread contain sugar
AimeeSantiago@reddit
The towns of Brunswick, South Carolina and Brunswick Georgia have a lot to say about which town invented/has the best Brunswick stew. The good news is that everything can go in Brunswick stew and it's still amazing. I know meat is the highlight of most BBQs, but Brunswick stew mixed with Mac and Cheese is the ultimate BBQ side dish in my humble opinion.
Colorado_Car-Guy@reddit
Every year there's a big ol green Chile fight/debate between pueblo colorado (pueblo chile) and hatch New Mexico (hatch chile)
beermeliberty@reddit
Banana pudding is a hot topic in North Carolina
marticcrn@reddit
Barbeque. Every region has one version they proclaim the best. California - tri tip roast. Kansas City - ribs. Texas - brisket, North Carolina - pork
kshucker@reddit
Philly cheesesteak vs NY chopped cheese
AiReine@reddit
New York versus New England versus Rhode Island clam chowder (Tomato, cream and clear broth respectively.)
Connecticut is the only place in New England that offers marinara sauce on their fried dough where every other state just does powdered sugar.
Ok_Cantaloupe_7423@reddit
New England clam chowder vs whatever the hell that other crap is
Morall_tach@reddit
Barbecue between at least half a dozen regions. Pizza between New York and Chicago mostly, but also a few smaller types.
ScotchEnthusiast888@reddit
Cornbread. Unsweet (correct) vs. Sweet (incorrect)
Sea-End-4841@reddit
Casserole vs Hotdish. BTW itās a Hotdish
clanec69@reddit
Wisconsinās Old Fashioned is very unique. Brandy not bourbon, Sprite or 7-Up, orange slice, maraschino cherries, maybe some bitters if itās a classy joint.
derickj2020@reddit
Chili. Bbq ribs. Chowder. Cornbread. Fried chicken. Hotdogs. Pizza. Etc.
irishlefty24@reddit
In New Jersey, we just argue over the name of a single product, which is prepared the same way whether you are from North Jersey or South Jersey (Central Jersey is an argument for another time...)
Pork Roll vs Taylor Ham | Taylor Ham History | Bagel Shop Names
nogueydude@reddit
In the USA, you cannot get good Mexican food outside of San Diego county.
SanchosaurusRex@reddit
Insane. LA has way more diversity and authenticity for Mexican food. Lots of great Mexican food in the Central Valley and deserts. San Diego Mexican-American food is pretty similar to AZ Mexican-American food.
nogueydude@reddit
Just gonna have to agree to disagree. The LA / SD taco shop superiority debate will go on until the end of time.
I think we can all agree both are far superior to the stuff they serve up in SF though.
SanchosaurusRex@reddit
Definitely better than SF, and SD wins with burrito shops. LA has every other Mexican cuisine and is a Mexican metropolis with a food scene that is a league of its own in the US. But it just cant do Mexican-American burritos the way SD (and AZ does).
Which sucks because a carne asada burrito might be my all time favorite comfort food.
nogueydude@reddit
That's a fair analysis. I won't argue š¤
Sabres00@reddit
For me in Buffalo, NY itās obviously the wings, but whatās odd is about 99% of the places in the area make wings better than everywhere else in the US, with a few exceptions. Itās just odd to me, theyāre so easy to make yet no one can get it right.
Prestigious_Pack4680@reddit
Barbecue. The sauces and when to apply it to which kind of meat varies from state to state and even city to city, and each variant is a religion to that place.
FrannyCastle@reddit
Hatch Green Chili in New Mexico and Colorado is a hotly debated topic.
StrangerKatchoo@reddit
Well itās not a food per se, but there is a huge competition in PA when it comes to gas station cuisine. Youāre either Team Sheetz or Team Wawa and youāll die in your chosen hill.
Then there are the Rutters weirdos but we ignore them.
weath1860@reddit
Wawa has migrated south and they have great subs I must say
HackedCylon@reddit
Chili (beans vs no beans), pizza (New York v Chicago), BBQ (sauce v dry rub v other sauce), Key Lime Pie (Don Cesar Hotel vs all inferior pies)
SCCock@reddit
BBQ in the south. BBQ sauce in SC!
PurpleAriadne@reddit
Chili and BBQ
TraditionalStart5031@reddit
BBQ sauce: Texas red, Carolina vinegarā¦Iām a vegetarian help me out here guys š I canāt remember all of them
TraditionalStart5031@reddit
Pizza!! New York vs. Chicago vs. Detroit
lawyerjsd@reddit
There are plenty, but iced tea comes to mind. In the South, Iced tea is sweetened like crazy, but everywhere else it doesn't have any sweetener.
annacaiautoimmune@reddit
Pizza
All-This-Chicanery@reddit
Peanutbutter and FLUFF not peanutbutter and jelly!
(Am from Massachusetts, we love the fluffanutter).
Highly_Regarded_1@reddit
Texans will die on this hill: chili has no beans or tomatoes.
pghhilton@reddit
Maybe it's me but hoagies served hot and toastie loaded with mozzarella and provolone mix.
And subs served cold. With lettuce tomato and Italian spices and oil.
I'll always take an Italian hoagie, or sausage or meatball hoagie. But I would rather have turkey sub.
All of them should have lettuce tomato and onions really. Except a steak hoagie. That has onions peppers and mushrooms grilled with the steak. Then covered in the mozzarella and provolone and toasted until the bread is crunchy and the cheese bubbly.
thatHecklerOverThere@reddit
... Probably pizza.
HereForTheBoos1013@reddit
It's actually the same food, but whether you call a processed meat product "Taylor ham" or "pork roll" can cause fights to break out between north and south Jersey.
I call it Taylor ham because I'm a transplant and it was first supplied to me by my JC raised significant other, and I'm not risking interrupting my supply or losing my relationship by calling it pork roll.
MonsieurRuffles@reddit
Iām from North Jersey and it wasnāt a big deal when I was growing up. Whatās funny is that my late MIL who was from Atlanta and lived In Delaware for most of her adult life called it Taylor ham and passed that on to my spouse even though they grew up in āpork rollā territory.
NorraVavare@reddit
Know what's really funny about this fight? "Taylor Ham" is a brand name, and "Pork Roll" is the generic. There are actually 3 Pork Roll manufacturers. Most people in North Jersey can't get any brand but Taylor. I'm partial to Case brand myself. Pretty much no one outside Trenton can get the third (which I can't even remember the name of).
Blaze0511@reddit
It's definitely pork roll....not Taylor Ham. š
YouCannotBeSerius@reddit
the most passionate food debates are about Pizza and BBQ.
the midwest and south argue about the best BBQ.
NYC, Chicago, and i guess Detroit? all claim to have the best pizza. and i think there's a place in New Haven Connecticut that also claims to have great pizza...but I'm not sure the whole country knows about that one. I've heard NYers talk about it though.
other than that, I've heard people debate who has the best Oysters. Seattle likes to brag about it, and NE states like Maine, Mass, Rhode Island, and NY are proud of their Oysters.
ElectricTomatoMan@reddit
Manhattan vs New England clam chowder
nirvanagirllisa@reddit
Sheetz and Wawa. Pennsylvania.
Oolon42@reddit
Dumplings: floaters vs. sinkers
Kooky_Improvement_38@reddit
This is a conversation about pizza
Initial-Fishing4236@reddit
Goulash; Hungarian vs beefaroni
TackYouCack@reddit
I thought I was the only one fighting that battle.
MunitionGuyMike@reddit
Iād say the different styles of pizza.
You got New York, Detroit, Chicago, Californian, Brooklyn, St-Louis, and Hawaiian.
Bright_Ices@reddit
Hawaiian is not a pizza style. Itās a topping combo invented in Canada in 1962.Ā
MunitionGuyMike@reddit
Itās a way to prepare pizza though
Bright_Ices@reddit
Ok, would you please inform me: Ā How do Hawaiians make pizza thatās a distinct style from other regional styles?Ā
Because (almost) any style of pizza can be made with ham and pineapple on top. Topping options are not a style.Ā
Hour_kind369@reddit
Pizza between CT and NY. I will die on the hill that New Haven pizza is far superior than NY. š¤·āāļø
shnanogans@reddit
Ooh I thought of another one! Sweet tea vs iced tea or āunsweet teaā as itās called in the south.
shnanogans@reddit
Probably pizza crust. Chicago - deep dish with the sauce on top or /crunchy thin tavern style cut into squares (I frickin hate tavern style. The squares make no sense. I donāt like the crunchy crust.) New York - thin and flexible Detroit- deep dish but also different than Chicago and the pizza itself is in a rectangular pan
FauxmingAtTheMouth@reddit
Cornbread, Yankees just make it wrong with all their hhhwheat flour and who knows what else kinda travesties they mix into a good ole batter of stone ground meal, buttermilk, salt, and some leavening
ForagerGrikk@reddit
LoL, you just started some huge fights.
Junkman3@reddit
Pizza. New York thin slice vs Chicago deep dish.
notmyrealnamefromusa@reddit
Pizza. New York City and environs (NJ and CT) against everyone else. And let's not get started with that Chicago stuff.
ConsiderationNo278@reddit
Pizza, and it's not even close.
Affectionate_Rice520@reddit
Pizza and Chicago pizza. Oneās pizza the other is, good, but something else.
MetzgerBoys@reddit
Pizza and hot dogs. There are so many varieties all over the country
No_Significance_8291@reddit
Anything southern or anything in the African American community- Also Italian food . An East coast Italian wouldnāt even consider say a West coast Italian has anything to bring to the table
NorraVavare@reddit
You kidding me, I had an east coast Italian try and tell me food in Italy isn't real Italian food. (I don't like Italian food and they were mortally offended).
toldimold58@reddit
Smoked vs Fresh kielbasa has divided even the closest Polish families.
Primary_Excuse_7183@reddit
BBQ meccas, NY vs Chicago pizza
WonderfulVariation93@reddit
There are MD crabs which are correctly prepared-steamed with Old Bay and then there are all the other coastal states who BOIL them (which is flat out heresy).
Thereelgerg@reddit
Some people from Philadelphia are far too invested in how you should make a steak and cheese sandwich.
PossibilityDecent688@reddit
North Carolina barbecue ā Eastern vs. Lexington-style.
FemboyEngineer@reddit
Ketchup-based vs. Vinegar-based pork barbecue... it's a serious deal
RedditSkippy@reddit
New England clam chowder versus Manhattan.
LLM_54@reddit
This isnāt a regional thing but more so a cultural thing. But African American baked Mac and cheese vs Caucasian American creamy Mac and cheese
Gab83IMO@reddit
Pizza toppings!!! People are so picky and have a passion or hate for certain ones.
chtrace@reddit
BBQ by a mile. It's all good but every region has "Their Way" and the rivalries are epic.
NewPresWhoDis@reddit
Mexican standoff of Texas - Kansas City - Carolina BBQ
Crafty_Quantity_3162@reddit
New England Clam Chowder vs Manhattan Clam Chowder.
And, no Rhode Island, that clear broth you serve doesn't count
solomons-marbles@reddit
Pizza, chili & BBQ
mlhuculak@reddit
Dukes or die
TMorrisCode@reddit
HOO BOY, letās kick over some ant hills.
Pizza styles. New York? Chicago? That abomination that passes as pizza in St. Louis?
BBQ? Texas? Kansas City? Memphis? That thing they do with mustard in the Carolinas that should be illegal?
Chili - beans or no beans? Iāve never even heard of putting it on noodles with cinnamon before today. I think Iāll pass.
Cornbread - do you eat it dry, or were you raised right on sweet cornbread?
(I am kidding, of course. Or am I? š)
Hungry-Opportunity12@reddit
Eastern vs Western NC BBQ. They are similar yet completely different, and im sure at some point in history somewhere someone has killed over it.
bagpipesfart@reddit
Texas Chili vs Other kinds of chili. Texans will insist beans donāt go in chili
Dry_Organization1165@reddit
I'd say Chicago vs NYC in pizza š š
foolproofphilosophy@reddit
Boston white clam chowder and NYC red clam chowder.
Norwester77@reddit
The west coast usually does white chowder, too. A red seafood soup will often be called a cioppino instead.
Bright_Ices@reddit
Cioppino is an entirely different stew with entirely different origins. Conflating it with Manhattan Clam Chowder is an insult to everyone involved.Ā
foolproofphilosophy@reddit
Iām outside of Boston so thereās a lot of Boston vs NYC.
OGMom2022@reddit
Sweet tea in the South. Unsweetened tea is for diabetics and heathens.
Bright_Ices@reddit
Unsweet tea FOREVERRRRR
laughingintothevoid@reddit
I once had a person from Philadelphia get up and leave a restaurant in Tennessee because we had a nontraditional riff on a cheesesteak on the menu.
Cheesesteak was in the name of the item which was his main sticking point, but the menu description said "our take on". š¤·š»āāļø
dartmouth9@reddit
Letās cross the border, New York bagels vs Montreal Bagels. NY - big and fluffy, MTL dense and chewy. I am team MTL.
And the big one does lettuce belong on a donair?
Bright_Ices@reddit
Lettuce belongs in the garbage.Ā
Give me all the other greens, which donāt make me feel like Iām trying to eat tissue paper.Ā
ubiquitous-joe@reddit
Itās not really a rivalry, I just want to point out that an Old Fashioned should be made with brandy, and the rest of you 49 states who disagree are wrong.
Bright_Ices@reddit
Thereās a reason itās called a Brandy Old Fashioned versus simply and Old Fashioned.Ā
Kielbasa_Nunchucka@reddit
I know of a huge gumbo schism in Louisiana, but the one that gets me is Northern vs Southern chili.
true chili apparently doesn't have beans in it, but for me, they're a must. I can't look at beanless chili and see anything other than hot dog sauce.
I live in Pittsburgh, so I guess I'm the one doing it wrong, but I don't care. gotta have them beans!
bunnygirlbeans@reddit
I live in Pittsburgh, so I guess I'm the one doing it wrong, but I don't care. gotta have them beans!
Ditto! If it doesn't contain beans, it's just meat soup.
nasa258e@reddit
Chicago and NY pizza. CA style is trash
SanchosaurusRex@reddit
California my whole life and I have no idea what CA style pizza is.
Acrobatic-Maybe-902@reddit
As a Bostonian our clam chowder vs Manhattanā¦ā¦
My wife is a Chicagoan her polish dogs vs Wisconsin bratsĀ
arya7255@reddit
Pizza: The difference between a good classic New York city pizza...and whatever it is Chicago claims is pizza...
internetsman69@reddit
Eastern North Carolina vs Western NC on BBQ
AdjectiveMcNoun@reddit
BBQ and Chili. Even region has its own version and every region knows theirs is the best and the others are wrong about how they prepare their's.Ā
GEEK-IP@reddit
Cincinnati "chilli" is an insult to the taste buds.
Bright_Ices@reddit
I like almost all foods, but that one is vile.Ā
MagnumPIsMoustache@reddit
White gravy vs brown gravy
quirkney@reddit
āAll the wayā for a burger or hot dog is a fun game.
I canāt help but feel like North Carolina has won at this. But Iām sure everyone has an opinion š
Bright_Ices@reddit
New Mexico wins, imo
smheath@reddit
"All the way" is a minefield, some places put slaw on it š¤®
weirdoldhobo1978@reddit
New England vs New York clam chowder.
NE is a cream based, French inspired soup and New York is a tomato based, Portugese inspired soup.
Lrxst@reddit
The UP of Michigan loves Cornish pasties. The ingredients are pretty consistent, but the big debate is whether to consume with ketchup or gravy.
Thuggish_Coffee@reddit
St. Louis ruined pizza
ballrus_walsack@reddit
Actual Pizza vs pizza casserole (Chicago) and other twisted forms.
big_data_mike@reddit
If you go to a barbecue (an event) at someoneās house that means youāre having smoked meat, usually pork.
If you go to someoneās house and have grilled hotdogs and hamburgers thatās called a cook out.
frog_poker_@reddit
Barbecue takes hundreds of forms across the states! Thereās a lot of variety in Mexican food as well, especially in the Southwest. I think in general, youāll find sandwich styles vary a lot across the country. Finally, I would say pizza selection can be very different, some places are famous for select styles, such as Chicago/Detroit style, NYC style, artsy california bbq chicken type stuff, etc.
MillieBirdie@reddit
Barbecue is the main one.
Next is pizza. New York vs Chicago are the main styles, but there's also Detroit style, the controversial Ohio style, and the lesser known but generally reviled Altoona style.
Cornbread with or without sugar.
Iced tea sweetened or unsweetened.
Whether a philly cheese steak has provolone, American cheese, or cheese whiz.
Gilamunsta@reddit
Gumbo - creole vs cajun
charlieq46@reddit
Green chilis from Colorado vs. New Mexico. We have Pueblos, they have Hatch and the debate on which is better can sometimes get... \~spicy\~ (nyuck nyuck nyuck)
Zziggith@reddit
Either BBQ or pizza
SmartphonePhotoWorx@reddit
Pizza?
itds@reddit
Hot Dogs. Chicago vs. All.
You donāt put ketchup on a hot dog. Itās disgusting.
Charming-Loan-1924@reddit
Ask Jon Stewart, his opinion on the Chicago deep dish.
Impossible-Owl-600@reddit
Chicago style pizza vs New York Pizza
MrRaspberryJam1@reddit
This isnāt necessarily a rivalry over how food is prepared, but along the East Coast the age old debate is over the name of a sandwich on a long roll is called. Itās sub vs. hero vs. hoagie vs. grinder, though there are some other regional variations too. In NY hero is the term most used, but where I live youāll also hear it referred to as a wedge.
BigDamBeavers@reddit
Pizza afficianados are like animals. God save you if you deliver Chicago deep dish to a NY Foldy pizza guy.
Esselon@reddit
It's not a rivalry but if you point out to people from Detroit that Detroit style pizza is just a Sicilian pizza with toppings they're going to freak out.
Some of them also think that Michigan invented diners.
nthat1@reddit
Maine vs. Connecticut style lobster rolls.
Comfortable-Study-69@reddit
Probably New York style pizza and Chicago style pizza.
Adept-Grapefruit-214@reddit
New England vs New York clam chowder
Prudent-Fruit-7114@reddit
Barbecue! I'm from North Carolina Given a plate of barbecued pork, I can tell within a 50-mile radius where it was made.
Hylian_ina_halfshell@reddit
Really depends on where you are in the US, as it is so big.
Clam Chowder between New York and Boston
Lobster Rolls in New England, CT style for the win
Pizza in NJ, CT and NY is a big one.
Philly vs everyone else on cheesteaks, they don't have fucking peppers on them people.
pinniped1@reddit
Barbecue for sure.
And I love good local barbecue joints in pretty much every region...
Emotional-Tailor3390@reddit
Pizza (Chicago Style vs New York, for example)
PorcelainTorpedo@reddit
Pizza, nationwide. New York, New Haven, Detroit, Chicago (both kinds), St. Louis, and on and on.
People get HEATED about which is best. My fat ass is sitting in the corner eating pizza while they argue. I celebrate and enjoy all of the regional types.
Americanski7@reddit
Orgin of the Cuban sandwich Tampa vs Miami
TrillyMike@reddit
*Key West
Americanski7@reddit
The battle wages on
TrillyMike@reddit
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Miami_Morgendorffer@reddit
Tampa needs to STOP thinking it can properly do anything Cuban.
drewcandraw@reddit
Pizza is a big oneāboth in terms of the way it is made and the techniques, as well as the toppings.
New York Pizza is a large, hand-tossed thin crust, often sold by the slice, which is large and is usually folded in half longways to eat. Chances are that this is the pizza in the mind's eye of most Americans when they think pizza.
I grew up in Chicagoland, and there are two styles laying claim to the area. There is deep dish, a buttery, cornbread crust cooked in a high-sided pan with a thick layer of cheese on the bottom, topped with sauce and toppings, and takes about 45 minutes to get to your table. Deep Dish is very heavy and viewed widely by locals as tourist fare. Tavern-style is lighter, cooks faster (10-15 minutes), and is more widely-consumed throughout the area. Its hallmarks are a cracker-like thin crust with toppings covering the entire surface of the pie and cooked to a deeper golden brown and cut into squares (party cut), rather than triangular slices.
Pepperoni is the most popular topping overall, but in Chicago the traditional topping is Italian Sausage.
Lots of other localities across the United States have their own regional nuances and idiosyncrasies about making pizza.
MamaSquash8013@reddit
Hot dogs
No_Dependent_8346@reddit
Pizza, between New York, Chicago and the dark horse Detroit (team Detroit all the way)
C5H2A7@reddit
Barbecue and chili come to mind.
hivemind_MVGC@reddit
Barbeque, pizza, and clam chowder all come to mind.
ThatAndANickel@reddit
I immediately thought BBQ because I live in the Carolina's. But when I was living in the Midwest, I might have jumped to pizza. Lastly, I'd say hot dogs.
SnoopySuited@reddit
Pizza. It's a debate between New York Pizza and all the wrong answers.
holymacaronibatman@reddit
Not so much how a dish is prepared, but PA has a big rivalry with gas station hoagies. The western half of the state prefers Sheetz and the eastern part of the state is Wawa.
iquire@reddit
The Tampa Cuban sandwich vs the Miami Cuban sandwich
chrispybobispy@reddit
Some people prefer there tater tot hot dish with the tots on the....ope nevermind, were all by ourselves up here.
Simpawknits@reddit
Chicago vs New York Pizza.
big_ol_knitties@reddit
Dressing vs. stuffing
I'm from a cornbread dressing family where it's cooked in a big casserole dish, and I can trust it's been cooked through. My mom pours the turkey drippings in for liquid so it basically accomplishes the same goal.
Key-Candle8141@reddit
I live in Kansas City now and this is the height of US barbecue š„š
Dont believe me? Come to r/kansascity and we can discuss it but it will be something like 50,000 to 1 in my favor š
Butterbean-queen@reddit
Barbecue!!! People have stronger opinions on this than any other food I can think of.
Lopsided-Ad-126@reddit
On the east coast itās pizza
Buckscience@reddit
Pizza is a big one. Chili. Barbecue. Clam chowder.
Sihaya212@reddit
What condiments are put on hot dogs. Various opinions on the proper form of pizza.
stefiscool@reddit
My vote is Pizza.
Chicago and their loaf of bread with toppings can suck it.
Brought to you by the New York Style Pizza Gang
(Iām joking about the insult, any style of pizza, assuming Iām not allergic to it and it doesnāt have anything gross like durian is better than no pizza. Even whatever area in the Midwest that doesnāt bake their cheese is better than no pizza, but Chicago guys if you wanna do a pizza pincer move on the Ohio Valley with the tri-state area over here, weāll show them what actual pizza is, muahaha.)
That or North Jersey and their āTaylor Hamā vs the rest of the world and pork roll. You know you sound like the southerners who call every soda āCoke,ā right?
Just_Another_Day_926@reddit
BBQ and Pizza are the big ones for restaurants type foods. Hot Dogs come in second. TexMex/Salsa more the SouthWest Region.
Then you have some special family secret recipe for a dish typically prepared for big meals like Thanksgiving.
patticakes1952@reddit
San Antonio vs Austin TexMex specially tacos.
ImportantRabbit9292@reddit
BBQ and Cajun food is a distant second.
Retiredpotato294@reddit
Cheesesteak. In the Philadelphia area itās shaved ribeye, cooper or American cheese on a crusty roll. Elsewhere itās whatever cut of meat with peppers and basically a glorified hot dog roll.
Sp4ceh0rse@reddit
Texas vs everyone re: chili (and bbq)
cappotto-marrone@reddit
BBQ and pizza are two food rivalries that can cause serious words.
Never being a big sauce person, my preference is Alabama where the sauce is added. Plus white sauce.
My Brooklyn raised husband has serious pizza opinions.
_Internet_Hugs_@reddit
Barbecue and Chilli are the ones that spring to mind. I once saw two dudes in a shoving match at a Chilli cookoff.
Aggressive_tako@reddit
This is a bit niche, but if you care, you really care: are grits topped with sugar or salt. (I'm from FL and grew up with a grandma from GA - sugar was the only thing I knew until my sister brought home a BF from SC and a friend started dating a boy from LA.)
Current_Poster@reddit
It's got to be barbecue.
I mean there's only one legitimate way to make chowder and chili, but the gate is wide and the road wanders as far as barbecue styles go.
Kitchen-Lie-7894@reddit
Barbecue, pizza, and to a lesser extent chili.
Aggravating_Owl_4812@reddit
Coneys
TrillyMike@reddit
*Key West vs Tampa
And Key West is correct
aamygdaloidal@reddit
Gravy or ketchup on a pasty in michigans UP
pixeequeen84@reddit
I live in South Dakota and it's tater tot casserole. Minnesota people calling it "hotdish". It's a casserole!
mostie2016@reddit
Burgers specifically regional Fast Food Burger chains. What-a-burger will always be supreme to me but Iāll admit the other chains are pretty baller. My folks are from the Midwest and they love Culverās. I love Culverās too as my second fave regional burger joint.
lyndseymariee@reddit
New England clam chowder and Manhattan clam chowder?
Sewer-Urchin@reddit
Eastern vs. Western style NC Barbecue
bucketnebula@reddit
Lobster rolls. To be served on a top-sliced bun with butter and lettuce. Not mayonnaise, like some uncultured heathens prefer.
BusinessWarthog6@reddit
BBQ but there are two different types in NC
Wonderful_Adagio9346@reddit
Pizza.
Even in NYC, even in specific boroughs, there are debates on which is the best.
Then when other cities try to claim greatness, all those New Yorkers grab their pizza paddles and slap some sense into those fools.
cikanman@reddit
BBQ and then pizza as a distant but very loud number 2
Any_Assumption_2023@reddit
BBQ in the south has individual preferences.Ā North Carolina likes vinegar in their sauce, South Carolina likes mustard, Mississippi BBQ is very sweet,Ā Texas likes it spicy..Ā and each region is fierce about theirs being best.
MrAlf0nse@reddit
Whether you eat it from a styrofoam container in your car or a tinfoil container in your car
sariagazala00@reddit (OP)
For what food?
MrAlf0nse@reddit
Just some meat cheese and starch in any combination
NonchalantRubbish@reddit
Chili. Beans in or beans out. Pick a side and prepare for battle.
Hikinghawk@reddit
Chili or BBQ, every region thinks they have the right answers on how it's made. But there are some objectively bad/weird ones, but some fantastic contenders.
SadLocal8314@reddit
Northern Chow Chow v. Southern Chow Chow. Being from Pennsylvania, I only eat Chow Chow made by the Pennsylvania Dutch. Chow-chow (food) - Wikipedia
jeepjinx@reddit
Cheesesteak vs "Philly" cheesesteak.
MSPCSchertzer@reddit
Pizza.
DoOfferRefFood@reddit
Brandy
dgrigg1980@reddit
BBQ. And Texas does it best
cheerfulsarcasm@reddit
Maybe clam chowder? Although I think most of it would agree that white is the only one that matters, but everyone has their own preferences and recipes when it comes to making clam chowder ācorrectlyā
howdidigetheretoday@reddit
I think "clear" matters too. As long as there is no tomato in it, I am willing to consider it.
TillPsychological351@reddit
As a neutral observer, barbeque seems to have the fiercest debates. It isn't really an argument of how something "should" be prepared, it's a matter of which style is best.
Ok_Ticket3703@reddit
Barbecue. Different regions use vinegar, mustard and tomato.
This is mainly in the South. The big rivalries are between Carolinas, Memphis Tennessee and Texas.
Owned_by_cats@reddit
Pizza. From the abomination in Altoona to the famous New York slice and the Chicago stuffed, pizza sets off controversy.
CountChoculasGhost@reddit
Pizza. Primarily Chicago vs NYC. But Detroit has entered the discussion recently as well.
JoshWestNOLA@reddit
Itās got to be BBQ. Being in Louisiana, things like gumbo that are prepared in different parts of the country have regional variations, but itās not really a rivalry, we know their way of preparing it is just wrong.
kjk050798@reddit
BBQ is the correct answer. Pizza is another excellent choice. People will die on the hills defending their favorites.
Aggravating-Shark-69@reddit
Chiliās are pretty good one. Itās not supposed to have beans but the rest of the country. Keep putting beans. And barbecue for sure itās probably the biggest.
AardvarkIll6079@reddit
Probably barbecue.