Is a 9800X3D overkill to use it with a 4070 TI super for 1440p, 60+FPS gaming?
Posted by MerryStrawbery@reddit | buildapc | View on Reddit | 213 comments
I’m building my first PC after decades of playing on consoles (if my memory serves me right my last build was in the early 2000s). I managed to get a very good deal for a 4070 TI super, so I got that along with a motherboard (ASRock B650 steel legend).
I know everyone and their mother wants to get a 9800X3D, I’d like to get one as well but where I live (Japan) is nearly impossible to get at MRSP, it can only be bought from scalpers, which I obviously don’t want. It is also unclear when it’ll be available, some sources claim the stock might normalize as late as late January or even February. I’m willing to wait but not that much lol. What I can get now however is the 7800X3D, not at a good price mind you (almost the same as a 9800X3D), but it is there.
We all know the 9800X3D is downright better, but for my specific use, would it really make that much of a difference? Is it overkill for the GPU I bought? I’m going to play at 1440p at 60+ FPS and max settings, ray tracing if possible as well, I’m not sure if I need a 9800X3D for that. That would be the only use case for this PC, I have another computer for my productivity needs.
Thanks!
No-Actuator-6245@reddit
If all you want is 60+ fps then yes it’s massive overkill, any modern midrange cpu can do that. The 9800X3D is going to excel at high fps and paired with a high Hz monitor and suitable gpu.
Now you might argue that the 9800X3D has the potential to meet your needs longer than any other cpu on the market and this is true. However, if buying a 9800X3D means compromises elsewhere in your build, monitor or peripherals then I would invest in those other parts that will benefit you today and not what might benefit you in the future.
forqueercountrymen@reddit
I just got a 9800x3d to pair with my 1080ti until the 5090 releases. I'm suprised how bottlenecked my gpu was, i go from 60-80FPS in vrchat to 310fps in vrchat.
KokutouSenpai@reddit
What is you previous CPU？Also, have 1080Ti, I am looking for an upgrade which can vastly improve performance in VRChat. 80 → 310 FPS jump is an insane improvement. 😲
forqueercountrymen@reddit
evga 1080ti ftw3 card. That's on desktop mode mostly, in vr i went from getting usually 50-60 (15 people) to about 120-130fps now
MerryStrawbery@reddit (OP)
Just like I said to other fellow redditors; money is not an issue, I could afford the 9800X3D, or the 7800X3D, no problem, it’s just that the 9800X3D is nowhere to be found, and who knows for how long, and I don’t have another rig to play while I wait, just my Rog Ally.
I already have a 1440p, 165hz monitor (could’ve gone for 4K, but didn’t want to), and I will be using the 4070 TI super that I just bought, should I be able to reach those FPS with that GPU and either of those CPUs?
worstfriendforlife@reddit
You’re going to be at 120-150fps..
Moscato359@reddit
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/UacqtYWFJGCCzZSuS553nV-1200-80.png.webp
This is what you need to know.
lotsofsyrup@reddit
that's a 1080p chart....cpu matters way less the higher the resolution is
Moscato359@reddit
1440p with dlss quality mode, or 4k with dlss performance mode puts the same strain on the gpu as 1080p
lotsofsyrup@reddit
I assume you mean strain on the cpu. And while that's a fair point I think if you're in the market to drop 500-700 USD on just the CPU you are probably also buying a GPU that can render 4k or 1440 natively for most games.
beirch@reddit
This means nothing to OP if they're playing at 1440p. The difference will be much smaller at that resolution.
Moscato359@reddit
Have you ever heard of dlss? lol
dlss quality mode renders at 1080 and then displays at 1440p
Lucosis@reddit
Yea, but then you have the smeary mess that is DLSS.
karmapopsicle@reddit
Smeary? Brother I actively choose DLSS over native because particularly in quality mode the output often looks better.
SolarianStrike@reddit
You choice DLSS over badly done TAA that destroyed the image.
karmapopsicle@reddit
For sure. DLAA when it’s available, too, as Nvidia’s image reconstruction algorithm is by far the best modern anti-aliasing solution that puts everything else to shame.
No-Actuator-6245@reddit
A target of 165Hz/fps is a lot more than 60+ fps. In some games it will help today over a mid range cpu. Still not essential, not like you are pushing 240Hz or higher which is where the 9800X3D will excel today. The 4070 Ti Super will pair nicely with a 1440p 165Hz monitor.
poomunch88@reddit
will a 9800x3d and 4080super get constant 240fps in most of the common games nowadays?
GodOfBowl@reddit
4070 ti super gets 60+ fps in every game with every setting.
With that combo you aim at 140+ fps in almost any game
deadlybydsgn@reddit
I dunno if the Indiana Jones game is CPU dependent enough to make a difference, but my 7800X3D + 4070TiS does a solid 60 @ 1440 in most of what I played of the game so far. RT settings were maxed—including path tracing options, DLSS Quality, but no frame gen.
The large Vatican courtyard with a fancy fountain and dozens of people had minor blips under 60, but its has otherwise really solid.
karmapopsicle@reddit
Man, MachineGames and id hit it out of the park with the optimization. Outside of the intensity of the opening sequences in the jungle, I’ve been enjoying it on supreme with full PT @ 4K with DLSS balanced on my 3090, generally at a smooth 60.
deadlybydsgn@reddit
Yeah. My excitement for the game increased dramatically two weeks ago after found out it was running on idtech 7.
Prisoner458369@reddit
If money is no issue, you should have gone for an OLED monitor.
MerryStrawbery@reddit (OP)
I bought this monitor as a temporary solution; as I said I own a Rog Ally, but didn’t want to keep playing on its small screen, it was hurting my eyes so I got myself this monitor while I build my pc and sort out other more important expenses that I have at the moment, doesn’t mean I won’t upgrade in the near future though, it’s just not a main priority for the time being.
I’ve owned OLED TVs, some of the top tier models even, that I used with my consoles, but I sold everything before moving to Japan.
Onsomeshid@reddit
Ngl this would be a really nice set up for 4k.
I have a 3080ti (roughly the same raw performance) and a 5800x3d (swapped from a 12900kf) and 4k is very accessible in every game in high settings. The clarity is a game changer
ThatPoshDude@reddit
If money is not an issue why are you looking at 60fps?
MerryStrawbery@reddit (OP)
Just because I come from consoles and that’s what I’m used to, the monitor I bought is 1440p 165 hz, so I could potentially target higher FPS as well.
ThatPoshDude@reddit
Try higher fps, it will change your life
TSS997@reddit
Availability is improving, my local Microcenter says they're getting a truck every other day. That certainly wasn't the case a month ago.
ForThePantz@reddit
Just check your Microcenter’s online availability after midnight or hit their store at opening everyday. I saw mine online and had someone grab one the next day for me. So I only had to wait about 10 days.
Goszoko@reddit
Honestly, I wouldn't bother. Heck, I'd go for 7800/X if it's much cheaper. And I'd just save that money for later :D
rubberfish613@reddit
Microcenter gets them, sold in store only, at a first come first serve basis. I was able to snag one after a week of asking around (even tho I'm thousands of miles away from the nearest microcenter) but asking friends who were near microcenters to be ready haha.
If you are near a microcenter, or have a friend near a microcenter, that's your best bet to snag a 9800x3d
cubeninja@reddit
I was able to put in an order on a 9800x3d and later a X870E Nova for pickup, but maybe it's a store to store thing.
Midas_Ag@reddit
Was this on initial release, or the last week. They did allow for online reservations at release but not now.
cubeninja@reddit
Interesting, yeah it was almost 3wks ago for the 9800x3d, but the Nova was last week. That sucks that they may not be allowing for that anymore. Unfortunately, they have neither in stock for me, locally, to test the waters.
Midas_Ag@reddit
Gotcha, yeah, word is that they stopped that a few weeks back because of the demand. Congrats on being able to snag it that way !!!
I-Am-Uncreative@reddit
Does Microcenter accurately reflect their stock on their website? I have a friend who lives near one of them, but it says sold out for that store.
SoSaysCory@reddit
If money is not an issue then overkill is exactly what you want. Get the very best you can at the moment, and it will last you many years. Buy once cry once.
Difficult-Way-9563@reddit
Just wait til 2nd week of January. Iirc correctly they getting restocked then
mostrengo@reddit
Ye olde future proofing argument - which has been disproven multiple times. In this instance, OP could just go with a 7500f from aliexpress, save the money and upgrade to the next generation on AM5 and would likely be better off.
Resies@reddit
It depends on what games you play. Take WoW for example, you need an X3D CPU to get > 60 fps in a big raid regardless of graphic settings
KokutouSenpai@reddit
7800X3D is around US$456 (vs $450) and 9800X3D has inflated to US$607 (vs $480). If you can get a better price, say Below US$456 for 7800X3D OR around US$500 for 9800X3D (which is unlikely in East Asia), 7800X3D with 4070 Ti Super will give you High Settings on MOST recent games 120—144+ fps@1440P. On 1440P, Ultra settings with DLSS ON, you can easily achieve ~180—200 FPS with 7800X3D which is tripled your target frame rate of 60fps. So, 7800X3D is a no brainer to get. Unless you want to shell out extra $130 or more for inflated price of 9800X3D to the scalpers.
Hint：If you can't find X3D of your choice in Japan, you may ask someone (perhaps a friend) in nearby Hong Kong (or Amazon seller in HK) buying the chip and send it to you. The shipment process and fees are trivial while the supply are plenty there. Ofc, you may have to pay $15—$20 shipment fees and slightly higher price over MSRP.
No-Boysenberry869@reddit
u can get 9800 now, then at later date update to 50xx series gpu.
91xela@reddit
Or he’ll maybe even 6000 in the next few years and still have a monster CPU
EU-HydroHomie@reddit
Waste of money, unless OP needs a strong CPU for other tasks, leaving performance on the table. I'd say go for a 78003xd/7700. In a few years there'll be something stronger and cheaper.
k-tech_97@reddit
Sadly it seems like 7800x3d has gotten much more expensive. Here in Germany it got up to 475 ans if you are lucky you can get 9800x3d for 530, so it seems like 7800x3d is a bad deal atm
Fireinggun@reddit
If you can get the Amazon page to load up for the 9800X3D, I got one new 3rd party for $459! Says it will deliver between 12/30 - 1/9. Hoping it actually shows up!
k-tech_97@reddit
If it does, then I suggest trying lottery next 😅 because you are one lucky dude
Flukiest2@reddit
In the UK I managed to get the 9800X3D for £500 whilst 7800X3D is £460 (£10 more than 9800X3D msrp)
TemplarKnightsbane@reddit
U might want to check overclockers for current prices. 7800x3d were 600 when i looked yesterday.......
N0mads21@reddit
Jeez, I bought my 7800x3d for 315 a couple of months ago, 400+ is insane
Magic-sheldon@reddit
Same paid £454 in curry’s (online ) for one this week. Did read curry’s increasing cost next year due to government tax changes to national insurance - guess it was a tax for us after all
k-tech_97@reddit
Yep, prizes are messed up right now, I looked at 7800x3d back during spring, and it was like 350 to 400. I thought that during black Friday it will be less, but as soon as 9000 series dropped it started rising
combat008@reddit
Makes sense. It's the holiday season. I'd expect prices to be much lower in the summer like it was this summer in EU.
ColinOskippy@reddit
I just bought a 9800x3d instead of a 7800x3d because the price difference was $20. Why wouldn’t you just go with the 9800x3d?
EU-HydroHomie@reddit
Nah fair if that's the pricing where you at, 9800 x3d makes sense. However the 7600x wouldn't bottleneck any midrange GPU and is a lot cheaper (in my location.)
ColinOskippy@reddit
Just bought my 9800x3d last month and paid $479 not sure if they are MIA right now or what but from the comments in here it seems there aren’t much in stock currently.
Defiant-Glass-5436@reddit
I agree, people on here telling me to buy 9800x3d over 7800x3d… but I kinda want the 9800…
VikingFuneral-@reddit
Would only make sense if retailers aren't gouging for the price of 7000 series chips for some reason.
Feels like the 7000 series hasn't sold enough to warrant selling them at a lower cost yet.
Loud_Tracker@reddit
Yep, so he can start saving right now for the 6000 series and maybe he’ll be able to have enough for one!
DiMarcoTheGawd@reddit
Calling it now a 6090 will be 2799.99
captstix@reddit
And nuclear powered
skylinestar1986@reddit
Or he can buy a 10800X3D in the next few years.
Buttholehemorrhage@reddit
This is exactly what I'm doing, I just got the 9800 last week. I'll wait for a new GPU when I see what the 50xx series costs and how it compares to the current cards.
link270@reddit
Same here. Upgraded from a 3700x to the 9800x3d and plan to upgrade my GPU to something much better sometime in the future.
ZssRyoko@reddit
we prob need a bit more info like is it just 144hz 1440p? i am honestly about to save and get a 9800x3d and selling my 7950x3D later......
i like really high fps i came off of 7 years of 240 dual 1080p monitors, I am on 170 hz 1440p because i didnt have money before i built an am5 pc.
I am eye 360hz oled but i donno if 7950x3d and 7900xt can be that constant in some games i play from the mobas like dota /deadlock to being chased by zombies in dayz and wow retail/classic.
what kind of games do you play too if you want max settings does that mean you just want constant 60-90fps?
ununtot@reddit
When you watch the progress in CPU Power needed for gaming you can use that CPU the next 10 years.. you will spend far more money to keep up with GPU Power.
damien24101982@reddit
Honestly its down to games u play.
KebabGud@reddit
No need to get a 9800x3d for 1440p max settings. Hell no need to get a x3d at all.
In most games at 1440p Ultra, the 9700x (@ 105w) comes within a couple of fps of the 9800x3d (with some significant outliers, like Far cry6 where the 9800x3d has a huge boost in fps at 1440p)
InfernoSub@reddit
If you want a practical take, go with the 7700x CPU since the 3D V-cache on the 7800x3D is actually really good if you think CPU will be a bottleneck which is mostly the case at 1080p. At 1440p, it gets GPU bound even with DLSS. At these prices now, it doesn't make sense to get the 7800X3D. The new gen 9000 series will get you 9-12% improvement at 30% the cost - which is not worth it. 7700x is more than enough for your use-case. You can invest the money in faster RAM.
Motorboatasaurus@reddit
To be honest if all you want is 1440p 60+ FPS you could go for something like a 7600X and be totally fine in most games. It is very rare that your FPS will be CPU bound at 1440p gaming. I have a 5800x3d paired with a 4070Ti for 1440p and it is always my GPU limiting me except in like Cities Skylines 2. Once I get to like a 50k population that game is like 14 fps from CPU. I'm getting around 100 FPS on ultra 1440p in most games I would expect a 7600X to be within 5 FPS of that.
You could upgrade once the prices go back down to something reasonable too but honestly I don't think the x3d is worth pursuing right now for that resolution and cost to performance.
Hawthm_the_Coward@reddit
I can handle 1440p 60 FPS with a 1070 6GB and a 4790K, it really doesn't take as much power as people think.
5800x is handling my 144 FPS setup right now, so I assure you that the 7800x also can.
420LeftNut69@reddit
That's bullshit, I had 4790k with a 970, and it struggled to reach 60fps in new games in 2019 in 1080p, let alone 2k. Ain't no way a 1070 and wimpy DDR3 RAM can produce 60fps in 2k these days.
Unless you only play fortnite, then I guess it probably can just about do it on low-medium settings.
Hawthm_the_Coward@reddit
Can it play BO6 or Assassin's Creed Mirage that well? No. But I think it's getting less and less relevant with each passing year to only compare how well the latest games run. Latest games are typically horribly optimized messes, and there's still decades of quality games to go back on that will all run amazingly, plus tons of modern games that can be modded to help significantly with performance like Starfield... And they only want to play at 60 FPS. Old hardware can do it.
Also, as someone who once had a 970, I can tell you that the 1070 is a MASSIVE upgrade over it. 10-series was a massive upgrade in general, and the 970 specifically had a slow memory issue, too.
420LeftNut69@reddit
Yeah I'm aware that 10xx series were probably the biggest leap in performance for nvidia, but I just find it hard to believe 1070 had as much of an improvement on 970 that it can play new games at 60fps today.
Looking at 970 vs 1070, and 1070 vs 2080 (what I currently have) it looks like 1070 is about 50% better at about everything than 970, and then 2080 is about 50% better than 1070 in most aspects (though not all), so if I can imagine my pre-motherboard switch build with half the GPU performance, I still call bullshit on the 60fps in 2k.
Some well optimised games in 1080 on low settings, I suppose, but new non-tragically (un)optimised in 2k 60fps? Nope.
Hawthm_the_Coward@reddit
Again, I consider looking at some games to be a waste of time. New GPUs were tested with Cyberpunk when that came out, and that didn't run well on ANYTHING at launch. Common test games are chosen specifically to motivate people to upgrade.
80% of new games and 99.999% of old games will run incredibly well on a 1070.
Immediate-Bath196@reddit
You are truthfully the only one that knows what you can afford but the 7600X/9600X will suffice and you will be playing games at very decent FPS. If you want to wait for the market to die down and save a couple hundred dollars.
Stargate_1@reddit
It's not overkill at all, but a non-x3d chip will only be a little behind a X3D chip, especially in GPU bound games.
X3D makes sense if you know the kinds of games you'll be playing benefit from such a CPU, like BG3, PoE, Rust, etc
Immediate-Bath196@reddit
X3D chips only give 3-5% boost which in real world is 10-15 FPS for $200. GPU gives 25-40% boost which is 50-100 FPS for the same increase in price.
Stargate_1@reddit
That's maybe true across an averaged aggregation of fps but does depend on the individual game.
Also, X3D has a massive advantage in terms of smoothing out lows, which again, varies from game to game.
This person is not planning on upgrading their GPU, so your point is moot, which is also nonsensical. The 4080 has at best 20% more performance, not 25-40
Immediate-Bath196@reddit
$850 for a 9800X3D is the going rate in their market. 7600X will suffice.
Stargate_1@reddit
Also your numbers make no sense. If a 5% boost results in 15 fps gained, it means the base fps was already at 300
40% boost resulting in 100 fps gained would mean a base fps level of 250.
This makes no sense
Immediate-Bath196@reddit
Yeah, it does the X3D does very little I have 7900X and a 4090 a friend of mine has 9800X3D and 4070TI. I consistently get 300-350 FPS in most games then put my GPU in his rig and it goes up to 380-400 FPS. Very little gain.
Immediate-Bath196@reddit
I have a 7900X with a 4090 and one of my friends has a 9800X3D and a 4070 TI my PC plays games better and shows movies much better. My PC was a little less than $2700 after tax new, his was way over $3200 pre-tax. I say go with a cheaper CPU and better GPU.
CanderousXOrdo@reddit
It's your 4090 running games well. Ofc he's gonna play games worse than you since he has a 4070ti
Immediate-Bath196@reddit
CanderousXOrdo That is exactly my point. The GPU does most of the work.
KyamBoi@reddit
I had a ryzen 3600 and a 3060 Ti and was able to use basically max specs everything over 70-80 fps.
Your processor is super overkill.
wheresbicki@reddit
I upgraded from a i5-4690k to a 9900X.
While 9900X got disappointing reviews, it's light years better than what I had, and I got it on sale for like $350 on Black Friday.
So I'm happy with it, and if I ever want to upgrade it I could, but I likely won't.
Basic-Association517@reddit
Seeing how overpriced all x3d parts are in Europe I'd get a 9600x and call it a day. The differences at high quality in AAA games (<120fps) is neglible. The money is better spent on a GPU.
Only when you want to play something competitive at 300fps the X3Ds seem to make sense.
FrxctalBloom@reddit
Hey, i'll give you something to think so you can compare and understand better.
my specs are the following :
RTX 3080 TI 12 GO (4070 TI = +25% performance)
I5 12400f (7800X3D = +20% / 9800X3D = +30%)
32 GB RAM
My screen is 1440p 165 Hz
I run like 95% of games at at least 100 fps.
There are few games that are below 100 fps and its either because its poorly optimized (a better rig wouldn't change anything) or because it's suuuuper intensive especially CPU related stuff and its a kind of bottleneck situation.
Latest game I bought are :
- Path of Exile 2 (150-160 fps in ultra), very clean & super well optimized --> 180+ fps
- Dragon age veilguard (120-130 fps in ultra) frostbite engine pushed to limits + well optimized. --> 150+ fps
- STALKER 2 (50-70 fps in ultra) UE5, not well optimized --> 80-110 fps with frame gen or dlss
- RDR2 (70-90 fps in ultra) rockstar engine, well optimized, just heavy on ressources as fuck. --> 100+ fps
That's roughly how well you would run these games with a 7800X3D. a 9800X3D would give you an extra 5 fps on stalker and 10 on rdr2.
To actually strenghten my point, I just asked chatgpt to do a comparision for you :
Average Frame Rates in Various Games at 1440p:
Now i'll be honest 5-7 fps doesn't change jackshit so you can go with the 7800X3D. you'll definitely be able to run this machine for the next 3-5 years with no problem :)
MerryStrawbery@reddit (OP)
Wow this is fantastic advice, thanks for taking the time for putting this together!
Megalith_TR@reddit
The answer is always no.
op3l@reddit
I have a 7800x3d with a 4070.
I keep my systems for a long time and say in 4 years time the GPU is no longer cutting it, I just replace the GPU but the CPU will still be relevant because games will always like the extra cache.
Kryptonian_Germ@reddit
I have this combo and Yes, it’s more than 60fps/hz. I sit around 100* fps on triple A games on quick high/ultra presets.
sobaddiebad@reddit
Get an X3D part if at all possible (within reason price wise). Otherwise, just throw a 7700X, 7600X, 7500F, or whatever you can get for a reasonable price and upgrade later
TheCenticorn@reddit
Nope, have the same on a 3080 and it runs like an absolute dream.
tired_air@reddit
I have the same GPU and 9600X, still only getting 50fps on cyberpunk on a 5120x1440p monitor (ray tracing medium preset). So I don't think the CPU would help with more fps.
MayLaFlameBeWithU@reddit
if you waited 20 years to upgrade your pc you might as well wait a few more weeks to months for the 9800x3d. Make sure to have stock trackers enabled too
MerryStrawbery@reddit (OP)
Well I didn’t really “waited” for 20 years lol, I was just playing on consoles, but got fed up with those machines and decided to get a gaming PC again.
Since I’m out of the loop I wasn’t really sure how much of a difference the 9800X3D would make (hence the post), but it seems it really is that good huh?
Thanks for replying!
rfc21192324@reddit
Consoles and TVs are optimized for 60fps.
On a typical LCD monitor on a PC, 60Hz is noticeably stuttering and tearing (a very broad statement about most games). You need at least 120Hz + a G-Sync or FreeSync technology.
While 4070 Ti Super can “handle” 120Hz and provides G-Sync (you need to have a compatible monitor for it), the look & feel will be diminished if you have FPS drops below 120 in some situations.
So you need to pick an appropriate monitor resolution and refresh rate and estimate whether overalls system performance can produce no less than target FPS. Not average, not maximum, but minimum.
Choice of CPU is important only to the extent of overall system performance. The higher resolution and refresh rate you aim for, the most likely gpu would be a bottleneck anyway.
MerryStrawbery@reddit (OP)
My monitor is an Asus (forgot which model), supports both G-Sync and freesync, 165hz. Should be good enough right?
rfc21192324@reddit
What resolution? If you run it on 1080p, then the game will most likely be CPU bound. The 4070 Ti Super will be more than enough.
The higher resolution you run, the more GPU load it will incur
MerryStrawbery@reddit (OP)
1440p, I thought I had written it on this reply, got mixed up with others lol.
dalzmc@reddit
People are making it kind of complicated. At 1440p+ it's a couple percent better typically, and on cpu heavy games you may see up to 10%. There's more of a noticeable difference in non-gaming tasks. That's all there really is to say about it
MayLaFlameBeWithU@reddit
it’s marginally better to be honest, at 4k it’s a bit of a trivial difference but 1440p should see some alright improvement but nothing life-changing. But obviously if the price difference is absurd like 150-200 more maybe the 7800x3d is a better shout. But it’s just that these aren’t fixed prices and in the future if the 9800x3d goes back to standard pricing it may be a bit of a punch in the gut.
MerryStrawbery@reddit (OP)
Nah over here price is almost the same, it’s just that you really can’t find the 9800X3D anywhere, maybe retailers are taking advantage of that? I’m not sure.
I do have a high refresh monitor (if 165hz can even be considered high refresh these days), would it make a difference in that specific use case?
DickInZipper69@reddit
Probably weeks. Stock is becoming much better already. Especially if you can just order from one store and wait patiently.
redd_fine@reddit
Hummm…. 1440p, 60FPS i3-13100 &3060 ti could do a good job
airmantharp@reddit
Repeat after me: CPU OVERKILL IS GOOD
If you’re CPU limited, frametimes are going to be all over the place. That’s bad.
Neraxis@reddit
This is like asking of a 7800x3d is overkill no it's not lol.
SmoothCriminal7532@reddit
Maybe if ur planning on running stalker 2 but thats about it.
Parking_Cress_5105@reddit
All those CPUs are overkill if you want it for gaming.
Ash_of_Astora@reddit
3 gen old processors and 3000 series GPUs can handle 1440p 60fps.
Malphael@reddit
Yeah but I think most people are going to want to do better than 60 FPS at 1440p.
Now if it was like 4k at 60fp on 3 Gen old hardware, then I'd be impressed
JediGRONDmaster@reddit
3 gen old CPUs can easily handle 4k 60 with a goodbcurrent or last gen gpu
Malphael@reddit
But not with a 3 Gen old GPU, which was the original comment.
JediGRONDmaster@reddit
the original comment was talking about the 30 series, which is last gen.
Malphael@reddit
The comment I responded to discussed performance at 1440p combining a 3 Gen old CPU and GPU
Ash_of_Astora@reddit
It was my comment and it specifically says 3 gen old processor and 3000 series GPU.
3000 series is not 3 gens ago, at least not until 5000 series drops.
JediGRONDmaster@reddit
Wouldn’t it not be “3 generations ago” until the 6000 series?
Like right now I would call the 1000 series 3 gens ago because current gen is 40 series, and then there’s last gen 30, 2 gens ago was 20, and 3 gens ago was 10 series
Ash_of_Astora@reddit
Yeah i'd agree with that. It doesn't really change anything about the point i'm making either way IMO
JediGRONDmaster@reddit
Yeah, it just helps me in my arguement against that other guy
Malphael@reddit
Which is in like a month...
Ash_of_Astora@reddit
Well if we want to argue over semantics, last gen is technically 3000 series, two gens ago is 2000 series, and three gens ago was 1000 series. And in ome month you can call 3000 series two gens old.
In no way was my comment implying 1000 or 2000 series cards were perfectly fine for modern 1440p gaming. Although I could make a case for the 2080Ti, depending on what you want to play. But that's neither here nor there.
So I don't really see your point... other than arguing for the sake of arguing. It's pretty clear that my comment specifically calls out 3000 series GPUs and not 1000/2000 series.
rissie_delicious@reddit
x3d chips were made for gaming, what are you saying.
Systemlord_FlaUsh@reddit
The 9700 performs the same except of some RT titles.
J-seargent-ultrakahn@reddit
A million frames a second
Either_Ingenuity_792@reddit
i would wait out for the 7090 ti and 11800x3d combo in 2028 but that’s just me
Ash_of_Astora@reddit
If gaming is your only use case, save money. 1440p gaming at 60fps is something all modern processors do well. Glad you're going for 1440p as well as 4k is a waste 90% of the time for anyone without extremly deep pockets.
For context, my home setup is an 11th gen and 3080ti. I build top of the line PC after top of the line PC for work and i have not felt a need to upgrade my home PC. Pretty RPGs i can do 1440p 60+ FPS and shooters at 100+ FPS. I even have a 14th Gen intel processor sitting on my shelf and im not going to go buy a mobo for it anytime soon because i haven't ever felt bottle necked.
The main thing to think about is making sure your your socket is upgradable so you can get a newer gen cpu down the line. CPU isn't as important as GPU in a lot of gaming use cases, and you already have a monster GPU. So don't worry that much.
MerryStrawbery@reddit (OP)
By saving money, you mean just get a cheap but decent CPU? Like neither the 9800X3D, nor the 7800X3D? If that’s the case which one?
Yeah after doing my due diligence, 4K didn’t feel like a cost effective solution, at least for now, plus my eyesight is kinda wack (I’m not getting any younger lol), so I probably wouldn’t even be able to notice the difference between 1440p and 4K to begin with, at least not on those small monitors.
I got an ASRock B650 steel legend (Black Friday deal), it’s supposed to handle AM5 sockets and has a PCI-E 5.0 slot, so on paper I should be set for quite a while, I just need to get the freaking CPU.
Ash_of_Astora@reddit
For straight value per dollar, I would consider a 7700X processor for AM5 socket. They're going for about $250 and that'll cover your gaming 1440p 60FPS needs plus allow you to upgrade when prices drop.
Otherwise check out cpubenchmark.net/singlecompare.php and see how different CPUs stack up against each other. Just type in like 7700X, 9700X, 9800X3D, 7800X3D and look at the stats. They aren't that wildly different from a gaming perspective.
Single thread performance is the main gaming metric IMO and the 9800X3D really only has a 10% uplift on the 7700X in that regard. Not super worth it for almost double the price.
anzurakizz@reddit
I'm gonna have to disagree with you. The 9600x is almost the same cpu as a 7600x for a more expensive price. The 8 cores of the 7700x are not really needed, but if the price is almost the same as a 7600x then sure. In my opinion the only cpus worth buying on AM5 for gaming are 7500f (if it's much cheaper then a 7600x), 7600x and then a 7800X3D or 9800x3D. All the others won't get much use in gaming. Especially at 1440p where the GPU is the limiting factor. He should just get a 7600x, and upgrade to a 8 core X3D, sometimes at the end of life of AM5. The same way it s now for AM4 users buying a 5700 X3D, for a reasonable price.
Ash_of_Astora@reddit
I would agree with the 7500F recommendation and waiting for the X3D to drop in price significantly in 2-3 years. I think the $20 is worth it for the 7600X over the 7500f.
Depends on price overall, if you can find 7700X, 9600X, etc.. for around the same price point go for it as it is technically "better." $165 on Newegg.com for a 7500f is a hard price to beat though.
But as you imply, none of those processers will do anything wildly different for 1440p 60fps gaming. It's mostly a gpu bound task outside of specific titles.
Thanks for the additions!
anzurakizz@reddit
Yep, exactly what I ment. The word future proofing goes around way to much these days. And all of those people rush to upgrade to the next best thing the next generation. The best deal people got with AM4 was buying a cheap first or second gen Ryzen and then upgrading to an X3D chip 4-5 years later on the same platform. I suggest most people do the same here, unless they use their PC for something else other then gaming.
Ash_of_Astora@reddit
Yee. Key messaging here is you absolutely do not need a $500 processor to game.
If you open task manager while running modern titles, 90% of the time you'll see your CPU sitting at <25% utilization. Single core power and VRAM of ypur card are the most important factora when gaming IMO so focus on those two things and your experience will be great.
Long_Run6500@reddit
You'll see more gains in more games with a cheaper cpu and putting the money towards a 4080s. Lately there's been a few cpu hogs, but that's usually just because they're poorly optimized and they get better with patches and it's mostly just in towns. Most AM5 CPUs can feed even a 4090 in most games without a CPU bottleneck. I have a feeling in a year or three games will swing back around to being more demanding on the CPU, but since you're on AM5 you can just upgrade your cpu to account for it if that ends up being the case.
THXFLS@reddit
You'll probably want to upgrade to the final generation of X3D on AM5 in a few years anyway, so don't worry about it too much.
kekbooi@reddit
For your desired fps a 7500f will be more than sufficient.
Neraxis@reddit
Absolutely not overkill.
Revo_Int92@reddit
Only if you take in consideration the infamous "future proofing", if the intention is to play the PS5 generation games and later upgrade, you can pick a way cheaper cpu and even a midrange GPU (if you don't mind the "frame generation" gimmicks... Maybe not even needed because 60fps is easy to reach). Ideally, a 7500f + RX 6700 (or 6750) XT are the ideal cost x benefit combination, then in 2028 or something, maybe only the GPU will start to show its age
RealWall1234@reddit
Built with the 9800x3d and 4070ti super just 2 weeks ago. Already have a 1440p 240hz OLED monitor so I was building around utilising that and upcoming MHwilds in mind.
Been playing POE 2 recently as well(which is known to be cpu intensive) and at 1440p it’s slightly overkill but I’m pretty happy with my build.
AnitaHardcok6764@reddit
I have a 4070ti and upgraded from a 7700x to a 9800x3d and have seen actual gains at 1440p. Especially in CPU limited games of course, which we have an abundance of these days it seems like. It’s absolutely not overkill in my opinion, my games are running at higher FPS overall no question.
hoax1337@reddit
It's funny, I was in the same situation just yesterday. Wanted to get a 9800x3d, with a 4070 Ti Super, and even got the same mobo.
The shop I was ordering from said that it'd have the CPU back in stock in January, but I was impatient, so I went with the 7800x3d.
Same situation like yours, very low price difference, something like $30.
Personally, I feel stupid for being impatient, but at the same time, I don't think I'll regret it. I don't even have a high refresh rate display (yet).
GamerHaste@reddit
i just bought the 9800x3d as an upgrade to my 5800x3d (i play a lot of CPU intensive games like world of warcraft) and holy shit was it an upgrade. would recommend i dont think ive ever seen that much of a jump in power from a single upgrade, it's deff a fucking monster. i see why it sellls out so fast.
Liesthroughisteeth@reddit
Not if you eventually want to move to 4K....:)
zcahtotsu@reddit
I’m running a 7800X3D and a 4070TIs and getting over 200 frames at 1440p on triple A games. It’d be overkill but it also gives a lot of opportunity for upgrades
YeetedSloth@reddit
Depends on the games you’re planning on playing, a lot of early access or beta games that are poorly optimized require an overkill cpu.
HungPongLa@reddit
I think you should just bite the bullet and get the best scalper price that you can. Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.
Nuttybuddy2611@reddit
I was in the same boat. Either a 7800x3d or a 9800x3d. I barely found a 7800x3d, 9800x3d no where. I almost made a 6 your drive round trip for the 7800x3d until I got lucky and found one closer. My old computer was shitting the bed and could barely run. So I said let's get a 7800x3d, keep my 3060ti and later in the future I'll upgrade my GPU. Worth it for me. I can play all the games I want without issues and I have a upgrade path for the future. Is the 9800x3d better? Yes? Can I play games on it in the next month? Who knows but probably not.
I use a 7800x3d, 3060ti combo with a 144hz 1440p monitor. Works great for me.
Lanky_Panda_3458@reddit
Low resolutions bring high frame rates. High frame rates love high-end cpu's (AMD). Low frame rates (4k res) don't benefit much from these high-end cpu's. Although 4k on the 9800x3d did see a slight bump in frame rates.
wienercat@reddit
Not really. The nice part of getting a CPU that is strong like that is you dont need to update it frequently. Your next major "update" would likely just be a GPU replacement instead of a whole system update.
Hellknightx@reddit
The 7800X3D is basically the same price as the 9800X3D, which is why everybody wants the latter. Just be patient and save your money until you can get a 9800X3D.
It'll still be a fantastic machine for at least the next 6 years or so, and even then you'll likely only need to replace the GPU. This CPU is an absolute monster, and will be for many years.
Civil_Medium_3032@reddit
Yes
FunCalligrapher3979@reddit
It's not overkill, get the best CPU you can get so it can last through a few GPUs. also stuff like UE5 are massive CPU hogs where the 7800x3d can barely manage a stable 60.
withoutapaddle@reddit
Yeah, If you have the money, a little overkill helps you deal with poorly optimized games.
I had just built an overkill PC when Cyberpunk released, and I had a blast putting in 300 hours right from day one... Because I could power through all the technical problems with brute force.
Right now, even high end CPUs drop into the 40-50fps range in STALKER 2 because of how poorly optimized NPCs are on CPU load. Walk into a town with NPCs hanging out and your framerate will drop from 90+ to 45.
Elias1474@reddit
But what is overkill, that is the question.
Does such thing exist??
volticizer@reddit
I mean I'm using a 5700x3d and it doesn't bottleneck my 4080 super at 1440p in some games, in games like POE or other CPU intensive sure it'll bottleneck but it's by no means a bad experience. The 9800x3d is a killer CPU. I don't see why you shouldn't get it if it's within budget. Even if it's overkill it'll mean you don't need to upgrade for a hot minute.
MerryStrawbery@reddit (OP)
Like I said in my post, this is my first build in decades lol, so I don’t really have a gaming pc at the moment, or almost anything to play for that matter, I only have a Rog Ally, which has served me well but I want a proper desktop gaming PC.
The budget is there, I can afford the 9800X3D, it’s just that I don’t really know when it’ll be available, it could be months for all I know, that’s what some sources are claiming here at least. I can wait a bit, but surely not months lol.
ShakenButNotStirred@reddit
It's a great chip, but it isn't worth delaying over.
You shouldn't be noticeably bottlenecked by any current gen CPU for 1440@165 on a 4070TiS.
If you're just gaming, I would build around a 7800X3D and you can replace and resell later if it feels insufficient.
You could also do a 9700X for less money or a 9900X if you play a lot of multicore RTS or need cores for something else.
All three of those CPUs should be sufficient to feed that GPU.
Kelor@reddit
I’m actually in the same spot you are at the moment, same GPU, same motherboard even.
Similar goal, to future proof a bit and ride out the build as long as possible.
I’ve been going back and forth because the x3D series are all far overpriced here too with just getting a 9700X series CPU.
The performance is close enough (anlthough not specialised for gaming in the same way, but better when using a single core) and they’re hundreds of dollars cheaper here.
NwLoyalist@reddit
Don't spend the money on a 7800x3d or 9800x3d. They are obviously the best CPUs, but you will notice very little difference at 1440p max settings. Better off getting a 7700 and saving that money for a gpu upgrade in 3-5 years.
Honestly, I'd even consider buying AM4 with a 5700x3d for $200, a B550 for $100-$150, and 32g of DDR4 3600 CL18 for $45. That will support 1440p max setting for a long time. Again, all that saved money goes towards gpu upgrades. But, don't go above the 7900xt/4070ti S, it become diminishing returns, and you're better off buying the lower teir card so that you can upgrade the gpu sooner. The idea being sustained high fps rather than very high fps that falls off to okay fps in a few years.
Steveoatc@reddit
I downloaded the hotstock app and got a 9800x3d after about 5 days of trying. The app constantly checks multiple websites and alerts you when things are back in stock. It even has an auto buy option (costs extra). Without it, I would be sitting around waiting and guessing when it was going to come back in stock. I had to be super quick, as these things were selling out after 1-2 minutes of being back in stock. Good luck!
volticizer@reddit
Yeah sorry I just re-read your post and realised I'm stupid haha. I edited my comment but I think the 7800x3d is a great chip that's easily capable of 1440p 150+FPS, and if you want to upgrade GPU and go 4k down the line you could get even more out of the 7800. Sure the 9800 would be better, but realistically the 7800 should be fine for 99% of situations. Especially if 60+FPS is all you're after.
Dereference_operator@reddit
dont buy anything now wait a few months the release of the 9900x3d 9950x3d and the 50 series from Nvidia is just a few months away and it will change everything... wait a few months, price and deals are comings around christmas and after at boxing days etc amd said 9800x3d inventory will increase a lot in first Q1 of 2025 etc
TheDiabeto@reddit
I have an i5-12600kf paired with a 3080ti and I can run most modern games ultra settings at 1440p around 100 FPS.
xRichard@reddit
If budget allows, it's a great buy and you'll be ready for just a GPU upgrade whenever you need more performance
AsianEiji@reddit
If your going in a "small" PC case, aim for the 9800x3d only.
If you have a very good cooler and a large case you can go either.
EirHc@reddit
Having headroom on your CPU is never a bad thing. Everything will just run smoother; you'll have better 1% lows than everyone else; and you'll be more future-proofed, being able to go longer without an upgrade.
Eventually in many years from now, your CPU will start to lag on newer titles... but the better the CPU you got in the first place, the longer you'll be able to go before that eventuality. The 7800X3D is an excellent CPU. But from everything I've heard, the 9800X3D has about a 20% performance increase over it. So yes, it's better.
Mystikalrush@reddit
Not overkill, it's a perfect match and one that will carry over generations.
Visible-Chapter-1871@reddit
I would say if you are looking for competitive shooters you will get better fps on the 9800x3d. If you are a tarkov player it gives an amazing advantage.
As for most games, the difference between 7800x3d and 9800x3d is like 10%. Unless its competitive games I would say its worth waiting for the 9800x3d, they are increasing supply/stock atm so. Also I wouldn't buy an old cpu for msrp, I would not fold.
ime1em@reddit
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/19.html look at the % differences @ 1440p
AdvantageFit1833@reddit
Yes it's overkill, but if you don't need to consider the price, the CPU should not ever be the bottleneck so the better it is, the better it is.
Awake00@reddit
I paired my 4070tis with a 7700x and i think its a great match.
Mecca_Lecca_Hi@reddit
I’m getting 9800x3D / mobo / ram upgrade here in the next couple weeks and I’m using a 6750xt. I’ll upgrade the card next round.
Tom_Ludlow@reddit
Buy what you are willing to pay for.
lumlum56@reddit
Even the 7600/7500f is enough for this use, you will have a quite powerful PC
BobLighthouse@reddit
9800x3d stock should be getting better very soon according to AMD.
I would not buy the 7800 for around the same price.
stratocastom@reddit
The good news is 1440p @ 60fps is a pretty low bar to be setting these days - I was comfortably able to hit that with a 3700x and 6800 4 years ago. With that setup you're even pushing way above 60fps at 4k (particularly with DLSS). If you're a more casual gamer (i.e. don't need the high framerates for a competitive edge), then IMO 60-120fps is a good sweet-spot for value (assuming you've got a monitor/tv that can get higher than 60hz).
I get how hard it can be even waiting a month to build if you've got the rest of the parts, but it may make the most sense.
AnOrdinaryChullo@reddit
This was only the case because it was at the tail end of the end of studios actually optimizing their games.
These days? You need hardware twice the cost just to be able to run games that hardly look any better than games from 5 years ago but optimized so badly that you pretty much need a beast just to run them at 1440p 60fps.
ageoldpun@reddit
I have a 9800x3d and play nothing but the 20 year old WoW Classic on it.
SwissMoose@reddit
It's overkill for the video card you have planned, and you are probably overpaying for it now when you might not use it until you upgrade the video card. But if you are okay with it, go for it.
I normally plan for a new PC every 5-6 years and a new video card every 2 or 3 years.
HerroKitty420@reddit
Get a 7500f for now until prices normalize on 9800x3d and see if you want to get that, or if the 7500f is good enough use that until 11800x3d in a couple years
Vilerion@reddit
I'd say get a 7600 and put that extra money on getting a better GPU, u will get more fps
Jeep-Eep@reddit
It would be well suited to the possiblity of a severe hardware drought, as it would age well. Just get a high refresh monitor on top to let that thing rip on the older stuff.
It may also be worth waiting to see if the RDNA 4 release this q1 brings something better.
asodfhgiqowgrq2piwhy@reddit
Depends on the game. I went from a 5600x to a 9800x3d, same 3080, and my BeamNG performance went from 40fps in a multiplayer lobby to 150fps on average.
HippoCute9420@reddit
I don’t know how any CPUs handle 1440p and idk how the x3d affects it either. But I’m guessing your 4070 will be doing the majority of the work. So imo, obv look up the benchmarks, but if you don’t need the 9800, and don’t want to wait, I don’t see a problem with getting the 7800, or better in my opinion, would be the new 7 9700x which comes really close to the 9800 in 1080 and beats the 7800 in performance. Again how 1440p affects the cache size I have no clue but that’s what it looks like
HeriPiotr@reddit
For 1440p the 9800X3D is overkill, yes.
But: I have the 7800X3D, and I game at UW 1440p, so the GPU is the bottleneck, naturally.
My own reasoning for buying the 7800XD3 over lets say 7600 was pretty much future-proofing. The 7600 might have gave me for example 3-4 years of peace (as in I wont contemplate upgrading), but with the 7800X3D I have 5+ years.
Birchoff@reddit
What GPU do you have? I'm looking to upgrading to a 7800x3D or 9800X3D plus a 4070 super. I also have a 3440x1440 monitor
HeriPiotr@reddit
I have a 4080S and I also game at 3440x1440 (best resolution id say lol). A 4070 should be completely fine imo. If in doubt, be sure to check some benchmarks.
Birchoff@reddit
Oh OK damn. Don't feel like putting the money into a 4080s. I'll check out benchmarks if I can find any for UW
HeriPiotr@reddit
If you dont feel like, then dont ! I wager id have just as much fun with a 4070, as I am having now. But I had the money to grab one, so I just did. "Bigger number better" and all that lol.
RevolutionaryCarry57@reddit
If you can afford a 7800x3D or 9800x3D, then you might as well go ahead and get one of them.
The reason I say that is because you’ll know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you’re getting every bit of performance your 4070TiS can offer, and most likely you’ll even get every bit of performance out of your next GPU upgrade.
Will you notice a huge difference now over a 7600x/7700x? Maybe not. But your 1% lows and frame time will be rock solid. And you won’t need to upgrade your CPU to accommodate your next GPU.
Optimal_Visual3291@reddit
I’d say there’s no such thing as overkill, but people use $1000+ gpu’s for 1080p so idk? Also; no.
pacoLL3@reddit
To put is simple: yes, it is overkill. A 7700x will handle what you want with no issues.
Getting a 9800x3d might still be a consideration if you plan to upgrade your GPU at some point
SonoftheK1ng@reddit
I have a feeling the prices will shake out once stock for the 9k comes back. Demand is really high for these high end chips because they're the best on the market for gaming. As to your question, you won't see that much of an uplift from one to the other. At 1440p with raytracing you will most likely be GPU bound. They are both AM5 which is going to be supported for a while if AMD's history is anything to go by, and both chips will be powerhouses for a long time to come (see the 5800x3d as an example). IMO, unless you have a cheapo CPU cooler or strict power budget, I would just get whatever is cheaper after prices sort themselves out.
zzozozoz@reddit
Yes
DSM201@reddit
I play cod and my 5900x and 3090ti get 143fps 1440p at balanced settings
Archelaus_Euryalos@reddit
No, it's not, but not because of the reason you think. You're buying this system to play consistently at good fps going forward about 5 years, and right now it is in fact unlikely to deliver tangible performance except in a few cases, but a few years from now, those cores will start to matter and the vcahce too. And by the time it's ready to be replaced, you will probably be seeing games that require turning things down or off to get it to work.
Lemonxisonfire@reddit
I guess it depends on how you look at it. A lot of games are starting become more CPU intensive and I don’t think any current graphics cards, including the 4090, can really push the 9800X3D to its limit right now. I’m running the same setup you are thinking about and the biggest difference I’ve noticed is how fluid most of my games are now with the improved frame times and 1% low increase.
If you have the money you may as well do it because you’ll be set CPU wise for quite awhile.
b-maacc@reddit
Personally I’d just get a cheaper 7600(X) or 7700(X) for now. If you upgrade your GPU in a few generations you can grab a cheaper 9800X3D or newer x3d chip.
Systemlord_FlaUsh@reddit
If you can get it for a reasonable price why not, but I doubt you can do. Its mainly future proofing.
TimmmyTurner@reddit
you honestly you will do fine with just 7800x3d
HiYoSiiiiiilver@reddit
I currently have a 9800X3D on back order and it says it should fill sometime mid January. Might as well wait if it’ll only be a couple weeks to a month wait
yaggar@reddit
Depends on game and your needs.
For Assasins Creed or Call of Duty? Yes, that's an overkill
For Flight Simulator or super late-game Stellaris? Ouch!
MerryStrawbery@reddit (OP)
I play a bit of everything honestly so I wouldn’t really know what to say about that.
Money is not really an issue luckily; I could go for either the 9800X3D or the 7800X3D, like I said both cost almost the same where I live, it’s more of a “am I missing out too much if I buy the 7800X3D now rather than waiting who knows for how long for the 9800X3D?” Kind of question, if that makes any sense.
Thanks for the feedback!
yaggar@reddit
Now that depends on the price. If you're chosing only between 7800x3d and 9800x3d, I would go for 7800X3d if it's at least 30% cheaper than 9800X3D. At the lowest point it was selling for 50% of current 9800X3D price (depends on your country prices) and then it was steal. But if 7800X3D is closer to 80% of 9800X3d price, then it's not worth to save - especially if you can allow to push the budget a bit
MerryStrawbery@reddit (OP)
At least where I live both chips cost almost the same, not even a 10% difference. It’s just that you can get one now (7800X3D) and nobody knows when we’ll get the other (9800X3D), late January seems to be the earliest date some people are suggesting, no idea why.
I can handle a few weeks of waiting, but 2+ seems excessive lol.
yaggar@reddit
Then go for the one that is available, if time is the matter. I personally would wait, because for same price you get more performant and cooler chip.
MerryStrawbery@reddit (OP)
Yeah makes sense, I’m probably going to wait until early January, just to see if the stock settles down after Christmas, seems like a decent comprise, but if there’s still no stock, and nobody knows when there will be, might as well go for the 7800X3D or something similar.
CockroachCommon2077@reddit
It's more than enough but getting that CPU will allow you to not worry about having to upgrade it again when you upgrade your GPU again
Plenty-Industries@reddit
I dont consider the best CPUs for gaming as "overkill".
Any GPU will pair with it fine.
Jmsteelmon@reddit
For high framerate 1080p I'd definitely hold out for the 9800X3D.
For 1440p gaming, in most benchmarks I've seen the 9700X is within 10% fps of the 9800X3D on average. Some games do better, some worse.
Most of us don't need a 9800X3D but we end up buying it anyway because we can't manage our FOMO.
skellyhuesos@reddit
No it won't.