Huh , didn't know about that one .
Yeah the diamonds are really fun planes , started my training in a DV20 then moved to DA40 and now I'm finishing on the DA42
There's actually a real distinction because when you're flying at an FL everyone uses a standardized altimeter setting. Under 18,000 feet you'd better be using the local altimeter setting! So saying FL090 technically implies you're at altimeter setting 29.92 regardless of the actual setting.
In the US and in Canada the transition level is 18,000ft. It doesn't change. In the nearly every other part of the world it does change. It can be different at each airport. The transition level can be as low as 3,000ft. So saying FL090 (feet, not meters) is perfectly normal in every part of the world except North America.
I have heard of it. But I don't fly in Northern Canada so I often forget about it. But it only strengthens my point that saying FL090 is perfectly correct in many cases. The only time it's NOT correct is in the US or in the Altimeter Setting Region of Canada.
Nope, 3000 ft. But I believe when the pressure is really crazy and baro altitude vs standard altitude can be significantly different, they use a higher altitude like 5000.
Yup, in the UK depending on location the transition altitude can be 3000ft or 6000ft in CTR/CTA/TMA environments. Probably similar across Europe and other ICAO regions. Transition level is calculated based on the pressure and like you said can be quite high if super low pressure! FL50 is definitely a thing haha
The standard transition altitude in the UK is 3,000 feet, but in certain ATC control zones (especially the TMAs around larger airports) it can be 5,000 feet (e.g. Manchester, Leeds) or even 6,000 feet (Birmingham, most of Scotland). For some of these, the transition altitude also reverts back down to the standard 3,000 feet outside of ATC service hours.
I personally don't care either way because regardless of saying FL090 or 9K feet we know what he means.
Now if he said angels 9 ide give him crap lol.
It is weird seeing a flight level starting with a zero though I'll admit. Just because it's not standard or "normal". Wich is the exact reason you thought to make the comment you did 😉
But like said it doesn't really matter either way lol.
In the USA we don't use Transition Altitude or Transition Level like they do elsewhere, it's standardized that this occurs at 18000 regardless of any local barometer settings.
So class A airspace is always FL180 - FL600 in the states.
Yes, I’m fully aware of how it works in the US (because it’s the same here in Canada). My question was more about how the concept is taught, because some US pilots seem to think flight levels = altitudes over 18K feet, which is not the actual definition (even in the US).
FLIGHT LEVEL- A level of constant atmospheric pressure related to a reference datum of 29.92 inches of mercury. Each is stated in three digits that represent hundreds of feet.
If all flight in the US is standardized at 29.92 (STD) above 18000, then all levels above that ARE in fact by definition flight levels.
The actual definition of a flight level is exactly as the definition that you quoted says: an altitude based on a pressure altimeter set using ISA surface pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 hPa/"standard"), as opposed to one set using local atmospheric pressure (QNH).
The problem here is that you're conflating this definition with the separate concept of transition altitude, which is the altitude above which flight levels start to be used. And because the TA in the US and Canada is 18,000 ft MSL, you seem to think that a flight level can also be defined as "any altitude above 18,000 ft MSL". In a purely practical sense, this definition is accurate — but only in the US and Canada. It's not accurate in any other part of the world.
You're illustrating exactly why so many people from the US are apparently confused by "FL090". Based on your definition, "FL090" is a nonsensical concept: how can you have a "flight level" at 9,000 ft when "by definition" the flight levels only start at 18000 ft? That's why I'm making the point that your definition is inaccurate and misleading.
When you recognize the difference between a "flight level" and a "transition altitude", and that the latter is not always 18,000 ft, then "FL090" is not confusing. For example, in Germany the TA is 5,000 ft, but a pilot flying from Germany to the Netherlands (where the TA is 3,000 ft) would not be confused when they are given "FL040" by Dutch ATC, because they don't believe that "flight levels are only for altitudes above 5,000 ft".
We do use a transition altitude. It's standardized at 18,000' to coincide with the start of class A airspace. Other countries use a transition altitude in the same way we do; it just doesn't always correspond one-to-one with the start of class A.
He could be outside of the US, in Europe the transition altitude is usually between 4000-6000 depending on the country, so he'd be right calling that FL90 in that case
In my country (The Netherlands) it’s 3000ft for IFR and 3500 for VFR. Since it’s flat here thats both MSL and ASL. 20 minutes to the east I fly in Germany where it is 5000ft (or up to 2000 AGL). Flying for 30 minutes to the south puts me in Belgium where it’s 4500ft.
In the mountains (Swiss Alps for example) I can fly 9000ft while just before the mountains it would be FL090.. European flying could be much more clear. :)
I like the clarity of 18000ft in most of North America!
Each engine has a FADEC that sets the prop RPM based on load setting (throttle position). In theory if each engine has the same load setting, it should have the same RPM. But there's no synchronizer or synchrophaser per se.
Tbh they’re pretty much always in sync at equivalent power settings, you don’t get that annoying resonance you do in other twins where they go in and out phase with each other even when they aren’t.
Yeah it can be annoying, you can jiggle the power setting around a bit, but it would be nice to have a blue lever or a synchronizer to get it perfect :-)
It's not a mistake lol. In every part of the world except for North America flight levels can start much much lower. OP is not flying in North America so saying FL090 is perfectly correct.
Not a pilot but an enthusiast. Can someone please explain the majority of these comments about how US and Non-US pilots talked about flight levels? I’m familiar with the US system.
Every country sets its own limit. Supposedly the U.S. used FL180 because it gets you above the tallest mountain peak in the continental u.s. even in the worst possible weather. But regardless every single country sets its own arbitrary rules.
I'm not a pilot, just interested in this stuff. Can you elaborate? I know what a flight level is, but why are my fellow Americans up in arms about flying below 18,000 feet?
US atc here. they’re not upset about him flying that low, but they’re upset about him calling it FL090. in america we call it niner thousand. intl is diff
when the altimeter drop below 29.92, 180 becomes unusable (to ensure proper separation). once you hit 180 and above, everyone is on the same 29.92 altimeter setting. if you’re specifically asking why we chose 180 as the transition, i don’t actually know lol.
Transition altitude was historically determined by the highest peak in an area with an additional margin for safety—typically 1,000’ rounded up to the next thousand. In the Netherlands and most of the UK, due to having no real mountains, transition altitude is only 3,000’ AMSL with a transition layer normally resulting in FL035 being the first usable FL. In the U.S., Mt. Whitney stands at just over 14,500, so 18,000’ provides the ability for local flyers to climb out of valleys first, for safety, before switching to standard pressure, and FL180 provides enough of a buffer for anyone flying across the area to have safe vertical separation (except when pressure is low, as you mentioned).
Alaska is an outlier because 18,000’ was adopted as transition altitude in 1958, just one year before it was granted statehood. So now flyers around Denali (with its peak around 20,000’) and other high altitude locations have minimum enroute altitudes well above FL180. As you know—with the exception of around Denali, where there is a 1,500’ buffer that is not actually Class A—you’ll mostly be in Class A and in touch with yourselves in ATC to provide safe separation.
Altitudes are referenced to the mean sea level. Flying at 7000 AMSL (above mean sea level), you could drop a 7000 ft long measuring tape to the surface of the sea (somewhere with no tides). Heights are referenced to the ground wherever you are, and are noted AGL. They are therefore useful when taking off and landing, when you want to know where exactly the ground is (as well as cruising at low altitude, to know where relevant obstacles are).
But altimeters don't work by dangling measuring tapes under the aircraft, they work by measuring the ambient air pressure and converting it to an altitude. And since the atmospheric pressure is not constant, you have to readjust your altimeter as time passes and as you change location (which is annoying in cruise, where the point is to change locations) to reference the local pressure.
Flight levels are not referenced to any particular topographic feature, they are defined purely in terms of pressure. Flying at FL070 means flying at such an altitude that the ambient air pressure is that you would encounter in ISA (International Standard Atmosphere model) at an altitude of 7000 ft. And since every other aircraft, which are what matters in cruise, are also using that reference, you can now maintain vertical separation with minimum risk of error.
This also has implications in terms of ATC. In the US, whenever establishing contact with a new control center under 18000 ft, you get a new reference pressure. In more civilised parts of the world, the transition altitude and level are given in the ATIS, and pilots set the altimeters twice in the flight (climb and descent).
Every country is allowed to set whatever transition altitude they want. Below transition is altitudes, above is Flight Levels. So the US has a transition altitude of 18,000 ft, so our flight levels start at FL180 (unless altimeter is below 29.92, but that’s another discussion). Fun fact, I believe it’s Germany that has a different transition altitude from their transition flight level (different going up be going down) it’s been a while, so anyone can correct me, but I remember it being 13,000 ft transition going up, but you didn’t transition until passing FL050 coming down. Always got wild going in there.
Without pulling up an approach plate or such to verify, I remember Germany's transition altitude (going up) being 5,000 and the transition level was whenever control gave you an altitude and altimeter setting coming down.
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The earth is cloaked in gray's embrace,
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But then we rise, the engines hum,
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A world awaits beyond the strife,
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Somebody10000@reddit
What plane?
Somebody10000@reddit
Nvm im being slow
resetjet@reddit
You’re about to get a lot of US pilots telling you that the Flight Levels start at FL180.
Sweet Diamond!
_YeetmyPP@reddit (OP)
Huh , didn't know about that one . Yeah the diamonds are really fun planes , started my training in a DV20 then moved to DA40 and now I'm finishing on the DA42
OldPersonName@reddit
There's actually a real distinction because when you're flying at an FL everyone uses a standardized altimeter setting. Under 18,000 feet you'd better be using the local altimeter setting! So saying FL090 technically implies you're at altimeter setting 29.92 regardless of the actual setting.
autist_retard@reddit
Might blow your mind but the transition altitude can be as low as 3000ft, in the Netherlands for example
sillyaviator@reddit
Also, Cuba/Europe/and the rest of the world.
OldPersonName@reddit
Interesting. Noting I didn't realize it was meters originally, do you mean 3000 meters?
Chaxterium@reddit
In the US and in Canada the transition level is 18,000ft. It doesn't change. In the nearly every other part of the world it does change. It can be different at each airport. The transition level can be as low as 3,000ft. So saying FL090 (feet, not meters) is perfectly normal in every part of the world except North America.
Cool-Acanthaceae8968@reddit
You’ve obviously never heard of the Standard Pressure Region in Canada. AIM RAC 2.11. It’s all Flight Levels.
Chaxterium@reddit
I have heard of it. But I don't fly in Northern Canada so I often forget about it. But it only strengthens my point that saying FL090 is perfectly correct in many cases. The only time it's NOT correct is in the US or in the Altimeter Setting Region of Canada.
BenjaminKohl@reddit
Nope, 3000 ft. But I believe when the pressure is really crazy and baro altitude vs standard altitude can be significantly different, they use a higher altitude like 5000.
Renzokuken48@reddit
Yup, in the UK depending on location the transition altitude can be 3000ft or 6000ft in CTR/CTA/TMA environments. Probably similar across Europe and other ICAO regions. Transition level is calculated based on the pressure and like you said can be quite high if super low pressure! FL50 is definitely a thing haha
xXCrazyDaneXx@reddit
In the US...
OldPersonName@reddit
Meter? I barely know her!
Zeewulfeh@reddit
Just got my MEI in a 42, it's a fun and simple plane to fly.
lnrdtx_msndrstd_guy@reddit
Imagine then jumping on the DA 62, that would be neat!
nakedgum@reddit
You could say their responses are… nonstandard.
Kayback2@reddit
Flight Levels start above the transition altitude.
Is it really 17 000+' in the US? Its around 7500' where I have worked.
Battlemanager@reddit
Beat me to it!
antariusz@reddit
something something mountains in that country determine flight level...
Apprehensive_Cost937@reddit
Isn't TA in Alaska still 18,000ft despite Denali being above it? :)
antariusz@reddit
Yes
Pathos675@reddit
I've heard from a United check airman that the UK starts "flight levels" at 5000 ft. I'm in the US.
thesuperunknown@reddit
The standard transition altitude in the UK is 3,000 feet, but in certain ATC control zones (especially the TMAs around larger airports) it can be 5,000 feet (e.g. Manchester, Leeds) or even 6,000 feet (Birmingham, most of Scotland). For some of these, the transition altitude also reverts back down to the standard 3,000 feet outside of ATC service hours.
W33b3l@reddit
I personally don't care either way because regardless of saying FL090 or 9K feet we know what he means.
Now if he said angels 9 ide give him crap lol.
It is weird seeing a flight level starting with a zero though I'll admit. Just because it's not standard or "normal". Wich is the exact reason you thought to make the comment you did 😉
But like said it doesn't really matter either way lol.
I_Am_Zampano@reddit
I also play DCS
thesuperunknown@reddit
Do they not teach US student pilots what a flight level actually is (no, it’s not just “what we call the altitudes above 18,000 feet”)?
rkba260@reddit
In the USA we don't use Transition Altitude or Transition Level like they do elsewhere, it's standardized that this occurs at 18000 regardless of any local barometer settings.
So class A airspace is always FL180 - FL600 in the states.
thesuperunknown@reddit
Yes, I’m fully aware of how it works in the US (because it’s the same here in Canada). My question was more about how the concept is taught, because some US pilots seem to think flight levels = altitudes over 18K feet, which is not the actual definition (even in the US).
rkba260@reddit
It's almost like you don't know what a FL is...
Straight from the FAA...
If all flight in the US is standardized at 29.92 (STD) above 18000, then all levels above that ARE in fact by definition flight levels.
thesuperunknown@reddit
There's no need for ad hominems.
The actual definition of a flight level is exactly as the definition that you quoted says: an altitude based on a pressure altimeter set using ISA surface pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 hPa/"standard"), as opposed to one set using local atmospheric pressure (QNH).
The problem here is that you're conflating this definition with the separate concept of transition altitude, which is the altitude above which flight levels start to be used. And because the TA in the US and Canada is 18,000 ft MSL, you seem to think that a flight level can also be defined as "any altitude above 18,000 ft MSL". In a purely practical sense, this definition is accurate — but only in the US and Canada. It's not accurate in any other part of the world.
You're illustrating exactly why so many people from the US are apparently confused by "FL090". Based on your definition, "FL090" is a nonsensical concept: how can you have a "flight level" at 9,000 ft when "by definition" the flight levels only start at 18000 ft? That's why I'm making the point that your definition is inaccurate and misleading.
When you recognize the difference between a "flight level" and a "transition altitude", and that the latter is not always 18,000 ft, then "FL090" is not confusing. For example, in Germany the TA is 5,000 ft, but a pilot flying from Germany to the Netherlands (where the TA is 3,000 ft) would not be confused when they are given "FL040" by Dutch ATC, because they don't believe that "flight levels are only for altitudes above 5,000 ft".
Schmergenheimer@reddit
We do use a transition altitude. It's standardized at 18,000' to coincide with the start of class A airspace. Other countries use a transition altitude in the same way we do; it just doesn't always correspond one-to-one with the start of class A.
Careful-Republic-332@reddit
You do use. Transition altitude is 18'000ft.
Any_Purchase_3880@reddit
We're taught that referring to an altitude as a flight level implies an altimeter setting of 29.92.
IndependentSubject90@reddit
TIL
r3ditr3d3r@reddit
Hahaha this comment made me hold my tongue
flyawaychris@reddit
He could be outside of the US, in Europe the transition altitude is usually between 4000-6000 depending on the country, so he'd be right calling that FL90 in that case
InterCC@reddit
In my country (The Netherlands) it’s 3000ft for IFR and 3500 for VFR. Since it’s flat here thats both MSL and ASL. 20 minutes to the east I fly in Germany where it is 5000ft (or up to 2000 AGL). Flying for 30 minutes to the south puts me in Belgium where it’s 4500ft. In the mountains (Swiss Alps for example) I can fly 9000ft while just before the mountains it would be FL090.. European flying could be much more clear. :)
I like the clarity of 18000ft in most of North America!
CAVU1331@reddit
Are the props synced?
I am an American pilot and FL 090 breaks my brain every time I cross 30 W going to the rest of the world.
SomeCessnaDriver@reddit
Each engine has a FADEC that sets the prop RPM based on load setting (throttle position). In theory if each engine has the same load setting, it should have the same RPM. But there's no synchronizer or synchrophaser per se.
CAVU1331@reddit
Oof that would drive me nuts. Is it hydraulic or electric pitch?
org000h@reddit
Tbh they’re pretty much always in sync at equivalent power settings, you don’t get that annoying resonance you do in other twins where they go in and out phase with each other even when they aren’t.
CAVU1331@reddit
I sync my N2s because I hate hearing the resonance through the airframe. 🤣
SomeCessnaDriver@reddit
Yeah it can be annoying, you can jiggle the power setting around a bit, but it would be nice to have a blue lever or a synchronizer to get it perfect :-)
Western-Sky88@reddit
Felt insanely strange flying at FL030 in Cuba at 300kts
CAVU1331@reddit
That’s pretty crazy! How are the ATC services there?
Western-Sky88@reddit
I couldn't tell 🤣
ATC always seems pretty great when private aviation is illegal, and the military can't afford to fuel their fleet 😅
Being the only airplane in the sky in an entire country felt very surreal.
DependentSky8800@reddit
It’s just 9000. 🤣
Sasquatch-d@reddit
Imagine being so incorrect and so smug at the same time. I wish I could’ve seen your face when you realized how wrong you were.
Chaxterium@reddit
Only in North America.
Spin737@reddit
Sigh.
SteakSauce12@reddit
Depends on the country, most carribean islands transition level Is like 5000ft
Swwert@reddit
9,000ft
Sasquatch-d@reddit
Aww that’s cute, you think the flight levels start at 180 everywhere in the world.
Chaxterium@reddit
Nope. OP is not in North America and therefore FL090 is correct.
TheHockeyPilot@reddit
Guys relax it's a joke to poke fun at our american friends. I'm from 🍁
BobbyJackT@reddit
I never thought of calling 9000 feet a flight level lmao
taxpayinmeemaw@reddit
That’s because it isn’t
CannonAFB_unofficial@reddit
Tell me you’ve never flown overseas without telling me you’ve never flown overseas.
taxpayinmeemaw@reddit
lol ok
CannonAFB_unofficial@reddit
Wait until you hear about transition level and transition altitude. Mind blowing.
taxpayinmeemaw@reddit
Can’t wait!
Yasin3112@reddit
Transition levels in Europe are much lower, often around 5000ft. Therefore it is FL060 and not 6000ft.
storyinmemo@reddit
Tell me you've never considered aviation outside of the USA without telling me... :)
BelethorsGeneralShit@reddit
I cruise at FL050 when I drive around Denver.
jmonty42@reddit
But only when the altimeter at DEN is 29.92.
mduell@reddit
Depends on the transition altitude in the FIR.
drttrus@reddit
Meow
Pleasant_Run6376@reddit
My ATC brain was hurting when I read flight level but saw only 9k ft lol mistakes happen no biggies
Chaxterium@reddit
It's not a mistake lol. In every part of the world except for North America flight levels can start much much lower. OP is not flying in North America so saying FL090 is perfectly correct.
RhymingTiger@reddit
Not a pilot but an enthusiast. Can someone please explain the majority of these comments about how US and Non-US pilots talked about flight levels? I’m familiar with the US system.
CadenceHarrington@reddit
In Australia, flight levels are from 11,000ft and up because that clears our tallest mountain by 1000ft.
antariusz@reddit
Every country sets its own limit. Supposedly the U.S. used FL180 because it gets you above the tallest mountain peak in the continental u.s. even in the worst possible weather. But regardless every single country sets its own arbitrary rules.
Aware_Style1181@reddit
Waiting for an amazing looking UFO 🛸 to streak by…
MeccIt@reddit
I don't see why not, it must be AI since prop planes can't fly that high
CalzonesOfDunshire@reddit
lol
Pilyoz@reddit
US Pylots who never left their country: 9.000ft ThAt iSnT a FliGhT LeVel
ps3x42@reddit
9,000ft
HFTFY
MeccIt@reddit
https://i.imgur.com/Tr6aUFG.jpg
Wild-Exit6171@reddit
Pilots outside the US getting by poor compensation and work rules calling it FL090
TheHockeyPilot@reddit
In 'MURICAH we say 9000' sir 😂
Gaming_Birb@reddit
No one cares how "murica" says it
FLYING1835@reddit
I sometimes miss flying !!!
hyugafe@reddit
DA42 pilot here! I actually started with 42 and later on tried 50 and 40.
megaduce104@reddit
man the da-42 was such a good plane. if i could fly those for a living, for charter or the like, id do it
andin321@reddit
FL090? lol
Peeterwetwipe@reddit
It is when it actually is.
UV_TP@reddit
I'm not a pilot, just interested in this stuff. Can you elaborate? I know what a flight level is, but why are my fellow Americans up in arms about flying below 18,000 feet?
phellok@reddit
US atc here. they’re not upset about him flying that low, but they’re upset about him calling it FL090. in america we call it niner thousand. intl is diff
UV_TP@reddit
Ah, just nomenclature. Why the change in naming convention at FL180?
phellok@reddit
when the altimeter drop below 29.92, 180 becomes unusable (to ensure proper separation). once you hit 180 and above, everyone is on the same 29.92 altimeter setting. if you’re specifically asking why we chose 180 as the transition, i don’t actually know lol.
DAILY_C8H10N4O2@reddit
Transition altitude was historically determined by the highest peak in an area with an additional margin for safety—typically 1,000’ rounded up to the next thousand. In the Netherlands and most of the UK, due to having no real mountains, transition altitude is only 3,000’ AMSL with a transition layer normally resulting in FL035 being the first usable FL. In the U.S., Mt. Whitney stands at just over 14,500, so 18,000’ provides the ability for local flyers to climb out of valleys first, for safety, before switching to standard pressure, and FL180 provides enough of a buffer for anyone flying across the area to have safe vertical separation (except when pressure is low, as you mentioned).
Alaska is an outlier because 18,000’ was adopted as transition altitude in 1958, just one year before it was granted statehood. So now flyers around Denali (with its peak around 20,000’) and other high altitude locations have minimum enroute altitudes well above FL180. As you know—with the exception of around Denali, where there is a 1,500’ buffer that is not actually Class A—you’ll mostly be in Class A and in touch with yourselves in ATC to provide safe separation.
Geist____@reddit
No.
Altitudes are referenced to the mean sea level. Flying at 7000 AMSL (above mean sea level), you could drop a 7000 ft long measuring tape to the surface of the sea (somewhere with no tides). Heights are referenced to the ground wherever you are, and are noted AGL. They are therefore useful when taking off and landing, when you want to know where exactly the ground is (as well as cruising at low altitude, to know where relevant obstacles are).
But altimeters don't work by dangling measuring tapes under the aircraft, they work by measuring the ambient air pressure and converting it to an altitude. And since the atmospheric pressure is not constant, you have to readjust your altimeter as time passes and as you change location (which is annoying in cruise, where the point is to change locations) to reference the local pressure.
Flight levels are not referenced to any particular topographic feature, they are defined purely in terms of pressure. Flying at FL070 means flying at such an altitude that the ambient air pressure is that you would encounter in ISA (International Standard Atmosphere model) at an altitude of 7000 ft. And since every other aircraft, which are what matters in cruise, are also using that reference, you can now maintain vertical separation with minimum risk of error.
This also has implications in terms of ATC. In the US, whenever establishing contact with a new control center under 18000 ft, you get a new reference pressure. In more civilised parts of the world, the transition altitude and level are given in the ATIS, and pilots set the altimeters twice in the flight (climb and descent).
Outrageous-Split-646@reddit
It’s not just nomenclature, it’s the altitude where you switch from QNH to QNE.
Hbgplayer@reddit
What is QNH/E?
Outrageous-Split-646@reddit
This website gives a good overview.
Peeterwetwipe@reddit
https://www.paramotorclub.org/topic/11712-qnh-qfe-qne-what-does-it-all-mean-explanation/
Dkicker43@reddit
Every country is allowed to set whatever transition altitude they want. Below transition is altitudes, above is Flight Levels. So the US has a transition altitude of 18,000 ft, so our flight levels start at FL180 (unless altimeter is below 29.92, but that’s another discussion). Fun fact, I believe it’s Germany that has a different transition altitude from their transition flight level (different going up be going down) it’s been a while, so anyone can correct me, but I remember it being 13,000 ft transition going up, but you didn’t transition until passing FL050 coming down. Always got wild going in there.
AJsarge@reddit
Without pulling up an approach plate or such to verify, I remember Germany's transition altitude (going up) being 5,000 and the transition level was whenever control gave you an altitude and altimeter setting coming down.
Dkicker43@reddit
Like I said, been a while. We may have just gotten 130 one trip. But yeah, always fun figuring out
UV_TP@reddit
Very interesting. Thank you for the response!
Mazer1415@reddit
I had heard ICAO was considered switching to FL180 transition several years ago. Don’t know why they didn’t.
LostPilot517@reddit
Isn't the transition altitude just country specific, not an ICAO thing? A lot of countries that conform to ICAO have varying Transition altitudes.
Mazer1415@reddit
Right. But there was a discussion about standardization a few years back.
LostPilot517@reddit
It sure would make things easier and one less thing to deal with when flying international.
Reasonable-Panda-235@reddit
So peaceful☺️☺️
jicrix200@reddit
It’s looking very cool 😎
rroberts3439@reddit
My favorite flight begins below,
Where shadows linger, and storm winds blow.
The earth is cloaked in gray's embrace,
A tempest whispers, a somber face.
But then we rise, the engines hum,
Through veils of rain, where thunder drums.
A world awaits beyond the strife,
Where sunlight breathes a softer life.
Above the storm, a realm unfolds,
Of golden light and clouds of gold.
A tranquil sea of white and blue,
A heaven born from shadows' hue.
This is the magic of the skies,
To leave the storm, and gently rise.
blue9er@reddit
🥹
RTB2012@reddit
My happy place; above the clouds, in the sunshine, below a blue sky. Nice video!
Asieloth@reddit
Καλημέρα, egnatia