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Solid-State Batteries Will Transform EVs. Honda Starts Making Them in January A new demo line will let Honda test both design and production of its next-gen batteries, which are significantly more energy-dense than current units.

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caterham09@reddit

If Honda actually pulls this off, it would be a massive upgrade to the entire EV market. I don't think it can be understated just how big this would be
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sc0lm00@reddit

What happens to the current EV market once these are adopted? Wouldn't resale values tank , replacement battery costs skyrocket for both the new and old style, and existing inventory of the old style battery EVs be a hard sell? There will always be somewhat of a market I guess but it seems like if you wanted an EV you'd also want the best battery tech too. I think the government should have waited on the EV push for this technology to bloom. I hope it's successful but worried how it will impact the current market.
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JustASneakyDude@reddit

Yes the current tech EVs will crash in value, we are in the first proper electric phase and so much is going to improve and can be improved that in 10-15 years it will become dinosaur technology.
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snoo-boop@reddit

I have a nearly 12 year old EV, and it's not a dinosaur.
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JustASneakyDude@reddit

Yet.
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stav_and_nick@reddit

Idk, I see it the opposite; hybrid batteries are fairly cheap to replace. In places where rust doesn’t kill cars, I can easily see the math working out where you can swap a more modern, powerful battery into a chassis. Sort of like swapping a modern engine and transmission into an older car
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terroristteddy@reddit

I wonder what the implications are of retrofitting a superior battery to a hybrid drivetrain. Theoretically, it could use electric drive and regen for a greater duration of time. But how much does an increase in capacity translate to fuel economy? And will they need to be re-programmed to utilize the increased capacity efficiently? Who knows!
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Hunt3rj2@reddit

People already do this on Priuses. The rest of the hybrid system simply gets lied to for some things. But the net effect is the rest of the car just sees a battery that has unusually good battery life. You will see an improvement in fuel economy in some situations but something like highway 75 mph fuel economy will not.
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TempleSquare@reddit

People have been putting in aftermarket replacement lithium ion batteries into their Priuses that originally had nickel metal hydride. I think they find it actually helps their fuel economy a little bit.
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xlb250@reddit

Hybrid batteries are 1 kWh
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cabs84@reddit

yeah, and the replacement visor for my FRS, manufacturing costs probably about $4, cost _me_ $90
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simon2517@reddit

That would imply a typical EV battery would cost $200k, ie much more than a car.
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xlb250@reddit

Only $30k for an EV6 battery
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Lamborghini4616@reddit

"only"
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sc0lm00@reddit

I feel like most platforms are fairly proprietary as far as battery design and mounting goes. I don't know a ton on the subject but it seems like some sort of semi universal design would benefit everyone but that's probably asking a lot given all the carried use cases. I do hope you're right though and there is a way to upcycle to the new style.
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MJOLNIRdragoon@reddit

Yeah, im not aware of a lot of cross compatibility between EV platforms, so upgrades would probably be highly platform dependent, but a 50% increase in energy density means you probably wouldn't have to give up capacity to make it work.
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beamdriver@reddit

EVs already have a massive depreciation curve. A better battery technology will just accelerate that. That's why anyone who wants an EV today should either buy used or lease one.
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Shawnj2@reddit

This is true for ICE cars too
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Lordofwar13799731@reddit

>That's why anyone who wants an EV today should either buy used or lease one. 100% this. bought mine for 32k used with only 26k miles on it a couple years back which was a stupid good deal performance and creature comfort per dollar wise. Now they're even cheaper like 29k with those miles. I drive around 30k miles a year so it'd be pretty stupid to buy new for an extra ~$15k haha.
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cabs84@reddit

or buy if you want to hang onto the vehicle for a long time. i'm at 5.5yrs with my e-tron and it's probably lost 60% of its value but i bought it to drive it, not for what it might be worth when i do eventually sell it
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MaraudingWalrus@reddit

What happens is that current/past gen EVs get way cheaper. And what happens after that is that you and I buy Taycan Turbos for peanuts.
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mbn8807@reddit

The batteries could be repurposed for the grid and solar storage.
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italia06823834@reddit

I like the way you think.
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DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit

>you and I buy Taycan Turbos for peanuts. I'll take a [Taycan GTS Sport Turismo](https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/2025-porsche-taycan-gts-sport-turismo-103-673caa2050803.jpg?crop=0.705xw:0.529xh;0.0689xw,0.281xh&resize=1200:*), thank you very much.
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OreeOh@reddit

One for me, one for the dog please
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MaraudingWalrus@reddit

Yeah, the GTS sport turismos are cool as hell. Really any turismo, I don't care much if it's cross or sport, though the sport is admittedly a bit cooler!
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DodgerBlueRobert1@reddit

One of the best looking cars made today imo. It's drop dead gorgeous.
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sc0lm00@reddit

Sounds like a plan tbh.
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Lordofwar13799731@reddit

I'm assuming you'd just use your current car until the battery dies or you feel like replacing it and seeing if there's a way to swap the newer batteries in when you swap. That's what I'd try for at least.
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RiftHunter4@reddit

Current EV's will depreciate rapidly (more than they already do) and you'll be able to find cheaper Lithium replacements for a while as companies empty stock. Solid state will become the norm. Some folks will convert to solid state batteries, but I imagine most won't. The real impact is that all a LOT of current EV's will be considered trash. Some are already seeing a decline since everyone is rallying around the Tesla Plug.
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cabs84@reddit

> The real impact is that all a LOT of current EV's will be considered trash. nah. current/modern EVs are still very useable day-to-day and will remain that way. >Some are already seeing a decline since everyone is rallying around the Tesla Plug. most manufacturers have or are going to send existing owners the NACS to CCS adapters. it's not that big of a deal.
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cabs84@reddit

NMC and LFP aren't going anywhere, anytime soon. cell costs keep dropping. it's going to take many, many years to scale up production of the new tech.
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doch92@reddit

Then it's my time to shine and I can finally get my hands on an EV
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TSLAog@reddit

Why on earth would EV replacement batteries rise in cost? Lithium batteries have only gone down in price. And older NMIH battery costs have only dropped (being an older technology) there’s really no reason it would ever go up.
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sc0lm00@reddit

Just a thought that tooling and manufacturing costs with lower demand might cause a price increase after most manufacturing moves to the new style. Could be wrong just the thought.
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rconn1469@reddit

The EV push is what allows technology like this to bloom. Create a bigger market with stronger demand and more competition, and it incentivizes expedited advancement. It’s a bit of a chicken/egg scenario. Government does it all the time to spur faster development.
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Car-face@reddit

> What happens to the current EV market once these are adopted? What happened when fuel injection came along? Similar thing. These aren't going to make cars fly, but they're a QoL step change - but potential will take time to be fully realised, and there's *lot* of development going back decades to bring these to market that will need to be recouped. When they're productionised in the next few years, they won't be cheap.
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Recoil42@reddit

Nothing. These don't skyrocket to 10M car-per-day production levels on year one. They'll take years to ramp up, and will be only on expensive cars first. It'll take years for this to impact the market, and it will so so gradually.
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Unlucky_Reception_30@reddit

What happened to all the crank start cars once electric starters became standard? What happened to all the carbeurated cars once EFI was introduced? How about the flat head V8s?
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6BigAl9@reddit

I get what you're saying but I feel like that's a bad example because all of those things have character, and it's an experience to use them. I think very few people are going to be nostalgic about long charge times, mediocre range, and boring driving dynamics outside of acceleration on current performance EV's. A better comparison would be tech. I don't know many people who buy phones and computers that are more than a few years old.
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Unlucky_Reception_30@reddit

Character and an experience to use them lmao And idk, my wife and I took a trip in a Tesla and it was nice for us to be forced to pull off and grab food and explore an area. Would we want to do that again? Nah. But it made for some very cherished memories. As for your last point, people buy vintage electronics all the time, it's the reason the N64 and GameCube have gone up in value.
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6BigAl9@reddit

Retro games are legitimately fun though. Graphics aren't everything in a game just like acceleration isn't everything in a car. I just don't see a classic EV market like you have with a classic ICE market. Sure the low rate production pioneers like the Tesla Roadster will appreciate like any other rare well known automobile but as long as technology keeps advancing in the EV space the older EVs are going to depreciate like any other tech appliance.
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Weak-Specific-6599@reddit

This is true for the vast majority of all cars, not just EVs. 99.9% of all cars are pure appliances. 
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berbsy1016@reddit

What happened to the cars with only lap belts once the three point harness became standard? Or airbags? They take hits in value, they get auctioned off to other countries, some people hang onto them for years and specialty auto shops will open up, they roam around freely outside of their pens all over the island, life... it, uh... finds a way.
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DogsOnMainstreetHowl@reddit

Resale value on EVs is already painfully low. I doubt this would affect the market much once all the players adopt the tech. There’s a lot on the table for being first to market though.
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billythygoat@reddit

Keep in mind these will be expensive models for a while most likely too.
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PSfreak10001@reddit

This technology wouldn't have seen the massive investments if the government hadn't start pushing for EV's a few years ago. You have to start somewhere
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sprucay@reddit

>   think the government should have waited on the EV push for this technology to bloom That's not how technology development works though. 
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June1994@reddit

They’re not going to be first to market and the energy density is something like 260-300 per kg.
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an_actual_lawyer@reddit (OP)

>50% less weight in the battery packs while still getting decent range. Cutting battery weight in half would get us to the point where a lighter EV drivetrain could rival the weight of an ICE drivetrain. That makes drivers' cars a possibility again.
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probsdriving@reddit

Insane garage.
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acog@reddit

I love my EV for daily driving but I wouldn’t trade in my Miata for electric even if it was the same weight with twice the power. The engine and manual transmission are a big part of the character of the car. Now if they added a small light solid state battery pack that gave me +40HP, I’d absolutely trade in my ND.
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wtrmlnjuc@reddit

Don’t see why the couldn’t pair a less powerful, more efficient motor with a real gearbox. Any loss in efficiency from rowing gears wouldn’t matter with enough fun and range.
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LouBerryManCakes@reddit

How about an electric turbo? Increased torque across the rev range without the pesky parasitic power loss of a supercharger or the exhaust restriction of a turbo.
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animealt46@reddit

Model 3 is already very reasonable in terms of weight.
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the_joy_of_VI@reddit

But what if it were even more reasonable? Think of the tires you’d save
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taticalgoose@reddit

Combine weight savings with tech like the fake engine noise and power curve of an ICE engine in an Ioniq 5 N and maybe I'd agree but simply cutting the weight won't do it IMO. Sound is such a large contributor to the experience that simply removing it will always leave me wanting for more.
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Ok-Response-839@reddit

The solid state batteries that have been produced so far are more like 15% more energy dense than existing Li-ion batteries. The more dense "thin film" kind will likely never be mass produced, as they are challenging to manufacture and have low power output relative to their mass. The thermal safety is an important aspect though. Solid state batteries have the potential to reverse the reputation that BEVs have for catching fire.
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gumol@reddit

energy density is not about weight, but volume
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BipedalWurm@reddit

and mass
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gumol@reddit

no. It's energy capacity divided by volume.
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masterventris@reddit

You are right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_density >energy density is the quotient between the amount of energy stored in a given system or contained in a given region of space and the volume of the system or region considered....It is sometimes confused with stored energy per unit mass, which is called specific energy or gravimetric energy density.
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caterham09@reddit

Fair enough, but even 15% is huge in engineering terms. Especially with people's concerns about EV range
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Independent-Band8412@reddit

That would lead to single digit differences in vehicle weight. Nothing a regular consumer would notice 
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animealt46@reddit

They will be produced. Dense batteries are of huge importance to portable electronics as well as cars so there will always be someone wanting an edge.
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UsernameAvaylable@reddit

> Solid state batteries are around 50% more energy dense than lithium batteries. They CAN potentially be 50% more energy dense, but its very likely that the first generation solid state batteries will be on par or even slightly worse than the highly optimzed current cells. There will not be a magic "jump".
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yellowflexyflyer@reddit

That would actually be 1/3 less weight 😀
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Navi_Professor@reddit

if its a step forward towards a gas tank sized pack with 300mi of range....i'm all for it.
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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

Also solid state batteries are a lot cleaner to produce. So we’d finally be able to say that EV’s are environmentally friendly and not be lying
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animealt46@reddit

It was never a lie.
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AmNoSuperSand52@reddit

Maybe if your EV has lithium-free batteries and is powered exclusively by a solar grid
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animealt46@reddit

Utter nonsense. [Here is a comprehensive article and you can skip to the section about environmental impact](https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/11/heres-how-to-survive-your-relatives-ignorant-anti-ev-rant-this-thanksgiving/). It's not that long and the evidence is not controversial.
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stav_and_nick@reddit

I don't believe so; iirc most of the emissions in creating any battery are energy, since it's a very energy intensive process. Since most will be made in China, Korea, or Japan, which have pretty dirty grids (although they're getting better) it won't be that much different than nowadays Besides, EVs recover the difference pretty quickly in terms of use
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a_modal_citizen@reddit

Are they more durable than lithium batteries? One of the biggest issues with lithium batteries is that they degrade so much over time.
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6158675309@reddit

This sentiment seems pretty overblown. I am not sure what you mean by “so much” but Recurrent and others that have tested batteries have found they degrade about 5-10% over the first 50,000-100,000 miles and pretty much don’t degrade much from there. https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/lessons-in-electric-car-battery-health https://www.recurrentauto.com/research/how-long-do-ev-batteries-last There was another study posted to r/electricvehicles today that pretty much was in line with the recurrent studies, it showed less degradation over time than recurrent. It seems it’s not a problem that needs to be solved with solid state batteries. Those are better in other ways though.
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RepublicComplete1776@reddit

People here think they’re just stacking phone batteries in cars.
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faizimam@reddit

Fundementally carmakers literally are. The reasons why car battery lasts longer than a phone: -car batteries are almost never drained to zero, and when it happens they are charged back up soon after. Phones regularly are used to zero and are more regularly stored empty. -cars idle consumption is on the level of a few percent per percent per week, sometimes per month. Whaeas phones drain at a percent or two per hour even if you don't touch it which exacerbates the first difference. - phones are usually charged to full and have small buffers, cars usually are not left at full and also have more buffer. -Lastly car batteries have advanced active cooling and heating, keeping them in good condition at all times.
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RepublicComplete1776@reddit

Oh so you’re saying they’re not just stacking phone batteries?
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slippytoadstada@reddit

No, they're saying they are stacking phone batteries, but also that cars are better environments for phone batteries to be in.
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RepublicComplete1776@reddit

So you’re saying they’re not just stacking phone batteries? There’s a whole better environment for them too? And I disagree that they’re smartphone batteries. The Tesla 4680 is made for cars and has newer technology. Saying they’re smartphone batteries would be like saying cruise ships have TDI engines.
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faizimam@reddit

"smartphone battery" isn't an insult, each use has its own specific characteristics, but in fact the newest batteries in iPhones, Samsung or others absolutely draw from automotive tech. Recall that lg, Panasonic, CATL that supply tesla also supply all major cellphones too.
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RepublicComplete1776@reddit

No but what I’m saying is that it’s a bit more involved than just chucking the battery from your iPhone 16 that will be at 80% in two years time.
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PerryTheRacistPanda@reddit

50% more energy dense means 33% less weight for the same charge.
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desirox@reddit

How much will a first gen Nissan leaf be worth once this new tech is out…they may have to give them away lol
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animealt46@reddit

Leaf salvage values are always high because big batteries and a strong motor are useful for tons of projects. They'll have a surprisingly high floor. (they'll reach the floor immediately though lol).
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JayBee58484@reddit

Hopefully that means we can finally start getting som nice EV sports coupes
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boe_jackson_bikes@reddit

Yes please. I just want EVs with 400 miles of REAL WORLD range. Current generation EVs are great city cars but we can’t even leave our state without recharging.
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moonRekt@reddit

Incoming all the comments about do you ever pee or safety of driving a couple hundred miles and who road trips all the time…. A huge swath of the population of Denver are skiers/snowboarders, now driving a 260 mile round trip to the mountains in 15 degree weather isn’t feasible without the longest range EVs or driving slow/little heat, but normal people dont exist to the EV pusher narrative
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mulletstation@reddit

> A huge swath of the population of Denver are skiers/snowboarders, now driving a 260 mile round trip to the mountains in 15 degree weather isn’t feasible without the longest range EVs or driving slow/little heat, but normal people dont exist to the EV pusher narrative. We have chargers but you hit a point with EVs that speed actually costs you time when you factor in charging, that’s whack Yes, Carmakers should be targeting the Skiing population of Denver as 'normal people' narrative. You know, the ones that can afford $500 skis, $300 bindings, $300 boots, a $1500 lift pass, and $50 burgers.
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boe_jackson_bikes@reddit

Who else do you think is buying $60,000+ EVs? People making minimum wage? I’ve never seen a poor person in a Rivian or a Model S.
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mulletstation@reddit

I've seen plenty of middle income "normal people" in Bolts, 3s, Ys, leafs, ID4, Ariyas, etc
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boe_jackson_bikes@reddit

With the exception of the Leaf and Bolt - which have excruciatingly low range, those are $40,000-60,000 cars to get 280-320 miles of range. If it weren’t for federal and state lease incentives, most “normal people” wouldn’t be driving them. In a non-incentivized market, those are $1,000 a month payments on a 60 month loan. I’ll wait until something like a Model 3 or Model Y start at $35,000, like they were supposed to.
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mulletstation@reddit

Uh what? The Y was never advertised as being $35k Your $1000/mo can't even be reached by the highest trims of the 3 and Y The average new car price in 2024 at transaction is $48k A $37k model 3 is very much in reach, so is a $42k Y
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boe_jackson_bikes@reddit

Are you using Tesla’s calculator? Because it’s heavily flawed and biased toward “gas savings” and state incentives. A Model 3 LR has a cash price of $43,000, plus taxes tag and title you’re looking at $47,000 out the door in most places. That’s $900+ a month at around 6% interest rate PLUS $200-400 a month on insurance. That’s $72,000 over the life of a 5 year loan if I’m being generous.
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mulletstation@reddit

Why are you now including insurance cost in the price of the car? but then not including the gas savings cost, which is by far the largest expenditure outside of the purchase cost of the car, not applying the federal EV credit, and not applying state incentives? Like you're ignoring actual costs in order to generate a maximum 'theoretical' cost which is nowhere close to reality? It also doesn't address that the average new transaction price of a car sold in 2024 is $48k, so apparently the average person can easily afford a $48k dual motor Y with no incentives.
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boe_jackson_bikes@reddit

Because gasoline/charging cost is highly individualized? Specially if you use or don’t use superchargers.
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TypicalDelay@reddit

Those people will only buy Subarus until the day they die no matter how much money they have.
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boe_jackson_bikes@reddit

Yep. We just drove down to Santa Fe/Taos and charging would have added 2 hours to our trip.
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moonRekt@reddit

We took my little Audi to CoS and Cripple Creek because similarly, charging would be hell. I just can’t think of any big cities where people don’t all have their own destinations a couple hours away from the city
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metakepone@reddit

And of course you're getting downvoted
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Gyat_Rizzler69@reddit

How dehydrated are you that you can drive 400 miles without having to stop to pee? Road trips really aren't an issue if charging infrastructure exists. I drive about 150-200 miles, plug the car in while I go pee and when I come back I have enough charge to go another 150-200 miles.
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mihametl@reddit

If you pee for 20 minutes that's a whole other problem
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Gyat_Rizzler69@reddit

Takes about 10 minutes to walk from my car to the bathroom, sometimes have to wait in line. Maybe grab a snack or water and then hop back in. In those 10-15 minutes my car will have enough charge to do at least 100 miles again. If I'm going on a 400 mile trip, it's likely I'll have to stop for an actual meal so the car will charge for 30-45 mins while I sit down and eat and when I come back it's fully charged. Range really isn't an issue IF charging infrastructure exists. If it doesn't exist in your area or where you want to go, an EV isnt the choice for you. With the Tesla supercharging network I have yet to have an issue finding a place to charge or worry about range.
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lee1026@reddit

If it takes you 10 minutes to walk to the bathroom, talk to a doctor.
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Gyat_Rizzler69@reddit

Go time how long it takes to walk from the back of a gas station parking lot to the bathroom inside a gas station you have never been to. You will find it takes 10 mins on average total to get to the bathroom, use it and wash your hands, and return to the car. No shit it takes like 30 seconds to pee but you are neglecting the time it takes to actually walk places unless you are on 10 all the time running everywhere. 6 min charge: https://imgur.com/a/nQteNl6
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boe_jackson_bikes@reddit

It takes you 40 minutes to piss? Our ID.4 barely gains 150 miles in that time. That’s given that the weather outside isn’t at or close to freezing.
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Gyat_Rizzler69@reddit

News flash: not every EV has a pathetic charging curve like your ID4. I drive till my battery is at 10-20% and then charge which lets my car charge at 150-250kw up to 50%. That means I can get 150+ miles of charge in close to 15 mins.
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boe_jackson_bikes@reddit

Lmao. I don’t understand that it is with you EV people arguing with others who want EVs with better range, as if it wouldn’t benefit you and everyone else. Chill out.
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Gyat_Rizzler69@reddit

Solid state packs are vaporware and Japanese automakers have been peddling it as an excuse for not having an EV strategy and this subreddit falls for it every time.
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MajesticBread9147@reddit

Also in 400 miles I could've crossed through like 8 states.
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mulletstation@reddit

This dude drives 400 miles a day apparently.
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boe_jackson_bikes@reddit

No, but I do frequently drive anywhere between 4-16 hours through the Rockies or the Southwest. It’s called having outdoor hobbies. I can fill up our SUV in any town in America in under 5 minutes.
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mulletstation@reddit

"It's called having outdoor hobbies"
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boe_jackson_bikes@reddit

Yep
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neonKow@reddit

Unless you're in Texas, you can leave and come back home from most states without recharging.
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mrwoolery@reddit

I see an opportunity for battery retrofitter companies making upgrade packages to keep older EV's on the road and even improve them.
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probsdriving@reddit

Why is nobody talking about how fucking sick this [wide body Accord looks?](https://www.thedrive.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/IMG_7072.jpg) Accord GTD vibes. I rock with this so hard.
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anarchy_pizza@reddit

Wow this is beautiful! I was thinking about an Audi RS7 but this with battery power might mop the floor w the Audi.
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kenedtsu@reddit

No, Im right with you there. When they had the 0 Series press even a few weeks ago my first thought was..."I mean I'll ALSO take a wide body accord with Type S wheels too"
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akdetroit@reddit

If they did an Si or Si-R of that it would be sick as hell.
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probsdriving@reddit

AWD Accord Type R
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sgnfngnthng@reddit

Awd accord type r shooting break?
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LouBerryManCakes@reddit

Black edition
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ca2mt@reddit

Superleggera
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Understanding-Fair@reddit

The Honda s8
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2Drogdar2Furious@reddit

I'm honestly more interested in battery lifespan/longevity and charging time than I am out right range. What I mean is I'd like a battery with little degradation over 10-15 years and I'd like to be able to pull in and charge under 10 minutes (ie as close as we can get to how long it takes to fill up a fuel tank).
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frsguy@reddit

Fuck these evs and countries pushing them so hard, we should have easied the way with hybrids but everyone hopped instead of skipped
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MaraudingWalrus@reddit

Yeah we hopped too far, that's why there are no hybrids on sale anywhere and why in some locales you actually get summarily executed for driving a hybrid.
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Bovine_Joni_Himself@reddit

It's true. I was killed by Pete Buttplug because I got a Prius instead of a Tesla.
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Joatboy@reddit

Glad you got better
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frsguy@reddit

Nice job blowing the context out of the water.
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SlimJesusKeepIt100@reddit

Facts I ain't with these garbage EVs if it ain't running on dinosaurs I'm not interested
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tatsumakisenpuukyaku@reddit

Auto manufacturers are currently building plug-in hybrids, just like you asked.
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frsguy@reddit

If I was going for a plug in I'd just go full ev. The reason why I would love a non plug in hybrid and I feel many in my scenario is that I love at a apartment and can't plug in. No I'm not driving to the mall to charge my car, that shits a dumb suggestion.
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RollTh3Maps@reddit

Man, it's too bad there aren't any non-plug-in hybrids at all anywhere.
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frsguy@reddit

Yeah it's a shame that they never got the same attention as evs or was pushed as hard. In fact I don't think non plug in hybrids get a tax credit
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tatsumakisenpuukyaku@reddit

>Yeah it's a shame that they never got the same attention as evs or was pushed as hard MattDamonAging.gif
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RollTh3Maps@reddit

They're all over the place, I was being sarcastic. They also used to get tax credits but don't any longer since their prices have basically fallen in line with their all-ICE counterparts.
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Ok-Response-839@reddit

Hybrids have been mass produced for 25 years so far. How much longer do you want to ease into BEVs?
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frsguy@reddit

Long enough to get the same tax credits that evs get. Also those 20 years prior I couldn't afford a car nor a new hybrid back then.
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Type43TARDIS@reddit

Didn't Toyota say they were already doing solid state batteries soon as well?
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Joatboy@reddit

Yeah, since 2009....
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proscriptus@reddit

I was kind of into battery power stations for a while, and LifePo has really made lithium-ion obsolete, and the market for used ones has crashed. Solid state is a bigger upgrade than that is
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nurseyu@reddit

It'll probably be sabotaged by Elon for a while for Tesla to catch up. Once released, it'll be priced at a premium like old hybrids. And then another 20 years before it becomes available to the masses.
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MilkyWaySamurai@reddit

Fuck me, that’s a sexy looking car!
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stav_and_nick@reddit

Solid State batteries are finally here soon; but I would caution people against waiting for the 2028 Honda E-ccord with them in it. These things are still going to be very expensive for awhile, and with semi-solid state batteries we're only seeing them in, if not exotics, then cars in the \~$100,000 USD range Not to be all "how much RAM could you need", but I think the market will evolve something like this: Bottom 20% of the market: Sodium batteries 80% of the market: LFP of some form Top 20%: Solid State batteries It's just for most people, the energy density and charging speed and safety for LFP will be good enough at a good enough price
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fuckmysadlife_69@reddit

Solid-state batteries should also make Hybrid Cars lighter and more efficient. I think (imho) Toyota and Honda should prioritize implementing SSB tech towards their Hybrid offerings. 
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animealt46@reddit

Hybrid cars are already light enough. Toyota doesn't use the lightest tech they have in their hybrids since there's no need.
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terrytek@reddit

well i think hybrid sports cars can be more common since you can make them lighter and more fun to drive while still being efficient when ur not driving the nuts off of it. I would love a fun to drive sports sedan (or wagon/hatch) that doesn’t have to carry a lot of mass on backroads but can still return 40+MPG combined for mundane drives.
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Cocasaurus@reddit

This could be a huge win for PHEVs. Same packaging, theoretically twice the EV range. So 100+ miles EV only would be enticing. Gas engine for when you need more. It could also be a pretty good selling point on regular hybrids. 10-20 miles of EV range could get a few suburbanites to work and back easily.
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Slideways@reddit

That's 120% of the market.
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Rattle_Can@reddit

this guy counted the ballots for putin back in 2010s
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Drzhivago138@reddit

Of course, how else can you expect growth if you're only hitting 100%?
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Slideways@reddit

Sounds like somebody's got an MBA.
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te_anau@reddit

Exactly 
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stav_and_nick@reddit

Math is hard : (
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SlimJesusKeepIt100@reddit

Yawn Boringggg only solid states I'm interested are for PCs
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CortaCircuit@reddit

Hopefully a thousand miles per charge soon and a decrease in weight.
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yankee_chef@reddit

Elon is toast
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sgnfngnthng@reddit

“Cash for EV clunkers”
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LeonMust@reddit

I'll believe it when I see it.
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Boundish91@reddit

Any day now. Any day. It's like waiting for a fusion reactor.
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VitoXzX@reddit

Very interesting stuff, but how is nobody talking about how beautiful this car is? Is this some kind of trim for the Accord?
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animealt46@reddit

It's not an Accord. It's the Honda e sedan with an Accord shaped body slapped on top to hide the real styling.
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Oh_ffs_seriously@reddit

I've seen the concept car. Can they stay on the safe side and hide it until, let's say, 2035?
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OpenlyBiCoastal@reddit

God damn what wonders wider flares and aggressive front end does for the looks of the usually boring Honda Accord! That prototype looks great as is.
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obeytheturtles@reddit

EV battery density is already cooling limited, especially in terms of charging speed. It doesn't matter if the battery can technically take larger input loads, the more power you dump into it, the more cooling overhead you need in the assembly. Unless you are planning to offload pack cooling onto the charger, but there is nothing like that in the works as far as I know. This is the same in terms of discharge as well - the higher the power density of the battery, the more difficult the cooling problem becomes - the total heat flux is the same, but it is in a smaller space, so there is just less physical surface area for removing it. I am still skeptical that solid state batteries will ever be cost effective for EVs tbh. The higher density with higher cooling overhead will only shrink packs a small amount, for a huge additional cost. Solid state batteries will revolutionize consumer portables and low power applications, and likely industrial-grade high power applications where cost sensitivity is not the same limiting factor.
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Heidenreich12@reddit

Vaporware
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ymjcmfvaeykwxscaai@reddit

Frankly IDK who's buying a lucid today and saying the battery tech isn't sufficient. It's the cheap EVS that have the unusable range and charging/longevity concerns.
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