Crew rest area of a 737.

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BoysLinuses@reddit

I believe most people call this a blanket fort

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Critical_Ad_8175@reddit

Basic economy, main economy, premium economy, blanket fort, business, first

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Wolverlog@reddit

There would be toddlers ransacking the place!

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curtizg@reddit

what airline would provide this ? LOL

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plhardman@reddit

Looks like GOL runs a B38M on Brasilia-Orlando, clocked at 8h10m. Rough.

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CoinMover@reddit

I've done the Island Hopper. It's a very rare edge case where that crew gets a duty time exemption from Federal Aviation Administration specifically for that route.

Review: https://mikertw.com/island-hopping-ua-154/

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MortonRalph@reddit

Same. Did it in the 90s as a civilian contractor for the DoD. Fun ride. Wonderful places, wouldn't want to live on any of them.

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NoIdeaHalp@reddit

Curious, why you wouldn’t want to live on any of them?

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I did for short stints as a DoD contractor. Like any remote posting, be prepared to provide your own entertainment or be horribly bored. Most of these places are so small you can walk around them in a few hours. If you like to swim or hang at the beach, great. If not, come prepared. At least now you can have internet (usually). Back when I was out there in the pre-internet days I read a LOT of books.

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Centapeeedonme@reddit

Grew up on navy bases, knew a family from Guam super nice, they made amazing food. This was 35 plus years ago and my mom is still in contact with them.

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puchiimx5@reddit

Excellent read, thank you!

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Yaej@reddit

Thanks for the read!

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plhardman@reddit

100%, it’s a very special route. I hope to fly it someday. Thanks for the link!

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CommuterType@reddit

What are you going on about?

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rasslinjobber@reddit

One that lets the flight attendants hotbox the John Denver memorial dope yurt

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ballimi@reddit

You can see it on the safety card. GOL

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SupermanFanboy@reddit

You couldn't make a better punchline if you tried. GOD

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sillyaviator@reddit

Autocorrect got ya, it's spelled GOL

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bungalowHummus503@reddit

Gol is a town in Norway..

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sillyaviator@reddit

What's the gol of this joke?

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bungalowHummus503@reddit

If you can't see it whit your Gol,geles .. then I can't help you I'm sorry

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Binford6200@reddit

Oh my Gol

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dtdowntime@reddit

thats hilarious holy shit im dying

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johnny_effing_utah@reddit

Smells like sex, too.

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The_Great_Squijibo@reddit

Awkward Airways

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msackeygh@reddit

I mean, it's not all that awkward. I have seen something similar but with something more built like curtains on rails, but still in the back area of a 737.

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Western-Tourist-7028@reddit

For example Qantas.

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External_Hunt4536@reddit

How long do the crew members get to rest? Can they take a nap in there?

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Beanbag_Ninja@reddit

Guaranteed passengers would still draw back the curtain and say "don't mean to disturb you but..."

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this_many_things@reddit

"I peed"

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Sea-Ingenuity-9508@reddit

Looks look really bad. Why treat employees like that?

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Appropriate-Count-64@reddit

Well, they don’t really have other options. The 737 wasn’t made to fly for long enough where you’d need crew rest areas, so the fuselage isn’t big enough to support them. You could technically implement them (Assuming the 707 had them) but it would be a decently big interior modification that would likely cut down on maximum seats. So instead you get this.

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Sea-Ingenuity-9508@reddit

Ok I get it from the technology perspective. The airline can do better, even if it is a low cost airline. Why not use a simple cabin partition with curtains in the rear or somewhere else suitable. Very easy to do, also very budget friendly. Why treat employees like this, in front of the airline's customers on flights? Customers see this and what perception does it create of the airline's values.

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stephen1547@reddit

They have the option to not buy a 737 and use it for long haul.

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Appropriate-Count-64@reddit

It’s GOL. They are big on fleet commonality and the only other planes that would have crew rest areas would be old as hell 757s and A321LR/XLRs, both of which would be a radical departure from their fleet composition.

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clancy688@reddit

Then they have the option of not covering that route if none of the aircraft they can use for it are really suited for it.

Nah, some manager sees revenue to be made and has the crews suffer for it. I mean that's their choice as a company, but it makes them a shitty company.

Don't act as if they are so how forced to inflict that on their crews. There always is a choice, and a doubt that GOL is going out of business if they don't cover whatever route that is with a 737...

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

Dude, I don't think this route is barely lucrative for them, for real. Was like 400 dols the leg between USA and Brazil (8hr flight). I often pay the same within brazil in 2 to 3 hr flights from Rio to any northeastern region Brazilian state.

its more marketing than revenue i guess. like 'Gol is awesome, they even have flights to USA'

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basilect@reddit

Early December is generally the lowest of low seasons for flying in the US (between 2 major holidays) so flights are cheap going to/from/within. So those $300 flights are only that price in the dead of winter.

It's also a great time for cargo, so I bet that hold is pretty full, and a full belly can make it worth it to fly routes where the passenger traffic isn't as lucrative

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Appropriate-Count-64@reddit

I wasn’t agreeing with the decision GOL made regarding flying this route, I was just supplying the context for this specific equipment choice. To be clear, I think this is stupid and GOL shoudlve either not operated the route or figured out a way to have a proper crew rest area.

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fly_awayyy@reddit

The 757 and A321 don’t have your traditional crew rest you’d find in a wide-body either. This is a classic case of your union or “the unions” in the states bargaining for adequate rest facilities not like this. As other mentioned JetBlue uses a regular lie flat Business seat in their A321s. Fly Dubai/Copa also have lie flats on their 737MAX although don’t know if they need crew rest. But just reinforcing this is airline specific.

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JimmyCarters-ghost@reddit

That’s expensive

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FMC_Speed@reddit

I’m a pilot on 738 and I love ferry return flights, especially the long ones from Africa or Asia, because of the multi crew returning together, the cabin kind of turns into a dorm room, with groups of people, some reading, some gossiping, some playing cards, some watching series’s on their iPads, and everyone moves around and mingles, honestly, we complain about how exhausting these long flights are, but I, deep down enjoy the special atmosphere

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greenthumb151@reddit

I totally read that in your pilot voice.

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Pamikillsbugs234@reddit

That sounds awesome! I'm happy you enjoy your job or that part, at least.

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rasslinjobber@reddit

Yes the John Denver memorial dope yurt

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wernerwiener@reddit

Why do they even augment the crew on a 8h sector? Even with WOCL Encroachment I do not see the need.

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

Brazilian regulations says that a journey of more than 12hrs might have an augmented crew.

but most of the operators do this on journeys of more than 8hrs because of Brazilian work laws (in journeys of 8hrs you need to get at least 1hr of lunch and so)

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wernerwiener@reddit

So they are even more restrictive than EASA. Thank you. We would basically usually fly anything with 10h max FDP non-augmented

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

Yeah!! Believe it or not, our aviation regulations are extremely conservative and prioritize safety above everything else. It's no coincidence that Gol, in over 20 years of operations, has only had one hull loss—and that was because the aircraft was hit by a Legacy jet flying with its transponder and TCAS turned off.

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tomcis147@reddit

You are not making it back with FDP extension. Most likely they turn around and fly back

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wernerwiener@reddit

18h FDP with two sectors? Brazilian CAA allows this? Crazy

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

no.

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Zorten101@reddit

How long are the flights on a 737 that justify a crew rest area?

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

by Brazilian aviation regulation, 12hrs journey needs augmented crew.

by Brazilian labour laws, any journey over than 6hrs need to have at 15 min interval for lunch, more than 7, at least 1hr.

I don't know what's the criteria used by GOL, but I imagine that as the journey exceeds 8hrs (from presenting in the airport to to leaving the airport) they might augment the crew so they won't violate any of the laws ant regulations

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bonnies_ranch@reddit

Row 12? The middle of the aircraft is diabolical lol

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

We don't have rows 13 and 16 in Brazil.

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RodriguezTheZebra@reddit

I understand 13 but why no 16?

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

in some Asian cultures the spelling of 16 resembles the spelling of the word "death".

I just can't understand why Gol implemented that

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focus9912@reddit

Isn't Latin America well known for having a rather sizable East Asian community that migrated there during the 19th and 20th century?

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

makes sense

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bonnies_ranch@reddit

Yeah we don't have them in Germany either. Just saw the 12 at the top, but whatever, still crazy it's in the middle of the Airplane. Usually these make shift crew rests are at the rear of the cabin. Only reasons I could think of are either that they want the rest area to be as far away from a lavatory as possible, or the last rows have less space. The last 3 rows on Lufthansa's A320neo are a lot more cramped than the rest for example

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Frostlakeweaver@reddit

Janky! That's not comfortable! I would never fly that airline again.

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

I cannot do that. And I'm top tier on that airline, so 😬

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0ever@reddit

Man what a miserable thing. Wide bodies ftw I guess

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cloopz@reddit

Wide body pilot here.

Wide bodies also have this...

Not all wide bodies have CRCs…

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good_gamer2357@reddit

Namely the a330, Qantas didn’t have the greatest reception to sending their a330-200s from Brisbane to LAX being that they lacked a proper crew rest for the 13 hour flights

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meh_whatev@reddit

Ik that AC blocks one of the business class seats for crew rest on long flights

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Eknowltz@reddit

They do that on aircraft with CRC as well when there is 4 pilots, it’s part of the contract.

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JustLightChop@reddit

I fly the 767 and my airline blocks out a first class seat as well. We used to have a pod in the forward cargo bay but they got rid of that.

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Glen_Echo_Park@reddit

How did you get down to the cargo bay?

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JustLightChop@reddit

There’s a door (usually where a lavatory or a storage cabinet would be) that leads to some stairs down into the area. This doesn’t look exactly like it but it’s pretty similar:

https://images.app.goo.gl/2AnHdtmZoiZcoQn29

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Isa_Matteo@reddit

What do 330’s have between the cockpit and forward galley if not crew rest area?

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cloopz@reddit

Yea our fleet of 777 only has the ULR used aircrafts that have the CRC. The ones used for shorter distances don’t have them.

Lots of extra weight to have if you don’t need it.

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ASAPdUrmom@reddit

You ought to see cargo MD 11 rest area.. I call it "camping" to feel better about it

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Cool-Acanthaceae8968@reddit

You can have a proper crew rest area in a 737. It’s just going to take away more revenue seats and add weight.

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MrFrequentFlyer@reddit

This looks like it took away revenue seats

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Johnny-Cash-Facts@reddit

But it’s a temporary loss.

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lolariane@reddit

The loss of dignity isn't temporary. 🤭

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MrFrequentFlyer@reddit

True. Which allows for other shorter flights

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Koryx080@reddit

To my knowledge, on the 737-7, -8, -9, and -10 there are no options for crew rest areas.

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Spirited_Tell_8827@reddit

I’ve gotten that seat before 👌🏾

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Which_Ear8452@reddit

Those are actual curtains for the crew rest seats…disgusting!

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

I’m surprised they didn’t use the very last rows, but damn that absolutely sucks and I feel for the crew. Narrow body flights like this absolutely suck ass and should honestly be illegal but here we are…

Even on the A330, you’re stuck sleeping in the seats in the back if there’s any seats left.

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JayArrggghhhh@reddit

One airline I worked with blocked the last row of CDE (non reclining) for the FA's, then (when they need a second set of pilots) put the pilots in the second last row of CDE seats, so they got reclining seats, and minimal disturbances. FAs and FMs didn't have duty time limits, so we had some 20+.hour days.

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

This is pretty much what it is like a my company at the moment minus the duty limit. Our duty limits are 13th with a possible maximum extension to 18hr but I’ve only come close once.

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

they used this one because is the regular row prior to over wing exits, so no reclining. 8hrs in a non reclining seat with practically no legroom is torture, so they have spared the passenger of such misery

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SeeMarkFly@reddit

Don't worry about it. A couple more advances in A.I. for the autopilot and they won't need humans anymore.

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SeeMarkFly@reddit

Stop Hiring Humans

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/12/ai-company-trolls-san-francisco-with-billboards-saying-stop-hiring-humans/

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nsdjoe@reddit

I once flew in the very last row of the lower level on an a380, in front of the bulkhead with no recline from Sydney to LAX. Yeah that wasn't a very fun trip

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

ouch

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

The ones at the back also don’t recline. Most airlines I’ve seen will try and save the very last row for their crew to sleep and in the case of the A330 and narrow body aircraft that have business class, a business class seat for crew rest. This is very odd by GOL is this is standard practice.

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GoldElectric@reddit

i sat on a singapore airlines 737 max 8 and i can confirm the last row does recline. only the emergency, and the row in front of it can't

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goose38@reddit

AC uses biz class seats for crew rest for pilots

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

Yes, this is true.

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

On GOL the last row reclines. Bathrooms are still like a row (newer desings are using them sharing space with the galley) so they managed to have some space between the row and the bathroom. Gonna try to take a photo of it. Theres kinda of a curved wall that narrows the bathroom, so then there was room to recline the seat.

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nineyourefine@reddit

arrow body flights like this absolutely suck ass and should honestly be illegal but here we are…

Why? This is exactly what people want. Cheap flights right? This is what you get. Pack a narrowbody full of seats, charge rock bottom prices and away we go!

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

Thinking exactly like an airline executive with little to no thought in regard to the people who have to work on those flights. They’re human to and need to get their rest because their job is hard and physically and mentally taxing. Sure, cheap flights is one thing but there should also be provisions for proper crew rest facilities so the crew gets the adequate rest they need as to be able to carry out their jobs safely.

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nineyourefine@reddit

Thinking exactly like an airline executive with little to no thought in regard to the people who have to work on those flights.

I work on those flights. Doesn't make my statement false.

It's what people want. Cheapest flights possible, and this is the result of it. As flight crew, I don't have a say in what airframe my company buys, I just fly the thing.

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habu-sr71@reddit

So you choose to put the onus on customers and not management? Or not on regulators?

Absurd. One person doesn't have any power other than trying to make it and keep a budget. Of course the public is going to always be attracted to lower prices. What, you expect the public to form Customer Unions and try to pressure airlines into treating customers and staff humanely? What other mechanism is possible?

The degradation in the air travel experience is squarely on the shoulders of your management and on the toothless scared regulatory bodies of the US and the world.

But props for the much improved safety though over the years.

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nineyourefine@reddit

The degradation in the air travel experience is squarely on the shoulders of your management and on the toothless scared regulatory bodies of the US and the world.

You can choose to fly across the ocean for under $500 round trip (And in some cases MUCH cheaper) if you sit in economy with basically just a seat and a basic meal OR you can spend thousands can enjoy a first class experience. It's up to YOU how much you want to open your wallet. So no, air travel hasn't degraded, it's actually gotten much better and more available to more people than ever.

People think that they deserve first class service for greyhound prices. That's not how any of this works.

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

No you’re not wrong at all. And personally as I stated in an earlier comment, I haven’t minded my narrowcast transatlantic flights as a passenger. They didn’t really feel any different. I’ve been on at least 4 flights on the A321neo/XLR and it’s a very comfortable plane. Plenty of leg room (I’m 6’2”).

But having worked on these aircraft (not yet on an overseas), and hearing the stories from my colleagues they don’t seem all that great to operate on. The A330 as my airline configures it is already a dud, the narrow bodies seem even worse.

But whatever gets prices down. As long as a solution to this crew rest problem is eventually solved.

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pup5581@reddit

GOL I think does an 8 hour flight to MIA in the 73. And ICE is going 8 hour to the US. That must be AWFUL on a narrow body

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

it was

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UW_Ebay@reddit

I agree. Long haul on narrow bodies is terrible. I responded about this on a post of the new long range a320 and all the airbus stans were so butt hurt.

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

From an engineering perspective it’s impressive and cool, and as a passenger it’s honestly not any different. But for crew it’s absolutely brutal and is a huge problem for airlines to work around. It’s also not just an Airbus problem, as Boeing 737MAXs are now becoming really popular and common aircraft for “long and skinny” routes.

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UW_Ebay@reddit

Agree on the engineering perspective. Disagree on the passenger perspective. Single aisle jets for longer and transatlantic flights feel way more cramped than on wide body jets.

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Tlr321@reddit

I flew from PDX to KEF on a 757 back in 2017 & it was practically torture. I was ready to jump out 5 hours into the flight.

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

this was my feeling. i was desperate to look far. to breathe more air. it was kinda claustrofobic.

and I know if it was the seats, pitch, but it was really hard to sleep. I generally fly American 787 on Mia-Gig (~same flight time) and the travel experience is waaaay better.

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UW_Ebay@reddit

Wow! Yeah we did Barcelona to New York on a 757 awhile back and it was brutal. I’m probably just having PTSD from how bad the people behind us smelled but I still much prefer a wide body for any length of flight tbh…

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flightist@reddit

I’ve done transatlantic as pax in 321s and I think I’d rather that than be stuck in the middle of a high density WB for the same amount of time.

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Olhapravocever@reddit

Even for passengers is brutal. The cabin is more crammed, there is less space to stretch your legs and the cabin pressure control is less advanced

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animealt46@reddit

It's a problem Airbus and Boeing contribute to but ultimately it's an interior design problem so a lot of blame rests in the Airlines who like to do their own interiors but haven't come up with a good solution for long and skinny yet.

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

Well said. Yes it’s up to the airlines to decide what provisions they include within their interiors. Whether they provide a row or two or sacrifice it to make more money. Same with the galley space. All intentional decisions.

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animealt46@reddit

In fairness it is a difficult choice since nobody seems to have found a good answer yet (and such an answer once it arrives will likely be copied industry wide). But I suspect the new huge Max 10 and XLR cabins will eventually integrate some form of new galley and crew rest areas. It's still going to be a huge advantage for truly long and thin routes to be able to use these jets instead of old 757s or widebodies.

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flightist@reddit

I’ve got multiple 7:30+ MAX rev flights in my logbook and of all the shit I could hate about this airplane, the fact that it can do these is top of the list.

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GenitalPatton@reddit

Saw this on a transatlantic flight on an A321Neo last week. At least the whole plane was business class with lie-flat seats.

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Albort@reddit

makes me wonder if the A321XLR have a crew rest now...

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

La Compagnie right? Lucky duck, I’d love to fly on that airline someday!

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GenitalPatton@reddit

Yup that’s right! Was a lovely experience! Keep an eye out because they often run some pretty great promotions. My partner and I booked this trip back in February when they ran a BOGO ticket deal.

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msackeygh@reddit

I do hate the trend of single aisle aircrafts doing long haul. Yuck.

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Schruef@reddit

Wow, really? I thought the A330 would have some sort of crew accommodations

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

It does… technically. It was more common with the A340s I’ve been told and you can find picture online but some airlines would have a special ULD container in the belly and have some stairs heading down where the crew rest area would be. However, some airlines including mine don’t want to sacrifice that cargo space and would rather fill it with cargo. So most A330s I have been on have had the last row saved for crew to sleep.

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Bradyj23@reddit

My airline has crew rest on the 330. One is in the bulk cargo and the other is in the regular cargo hold. They are actually pretty decent.

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

I am beyond jealous. Did 3 overseas on the 330. YYZ-MAN, YYZ-BOG, YYZ-VIE, and thankfully we had some seats for all those but I’ve heard stories of their being no seats for flights to LIS, MAD and BCN which sounds like hell.

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24Whiskey@reddit

Our airline has one LDMCR on our 330’s. They differ depending on if it’s a -200, -300 or -900 but all of them beat having a seat in the cabin. I did a leg with the rest area MEL’d with a break during meal service and it was not pleasant.

When you mean no seats are you saying everyone’s taking a break on a jumpseat?

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

Yup. Fairly regular from what I heard on those LIS, MAD and BCN flights. Maybe even MXP and VCE too, but definitely the later 3. Not great. Same with the YHZ-LHR flights on the 737. Little in the way of us having somewhere to rest.

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PaulVla@reddit

More pictures and info of the lower deck solution:

https://www.safran-group.com/products-services/lower-deck-mobile-crew-rest-exceptional-comfort-during-long-haul-flights-your-cabin-crew

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IndyCarFAN27@reddit

Great link!

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PaulVla@reddit

Thank you! I was on the team that made this concept back in the day.

Happy to see it is in the public now!

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colonelcasey22@reddit

I thought so too but I flew a Hawaiian A330 to JFK and their crew rest was the last 3 middle rows of the economy cabin covered by curtains.

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Avime2003@reddit

WTF!

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soniccsam@reddit

Laughs in C17

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Haeenki@reddit

8 hrs in a 737, that must be torture.

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

it is indeed

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mysteryprickle@reddit

Ew

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KurtDali@reddit

Go Brazil yayy

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Savings_Art5944@reddit

I want to build a blanket fort next trip.

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Figit090@reddit

You've got to be kidding. 🤣

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bright_brightonian@reddit

This was posted yesterday

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TimTimeW@reddit

Qantas does this on their A330’s which were configured for domestic flying but are now also used for long haul. I think it is appalling.

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HumanServices@reddit

It’s disgraceful at best

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Myusername468@reddit

I mean its better than the jump seat

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Existing_Whereas@reddit

Thought it was an encampment

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royaltrux@reddit

They need a union.

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cWayland@reddit

They are unionized. This is not the US, every profession has an union

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LostPilot517@reddit

I worked for a 737 charter airline, where some routes required augmented pilot operations, however we used Class 3 rest facilities. "A class 3 rest facility is a seat in an aircraft cabin or flight deck that reclines at least 40 degrees. It provides leg and foot support."

A class 3 doesn't permit as long of an FDP as a Class 2 or Class 1, but geez that is a bonkers setup, I can't believe this qualifies for a rest facility.

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

Gol doesn't have anything close to Business Class.

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LostPilot517@reddit

Yes, we removed regular seats and created the Class 3 rest facility. The seats were for crew use only. You don't need a business class. We actually had on that particular plane a domestic "first class" but still had to make adjustments to permit the facility.

Obviously, GOL doesn't fall under FAA or 117/121 regulations, and they have their own oversight. So I am not familiar with their regulations regarding augmented crews.

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cWayland@reddit

This airplane also flies regular shorter routes, like one flight following the other, it's impractical to install and remove different seatings.

Since ANAC and FAA have an agreement, Gol do follow FAA unless ANAC says something else

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fly_awayyy@reddit

This is the right answer

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Ok_Depth9164@reddit

This looks like giant underwear.

At least on the A321, you get a full lie flat and curtained cubicle, like JetBlue has for its crews.

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mjlsweden@reddit

That's not a feature of the aircraft ... in 737s, they can have lie-flats too ... just like A321s can be without

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Ok_Depth9164@reddit

No you’re right, I shouldn’t have made it aircraft specific. The one example I’m familiar with just happens to be a 321.

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mjlsweden@reddit

Airlines are cheap and this type of crap is why I'll never become a pilot. Poor sleep is a safety and health issue. One of the reasons airline crew are so unhealthy unfortunately

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Ok_Depth9164@reddit

No doubt, it’s tough. I’ve been on the job for 9 years and I think I’ve aged 20 years lol

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Lackonia@reddit

Kyle: I boinked her

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disfannj@reddit

having spent many hours in one, it's quite nice. this loos terrible and fatiguing.

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theduck08@reddit

What if the person is too tall?

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professorbasket@reddit

why cant we have that!? I'm so bringing a sheet next time.

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Pamikillsbugs234@reddit

I would fly more often if I could have one of these.

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TapDancinJesus@reddit

What do I have to do to get my own goon cave on a flight?

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balsadust@reddit

If the sheet is a rocking, don't come a knocking.

At least it doesn't have a cuck chair like the 767

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Fourteen_Sticks@reddit

How does that legally qualify as a crew rest area?

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ProfessionalLime2237@reddit

Jetblue?

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Wings_Of_Power@reddit

8 hours on a narrow body is fucking nuts. What route?

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JimmyCarters-ghost@reddit

I’ve done 6 in a middle seat on a max 8. It was terrible.

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slip-slop-slap@reddit

I did PER-KUL which is about 6, and the entertainment didn't have any movies or shows loaded 😂

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Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

I've done 12 in the pilot seat. That felt pretty nuts to me. At least in the back you can close you're eyes for a little.

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_Makaveli_@reddit

Why couldn't you nap for a while?

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Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

I was flying. In the US we don't really do the controlled rest that you may see more commonly throughout the rest of the world.

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_Makaveli_@reddit

Huh, interesting. While obviously not ideal, here in EASAland it is kind of encouraged to have coordinated naps, with the rationale being that you rather have one person take a quick voluntary nap, as opposed to both pilots falling asleep involuntarily.

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Swimming_Way_7372@reddit

I certainly agree. I've flown with people who have fallen asleep and I don't really bother them as long as I feel fit. I subscribe to the same belief that if they are tired enough to sleep while trying to stay awake, they aren't awake enough to fly to their best ability. Let em sleep and when they wake up they should be good to go.

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

They have some long hauls with the MAX. This one was MIA-BSB. But they also have MCO-BSB, MCO-FOR, MCO-NAT, MCO-REC. They even had JFK-BSB (\~9hrs)

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tropicbrownthunder@reddit

Long-haul in narrowbody.

Been there and oh boy it sucked every minute.

It was a CCS-EZE flight and originally planned airframe was a wet leased A340 something from a Maltese leaser (HighFly perhaps?)

But had some techical problem and half of the pax in the flight were transfered to make the flight in a leese's B734.

Had to refuel somewhere in the middle (I think it was VVI) because actual distance was very very very out of plane's range.

Worse 9 hours of my life without a doubt

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delinquentfatcat@reddit

Airplane crew are living organisms, too. They need a place to nest and leave offspring.

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FlightBazza@reddit

I’d rather not sleep 😂

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the_whole_arsenal@reddit

Can I ask what flight this is? The B38M has a max range of 3550 miles, so theoretically, it shouldn't even have seven hour flights.

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Khyle_01@reddit

Theoretically, no - Actually, 3550 nautical miles is plenty distance to cover in a lot more time than 7 hours. Flight time relies on wind as well as distance. Some of these 7 hours routes in the 737 are 2,500 nautical miles.

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stereoactivesynth@reddit

Just gotta put it in neutral and ~~coast~~ glide every now and then.

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

Yes. This is the one. 7:30hrs flying, and some more dozens of minutes planing and deplaning

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RandalPMcMurphyIV@reddit

Mile High Club Application Verification Compartment.

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747ER@reddit

Why is this seen as a bad thing when it’s on a 737MAX, but it’s praised when it’s an A321XLR?

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GeneratedUserHandle@reddit

The XLR uses lay flat seats for pilot crew rest. Not sure about FAs.

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747ER@reddit

Critically, there will be no designated space for crew rest. It is likely (but not guaranteed) that airlines will leave some seats free on longer flights to allow for crew rest.

It seems like the XLR’s lay-flat seats are an airline’s decision to allow the crew to rest in J Class. As far as crew rest goes, the 737MAX and A321NY are the same.

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JimmyCarters-ghost@reddit

Airbus fan boys are crazy that’s why.

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snonsig@reddit

Doesn't the 321 have it's own rest area for Crews?

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biggsteve81@reddit

No.

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Back2thehold@reddit

It’s the Wack Shack!

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delinquentfatcat@reddit

Airplane crew are living organisms, too. They need to nest and leave offspring.

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Fancy-Restaurant-746@reddit

Economy plus plus

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rocket42236@reddit

So what is in the space above the galley, where the crew rest area usually is if the plane doesn’t have it?

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

it's not above the galley. usually they stand where the overhead bings are.

notice that you'll see some doors locked both in front and in the back of airplanes that has crew rest

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hr2pilot@reddit

Wife and I just got off a 6.5 hour flight from west coast to HNL on a Max8. Using this 2-3 hour airplane on long distance overseas legs is FUCKING INTOLERABLE. To airlines: If you can’t fill a fucking wide body with people on a run like this, get out of the fucking business.

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Intheswing@reddit

My wife - a FA for American said they had those for 767 back in the day- she flies Dreamliner only now for trips ORD to Europe

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VulgarButFluent@reddit

The dreamliner OFCR are nice, the forward one is like an upstairs sitting room lmao

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Same_Impact5182@reddit

Read that first part in Borat’s voice, what is wrong with me

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Intheswing@reddit

🤣

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AvGeek73M@reddit

This is completely normal in single aisle aircraft or old wide body, independent of the airline. But according, for example, to Brazilian Aviation Regulations as in the case of the aircraft above, a standard seat for crew rest is guaranteed and there is a certain flight time limit for this type of crew (composed? Unless mistaken) precisely because there is no private rest area.

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50percentvanilla@reddit (OP)

take your investment and twice the inflation of the period from your initial.

and leave the rest there. now everything is profit

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