Ahahaaa.. oh man, actually i really feel for you all hey. Much love from Australia... but can you at least admit Trump is a dumpster fire and you got conned?
Cuck, appropriate name for you. Funny too that you're not even American, who cares what you think?
Mass deportations, eliminating government overspending, fighting for better trade deals and imposing tarrifs, yeah I'm getting everything i voted for. Under 3% inflation in back to back months for the first time in 4 years. Jobs report doing well too.
Sp500 taking a 6% hit, for one liberals are crying over hedge funds losing some money.
Youre funny, calling me a cuck while your country gets fucked right in front of you. Theyre eliminating the government, not the waste. Your president is responsible for destabilising the entire global economy because he doesnt even understand what tariffs are.
Hes a joke. Unfortunately hes the kind of joke that builds concentration camps and deports people en masse without due process, do i need to tell you what comes when the camps get full?
He doesnt know what hes doing, none of his staff know what theyre doing. The whole world is watching and its not because youre kicking goals buddy.
This is a slow mo trainwreck that will destroy the world as we know it and you are still cheering him on . Youre kissing Putins ass, threatening your neighbours and in a trade war with the country that supplies the minerals required for almost every weapon/car/electronic device you manufacture.
Without china, without tourists, without bean pickers, what kind of country will you have? someone has to pick the beans, are you going to do it? Or your kids? Tourism industry is on verge of collapse, agriculture is the same..
What kind of country are you imagining because if you think about the actual consequences of not just his policies but his flip flopping youll see that this is the biggest disaster you have ever faced.
People are fleeing the bond market. That is BAD NEWS. Unemployment is not at 3% its at 4.2%. Vital institutions like NOAA, the IRS and the judicial system, social security, FDA, FAA, CDC- institutions which hold the country together and keep people safe - are being dismantled and something like 100000 veterans are now out of work.
And youre cheering it on. You think this is good governing? Its a wrecking ball. He is spitting on your precious constitution! Tearing it up right in front of you. I know there are some Germans who say they never saw it coming, but there are more who cheered Hitler on, thinking this is what they wanted. They wanted a strongman, and they got one.
Inflation under 3% in back to back months for the first time in over 4 years. Great jobs report. The sp500 is down 6% yoy
Where were you when it was down 25% yoy 2022-2023? Were you shit posting on reddit about it?
How so? Inflation is down under 3% in back to back months for the first time in 4 years. Jobs report also booming. The SP500 is down about 6% yoy. It was down 25% 2022-2023, where were you then?
It's also approaching 100 days. Takes about 6-12 months for fiscal policy to take affect. But go on, post on reddit about it instead of getting out there and voting. First republican to win the popular vote in over 30 years
Yeah, tarrifs earn money from other countries paying their dues and stimulate the local economy be encouraging domestic production and investment. Did they skip that chapter at your expensive school?
The definition of import taxes have not changed in the last 6 months. Import tariffs are paid by the importers.
The idea is that they are levied so that we rely less on foreign imports and buy more domestically. The problem is that we don't and can't produce everything domestically.
Even if that was the plan, prices will go up for the years that it takes to get US production to match our import. Regardless the exporter (ie, China) does not pay anything for import tariffs.
Do not engage. This sub has grown hard left over the years. They don't understand the motive companies have to make stuff in America, create American jobs to avoid tariffs.
You think foreign companies are just going to take the increased cost of doing business with America and not raise prices to compensate? When in the history of capitalism has that happened?
Maybe you should look into when America implemented tariffs in the late 1920's, and what happened immediately after
Other countries aren’t paying anything. Companies that import stuff pay a higher tax to the US govt, and turn around and charge customers that same amount to make up the difference. So US customers end up subsidizing domestic companies that made expensive stuff that couldn’t compete in a free market. We prop up the losers who went begging for help when they couldn’t win in the market.
I'm capable of learning when presented with new information that proves to be true. Let's see if that applies to everybody here when the trump economy once again booms.
Who do you think actually eats the cost of tariffs? You think corporations swallow that like good little boys so the rest of us don’t have to suffer? Did you miss when the pudge milky musk said we’d all suffer for a couple years? 😂😂
Stock market is up recently because of hope of the trump economy, it started booming ever since November 6th. It'll likely dip in the coming weeks when people take profits before the holidays.
All other stocks are inflated. The value isn't going up, just the dollar being used as the metric to determine value is worth less. A stock up worth $100 in 2020 now worth $124 isn't up 24%, it's actually worth less because of inflation.
Corporate greed is a liberal cop out because they can't admit their side is wrong and has bad fiscal policies
The country that sends products to the US don't pay the tariff. The American wholesaler pays the tariff and passes that expense on to its customers. It's like a sales tax.
The question will be, will a business want to cover the tariffs for importing from China? Do they build a manufacturing plant here? Or do they raise prices to cover the cost?
So you think Americans will make this stuff for cheaper? Labor costs will rise, and there is no way the infrastructure is there anyway in the next few months to support the labor.
You know American consumers are the ones who pay the tariffs right? And that they’re compounding typically raising prices by more than just the base percent (i.e. 25% tariff making prices rise by 30%). Most manufacturing cannot just be picked up and moved to the US. That takes decades to build the infrastructure for, also even if you did move it you’re still paying for the raw material to be imported. On top of all of this, when we implement tariffs other countries do the same to us. This makes companies want to leave the US for manufacturing because you’re choosing between tariffs on only goods going to the US or tariffs on every good to the world besides the US. Tariffs do not work in a modern economy, we got a reminder of that with Trumps previous steel tariffs that cause prices to just and US steel plants to close
Looks like cars/car parts, minerals, plastics, oil, concrete materials, electronics are going to get wrecked. Sooo basically everything related to them
U.S. president-elect Donald Trump said on Monday that on his first day in office he would impose a 25 per cent tariff on all products from Mexico and Canada, and an additional 10 per cent tariff on goods from China, citing concerns over illegal immigration and the trade of illicit drugs.
"On January 20th, as one of my many first Executive Orders, I will sign all necessary documents to charge Mexico and Canada a 25% Tariff on ALL products coming into the United States, and its ridiculous Open Borders," Trump said in a post on Truth Social.
Trump said the tariffs would remain in place until the two countries clamp down on drugs, particularly fentanyl, and migrants crossing the border illegally.
Haaahaahaahaaaahaaahaaaaahaaahaaahaahhaaahhaaaaaaaaaahaaaahha oh shit aahahhhahahhahahhahaha...
He doesn't know how tariffs work at all... I can't wait for him to enact this, and his minions to be dumbfounded as to why their shit spiked in costs 50%.
Welcome to Idiocracy 2, you dumb fu@ks who voted for the least qualified man to run the 800 lbs gorilla (part 2) and this time there are no Congress safety nets. The world and mostly North America will pay and pay. You all preach freedom and vote for the man who will take it away.
That’s assuming the Gulf Stream doesn’t collapse in the next 1-25 years like it’s expected to according to scientists . That would mean people potentially fleeing Europe too
You are perpetuating problems. You aren't even close to being part of a solution to what's troubling Americans, people, humans... it would've been better to have not said anything at all.
Ah yes, so the solutions to the problems is imposing tariffs on a totally unrelated country to increase consumer costs in unnecessary and unproductive ways…
Your dumb ass is so loud about things you don't understand / parrot from biased 3rd party sources that financially benefit from the opposite point of view- that your self fulfilling prophecy will ABSOLUTELY come true... just not in the way you think... your small- idiot sized brain thinks the solution is being as loud as possible about inevitable prices going up- and you're right- you don't understand tariffs and are giving sharkey business owners the opportunity to price gouge us again, Covid Part 2, you you'll just blame the tariffs... congratulations, you're a retard that is hurting itself and not contributing anything to Any solution For Any Problems ANYONE is Facing.. kindly- Shut The Fuck Up!!!
Ah yes, so the solutions to the problems is imposing tariffs on a totally unrelated country to increase consumer costs in unnecessary and unproductive ways…
Ah yes, so the solutions to the problems is imposing tariffs on a totally unrelated country to increase consumer costs in unnecessary and unproductive ways…
Because canada made it easy for " refugees " and asylum seekers. Gain access to the country. And as. Soon as they step foot in Canada, they go to Ottawa or Quebec and cross the border into the US.
There's literally people offering "smuggling" services to their own kind up here in Canada. Like, send me 5k and I will show you where to go and how to do it. Even being brazen enough to offer these services on tiktok. We have like 4 million temp immigrants here that have expiring visas too.
This is true. 200k USCIS encounters on the northern border in 2023. There isn’t a north North America past Canada. That’s a lot of people from a country of 40 million.
I've heard this for the first time right now. I've only heard of the safe third country act. I wonder if there are as many illegals coming as going, how many net illegals and in which direction.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. This is a huge problem in Canada now (I’m Canadian). I’m seeing it only just start to make the news on US podcasts I listen to.
Immigrants commit less crimes than native born people even illegal ones. The reason is that if they commit a crime they might be deported so the incentive is higher to not commit crimes. Immigrants are a net positive for the economy even illegal ones because we have a strong demand for their labor. It's a temporary problem too because many of the countries that represent most of the immigration will in 20 years be in their own demographic decline and not have many people to send. That's the case with Mexico already as net migration with Mexico is already negative. Once you actually understand these facts you realize how dumb this plan is.
I guess if you are a racist that just doesn't like brown people those facts don't matter, but I fail to see the "social" issue if they commit less crime and provide a net benefit to the economy. I for one know many of these so called "illegal" immigrants and I have found most of them to be hard working honest people that are willing to do whatever they can to contribute to society.
Problem is nobody wants the jobs undocumented people take at the rate of pay they are willing to accept.
They impact the economy but not necessarily in the way you suggest.
If these plans work, companies will have to pay a fair wage for the roles they are underpaying now, and they won't want that to eat their profit margin so they will pass the increase in cost to the customer.
I'm sure that that could be done, but I don't see our new chief super interested in regulating business to prevent businesses from passing that cost to the customer. I've not heard that discussed.
I recall watching a documentary not long ago about how the big cotton textile companies like Hanes and Fruit of the Loom just outsourced their labor to countries with less restrictions on exploiting the labor force.
Like this is a good idea in theory, but in practice they will either find another way to exploit marginalized/disempowered people or raise their prices (or both).
I mean there’s no reason to assume he wouldn’t just because he hasn’t made it a point to specify every single detail.
And of course a lot of them did, that’s what most companies do today. Every major clothing brand uses some sort of human exploitation, which is why we need to bring production back to America, where they can’t exploit humans to increase their profit margin.
I am in agreement with you that living wages for American workers is ideal. I think a lot of the people that voted with their wallets are not going to tolerate the increased prices that are coming, though. It's going to be interesting.
There's people that seem out conscious businesses that believe in paying workers a fair wage, sustainability, etc. but - to make some assumptions, admittedly - I am not sure that mindset drove the majority at the polls. It seems like inflation is bothering everyone, but I don't see how these changes will do anything but raise prices for people already very upset about high prices on basic goods.
Yeah I agree people will feel the initial burden for sure. But at this point I think it’s unavoidable no matter which solution we go with. There’s always going to be a negative impact initially, but the idea is to have the highest reward for the risk.
I mean, if we could roll back our tax approach so the richest 1% actually pays a fair share, a lot of these issues would disappear. There's really no need for the little guy to feel so squeezed.
Well no, everyone needs to pay taxes to keep infrastructure functional.
What do you think is "the problem" if it's not the unfair distribution of wealth (increasing generational poverty which necessitates more reliance on entitlement programs, fostering learned helplessness, incentivizing people to fill their bodies with garbage making them feel worse and less able to work, big businesses able to squash attempts to call them to justice because they can afford the more intimidating lawyers, etc.)?
I think ultimately we are overpopulated (not just our country but globally) but nobody is going to solve that problem in any way that could possibly be ethical so it's not really a salient point in a conversation about solving these issues.
You understand that wealth only exists because of the disproportionate distribution? If everyone had 1 million dollars in their bank account, no one would be rich.
The problem with any society is always going to be how to mitigate as much poverty as possible without collapsing and forcing everyone back to poverty. This will never end until human nature changes.
Also, I don't see his general mindset being one of adding regulations. He seems more set on reducing them. So, you're right it's possible he would put something in place but that doesn't fit his gestalt and I'm sure would upset a lot of his main donors.
Buddy Roxham road is people piling into Canada, from the US, illegally. It’s happened all along the border. IN CANADA, OUT USA.
Look, they’re the same people crossing your southern border, they just keep coming up. This whole thing is a Mexico problem, and trump knows that getting into details about it doesn’t work. Explaining is losing in politics. So he’s garner broader support by keeping it simple and directed at the land border. Fooling folks like you that don’t know it’s not a big issue. If anything, it was the opposite, and worse a few years ago.
It's not even Mexicans coming here and Canada isn't even part of the problem. Mexico already does a ton of enforcement for us and sends tons of people back. They could do more and probably would if we just partnered with them and sent people to help them. Some sort of arbitrary threat isn't going to make Mexico do anything because it's not even specific, what does "fix the issue" even mean? And what the hell is Canada supposed to do since they are not even part of the problem. Tanking our entire economy and doubling food prices all to achieve some badly defined goal that could probably be achieved by other means is just insane.
Yeah I'm not worried about Canada I am worried about the effects on America when we fuck up our trading relationship with our two biggest partners for dumbass reasons. Most of the manufacturers that left China went to Mexico so it would actually shift manufacturing back to China which is the opposite of what we want.
I’m not worried about the effects it’ll have at all.
Will there be initial burden? Yup. Will that burden alleviate when American production comes back? Yup. Will American wages increase when our production comes back to our country? Yup.
No worries for me at all. It’ll be great for America.
If there was an alternative, where no one feels any negative impact at first, then why haven’t we done that already? Oh yeah, because that path doesn’t exist and never will exist, because that’s not how economies work.
Yeah that's not how it works buddy. We will just enter a massive recession because inflation will go out of control and the fed will raise rates to Tamp down on inflation and the market will crash along with massive layoffs. There will be no magical raise for Americans we will just lose a massive tailwind to our economy. Just look at the UK post brexit to see what is in store for us.
If Trump just doesn't do anything extreme and moderates it to only put some more tariffs on China and some increased enforcement of immigration then we will be fine and I hope that is what he does. If he really puts massive tariffs on Mexico and tries to deport millions of people the economy will crash as a result not to mention the humanitarian disaster it will be. My guess is no matter what people like you will support him because that's what cult members do.
You didn't prove anything you said. I provided you a bunch of sources and you hand waved them away. I showed you logical arguments and you said no it will magically all work. You are the one stooping to personal insults because you got proven wrong about everything and just can't accept reality.
Yeah that isn't a copy pasted comment. I wrote that in like 5 minutes on the couch because I just know how things work. Go look at my post history if you don't believe me.
Yeah that isn’t a copy pasted comment. I wrote that in like 5 minutes on the couch because I just know how things work. Go look at my post history if you don’t believe me.
I probably should stock up on cat food though, shouldn’t I? One of my cats is on a prescription diet and the other is just super picky. I have no idea how Miss Picky survived in the wild before we adopted her.
Great idea! Just keep an eye on the expiry dates. I have gotten bit by it in the past though when I stocked up on it and then they suddenly decide that food isn't good enough anymore!
President-elect Donald Trump threatened Monday to slap a 25 percent tariff on Mexican and Canadian goods as long as the countries allowed immigrants to flow over the U.S. border.
I apologize on behalf of Canada for allowing Justin Bieber to escape and enter your country... what happened happened though and he is now your problem
Apparently almost 20k this year from Canada to the US (that were caught, substantially more than previous years combined), and it didn't look like highly trained professionals. Recently Trudeau said they were cutting way back on immigration, but that was a month or so ago, and the trend's been since back to the first of the year. I don't know if there's been a cooling down of immigration policies in Canada prior to that October announcement or not.
That’s very generous of you, two WHOLE potatoes is more than I would have given him. Two of the smallest potatoes in a Little Potatoes bag is more apt.
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No one goes there from Canada because it sucks. People from tropical countries put up with the cold to not live there. They've been crossing into Canada for decades to get out of there.
No one was "fine with it". We were recovering from a global pandemic. One that Trump botched the response to and handed Biden an awful economy. We recovered completely in 3 years and beat every other developed country. It sucked, it happened, but we can chose to not fuck it up even further. Unfortunately...that isn't what the country chose to do. So now we get to brace for even more inflation.
Didn’t Trump try and lock down the borders and was called a xenophobe and an extremist and yet not months later the left was pushing hard to lock down cities and towns? Listen here pal, if you can smell a fart through your pants, you can catch Covid through a mask. The “vaccine” did not prevent the spread of covid. And numerous studies have shown that the 6 foot distancing did absolutely nothing. You were lied to and you continue to enjoy being lied to.
You took those checks just like everyone else did bud so stop sitting on your pedestal. Furthermore, how do you feel about Biden refusing to comply with SCOTUS when they say the billions he’s tried to erase in student loans is illegal? Stop pandering bud.
Perhaps if we had not had massive lockdowns that devastated small businesses across the country and which did absolutely nothing to stop the spread, we wouldn’t have needed to do all of those loans now would we? How many people were fired, silenced, raided for saying the lockdowns were likely not a good idea? And yet, here were are, focusing on a radical agenda for the last four years that we have been gaslit into believing was “utopia”. People feel for the BS the first time, it didn’t work this time because of the notions you’re pushing.
Nice try and thanks for the debate practice. Keep doubling down though. It will help us during the midterms and at the next presidential election! God speed
I'm not saying they weren't necessary to some extent, I just blame him for firing the people responsible for their oversight, saying and I quote "I'll be the oversight", and then handing them out like candy, to the tune of 200 billion in fraud. My previous employer took a 10 million dollar loan and the CUT our pay, removed our retirement benefits, and still expected us to work the same amount.
For someone who claimed personal responsibility of these loans, he did a shit job.
Well, inflation was down to 2.1% the day after the election. Seems pretty transitory to me. But the thing is that inflation is constant rise in prices, not the price staying the same price at a level that you think is too much. The only way that prices go DOWN after inflation is via a recession
Kamala Harris campaigned on completing the border wall. Something that Trump received a lot of flak for back in 2016.
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala-harris-flip-flops-border-wall
Trump didn't ban an entire religion. He banned people from certain countries. There are many other Muslim majority countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan , Bangladesh which weren't on the list. The list itself was taken from the previous Obama administration.
Here was the precedent set by Obama. In December 2015, President Obama signed into law a measure placing limited restrictions on certain travelers who had visited Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011. Two months later, the Obama administration added Libya, Somalia, and Yemen to the list, in what it called an effort to address "the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters."
That's literally our best case scenario. He is going to be just as successful with these tariffs as he was building that wall and locking her up. Followers champion his slogans but don't seem to care if he actually follows through.
You are mistaking if you think there is fear by anyone that is not Maga… It is simply acknowledgment of what is to come...
The belief that the inflation will be transitory is ridiculous. There will be:
- the direct inflation with imported goods
- the secondary inflation where domestic producers raise prices because their competition has to (good ol capitalist greed)
- the retaliatory tariffs by ALL off our trading partners (not just china, mexico and canada) which will stifle US exports
- the layoffs by exporting businesses becaause their marjets have dried up
- our trading partners WILL find alternative suppliers that will be cheaper for them than US goods.
- the US's standing on the world economic stage will fall... as we have made a situation where our trading partners learn they no longer need us. Don't be surprised to see new free trade arrangements between other countries.
- you will then want to retort that our US Dollar IS THE global currency, however the incoming administration is actively working to gut agencies, knee cap agency authorities (think SEC, IRS, EPA, OSHA, etc), roll back regulation... ALL of this makes the US less palatable to investment. The value of the Dollar falls with the reduced safety of the US regulatory regime making any remaining imports MORE expensive.
- there is an increased likelihood that the GOP will default on the US debt... the zealots have been pressing for the more and more... so the likelihood is increased. That makes the US dollar and securities prices fall due to this uncertainty alone... which will i crease ten fold if they succeed in defaulting.
- mass deportation removes a significant portion of our economy. This puts further downward pressure on businesses, and since the only market is internal, (no exports any longer) they have to reduce payrolls to compensate. So the job boost you THINK will happen will not... in fact it will be automation that takes up most of the slack... what will be left will ONLY be menial labor jobs that dont pay well.
- that gutting of agencies and rolling back of protective regulations and anti-collective bargaining legislation means that anyone under C-suite level employment will be subject to increased downward wage pressures, increasingly unsafe working conditions. You may say "its an open market, employees can always quit and find a different job"... but when the C-suite employees collude (and the regulation tide change will encourage collusion), there is a reduced chance that employees can "trade up".
No we won't. Our trading partners will match out tariffs with their own. Our exports will dry up. Meanwhile those trading partners will find other cheaper suppliers and learn they do not need the US.
All this time trump's appointeed will be gutting agencies, deregulating, rolling back protections on comsumers, the environment, and workers.
In time the GOP will finally default on our debt, and M will make the US less attractive as an investment and financial superpower.
No.... those jobs you hope for will not materialize. The jobs that would have happened are now obsolete and are being done through automation.
First, the hypocrisy of prior enragement at the inflation caused by the protection of our economy that was necessitated by Trump's fuckup of a pandemic response, followed by your above shrugging off of an ill concieved macroeconomic disasterplan is outrageous.
Second, You can look up the Smoot Hawley Tariff Act to see an example of how shitty tariffs work, and it doesn't result in what you believe.
Third, your belief that the inflation will be transitory is ridiculous. There will be:
- the direct inflation with imported goods
- the secondary inflation where domestic producers raise prices because their competition has to (good ol capitalist greed)
- the retaliatory tariffs by ALL off our trading partners (not just china, mexico and canada) which will stifle US exports
- the layoffs by exporting businesses becaause their marjets have dried up
- our trading partners WILL find alternative suppliers that will be cheaper for them than US goods.
- the US's standing on the world economic stage will fall... as we have made a situation where our trading partners learn they no longer need us. Don't be surprised to see new free trade arrangements between other countries.
- you will then want to retort that our US Dollar IS THE global currency, however the incoming administration is actively working to gut agencies, knee cap agency authorities (think SEC, IRS, EPA, OSHA, etc), roll back regulation... ALL of this makes the US less palatable to investment. The value of the Dollar falls with the reduced safety of the US regulatory regime making any remaining imports MORE expensive.
- there is an increased likelihood that the GOP will default on the US debt... the zealots have been pressing for the more and more... so the likelihood is increased. That makes the US dollar and securities prices fall due to this uncertainty alone... which will i crease ten fold if they succeed in defaulting.
- mass deportation removes a significant portion of our economy. This puts further downward pressure on businesses, and since the only market is internal, (no exports any longer) they have to reduce payrolls to compensate. So the job boost you THINK will happen will not... in fact it will be automation that takes up most of the slack... what will be left will ONLY be menial labor jobs that dont pay well.
- that gutting of agencies and rolling back of protective regulations and anti-collective bargaining legislation means that anyone under C-suite level employment will be subject to increased downward wage pressures, increasingly unsafe working conditions. You may say "its an open market, employees can always quit and find a different job"... but when the C-suite employees collude (and the regulation tide change will encourage collusion), there is a reduced chance that employees can "trade up".
I'm sorry, but the simplistic and ignorant belief you are working under is feeble. As Asimov said "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
I understand your liberal fears. Liberals fear everything, and especially things they don’t understand.
Long explanations are justification for ridiculous positions.
Simply put. If we want to protect Americans and their jobs we have to have tariffs. Will there be minor inflation? Could be short term. Long term will be fine.
With the tariffs I assume we will stop subsidizing the world. End 90% of the foreign aid. Stop funding the UN. Make other countries pay for once.
I am sick of liberals complaining about our country and conservatives being nazis uncaring etc, tired of being treated like we are a country of monsters by other countries,
Disgusted as people from these other countries break our laws and illegally invade our country then steal our resources as they settle in like they own the place.
Make those tariffs high Mr Trump. We don’t need them, my grandkids need jobs not handouts like the libs think.
Sorry kiddo, but I have you rationale, and I have no fear of what I tell you, I have confidence it is coming. You have been told... however YOUR fears, as evidenced in your opinion above, have been ised to manipulate you. You will not get what you think you will get.
Realistically it will take anywhere from a few months for decades to build an American industry and expertise, which would in the end be good but it needs to be done gracefully and not by fucking over the entire working class. Basically when the government sold us down the river decades ago and allowed high skill high complexity factories in metal foundries, tool and die and similar the time it will take to get that back has only grown by the month. That industry knowledge is just. Gone. People aged out retired and died after their company was shipped over seas, quite fucking literally in some cases. And we need to get that back but we need real penalties and incentives forced on decision makers not the workers. E.g. if you don’t get x % of manufacturing into the US by the end of the year, you as the executives will be limited to X$ in compensation of all kinds. So no skirting the rules with bonuses or some bullshit. Same way there should be penalties for layoffs and job destruction. You should not be able to fire 75% of your workforce to meet a bottom line and get a bonus. That needs to end.
However there are no planned incentives for companies to bring jobs back. No penalties for staying outside of the US. (A tariff is not a penalty on executives making decisions it’s just a tax that will get passed on to consumers for all existing products). So it will pretty much fuck us over without working. And starting a global trade war which will further the divide between regular working class Americans and the billionaires taking over the government.
In short yeah if tariffs are done as said, we’re fucked. If they’re used to prevent Chinese car companies from beating our prices domestically, or prevent existing factories from leaving that would be great to be honest.
Nah. It’s still just 2d chess. It’s not that complicated. We’ve watched him do stuff like this before with varying degrees of success. He understands leverage, which is what he’s trying to use here. Make outrageous threats, demand concessions to not act on them.
Many, if not all. I would suggest looking for things on sale/discount. I am trying to be patience with what I buy and not overpay. Because we really don't know what will happen with tariffs.
I mean I could actually just cut all of those out of my life and be healthier. I could give a shit about the lumber, but I don't bc a new home will never, ever be achievable.
It won't be limited to these things, these will just be the obvious ones. You can't really stockpile fresh produce, car parts, or prescription medications.
Just as we saw with inflation before, all of this will put upward pressure on labor costs and that means everything will get more expensive.
Yeah I hear ya, although car parts wouldn't be too difficult.
I think I could drop $1200 on maintenance items like various seals, fluids, filters, brake pads and rotors, a radiator, timing belt and water pump, suspension bushings, PCV, hoses, bulbs, and extra hardware and it'd probably get me through two presidencies on my '99 4runner. But that thing also doesn't break down and I'm mechanically-inclined. Many others aren't so fortunate.
True, though my car inspection is due in March so I may just go early in January. No way for me to know for sure if I'll need brakes or something else beforehand (I'm not a car person tbh.)
Look in your owner's manual. There should be a maintenance schedule laid out by mileage. You can estimate based upon that and purchase necessary materials with the help of a parts store, whether that be the dealership or aftermarket.
90% of vehicle maintenance is truly extremely simple ("dealerships don't want you to know this one simple trick!" 😆) and can be accomplished with simple hand tools. Youtube is your best friend. Search by year, make, and model plus the item you're trying to address and I can nearly guarantee that there's a video for it.
Have you seen labor prices now? If there's any helpful skill to learn these days, it's auto maintenance.
Probably very good advice, though I'm not sure I trust myself with something as important as the brakes 🤣 I bought my car at the end of 2019 and it still hasn't needed new brakes or tires yet, so I'm definitely buying new tires in January. But, figured maybe I should just plan on replacing the brakes too. They passed inspection last year no problem, but still feels like I'm on borrowed time. But, I'll check out YouTube to see if there's an easy way to check how worn they are. That would be really helpful to know.
It’s okay, everyone. We know the corporations won’t use this as another excuse to price gouge (on top of the tariffs) and we know that if or when the tariffs ever go away, they’ll make sure to lower prices again.
“Price gouging” is a way overused term, as of late. And it is horrifically reductive.
In a free market, a company is going to charge the highest amount they can.
If companies are able to dominate a market and monopolistically suppress competition, they will be able to charge absurdly high prices, and their profit margins will soar.
The way to fix this is to demand effective anti-trust legislation and enforcement. Psshhhhh hahahahhaaha okay that’s it going to happen anytime soon. Better grease up.
The working people of this country just have to lose a lot more, until they are ready to learn.
Lol I think you missed the prior commenter’s point, it’s not businesses trying to adapt and be competitive to make a profit when there’s widespread collusion and price fixing in all of the most necessary industries
Ok then again, at what point is it considered as price gouging? Even let's say hypothetically all businesses collude (and majority of them don't because they want business), what's the profit margin mark that's considered as price gouging?
I’ve been buying extra of literally everything although it feels quite useless because eventually I’m going to have to just buy stuff at the new prices 🤷🏻♀️
I kept thinking about this last night, because the before mentioned tariffs were bad enough. I convinced myself I’d just be easing into the shock of it if I stock up now.
Yup, my partner and I decided to take the big hit now. We're buying any electronics, appliances, furniture/household stuff, and shelf stable items now, since we know those planned items WILL be purchased in our future anyway, and we're likely looking at a 25%+++ discount if we bite the bullet and then buckle down for the next year.
I got 4 years of stuff that CAN be gotten in no expiring quantities that I for sure will have to buy no matter what. Powdered detergent, hand soap concentrate sanitizers etc.
And those who whine the loudest will be the idiots who believed his lies. Not sorry for them. They voted for him. The rest of us are caught up in their stupid choices. Our economy was improving.
These types of tariffs will trigger higher inflation, which is actually beneficial to wealthy people like Trump who hold lots of assets like real estate and stocks. They want inflation to rise and which will push interest rates to go lower like what happened a couple years ago, which made a lot of wealthy people much wealthier.
My husband thinks it's a bunch of talk on Trump's part. I just checked his special peanut butter and it's from Canada. My spices and salsas are not from the U.S. I'm so tired of stressing about this shit. Feels like a 2020 shortage repeat coming.
The dock worker thing is real, not related to Trump, and there's absolutely nothing you can do to affect it from happening or not happening. I've learned not to stress over things I don't have any control over. Do what you can to mitigate direct impacts and move on.
I'm in car repair. If our parts go up, we pass it along. If you need any expensive repairs, do it now if you can. We use OEM brands and most are not made in the U.S.
One of my local grocery stores just raised prices on chicken thighs by $1.50/lb. Greedy stores are gonna have a field day with all this economic speculation (went to store 2 blocks away for much cheaper lol)
I think that might be a bird flu issue. It's ramped up to the point where farms are having to kill off their stock, which means chicken & egg prices go up.
Not defending stores, but now they are preparing to have to buy these items at a higher price. The tariffs will shoot the price and they won’t be caught holding the bag
You know I’m not into the whole “buy gold and silver” prepper thing but I started last month. We’re heading towards hyperinflation Argentina style if Trump has his way 100%
My worry is actually in 2026. If he replaces Jerome Powell with some loyalist muppet that bends interest rates to Trump's will, I am getting the fuck out of the stock market.
Oh no of course not I just don't understand his reasoning. I'm sure it's from some sort of pettiness or he's trying to gain leverage but Leverage is not working in the American people's favor. I'm sure he just doesn't understand how tariffs work. Maybe they're afraid to tell him.
So that the remaining wealth (after Trump 1.0) can also be redistributed upward to the oligarchs. And we can all work until we die, own nothing & not even be allowed to smoke weed 🙄
Bargaining only works from a position of strength.
Can many many US businesses afford to change their supply chain based on this crazy idea ? Nope. Which means they have to buy anyway and charge more , which means political heat for Donald when the minions realise that cheaper prices don’t come from tariffs….so he has to compromise and it’s back to business as normal.
When you are a net importer it’s hard to start telling others what to do.
Putting tariffs on everything allows him to work side deals where he gets paid off for preferential trade conditions. A protection racket of sorts. More grifting and scamming at the taxpayer expense.
You’re expecting logic and reasoning from the man who brought you bleach injections, nuke the hurricanes and (my personal favorite) they’re eating the dogs!! ?
I am no government expert, but i am like 75-90% certain that it would require Congress to vote for that, and I will press x to doubt. But hey, I have been wrong before a lot lol.
Are you high? There was a massive government bailout for farmers as a direct result of his tariffs. China just started buying farm products from other countries. It literally has the opposite effect of what he promised. It cost us more than the bailout of the auto industry from Bush's term.
Biden and Harris brought inflation down to, what? Less than 3%? Significantly less than just about every other country.
Everyone who didn't vote for Trump remembers the failure of his tariffs. Every time I talk to a Trump voter about it, they have no idea what I'm talking about.
What? Prices went up, and tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs were lost.
The bailout cost the US more than what we pay to maintain our nuclear weapons.
Jesus fucking Christ. You need to acknowledge reality.
"You guys attack America" goddamn this is stupid. Trump is not America. Get it through your fucking skull that speaking out against Trump is not "attacking America". Pointing out that his policies failed, that he stole secret documents and attempted a coup is not "attacking America". Anytime you hear something you don't like, you toss out the ol' thought terminating cliche "you just hate America" because you have no point to make.
No they were not lol trumps job reports which btw never got revised and always had matching unemployment and job participation numbers was constantly high in every sector until COVID.
You're literally simping for other nations economies now spreading lies to benefit them the main one being China lol.
Canada allows illegal immigrants to cross freely into the US? Wtf?
Hordes of hungry uneducated Canadians, in caravans, carrying dozens of children and all their possessions, walk across Niagara to take those sweet sweet agricultural jobs from red-blooded patriotic 'Mercans in Buffalo.
I didn’t realize this sub was Trump derangement syndrome. But it’s Reddit. Of course it is. I take the gamble on Trump. All downvotes welcome. Go watch The View. Take a break from PrepperIntel. the last 4 years has been absolutely terrible for anyone with a family getting by. He’s business, let’s see where this goes
You're surprised that people who stock up on thing to be prepared for disasters dislike an impending disaster and dislike their stocking up becoming more complicated and more expensive?
Here is a great infographic of foods imported to the US.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/us-food-imports-by-country/
Here is an insightful read about decoupling from China.
https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2024/jan/decoupling-where-it-matters-us-imports-from-china-in-critical-sectors
Bahahahahaha. So, everything. My god. We are all about to sleep in the bed the last 50 years has been making. Step 1: change ethical business compass away from serving the customer and towards serving the shareholders. Step 2: move all manufacturing overseas, lowering consumer costs to an unsustainable level. Step 3: once all Americans are acclimated to a high standard of living for low cost (the ones who remember buy it once american made are dead), make all goods made overseas 25% more expensive, collapsing the last remnants of the middle class in America and probably shaking up the world economy a good deal.
They will plummet again regardless. It's on a cycle. We are in a boom phase and crypto bros are posting their gains all over social media. Once the correction happens youll see a lot of social media sob stories about people that didnt sell in time and are now losing money. Happens every 4ish years.
Canada used to be the US biggest trading partner but China has flooded Mexico with Chinese owned factories that make things like car parts ( undercutting us automakers) and other products and their doing that to take advantage of Mexicos free trade agreement with US and Canada - USMCA.
But it’s taking business away from US and Canada as well as jobs.
Canada has already said some time ago they’ll match tariffs dollar for dollar. It’s not good for either country. The real problem is Chinese factories in Mexico.
Mexico should seize them and bounce China for good. They have no business being anywhere near North America. Even that port in Paraguay is too close, considering China can use it to stage naval vessels.
Yep our two biggest trade partners and Mexico is a huge part of the replacement for China manufacturing base so it would screw up the entire transition from China he wants.
Tariffs effect goods on the consumer side, by making them more expensive against domestically produced goods.
Both US and Canada are competing for consumer markets in Mexico. This might be a boon for Canadian trade with Mexico, the same one we got shafted on last time Trump was in office, when Mexico and US ratified NAFTA and told Canada "take it or leave it".
On a related note, I have been looking for a good modern victory garden book or instruction. I know how to garden but not necessarily how to feed a family with just the garden. If anyone has any resources or recommendations I would love them please.
Conspiracy theory: No substantial tariffs will be enacted, if any—it will be negotiated down to a tiny percentage. Trump is goosing the economy right before he takes office. If people freak out and stock up on overseas made products (like everything, except for some foods), this will be a record breaking Christmas season for the markets. Trump will be reminded that he can’t just Fiat giant financial actions without Congressional approval and any numbers he mentioned before will be shrunk into near meaninglessness. If it’s going to be official policy of our government to assist corporations in starving people needlessly, then they will face resistance.
After the ridiculous 25% tariff comment I wouldn’t be surprised if the presidents of Canada, Mexico, and China are going to have a conference call and say only three words: Apes togerther strong.
Lots of stuff is shipped through Mexico due to there being a big port in Mexico. It’s cheaper than Long Beach. Or San Francisco or the northern ports. Also only so many ships can move through ports.
To all the non-Americans.. do you think we will get everything cheaper because there will be limited demand form the US market? Might be a silver lining for the rest of us.
Yes but we will also be poorer relatively so on net will be worse off. Over time we will also be poorer selling to markets further away instead of ones close by.
Americans will never stop buying shit. That’s what makes us the biggest economy of the world. They never adjusted their shopping habits after inflation so why would they start now? They will blame some other minority group and say Trump is still fighting for them.
Its just economic saber rattling… if he actually does it then worry but its still very unlikely in north america… china, maybe but that could push them into a corner so i dont think thats viable either… expect some tariffs on specific commodities… especially pharmaceuticals in china…
Yeah! Show those Snow Mexicans who's boss! Every single year they deploy their extremely hostile cobra chickens on the US just to crap on all of our sweet sweet fredom
What the hell are we even importing from Canada other than cold fronts, maple syrup, and oil?
Ugh... this is all sarcasm btw. He's such an idiot 🙄
I still just can't believe we elected a festering jack-o-lantern instead of literally anyone else...
Trump enacts the tariffs as he said he would and tanks the US and global economy.
Trump exaggerated about the tariffs, and will enact some protectionist policies that have mixed results, though mostly negative, on the US and global economy.
Trump lied through his teeth, never enacts tariffs, and things go on as they have economically.
You're probably right. He's a huge bullshitter and will say things just to hear them out loud. But the thing is, he's such a wildcard that you can never really know.
SlickRick941@reddit
Gonna laugh when a few months later everything is dirt cheap and the economy is responding really well
babyCuckquean@reddit
Ahahaaa.. oh man, actually i really feel for you all hey. Much love from Australia... but can you at least admit Trump is a dumpster fire and you got conned?
SlickRick941@reddit
Cuck, appropriate name for you. Funny too that you're not even American, who cares what you think?
Mass deportations, eliminating government overspending, fighting for better trade deals and imposing tarrifs, yeah I'm getting everything i voted for. Under 3% inflation in back to back months for the first time in 4 years. Jobs report doing well too.
Sp500 taking a 6% hit, for one liberals are crying over hedge funds losing some money.
babyCuckquean@reddit
Youre funny, calling me a cuck while your country gets fucked right in front of you. Theyre eliminating the government, not the waste. Your president is responsible for destabilising the entire global economy because he doesnt even understand what tariffs are.
Hes a joke. Unfortunately hes the kind of joke that builds concentration camps and deports people en masse without due process, do i need to tell you what comes when the camps get full?
He doesnt know what hes doing, none of his staff know what theyre doing. The whole world is watching and its not because youre kicking goals buddy.
This is a slow mo trainwreck that will destroy the world as we know it and you are still cheering him on . Youre kissing Putins ass, threatening your neighbours and in a trade war with the country that supplies the minerals required for almost every weapon/car/electronic device you manufacture.
Without china, without tourists, without bean pickers, what kind of country will you have? someone has to pick the beans, are you going to do it? Or your kids? Tourism industry is on verge of collapse, agriculture is the same..
What kind of country are you imagining because if you think about the actual consequences of not just his policies but his flip flopping youll see that this is the biggest disaster you have ever faced.
People are fleeing the bond market. That is BAD NEWS. Unemployment is not at 3% its at 4.2%. Vital institutions like NOAA, the IRS and the judicial system, social security, FDA, FAA, CDC- institutions which hold the country together and keep people safe - are being dismantled and something like 100000 veterans are now out of work.
And youre cheering it on. You think this is good governing? Its a wrecking ball. He is spitting on your precious constitution! Tearing it up right in front of you. I know there are some Germans who say they never saw it coming, but there are more who cheered Hitler on, thinking this is what they wanted. They wanted a strongman, and they got one.
I hope you wake up soon.
mortalitylost@reddit
Oh yeah economy is doing great right now isnt it?
Dipshit
SlickRick941@reddit
Inflation under 3% in back to back months for the first time in over 4 years. Great jobs report. The sp500 is down 6% yoy Where were you when it was down 25% yoy 2022-2023? Were you shit posting on reddit about it?
sarcago@reddit
Well this comment aged like milk…
SlickRick941@reddit
How so? Inflation is down under 3% in back to back months for the first time in 4 years. Jobs report also booming. The SP500 is down about 6% yoy. It was down 25% 2022-2023, where were you then?
It's also approaching 100 days. Takes about 6-12 months for fiscal policy to take affect. But go on, post on reddit about it instead of getting out there and voting. First republican to win the popular vote in over 30 years
sarcago@reddit
!remindme 5 months
mortalitylost@reddit
sucks to be right doesn't it
SlickRick941@reddit
We gonna use 5 months from January 20th? Or 5 months from today?
sarcago@reddit
From today, I figured the end April would be a decent benchmark…
SlickRick941@reddit
Alright we'll check back in then
papertowelfreethrow@reddit
Would have made more sense after January.
SlickRick941@reddit
Agreed nothing is gonna change until after January 20th
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grahamfiend2@reddit
My friend I encourage you to go read some basic economics material.
SlickRick941@reddit
Yeah, tarrifs earn money from other countries paying their dues and stimulate the local economy be encouraging domestic production and investment. Did they skip that chapter at your expensive school?
RememberKoomValley@reddit
*We* pay the tariffs, dude. China's prices don't go up, ours do.
SlickRick941@reddit
Literally no one has had that opinion until the talking heads told everyone to feel that way 6 months ago
tmart016@reddit
The definition of import taxes have not changed in the last 6 months. Import tariffs are paid by the importers.
The idea is that they are levied so that we rely less on foreign imports and buy more domestically. The problem is that we don't and can't produce everything domestically.
Even if that was the plan, prices will go up for the years that it takes to get US production to match our import. Regardless the exporter (ie, China) does not pay anything for import tariffs.
RememberKoomValley@reddit
Are you a teenager? Or perhaps just a new college student? Do you not recall the earlier tariffs?
TrekRider911@reddit (OP)
The soy bean market has never really recovered from the tariffs in 2018.
Jaicobb@reddit
Do not engage. This sub has grown hard left over the years. They don't understand the motive companies have to make stuff in America, create American jobs to avoid tariffs.
SlickRick941@reddit
Yeah seriously, when did that happen?
tactical-catnap@reddit
You think foreign companies are just going to take the increased cost of doing business with America and not raise prices to compensate? When in the history of capitalism has that happened?
Maybe you should look into when America implemented tariffs in the late 1920's, and what happened immediately after
TrekRider911@reddit (OP)
Yeah. Cause we can grow veggies in Minnesota in February..
SlickRick941@reddit
If only there was a place in the United States that doesn't snow in February
papertowelfreethrow@reddit
Hmm... beats me! Anyways, I'll taking a vacation to Florida on Christmas to eat an orange.
SlickRick941@reddit
They are the best
Grace_Alcock@reddit
Other countries aren’t paying anything. Companies that import stuff pay a higher tax to the US govt, and turn around and charge customers that same amount to make up the difference. So US customers end up subsidizing domestic companies that made expensive stuff that couldn’t compete in a free market. We prop up the losers who went begging for help when they couldn’t win in the market.
Gumbi_Digital@reddit
Ahh…must be nice having a 8th grade education and no nothing about the modern world works.
Have fun in the food line!
SlickRick941@reddit
Know* nothing
Gumbi_Digital@reddit
Damn dude. You got me.
You COMPLETELY destroyed my argument because of autocorrect of know to no.
Time for bed…go brush your three teeth.
SlickRick941@reddit
8th graders even know to proof read, my dude
ursus_major@reddit
Ahem. "Proofread" is one word.
SlickRick941@reddit
Thanks for teaching me that, I never knew.
I'm capable of learning when presented with new information that proves to be true. Let's see if that applies to everybody here when the trump economy once again booms.
Electrical-Concert17@reddit
Who do you think actually eats the cost of tariffs? You think corporations swallow that like good little boys so the rest of us don’t have to suffer? Did you miss when the pudge milky musk said we’d all suffer for a couple years? 😂😂
SlickRick941@reddit
We'll wait and see then, I know 25% inflation over the last 4 years is the benchmark to beat
Gumbi_Digital@reddit
You mean 25% CORPORATE GREED.
Inflation has been at precovid levels for over a year now..same with gas prices. But why have prices remained at all time highs?
There is a reason why the stock market has been booming…
Critical thinking skills are hard!
SlickRick941@reddit
Stock market is up recently because of hope of the trump economy, it started booming ever since November 6th. It'll likely dip in the coming weeks when people take profits before the holidays.
All other stocks are inflated. The value isn't going up, just the dollar being used as the metric to determine value is worth less. A stock up worth $100 in 2020 now worth $124 isn't up 24%, it's actually worth less because of inflation.
Corporate greed is a liberal cop out because they can't admit their side is wrong and has bad fiscal policies
Gumbi_Digital@reddit
What? You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about…and it’s comical as well as sad. You’ve been conned and brainwashed.
You win dude. It’s pointless with you people.
It’s simply amazing that there are two sets of people that live in two different realities on the same timeline, and we interact on a daily basis.
Enjoy your $8 a dozen eggs.
And remember NOT to get vaccinated when H5N1 hits!
SlickRick941@reddit
I'll probably be fine just like with the big scary covid. Don't forget your booster, boot licker
Electrical-Concert17@reddit
It is funny you wanna act like thousands of people didn’t lay in hospital beds and suffocate to death while begging for their families.
Gumbi_Digital@reddit
Angry trolls gonna troll.
I’m sure his quality of life and happiness rival his dear leader’s.
MKEJOE52@reddit
The country that sends products to the US don't pay the tariff. The American wholesaler pays the tariff and passes that expense on to its customers. It's like a sales tax.
SkywalknLuke@reddit
The question will be, will a business want to cover the tariffs for importing from China? Do they build a manufacturing plant here? Or do they raise prices to cover the cost?
Ecstatic_Bee6067@reddit
Tarrifs aren't a goddamn cover charge to get intimate the American economy
grahamfiend2@reddit
So you think Americans will make this stuff for cheaper? Labor costs will rise, and there is no way the infrastructure is there anyway in the next few months to support the labor.
SlickRick941@reddit
Guess we'll see, huh
grahamfiend2@reddit
Brother your string of comments here is so wild it could easily be seen as trolling.
hell-in-the-USA@reddit
You know American consumers are the ones who pay the tariffs right? And that they’re compounding typically raising prices by more than just the base percent (i.e. 25% tariff making prices rise by 30%). Most manufacturing cannot just be picked up and moved to the US. That takes decades to build the infrastructure for, also even if you did move it you’re still paying for the raw material to be imported. On top of all of this, when we implement tariffs other countries do the same to us. This makes companies want to leave the US for manufacturing because you’re choosing between tariffs on only goods going to the US or tariffs on every good to the world besides the US. Tariffs do not work in a modern economy, we got a reminder of that with Trumps previous steel tariffs that cause prices to just and US steel plants to close
sasquatch_melee@reddit
Yes, adding an effective 25% sales tax to goods is known to lower the total price.
Fresh-Wealth-8397@reddit
What factory are you trained to work in?
loralailoralai@reddit
Your exports dropping because they get retaliatory tariffs slapped on them might put a damper on your dirt cheap party
TrekRider911@reddit (OP)
We will all laugh with you. If bird flu hasn’t killed us all by then. ;)
Hot_Barracuda4922@reddit
Looks like cars/car parts, minerals, plastics, oil, concrete materials, electronics are going to get wrecked. Sooo basically everything related to them
Pontiacsentinel@reddit
Excerpt from this Canadian site
U.S. president-elect Donald Trump said on Monday that on his first day in office he would impose a 25 per cent tariff on all products from Mexico and Canada, and an additional 10 per cent tariff on goods from China, citing concerns over illegal immigration and the trade of illicit drugs.
"On January 20th, as one of my many first Executive Orders, I will sign all necessary documents to charge Mexico and Canada a 25% Tariff on ALL products coming into the United States, and its ridiculous Open Borders," Trump said in a post on Truth Social.
Trump said the tariffs would remain in place until the two countries clamp down on drugs, particularly fentanyl, and migrants crossing the border illegally.
IdontOpenEnvelopes@reddit
Haaahaahaahaaaahaaahaaaaahaaahaaahaahhaaahhaaaaaaaaaahaaaahha oh shit aahahhhahahhahahhahaha... He doesn't know how tariffs work at all... I can't wait for him to enact this, and his minions to be dumbfounded as to why their shit spiked in costs 50%.
whwt@reddit
Get your TRUMP “I DID THIS!” Stickers.
Hot_Barracuda4922@reddit
I’ve started to say, the MAGA movement has a lot to prove after 4 years of shit talking
unholycowboy1349@reddit
On every fucking pump
CharlotteBadger@reddit
On groceries. Medicine. All the things. We live in a globalistic society and make very little in the US.
SumthingBrewing@reddit
Get them now before they double in price due to tariffs!
SolidAssignment@reddit
Underrated comment
littlewhitecatalex@reddit
His minions won’t be dumbfounded. They’ll just point their fingers at democrats like they always do.
xinreallife@reddit
Biden did it before he left to mess with trumps term1!!
First_manatee_614@reddit
And on cue. Why did the trans cabal and Biden do that to us? KILL THEM All they'll screech while their skillet blows in the wind
Playamonkey@reddit
Welcome to Idiocracy 2, you dumb fu@ks who voted for the least qualified man to run the 800 lbs gorilla (part 2) and this time there are no Congress safety nets. The world and mostly North America will pay and pay. You all preach freedom and vote for the man who will take it away.
babyCuckquean@reddit
Amen!
Sirosim_Celojuma@reddit
So if Mexico can't reign in the illegal immigration, it's Canada's fault?
Key_Concentrate1622@reddit
Wonder what they are going to do in 20 years when climate change starts mass migrations north. Not just in states, but Europe, Russia
Bayaco_Tooch@reddit
You think we have 20 years? Cute.
allthatweidner@reddit
That’s assuming the Gulf Stream doesn’t collapse in the next 1-25 years like it’s expected to according to scientists . That would mean people potentially fleeing Europe too
Sirosim_Celojuma@reddit
Oh yeah. Some people are smart enough to see it coming. I know that it's already happening.
littlewhitecatalex@reddit
Now you’re thinking like a trumpist!
n00dhunter@reddit
You are perpetuating problems. You aren't even close to being part of a solution to what's troubling Americans, people, humans... it would've been better to have not said anything at all.
jammin_jalapeno27@reddit
Ah yes, so the solutions to the problems is imposing tariffs on a totally unrelated country to increase consumer costs in unnecessary and unproductive ways…
n00dhunter@reddit
Your dumb ass is so loud about things you don't understand / parrot from biased 3rd party sources that financially benefit from the opposite point of view- that your self fulfilling prophecy will ABSOLUTELY come true... just not in the way you think... your small- idiot sized brain thinks the solution is being as loud as possible about inevitable prices going up- and you're right- you don't understand tariffs and are giving sharkey business owners the opportunity to price gouge us again, Covid Part 2, you you'll just blame the tariffs... congratulations, you're a retard that is hurting itself and not contributing anything to Any solution For Any Problems ANYONE is Facing.. kindly- Shut The Fuck Up!!!
jammin_jalapeno27@reddit
Ah yes, so the solutions to the problems is imposing tariffs on a totally unrelated country to increase consumer costs in unnecessary and unproductive ways…
jammin_jalapeno27@reddit
Ah yes, so the solutions to the problems is imposing tariffs on a totally unrelated country to increase consumer costs in unnecessary and unproductive ways…
small_island-king@reddit
There are a large number of illegal immigrants using Canadas border to enter the USA.
xinreallife@reddit
If that were true, wouldn’t Trumps paramilitary be able to stop them? Why would that fall on Canada to stop people from leaving their country?
small_island-king@reddit
"If that's were true," it us true.
Because canada made it easy for " refugees " and asylum seekers. Gain access to the country. And as. Soon as they step foot in Canada, they go to Ottawa or Quebec and cross the border into the US.
Canada can stop it. They just refuse to do so.
PracticalRutabaga303@reddit
There's literally people offering "smuggling" services to their own kind up here in Canada. Like, send me 5k and I will show you where to go and how to do it. Even being brazen enough to offer these services on tiktok. We have like 4 million temp immigrants here that have expiring visas too.
billy_bob68@reddit
You need to change Canada to Trudeau.
small_island-king@reddit
And his cronies.
kunjvaan@reddit
This is true. 200k USCIS encounters on the northern border in 2023. There isn’t a north North America past Canada. That’s a lot of people from a country of 40 million.
Sirosim_Celojuma@reddit
I've heard this for the first time right now. I've only heard of the safe third country act. I wonder if there are as many illegals coming as going, how many net illegals and in which direction.
kunjvaan@reddit
It’s probably net gain to the US. Canadians have basically made any immigration very difficult due to their influx last few years.
Boring_Home@reddit
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. This is a huge problem in Canada now (I’m Canadian). I’m seeing it only just start to make the news on US podcasts I listen to.
small_island-king@reddit
People on reddit are just sensitive, that's why.
billy_bob68@reddit
Everything is Canada's fault. Don't you watch South Park? 🤣
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
Jesus Christ it's even dumber than expected. Good fucking god.
AlarmedCartoonist602@reddit
Christian Nationalist say I did that!
kingofthesofas@reddit
Well that will fuck everything up in record time
BenHarder@reddit
Well they better fix their drug and immigration issues in record time before that happens.
An_doge@reddit
Google Roxham road. There, tip of the iceberg for ya.
BenHarder@reddit
Google the negative effects of unregulated mass immigration. There, tip of the iceberg for ya.
kingofthesofas@reddit
Immigrants commit less crimes than native born people even illegal ones. The reason is that if they commit a crime they might be deported so the incentive is higher to not commit crimes. Immigrants are a net positive for the economy even illegal ones because we have a strong demand for their labor. It's a temporary problem too because many of the countries that represent most of the immigration will in 20 years be in their own demographic decline and not have many people to send. That's the case with Mexico already as net migration with Mexico is already negative. Once you actually understand these facts you realize how dumb this plan is.
Sources from scholarly non news media sources:
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/debunking-myth-immigrants-and-crime
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6241529/
https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/how-does-immigration-affect-us-economy
Peter zeihan a non partisan geo political analyst take https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ljvq2WZYNlY
BenHarder@reddit
Nothing you just shared means anything to what I said.
kingofthesofas@reddit
I guess if you are a racist that just doesn't like brown people those facts don't matter, but I fail to see the "social" issue if they commit less crime and provide a net benefit to the economy. I for one know many of these so called "illegal" immigrants and I have found most of them to be hard working honest people that are willing to do whatever they can to contribute to society.
BenHarder@reddit
Im not racist and don’t dislike brown people.
Not sure what regulated immigration has to do with hating brown people, but you can tell us all what you think it means if you’d like.
ReturnOfJohnBrown@reddit
Immigration IS regulated. No idea why you'd say otherwise.
BenHarder@reddit
I didn’t? I reminded you that it’s regulated for a reason and you suggested I don’t like “brown people”
ReturnOfJohnBrown@reddit
That wasn't me. And you claimed there is such a thing as unregulated immigration.
BenHarder@reddit
Very astute observation.
No, I didn’t claim that at all.
sophia333@reddit
Problem is nobody wants the jobs undocumented people take at the rate of pay they are willing to accept.
They impact the economy but not necessarily in the way you suggest.
If these plans work, companies will have to pay a fair wage for the roles they are underpaying now, and they won't want that to eat their profit margin so they will pass the increase in cost to the customer.
BenHarder@reddit
That’s not a problem at all. If those companies don’t want to pay livable wages, then they can go bankrupt and shut down.
They shouldn’t be propped up on the exploitation of humans.
In case you haven’t noticed. We still have cotton products even though we don’t use slaves to pick the cotton anymore.
sophia333@reddit
I'm sure that that could be done, but I don't see our new chief super interested in regulating business to prevent businesses from passing that cost to the customer. I've not heard that discussed.
I recall watching a documentary not long ago about how the big cotton textile companies like Hanes and Fruit of the Loom just outsourced their labor to countries with less restrictions on exploiting the labor force.
Like this is a good idea in theory, but in practice they will either find another way to exploit marginalized/disempowered people or raise their prices (or both).
BenHarder@reddit
I mean there’s no reason to assume he wouldn’t just because he hasn’t made it a point to specify every single detail.
And of course a lot of them did, that’s what most companies do today. Every major clothing brand uses some sort of human exploitation, which is why we need to bring production back to America, where they can’t exploit humans to increase their profit margin.
sophia333@reddit
I am in agreement with you that living wages for American workers is ideal. I think a lot of the people that voted with their wallets are not going to tolerate the increased prices that are coming, though. It's going to be interesting.
There's people that seem out conscious businesses that believe in paying workers a fair wage, sustainability, etc. but - to make some assumptions, admittedly - I am not sure that mindset drove the majority at the polls. It seems like inflation is bothering everyone, but I don't see how these changes will do anything but raise prices for people already very upset about high prices on basic goods.
I dunno. It will be interesting.
BenHarder@reddit
Yeah I agree people will feel the initial burden for sure. But at this point I think it’s unavoidable no matter which solution we go with. There’s always going to be a negative impact initially, but the idea is to have the highest reward for the risk.
sophia333@reddit
I mean, if we could roll back our tax approach so the richest 1% actually pays a fair share, a lot of these issues would disappear. There's really no need for the little guy to feel so squeezed.
BenHarder@reddit
The richest 1% can pay 100% of their wealth in taxes and it wouldn’t run the government for a year. The rich aren’t the problem
sophia333@reddit
Well no, everyone needs to pay taxes to keep infrastructure functional.
What do you think is "the problem" if it's not the unfair distribution of wealth (increasing generational poverty which necessitates more reliance on entitlement programs, fostering learned helplessness, incentivizing people to fill their bodies with garbage making them feel worse and less able to work, big businesses able to squash attempts to call them to justice because they can afford the more intimidating lawyers, etc.)?
I think ultimately we are overpopulated (not just our country but globally) but nobody is going to solve that problem in any way that could possibly be ethical so it's not really a salient point in a conversation about solving these issues.
BenHarder@reddit
You understand that wealth only exists because of the disproportionate distribution? If everyone had 1 million dollars in their bank account, no one would be rich.
The problem with any society is always going to be how to mitigate as much poverty as possible without collapsing and forcing everyone back to poverty. This will never end until human nature changes.
sophia333@reddit
Also, I don't see his general mindset being one of adding regulations. He seems more set on reducing them. So, you're right it's possible he would put something in place but that doesn't fit his gestalt and I'm sure would upset a lot of his main donors.
BenHarder@reddit
There’s definitely different regulations that are more necessary than others, which he isn’t opposed to utilizing.
He isn’t anti-regulation, he’s just anti-pointless regulation
sophia333@reddit
Lol which regulations are pointless is so subjective though.
Always ask who stands to benefit from something being the way it is vs being changed.
On this, I agree with my conspiracy theory oriented counterparts across the aisle.
BenHarder@reddit
It’s all subjective. Reality is subjective to our personal interpretation of it.
BenHarder@reddit
None of that matters.
An_doge@reddit
Buddy Roxham road is people piling into Canada, from the US, illegally. It’s happened all along the border. IN CANADA, OUT USA.
Look, they’re the same people crossing your southern border, they just keep coming up. This whole thing is a Mexico problem, and trump knows that getting into details about it doesn’t work. Explaining is losing in politics. So he’s garner broader support by keeping it simple and directed at the land border. Fooling folks like you that don’t know it’s not a big issue. If anything, it was the opposite, and worse a few years ago.
BenHarder@reddit
Yes. Every first world country has an illegal immigration problem. Your point?
An_doge@reddit
Your first comment was about fixing this, now you seem to think it’s pointless. You have an opinion or you just yappin?
BenHarder@reddit
No my first comment is about Canada cracking down on the immigrants coming from Canada into America and the drugs coming from Canada into America.
You started talking about migrants coming from America into Canada. That has nothing to do with the migrants coming from Canada into America.
kingofthesofas@reddit
It's not even Mexicans coming here and Canada isn't even part of the problem. Mexico already does a ton of enforcement for us and sends tons of people back. They could do more and probably would if we just partnered with them and sent people to help them. Some sort of arbitrary threat isn't going to make Mexico do anything because it's not even specific, what does "fix the issue" even mean? And what the hell is Canada supposed to do since they are not even part of the problem. Tanking our entire economy and doubling food prices all to achieve some badly defined goal that could probably be achieved by other means is just insane.
BenHarder@reddit
You think we aren’t already partnered with them at the border? Lmao.
Bro, it’s simple. They fix the issues Trump mentioned and the tariffs never come.
kingofthesofas@reddit
Yeah I'm not worried about Canada I am worried about the effects on America when we fuck up our trading relationship with our two biggest partners for dumbass reasons. Most of the manufacturers that left China went to Mexico so it would actually shift manufacturing back to China which is the opposite of what we want.
BenHarder@reddit
I’m not worried about the effects it’ll have at all.
Will there be initial burden? Yup. Will that burden alleviate when American production comes back? Yup. Will American wages increase when our production comes back to our country? Yup.
No worries for me at all. It’ll be great for America.
If there was an alternative, where no one feels any negative impact at first, then why haven’t we done that already? Oh yeah, because that path doesn’t exist and never will exist, because that’s not how economies work.
kingofthesofas@reddit
Yeah that's not how it works buddy. We will just enter a massive recession because inflation will go out of control and the fed will raise rates to Tamp down on inflation and the market will crash along with massive layoffs. There will be no magical raise for Americans we will just lose a massive tailwind to our economy. Just look at the UK post brexit to see what is in store for us.
BenHarder@reddit
And in 4 years when we aren’t in a massive recession you’ll just say that Biden’s administration is the reason Trump didn’t ruin the economy lmao.
And you’re right, the raise won’t be magical, it’ll be real.
kingofthesofas@reddit
If Trump just doesn't do anything extreme and moderates it to only put some more tariffs on China and some increased enforcement of immigration then we will be fine and I hope that is what he does. If he really puts massive tariffs on Mexico and tries to deport millions of people the economy will crash as a result not to mention the humanitarian disaster it will be. My guess is no matter what people like you will support him because that's what cult members do.
BenHarder@reddit
Lmao, you’re already working on the excuse huh?
kingofthesofas@reddit
You didn't prove anything you said. I provided you a bunch of sources and you hand waved them away. I showed you logical arguments and you said no it will magically all work. You are the one stooping to personal insults because you got proven wrong about everything and just can't accept reality.
BenHarder@reddit
I don’t need to prove anything, especially to you lmao.
kingofthesofas@reddit
Sure bud
BenHarder@reddit
Please tell me why I would ever need to prove anything to a stranger on the internet?
kingofthesofas@reddit
Yeah that isn't a copy pasted comment. I wrote that in like 5 minutes on the couch because I just know how things work. Go look at my post history if you don't believe me.
BenHarder@reddit
Sure bud.
kingofthesofas@reddit
Whatever helps you sleep at night
BenHarder@reddit
Yeah man whatever you said.
Unfair_Holiday_3549@reddit
They never have, and they never will.
Rooooben@reddit
Or maybe we better stop hiring them and buying the drugs.
BenHarder@reddit
Yeah I guess if you want to take a more personal approach you for sure could, if not for your own sake more than anything.
TrekRider911@reddit (OP)
Beat me to cut and pate. Thanks.
19is_@reddit
What kind of pâté?
Not sure I'm in the mood but I'll fancy the thought.
digitalox@reddit
fancy feast
stock up while you still can and upsell too the old people later
CaramelMeowchiatto@reddit
I probably should stock up on cat food though, shouldn’t I? One of my cats is on a prescription diet and the other is just super picky. I have no idea how Miss Picky survived in the wild before we adopted her.
digitalox@reddit
Great idea! Just keep an eye on the expiry dates. I have gotten bit by it in the past though when I stocked up on it and then they suddenly decide that food isn't good enough anymore!
TrekRider911@reddit (OP)
I was gonna buy a s, but tariff was too high.
19is_@reddit
That's what Xi said.
capitan_dipshit@reddit
Middle-Classless@reddit
Pate will be too expensive by the end of January
Throwawayconcern2023@reddit
The kind you or I will no longer be able to afford.
Ambitious_Budget_671@reddit
Oooh! Pinkies out!
RememberKoomValley@reddit
Smoked salmon, lemon juice, cream cheese, and some fennel--soooo good.
19is_@reddit
You're definitely invited over for my Thanksgiving!
RememberKoomValley@reddit
<3 <3 <3
SeaWeedSkis@reddit
I was thinking bald pate, but...the combovers refuse to disappear, so we're stuck with stringy pate.
joeg26reddit@reddit
Tariffs on French food?
Accurate_Operation13@reddit
Yeah all those Canadians sneaking over for our superior health care.
MagnetHype@reddit
10 percent of $1 is $.10.
10 per cent of $1 is $10.
memememe81@reddit
ADDITIONAL 10%, and you lost the plot
Fickle_Village_9899@reddit
President-elect Donald Trump threatened Monday to slap a 25 percent tariff on Mexican and Canadian goods as long as the countries allowed immigrants to flow over the U.S. border.
butterfish2@reddit
No one goes to the US from Canada except our most trained professionals after Canada subsidizes their cheap education.
AdditionalAd9794@reddit
The guy who hit Mr Pelosi in the head with a hammer was from Canada. You see, when Canada sends their people, they aren't sending their best....
Inflatable-yacht@reddit
I apologize on behalf of Canada for allowing Justin Bieber to escape and enter your country... what happened happened though and he is now your problem
Warm-Sorbet3937@reddit
I thank you kindly for sending Ted Cruz
Inflatable-yacht@reddit
I do not like that man Ted Cruz
Warm-Sorbet3937@reddit
Unfortunately, more than 50% continue to vote for him. He's like gum on our shoe.
Loud_Ad3666@reddit
They'd vote for the devil himself to own the libs and toe the increasingly erratically shaped line.
babyCuckquean@reddit
They just did.
Lopsided_Elk_1914@reddit
actually, i tend to think of Ted Cruz like a fungal infection, something infectious that's a nightmare to get rid of.
myhairychode@reddit
Cancun Cruz
Comfortable_Guide622@reddit
Thank you
ENMR-OG@reddit
Or are they?..
thejakeferguson@reddit
Well Tonya Harding's BF is still locked up or was otherwise indisposed (curling season)
Lopsided_Elk_1914@reddit
i know, Ted Cruz for example...
Throwaway118585@reddit
Wasn’t he a failed actor… yeah him And bieber and Celine Dion…you can have em
drank_myself_sober@reddit
You’re mistaken, that was out best assassin. Steve.
Then_Bar8757@reddit
You guys really are too nice.
Sirosim_Celojuma@reddit
Our handsome secret agents are all called Ryan.
drank_myself_sober@reddit
Shut it, Jim.
Sirosim_Celojuma@reddit
Sorry.
butterfish2@reddit
Outlier
astern126349@reddit
That’s a violent criminal.
lilith_-_-@reddit
He wants the northern border closed so we can’t ESCAPE, not because of an influx of “illegals”
Fabulous-Dig7583@reddit
Then don't wait! Get out NOW!
lilith_-_-@reddit
Don’t have a passport and I’m poor/disabled
VideoAffectionate417@reddit
I thought you were on the anti-gun side of the aisle.
Doctor_Philgood@reddit
It's not that easy. At all.
butterfish2@reddit
I know
DwarvenRedshirt@reddit
https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/illegal-crossings-northern-us-border-terror-suspects-arrested/
Apparently almost 20k this year from Canada to the US (that were caught, substantially more than previous years combined), and it didn't look like highly trained professionals. Recently Trudeau said they were cutting way back on immigration, but that was a month or so ago, and the trend's been since back to the first of the year. I don't know if there's been a cooling down of immigration policies in Canada prior to that October announcement or not.
hell-in-the-USA@reddit
For reference 20k people makes up .005% of people in the US
SlickRick941@reddit
You don't know about the massive influx of military aged males from Russia and China pouring in from Canada since 2020 and it shows
Inflatable-yacht@reddit
Is this a joke? Have you been listening to Rogan retelling a story that a crab told him in during his time in a ketamin hole?
SlickRick941@reddit
You don't like Joe Rogan?
Inflatable-yacht@reddit
Joe Rogan has the combined intellect of two entire potatoes
TubeSockLover87@reddit
Which is sadly why he has such a following.
redhotmess77@reddit
It's because everyone that follows him are more stupid then. He dumbs it down so they can understand.
TubeSockLover87@reddit
There's more going on than that.
He adds a sense of wonder and conspiracy to things that make his listeners feel more intelligent and like they know the "real truth".
It started as a product of entertainment and has morphed into something else.
Somewhat_Sanguine@reddit
That’s very generous of you, two WHOLE potatoes is more than I would have given him. Two of the smallest potatoes in a Little Potatoes bag is more apt.
Mochigood@reddit
Ones that have sprouted and are a little mushy.
J0E_Blow@reddit
u/bot-sleuth-bot
SlickRick941@reddit
Somebody has wrong think, must be a bot lol
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whwt@reddit
Good bot
butterfish2@reddit
No one goes there from Canada because it sucks. People from tropical countries put up with the cold to not live there. They've been crossing into Canada for decades to get out of there.
astern126349@reddit
Ugh. I didn’t know that either.
Hall-of-Stag@reddit
Yet you’re perfectly fine with the notion four years ago that “inflation is transitory” right?
Playingwithmyrod@reddit
No one was "fine with it". We were recovering from a global pandemic. One that Trump botched the response to and handed Biden an awful economy. We recovered completely in 3 years and beat every other developed country. It sucked, it happened, but we can chose to not fuck it up even further. Unfortunately...that isn't what the country chose to do. So now we get to brace for even more inflation.
Hall-of-Stag@reddit
Didn’t Trump try and lock down the borders and was called a xenophobe and an extremist and yet not months later the left was pushing hard to lock down cities and towns? Listen here pal, if you can smell a fart through your pants, you can catch Covid through a mask. The “vaccine” did not prevent the spread of covid. And numerous studies have shown that the 6 foot distancing did absolutely nothing. You were lied to and you continue to enjoy being lied to.
Playingwithmyrod@reddit
I was referring to his economic handling of it by handing out hundreds of Billions in fraudulent loans after stripping the oversight on them.
Hall-of-Stag@reddit
You took those checks just like everyone else did bud so stop sitting on your pedestal. Furthermore, how do you feel about Biden refusing to comply with SCOTUS when they say the billions he’s tried to erase in student loans is illegal? Stop pandering bud.
Playingwithmyrod@reddit
Not those checks...PPP loans.
Hall-of-Stag@reddit
Perhaps if we had not had massive lockdowns that devastated small businesses across the country and which did absolutely nothing to stop the spread, we wouldn’t have needed to do all of those loans now would we? How many people were fired, silenced, raided for saying the lockdowns were likely not a good idea? And yet, here were are, focusing on a radical agenda for the last four years that we have been gaslit into believing was “utopia”. People feel for the BS the first time, it didn’t work this time because of the notions you’re pushing.
Nice try and thanks for the debate practice. Keep doubling down though. It will help us during the midterms and at the next presidential election! God speed
Playingwithmyrod@reddit
I'm not saying they weren't necessary to some extent, I just blame him for firing the people responsible for their oversight, saying and I quote "I'll be the oversight", and then handing them out like candy, to the tune of 200 billion in fraud. My previous employer took a 10 million dollar loan and the CUT our pay, removed our retirement benefits, and still expected us to work the same amount.
For someone who claimed personal responsibility of these loans, he did a shit job.
planetshapedmachine@reddit
Well, inflation was down to 2.1% the day after the election. Seems pretty transitory to me. But the thing is that inflation is constant rise in prices, not the price staying the same price at a level that you think is too much. The only way that prices go DOWN after inflation is via a recession
LeonardoSpaceman@reddit
Jesus christ.
I work in Canada for a Architectural manufacturing company.
They are all Trump supporters (despite being Canadian) because they like his "policies".
They sure changed their tune today. We're probably closing down if he goes through with these Tariffs.
bebe_laroux@reddit
Just tell them to get a new job in the US. Problem solved since they seem to support that country more than their own.
thewisegeneral@reddit
This is just a threat. He is not going to actually do it. Even if he does it will be narrow like biden's current tariffs.
MeatTornadoLove@reddit
If there is one thing I learned from his last admin, he is a reasonable guy who never paints with a broad brush in policy.
He never would blanket ban people based on a religion from entering the country.
He never would ban an entire minority from serving in the military.
thewisegeneral@reddit
Kamala Harris campaigned on completing the border wall. Something that Trump received a lot of flak for back in 2016. https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala-harris-flip-flops-border-wall
Trump didn't ban an entire religion. He banned people from certain countries. There are many other Muslim majority countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan , Bangladesh which weren't on the list. The list itself was taken from the previous Obama administration. Here was the precedent set by Obama. In December 2015, President Obama signed into law a measure placing limited restrictions on certain travelers who had visited Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011. Two months later, the Obama administration added Libya, Somalia, and Yemen to the list, in what it called an effort to address "the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters."
SWtoNWmom@reddit
That's literally our best case scenario. He is going to be just as successful with these tariffs as he was building that wall and locking her up. Followers champion his slogans but don't seem to care if he actually follows through.
thewisegeneral@reddit
You know democrats campaigned on the wall this election ?
SWtoNWmom@reddit
Maybe because it hasn't been built still
thewisegeneral@reddit
They campaigned on BUILDING the wall bud.
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala-harris-flip-flops-border-wall
Old_Wallaby_7461@reddit
The next 4 years are going to be a slow motion car crash
ohyeahwell@reddit
Hahaha in lumber. Man this fucked us the last time.
SaliciousB_Crumb@reddit
Well get shapiro to go prove he is a man again and buy a 4x2 plank...
score_@reddit
A small poplar plank in a plastic shopping bag.
Libs owned with facts and logic ☝️🤓
citymousecountyhouse@reddit
I'm surprised this idiot didn't throw Hawaii and Puerto Rico in there.
Equivalent_Tea8061@reddit
Please don’t yell at me, but I always thought preppers were republicans. Doesn’t seem like a lot of Trump fans here.
Actius@reddit
The ones that are Republicans are choosing not to speak right now. They may have realized they backed the wrong horse.
Equivalent_Tea8061@reddit
It’s so baffling. It really doesn’t matter I guess. Maybe I’ve had misconceptions about “preppers.”
herald125@reddit
How to keep Americans trapped in their country, whilst blaming someone else
VideoAffectionate417@reddit
Leave now. Problem solved.
Josthefang5@reddit
And Trudeau called Trump!
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
And Trump said he got consessions from Mexico... only for mexico to say "the fuck you did asshat"
Josthefang5@reddit
Well the source for Trudeau comes from…. Trudeau himself
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
My point is, you're trying to hail this as a wonderful negotiation win… When it's a really shrug moment
Josthefang5@reddit
Im really just trying to say it’s not that big of a deal. Nothing ever happens
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
If that is your stance, then why are you even commenting to begin with?
Josthefang5@reddit
To ease people’s fears
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
You are mistaking if you think there is fear by anyone that is not Maga… It is simply acknowledgment of what is to come...
The belief that the inflation will be transitory is ridiculous. There will be: - the direct inflation with imported goods - the secondary inflation where domestic producers raise prices because their competition has to (good ol capitalist greed) - the retaliatory tariffs by ALL off our trading partners (not just china, mexico and canada) which will stifle US exports - the layoffs by exporting businesses becaause their marjets have dried up - our trading partners WILL find alternative suppliers that will be cheaper for them than US goods. - the US's standing on the world economic stage will fall... as we have made a situation where our trading partners learn they no longer need us. Don't be surprised to see new free trade arrangements between other countries. - you will then want to retort that our US Dollar IS THE global currency, however the incoming administration is actively working to gut agencies, knee cap agency authorities (think SEC, IRS, EPA, OSHA, etc), roll back regulation... ALL of this makes the US less palatable to investment. The value of the Dollar falls with the reduced safety of the US regulatory regime making any remaining imports MORE expensive. - there is an increased likelihood that the GOP will default on the US debt... the zealots have been pressing for the more and more... so the likelihood is increased. That makes the US dollar and securities prices fall due to this uncertainty alone... which will i crease ten fold if they succeed in defaulting. - mass deportation removes a significant portion of our economy. This puts further downward pressure on businesses, and since the only market is internal, (no exports any longer) they have to reduce payrolls to compensate. So the job boost you THINK will happen will not... in fact it will be automation that takes up most of the slack... what will be left will ONLY be menial labor jobs that dont pay well. - that gutting of agencies and rolling back of protective regulations and anti-collective bargaining legislation means that anyone under C-suite level employment will be subject to increased downward wage pressures, increasingly unsafe working conditions. You may say "its an open market, employees can always quit and find a different job"... but when the C-suite employees collude (and the regulation tide change will encourage collusion), there is a reduced chance that employees can "trade up".
Nakedinthenorthwoods@reddit
Don’t worry, we will have more American jobs and products in no time. The economy will be great again.
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
No we won't. Our trading partners will match out tariffs with their own. Our exports will dry up. Meanwhile those trading partners will find other cheaper suppliers and learn they do not need the US.
All this time trump's appointeed will be gutting agencies, deregulating, rolling back protections on comsumers, the environment, and workers.
In time the GOP will finally default on our debt, and M will make the US less attractive as an investment and financial superpower.
No.... those jobs you hope for will not materialize. The jobs that would have happened are now obsolete and are being done through automation.
Enjoy your inflation.
Nakedinthenorthwoods@reddit
And where did you learn this “gem” of knowledge?
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
Disprove it
Nakedinthenorthwoods@reddit
Why don’t you prove your theory instead?
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
First, the hypocrisy of prior enragement at the inflation caused by the protection of our economy that was necessitated by Trump's fuckup of a pandemic response, followed by your above shrugging off of an ill concieved macroeconomic disasterplan is outrageous.
Second, You can look up the Smoot Hawley Tariff Act to see an example of how shitty tariffs work, and it doesn't result in what you believe.
Third, your belief that the inflation will be transitory is ridiculous. There will be: - the direct inflation with imported goods - the secondary inflation where domestic producers raise prices because their competition has to (good ol capitalist greed) - the retaliatory tariffs by ALL off our trading partners (not just china, mexico and canada) which will stifle US exports - the layoffs by exporting businesses becaause their marjets have dried up - our trading partners WILL find alternative suppliers that will be cheaper for them than US goods. - the US's standing on the world economic stage will fall... as we have made a situation where our trading partners learn they no longer need us. Don't be surprised to see new free trade arrangements between other countries. - you will then want to retort that our US Dollar IS THE global currency, however the incoming administration is actively working to gut agencies, knee cap agency authorities (think SEC, IRS, EPA, OSHA, etc), roll back regulation... ALL of this makes the US less palatable to investment. The value of the Dollar falls with the reduced safety of the US regulatory regime making any remaining imports MORE expensive. - there is an increased likelihood that the GOP will default on the US debt... the zealots have been pressing for the more and more... so the likelihood is increased. That makes the US dollar and securities prices fall due to this uncertainty alone... which will i crease ten fold if they succeed in defaulting. - mass deportation removes a significant portion of our economy. This puts further downward pressure on businesses, and since the only market is internal, (no exports any longer) they have to reduce payrolls to compensate. So the job boost you THINK will happen will not... in fact it will be automation that takes up most of the slack... what will be left will ONLY be menial labor jobs that dont pay well. - that gutting of agencies and rolling back of protective regulations and anti-collective bargaining legislation means that anyone under C-suite level employment will be subject to increased downward wage pressures, increasingly unsafe working conditions. You may say "its an open market, employees can always quit and find a different job"... but when the C-suite employees collude (and the regulation tide change will encourage collusion), there is a reduced chance that employees can "trade up".
I'm sorry, but the simplistic and ignorant belief you are working under is feeble. As Asimov said "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
Nakedinthenorthwoods@reddit
I understand your liberal fears. Liberals fear everything, and especially things they don’t understand.
Long explanations are justification for ridiculous positions.
Simply put. If we want to protect Americans and their jobs we have to have tariffs. Will there be minor inflation? Could be short term. Long term will be fine.
With the tariffs I assume we will stop subsidizing the world. End 90% of the foreign aid. Stop funding the UN. Make other countries pay for once.
I am sick of liberals complaining about our country and conservatives being nazis uncaring etc, tired of being treated like we are a country of monsters by other countries,
Disgusted as people from these other countries break our laws and illegally invade our country then steal our resources as they settle in like they own the place.
Make those tariffs high Mr Trump. We don’t need them, my grandkids need jobs not handouts like the libs think.
Make America Great Again!
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
Sorry kiddo, but I have you rationale, and I have no fear of what I tell you, I have confidence it is coming. You have been told... however YOUR fears, as evidenced in your opinion above, have been ised to manipulate you. You will not get what you think you will get.
Enjoy what's coming.
Nakedinthenorthwoods@reddit
I will. I can see 12 years without a liberal in the White House. It will be grand.
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
So... when was America great?
Nakedinthenorthwoods@reddit
There in lies your problem.
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
A) Its telling that you yourself can't answer it. It is further telling that MAGA cannot agree amongst itself what the right answer is.
B) you are likely to get far more than the 12 years that you hope for... I hope you are prepared for that.
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
RemindMe! 30 months
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
Look up The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act.
Read about the impacts.
TrekRider911@reddit (OP)
I will fully admit I was wrong about trumps plans if that happens. I fear I’m not tho.
KaosAABABABA@reddit
Realistically it will take anywhere from a few months for decades to build an American industry and expertise, which would in the end be good but it needs to be done gracefully and not by fucking over the entire working class. Basically when the government sold us down the river decades ago and allowed high skill high complexity factories in metal foundries, tool and die and similar the time it will take to get that back has only grown by the month. That industry knowledge is just. Gone. People aged out retired and died after their company was shipped over seas, quite fucking literally in some cases. And we need to get that back but we need real penalties and incentives forced on decision makers not the workers. E.g. if you don’t get x % of manufacturing into the US by the end of the year, you as the executives will be limited to X$ in compensation of all kinds. So no skirting the rules with bonuses or some bullshit. Same way there should be penalties for layoffs and job destruction. You should not be able to fire 75% of your workforce to meet a bottom line and get a bonus. That needs to end. However there are no planned incentives for companies to bring jobs back. No penalties for staying outside of the US. (A tariff is not a penalty on executives making decisions it’s just a tax that will get passed on to consumers for all existing products). So it will pretty much fuck us over without working. And starting a global trade war which will further the divide between regular working class Americans and the billionaires taking over the government. In short yeah if tariffs are done as said, we’re fucked. If they’re used to prevent Chinese car companies from beating our prices domestically, or prevent existing factories from leaving that would be great to be honest.
morhambot@reddit
this is getting good let him do it USA USA USA
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
He will fuck us... you included
TheRastafarian@reddit
Doesn't this increase incentive for smugglers?
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
Yes
we-vs-us@reddit
He’s not even in power yet. Plenty of time to negotiate this down.
He’s essentially wasting no time in shaking down our most important trading partners.
SWtoNWmom@reddit
Ahh. More 4d chess then
we-vs-us@reddit
Nah. It’s still just 2d chess. It’s not that complicated. We’ve watched him do stuff like this before with varying degrees of success. He understands leverage, which is what he’s trying to use here. Make outrageous threats, demand concessions to not act on them.
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
Trump is playing checkers...
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
Those trading partners will retaliatewith their own tariffs... and they will find alternative amd cheaper replacements.
Just look up Smoot Hawley.
Constant-Kick6183@reddit
What specific things are about to get more expensive? Like what should we be stocking up on in addition to the essentials as always?
CO-Troublemaker@reddit
Across the board.
Food and vehicles absolutely.... but across the board as we are dependent on imports in most supply chains.
But because all of our trading partners will retaliate with tariffs on US goods, we will also see a plummeting of exports... and thus layoffs.
Tipsy247@reddit
What should we stock up on tho?. Food?
GreenDog27@reddit
My priorities: Athletic shoes, medication, vitamins, eyeglasses, sunglasses. Sunscreen.
Cleaning supplies, masks.
Luxuries: Tea, olive oil (although we do make it in California), San Pellegrino.
Trying to add more food at each grocery trip.
Looking and waiting for sales/discounts on vitamins and over the counter medications (ibuprofen, Benadryl etc).
Some odd items: my kiddo likes this goat cheese from France and saw it on sale so stocked up a bit but is fairly perishable.
I don't have it in me to upgrade my tech or cars at this time. Good luck!
sasquatch_melee@reddit
Wait. OTC meds are largely imported?
GreenDog27@reddit
Many, if not all. I would suggest looking for things on sale/discount. I am trying to be patience with what I buy and not overpay. Because we really don't know what will happen with tariffs.
NoAir1312@reddit
I believe India and/or China make a HUGE number of our OTC meds, or the ingredients that go into them.
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
Electronics of any kind, housing (lumber), coffee, chocolate, and sugar.
dirty-E30@reddit
I mean I could actually just cut all of those out of my life and be healthier. I could give a shit about the lumber, but I don't bc a new home will never, ever be achievable.
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
It won't be limited to these things, these will just be the obvious ones. You can't really stockpile fresh produce, car parts, or prescription medications.
Just as we saw with inflation before, all of this will put upward pressure on labor costs and that means everything will get more expensive.
dirty-E30@reddit
Yeah I hear ya, although car parts wouldn't be too difficult.
I think I could drop $1200 on maintenance items like various seals, fluids, filters, brake pads and rotors, a radiator, timing belt and water pump, suspension bushings, PCV, hoses, bulbs, and extra hardware and it'd probably get me through two presidencies on my '99 4runner. But that thing also doesn't break down and I'm mechanically-inclined. Many others aren't so fortunate.
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
True, though my car inspection is due in March so I may just go early in January. No way for me to know for sure if I'll need brakes or something else beforehand (I'm not a car person tbh.)
dirty-E30@reddit
Look in your owner's manual. There should be a maintenance schedule laid out by mileage. You can estimate based upon that and purchase necessary materials with the help of a parts store, whether that be the dealership or aftermarket.
90% of vehicle maintenance is truly extremely simple ("dealerships don't want you to know this one simple trick!" 😆) and can be accomplished with simple hand tools. Youtube is your best friend. Search by year, make, and model plus the item you're trying to address and I can nearly guarantee that there's a video for it.
Have you seen labor prices now? If there's any helpful skill to learn these days, it's auto maintenance.
iridescent-shimmer@reddit
Probably very good advice, though I'm not sure I trust myself with something as important as the brakes 🤣 I bought my car at the end of 2019 and it still hasn't needed new brakes or tires yet, so I'm definitely buying new tires in January. But, figured maybe I should just plan on replacing the brakes too. They passed inspection last year no problem, but still feels like I'm on borrowed time. But, I'll check out YouTube to see if there's an easy way to check how worn they are. That would be really helpful to know.
SWtoNWmom@reddit
Sugar?
mortalitylost@reddit
Honey I swear I needed these 10 new synthesizers before it's too late
mhummel@reddit
Fair enough. You don't want to laughed out of Moog City because you don't even have a Roland....
sixtyninexfourtwenty@reddit
It’s okay, everyone. We know the corporations won’t use this as another excuse to price gouge (on top of the tariffs) and we know that if or when the tariffs ever go away, they’ll make sure to lower prices again.
TiredOfDebates@reddit
“Price gouging” is a way overused term, as of late. And it is horrifically reductive.
In a free market, a company is going to charge the highest amount they can.
If companies are able to dominate a market and monopolistically suppress competition, they will be able to charge absurdly high prices, and their profit margins will soar.
The way to fix this is to demand effective anti-trust legislation and enforcement. Psshhhhh hahahahhaaha okay that’s it going to happen anytime soon. Better grease up.
The working people of this country just have to lose a lot more, until they are ready to learn.
C1TonDoe@reddit
I hate people using this term so freely. At what point is considered price gouging? 10% profit margin? 20% profit margin? Any profit margin?
ageofbronze@reddit
Lol I think you missed the prior commenter’s point, it’s not businesses trying to adapt and be competitive to make a profit when there’s widespread collusion and price fixing in all of the most necessary industries
C1TonDoe@reddit
Ok then again, at what point is it considered as price gouging? Even let's say hypothetically all businesses collude (and majority of them don't because they want business), what's the profit margin mark that's considered as price gouging?
ageofbronze@reddit
Price fixing* there ya go 😭😭
sarcago@reddit
I’ve been buying extra of literally everything although it feels quite useless because eventually I’m going to have to just buy stuff at the new prices 🤷🏻♀️
Electrical-Concert17@reddit
I kept thinking about this last night, because the before mentioned tariffs were bad enough. I convinced myself I’d just be easing into the shock of it if I stock up now.
ChampagneandAlpacas@reddit
Yup, my partner and I decided to take the big hit now. We're buying any electronics, appliances, furniture/household stuff, and shelf stable items now, since we know those planned items WILL be purchased in our future anyway, and we're likely looking at a 25%+++ discount if we bite the bullet and then buckle down for the next year.
Miserable-Fig2204@reddit
This - ease the blow
CrazyQuiltCat@reddit
But it is smart because you’ll use that time to find the best deal when you do buy more
mrszubris@reddit
I got 4 years of stuff that CAN be gotten in no expiring quantities that I for sure will have to buy no matter what. Powdered detergent, hand soap concentrate sanitizers etc.
SWtoNWmom@reddit
I had been thinking more in the lines of food. Thanks for the reminder that cleansers and stuff will be needed too.
itsadiseaster@reddit
Make america great! China will pay for the tariffs like mexico is paying for the wall! /s
IdontOpenEnvelopes@reddit
This clown is going to cause a cost of living crisis in the US ...
fairoaks2@reddit
And those who whine the loudest will be the idiots who believed his lies. Not sorry for them. They voted for him. The rest of us are caught up in their stupid choices. Our economy was improving.
sasquatch_melee@reddit
They'll blame Democrats. 100%. There's no chance they realize or accept the pain was self-inflicted by voting for this narcissist.
Playingwithmyrod@reddit
I mean they control every branch of government. There's no one else to blame at this point.
sasquatch_melee@reddit
Agreed, but we've reached a time where facts don't register and a lot of folks believe whatever they want to.
horseman5K@reddit
These types of tariffs will trigger higher inflation, which is actually beneficial to wealthy people like Trump who hold lots of assets like real estate and stocks. They want inflation to rise and which will push interest rates to go lower like what happened a couple years ago, which made a lot of wealthy people much wealthier.
Tinyberzerker@reddit
How's the dock worker strike thing going? Isn't that supposed to start back up in January? Double whammy?
DwarvenRedshirt@reddit
Yes, it was pushed to the next administration. Whether it would continue or not under Trump we'll see.
Tinyberzerker@reddit
My husband thinks it's a bunch of talk on Trump's part. I just checked his special peanut butter and it's from Canada. My spices and salsas are not from the U.S. I'm so tired of stressing about this shit. Feels like a 2020 shortage repeat coming.
DwarvenRedshirt@reddit
The dock worker thing is real, not related to Trump, and there's absolutely nothing you can do to affect it from happening or not happening. I've learned not to stress over things I don't have any control over. Do what you can to mitigate direct impacts and move on.
Tinyberzerker@reddit
I'm in car repair. If our parts go up, we pass it along. If you need any expensive repairs, do it now if you can. We use OEM brands and most are not made in the U.S.
Low-Ad-6253@reddit
time to open a junk yard there gonna be making bank
Tinyberzerker@reddit
We seem to be acquiring abandoned Subarus at my shop 😂 I guess that's a start.
burnerburner802@reddit
One of my local grocery stores just raised prices on chicken thighs by $1.50/lb. Greedy stores are gonna have a field day with all this economic speculation (went to store 2 blocks away for much cheaper lol)
BeingSad9300@reddit
I think that might be a bird flu issue. It's ramped up to the point where farms are having to kill off their stock, which means chicken & egg prices go up.
burnerburner802@reddit
Oh for sure rooted in actual events but I think the price charges are taking advantage of that. All these grocers are still clocking record profits
risinson18@reddit
Bird flue has been running rampant in the chicken industry. That’s a supply and demand issue.
lurk42069@reddit
Not defending stores, but now they are preparing to have to buy these items at a higher price. The tariffs will shoot the price and they won’t be caught holding the bag
SWtoNWmom@reddit
That's the kicker right? Prices are going to go up because of the tariffs and then greed inflation is going to kick in on top of that
Reeko_Htown@reddit
You know I’m not into the whole “buy gold and silver” prepper thing but I started last month. We’re heading towards hyperinflation Argentina style if Trump has his way 100%
Playingwithmyrod@reddit
My worry is actually in 2026. If he replaces Jerome Powell with some loyalist muppet that bends interest rates to Trump's will, I am getting the fuck out of the stock market.
obe1knows@reddit
Can someone tell me why he thinks this is a good idea it's going to fuck up so many sectors
otterfeets@reddit
Tell me this isn’t the first moment you’ve had this thought!
obe1knows@reddit
Oh no of course not I just don't understand his reasoning. I'm sure it's from some sort of pettiness or he's trying to gain leverage but Leverage is not working in the American people's favor. I'm sure he just doesn't understand how tariffs work. Maybe they're afraid to tell him.
theanxiousknitter@reddit
He wants to intentionally tank the economy. He understands, he doesn’t care.
BayouGal@reddit
So that the remaining wealth (after Trump 1.0) can also be redistributed upward to the oligarchs. And we can all work until we die, own nothing & not even be allowed to smoke weed 🙄
Zapthatthrist@reddit
Neofeudalism
Ancient-Emu27@reddit
Exactly
DwarvenRedshirt@reddit
It's a negotiating tactic. Mexico is going to force that caravan to disperse/stop and this will go away.
sasquatch_melee@reddit
What the fuck did Canada do? Send us too much tim Hortons and maple syrup? 😂
DwarvenRedshirt@reddit
Almost 20k people caught crossing the border illegally from Canada to the US this year. Huge spike compared previous years.
Ikoikobythefio@reddit
It's probably a bargaining point. This is how he does it.
Wild-Lengthiness2695@reddit
Bargaining only works from a position of strength.
Can many many US businesses afford to change their supply chain based on this crazy idea ? Nope. Which means they have to buy anyway and charge more , which means political heat for Donald when the minions realise that cheaper prices don’t come from tariffs….so he has to compromise and it’s back to business as normal.
When you are a net importer it’s hard to start telling others what to do.
Ikoikobythefio@reddit
I didn't say it was smart, or right. 🙃
Jagcan@reddit
This isnt bargaining. Its extortion.
littlewhitecatalex@reddit
No one can tell you that. trump is not bound by reason or logical thought.
Mackadelik@reddit
Not his first time creating a crisis, putting the country in the same or worse footing and claiming his political prowess was the country’s savior.
Unobtanium_Alloy@reddit
The Ministry of Truth has entered the chat...
Thoraxe474@reddit
Is he capable of that?
score_@reddit
Putting tariffs on everything allows him to work side deals where he gets paid off for preferential trade conditions. A protection racket of sorts. More grifting and scamming at the taxpayer expense.
DatMoeFugger@reddit
If everything's more expensive including labor/supplies and final invoices the GDP climbs! /s
RevoltingBlobb@reddit
You’re expecting logic and reasoning from the man who brought you bleach injections, nuke the hurricanes and (my personal favorite) they’re eating the dogs!! ?
_stuncle@reddit
It’s good for his portfolio because companies get to take more of your money and report record earnings.
johnnywheels@reddit
magaflation
micholob@reddit
We're all gonna be eating the dogs
Upbeat_Flamingo1339@reddit
I am no government expert, but i am like 75-90% certain that it would require Congress to vote for that, and I will press x to doubt. But hey, I have been wrong before a lot lol.
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
Just surgery fear monger knows trump was president for 4 years be used tarrifs successfully disproving the fear mongering.
Stop spreading CCP propaganda because you hate America,Americans and trump.
tactical-catnap@reddit
Are you high? There was a massive government bailout for farmers as a direct result of his tariffs. China just started buying farm products from other countries. It literally has the opposite effect of what he promised. It cost us more than the bailout of the auto industry from Bush's term.
Biden and Harris brought inflation down to, what? Less than 3%? Significantly less than just about every other country.
Everyone who didn't vote for Trump remembers the failure of his tariffs. Every time I talk to a Trump voter about it, they have no idea what I'm talking about.
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
"massive" it wasn't even what California spends a month on illegals lol.
Prices didn't go up infact items like steel which you claimed would sky rocket went down.
You guys doing whatever you can to attack America is why you keep losing btw lol.
tactical-catnap@reddit
What? Prices went up, and tens of thousands of manufacturing jobs were lost.
The bailout cost the US more than what we pay to maintain our nuclear weapons.
Jesus fucking Christ. You need to acknowledge reality.
"You guys attack America" goddamn this is stupid. Trump is not America. Get it through your fucking skull that speaking out against Trump is not "attacking America". Pointing out that his policies failed, that he stole secret documents and attempted a coup is not "attacking America". Anytime you hear something you don't like, you toss out the ol' thought terminating cliche "you just hate America" because you have no point to make.
Flat_Boysenberry1669@reddit
No they were not lol trumps job reports which btw never got revised and always had matching unemployment and job participation numbers was constantly high in every sector until COVID.
You're literally simping for other nations economies now spreading lies to benefit them the main one being China lol.
Altruistic-Order-661@reddit
Grammar much? Absolutely not a troll from abroad over here…
enkrypt3d@reddit
I thought he was going to reduce prices!?
MsTitsMcGee1@reddit
@leopardsatemyface
enkrypt3d@reddit
😂
UtopianPablo@reddit
lol.
MsTitsMcGee1@reddit
@leopardsatemyface
taeppa@reddit
Canada allows illegal immigrants to cross freely into the US? Wtf?
Hordes of hungry uneducated Canadians, in caravans, carrying dozens of children and all their possessions, walk across Niagara to take those sweet sweet agricultural jobs from red-blooded patriotic 'Mercans in Buffalo.
Lol.
DwarvenRedshirt@reddit
They're not Canadians for the most part.
Fabulous-Dig7583@reddit
The amount of copium here is amazing.
OutIntoTheWild07@reddit
I didn’t realize this sub was Trump derangement syndrome. But it’s Reddit. Of course it is. I take the gamble on Trump. All downvotes welcome. Go watch The View. Take a break from PrepperIntel. the last 4 years has been absolutely terrible for anyone with a family getting by. He’s business, let’s see where this goes
sasquatch_melee@reddit
You're surprised that people who stock up on thing to be prepared for disasters dislike an impending disaster and dislike their stocking up becoming more complicated and more expensive?
RelativeWeekend453@reddit
What you think will happen when he starts raising tariffs, what are the normal consequences in a global economy when you do such a thing?
LePetitRenardRoux@reddit
What kind of stuff can/should we stock up on?
emc2massenergy@reddit
On this site you can see current data of imports from Mexico.
https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports/mexico
Here is a great infographic of foods imported to the US. https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cp/us-food-imports-by-country/
Here is an insightful read about decoupling from China. https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2024/jan/decoupling-where-it-matters-us-imports-from-china-in-critical-sectors
LePetitRenardRoux@reddit
Bahahahahaha. So, everything. My god. We are all about to sleep in the bed the last 50 years has been making. Step 1: change ethical business compass away from serving the customer and towards serving the shareholders. Step 2: move all manufacturing overseas, lowering consumer costs to an unsustainable level. Step 3: once all Americans are acclimated to a high standard of living for low cost (the ones who remember buy it once american made are dead), make all goods made overseas 25% more expensive, collapsing the last remnants of the middle class in America and probably shaking up the world economy a good deal.
GreyNeighbor@reddit
Thanks for the links. That Visual Capital is extraordinarily interesting
Not sure who is behind the site, but like in the FAQs that it is data driven, without opinion-based content, so they don't typically accept articles.
theanxiousknitter@reddit
Crude Oil? This Canadian tariff is going to absolutely wreck us.
AdditionalAd9794@reddit
Previously the greatest impacted item I noticed was graphics cards, though that prices increase was also boosted by all the crypto mining.
Absinthe_Parties@reddit
Def crypto. And w the recent surge in bitcoin more people trying to mine.
AdditionalAd9794@reddit
You think word of Trumps proposed strategic crypto reserve sends bitcoin soaring and brings back mining in mass?
Subsequently, I suspect if his proposed strategic reserve gets shut down or he pulls the rug out from us and backs out, prices plummet
Absinthe_Parties@reddit
They will plummet again regardless. It's on a cycle. We are in a boom phase and crypto bros are posting their gains all over social media. Once the correction happens youll see a lot of social media sob stories about people that didnt sell in time and are now losing money. Happens every 4ish years.
anacondra@reddit
... bullets?
SMTecanina@reddit
It's a really long list, and impacts practically everything in our daily lives.
$480billion worth of imports to the United States from Mexico in 2023. They're our largest trading partner.
$430billion worth of imports from Canada in 2023.
$448billion worth of imports from China in 2023.
Reasonable-Sweet9320@reddit
Canada used to be the US biggest trading partner but China has flooded Mexico with Chinese owned factories that make things like car parts ( undercutting us automakers) and other products and their doing that to take advantage of Mexicos free trade agreement with US and Canada - USMCA.
But it’s taking business away from US and Canada as well as jobs.
Canada has already said some time ago they’ll match tariffs dollar for dollar. It’s not good for either country. The real problem is Chinese factories in Mexico.
dirty-E30@reddit
Mexico should seize them and bounce China for good. They have no business being anywhere near North America. Even that port in Paraguay is too close, considering China can use it to stage naval vessels.
kingofthesofas@reddit
Yep our two biggest trade partners and Mexico is a huge part of the replacement for China manufacturing base so it would screw up the entire transition from China he wants.
SMTecanina@reddit
And incentivize our largest trading partners to start trading with other nations instead of us. Further screwing us over.
IdontOpenEnvelopes@reddit
Tariffs effect goods on the consumer side, by making them more expensive against domestically produced goods.
Both US and Canada are competing for consumer markets in Mexico. This might be a boon for Canadian trade with Mexico, the same one we got shafted on last time Trump was in office, when Mexico and US ratified NAFTA and told Canada "take it or leave it".
Mysterious_Archer237@reddit
Didn’t quite go down like “take it or leave it”. US backed down on virtually everything with Canada’s counter-tariffs.
I_Love_To_Poop420@reddit
Enjoy an avocado. They are about to be the same price as lobster.
baardvark@reddit
Freeze some.
fairoaks2@reddit
That hurts.
nixstyx@reddit
Expect lumber and building supplies to get a lot more expensive.
TrekRider911@reddit (OP)
Anything made overseas basically… since a lot of fresh produce comes from south of the border…
GCI_Arch_Rating@reddit
And anything with parts made overseas that is assembled in the US. So... everything.
weird_economic_forum@reddit
Bustelo… lots and lots of Bustelo
papajim22@reddit
Good idea. They’re a great cheap coffee.
Pea-and-Pen@reddit
FYI, Big Lots usually has the large plastic coffee cans of CB. I stock up on them when they have them for my son. I’m thinking they are $12.99.
ohyeahwell@reddit
Lumber, cars
sasquatch_melee@reddit
Fuck. I need two full HVAC systems. Have been trying to save for them but medical bills are kicking my ass.
I saw China coming but Canada and Mexico 25% is peak stupid even for him.
SWtoNWmom@reddit
On a related note, I have been looking for a good modern victory garden book or instruction. I know how to garden but not necessarily how to feed a family with just the garden. If anyone has any resources or recommendations I would love them please.
ALinIndy@reddit
Conspiracy theory: No substantial tariffs will be enacted, if any—it will be negotiated down to a tiny percentage. Trump is goosing the economy right before he takes office. If people freak out and stock up on overseas made products (like everything, except for some foods), this will be a record breaking Christmas season for the markets. Trump will be reminded that he can’t just Fiat giant financial actions without Congressional approval and any numbers he mentioned before will be shrunk into near meaninglessness. If it’s going to be official policy of our government to assist corporations in starving people needlessly, then they will face resistance.
theanxiousknitter@reddit
Problem is, people aren’t stocking up on those things. At least in my circle, everyone is skipping Christmas all together to stock up on necessities.
SpaceballsTheCritic@reddit
After the ridiculous 25% tariff comment I wouldn’t be surprised if the presidents of Canada, Mexico, and China are going to have a conference call and say only three words: Apes togerther strong.
Highwaystar541@reddit
Lots of stuff is shipped through Mexico due to there being a big port in Mexico. It’s cheaper than Long Beach. Or San Francisco or the northern ports. Also only so many ships can move through ports.
Not sure how the tariffs will work.
TrekRider911@reddit (OP)
Neither does Trump to be fair…
Yiddish_Dish@reddit
yes, im sure he has ZERO idea how thse work lol.
Dapper-Emergency1263@reddit
Does his arsehole taste of orange?
Yiddish_Dish@reddit
oh man, ya got me
Highwaystar541@reddit
The difference is I know I don’t. But I do know it’s gunna cost me.
loralailoralai@reddit
It still has to be cleared when it enters the USA no matter where it’s from. They’ll assess it when it’s cleared
paranormalisnormal@reddit
To all the non-Americans.. do you think we will get everything cheaper because there will be limited demand form the US market? Might be a silver lining for the rest of us.
patronix@reddit
Lol our taxes are going up next year so I am stocking up on stuff too. The inflation is supposed to pick up again, and the prices will rise for sure.
NeatZebra@reddit
Yes but we will also be poorer relatively so on net will be worse off. Over time we will also be poorer selling to markets further away instead of ones close by.
Reeko_Htown@reddit
Americans will never stop buying shit. That’s what makes us the biggest economy of the world. They never adjusted their shopping habits after inflation so why would they start now? They will blame some other minority group and say Trump is still fighting for them.
missleavenworth@reddit
They may have to. Banks are requiring much higher credit scores for home equity loans and credit cards with higher limits.
Electrical-Concert17@reddit
What makes you think our consumer demand would go down? We’ll still need the things with tariffs we’ll simply have to more for them.
Cushmanite@reddit
He’s just postering. Not sayin the dude might not do something, but for now it’s just postering. Threats.
baardvark@reddit
Posturing.
Gygax_the_Goat@reddit
Pasteurised, i think
missprincesscarolyn@reddit
Over RFK Jr.’s dead body!
westonriebe@reddit
Its just economic saber rattling… if he actually does it then worry but its still very unlikely in north america… china, maybe but that could push them into a corner so i dont think thats viable either… expect some tariffs on specific commodities… especially pharmaceuticals in china…
Monster_Voice@reddit
Yeah! Show those Snow Mexicans who's boss! Every single year they deploy their extremely hostile cobra chickens on the US just to crap on all of our sweet sweet fredom
What the hell are we even importing from Canada other than cold fronts, maple syrup, and oil?
Ugh... this is all sarcasm btw. He's such an idiot 🙄
I still just can't believe we elected a festering jack-o-lantern instead of literally anyone else...
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
There are three possibilities here.
Trump enacts the tariffs as he said he would and tanks the US and global economy.
Trump exaggerated about the tariffs, and will enact some protectionist policies that have mixed results, though mostly negative, on the US and global economy.
Trump lied through his teeth, never enacts tariffs, and things go on as they have economically.
My money is on the second two
Mackadelik@reddit
Create a crisis. Avoid said crisis. The claim to be country’s savior. Rinse and repeat in second term.
alternativepuffin@reddit
And the money in the briefcase was Iceberg's money the whole time
nixstyx@reddit
You're probably right. He's a huge bullshitter and will say things just to hear them out loud. But the thing is, he's such a wildcard that you can never really know.
Rev-Dr-Slimeass@reddit
Oh for sure. I think there is a distinct possibility he wasn't bullshitting.
Bassman602@reddit
Fuck Russia
WizardofWood@reddit
Going to have to put down the Poutine for a few years eh. Sorry boys I’ve gotta save my loonies for darts and two fours.
LOLunlucky@reddit
So we're at 70% taxes on Chinese stuff now?
MichaelMidnight@reddit
wait so china's tariff is 35%?
11systems11@reddit
This news is pretty old
AdditionalAd9794@reddit
It would be nice if he could put a tarriff on all the Chinese fentanyl coming from mexico
Weary_Warrior@reddit
But…but…the eggs! I’ve been waiting to say that. So many promises for that first day.