Dummy Russian ICBM warheads hitting targets in Ukraine

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yourloveTrump@reddit

It's also reported to be a Russian Hypersonic missile. Not an ICBM

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wae7792yo@reddit

It can still carry nukes, which is really all that matters

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yourloveTrump@reddit

Absolutely true. I really hope I'm wrong, but I think Putin really is willing to take it as far as it needs to go for him to achieve whatever his goals are.

Especially if Russia is collapsing. Once again, I hope I'm wrong

Or you mean the Soviet bases in Cuba?

What base in the Ukraine?

International Center for Peacemaking and Security at

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yavoriv_military_base

The one on the OTHER side of Ukraine?

Which wasn't founded until AFTER Russia invaded Crimea.

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halcyon4ever@reddit

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/115204.htm

Myth:

NATO promised Russia it would not enlarge after the Cold War

FACT

The myth that there was a promise by Western leaders not to allow new members to join has been circulating for many years, and is actively used in disinformation campaigns by the Kremlin since the start of the Russian war against Ukraine.

While records show that in the initial stages of discussions about German reunification, US Secretary of State James Baker and his West German counterpart, Hans-Dietrich Genscher, floated such an idea with each other and with Soviet leaders in 1990, but diplomatic negotiations quickly moved on and the idea was dropped.

NATO’s founding treaty – signed in 1949 by the 12 original members and by every country that has joined since – includes a clear provision that opens NATO’s door to “any other European state in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area.” This has never changed. No treaty signed by NATO Allies and Russia ever included provisions that NATO cannot take on new members. Decisions on NATO membership are taken by consensus among all Allies.

Describing NATO’s open door policy as “expansion” is already part of the myth. NATO did not seek out new members or aim to “expand eastward.” NATO respects every nation’s right to choose its own path. NATO membership is a decision first for those countries that wish to join. It is then for NATO Allies to consider the application.

Again, what "agreement" that's been a Russian propaganda piece to justfy the whole war.

Speaking of unhinged.

Lindsey Graham got on TV threatening all of our allies with destroying their economies. If they arrest a man and send him to trial.

You put too much faith in our politicians. Also the USA loves Nazis. We allow them to organize and march freely over here.

Could you imagine if we had a leader that threw people out of windows because they swindled the people, or were affiliated with global pedophile rings, and drug trade?

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diedlikeCambyses@reddit

With respect, yes Ukraine does. But, most of the Ukrainian people who wanted to fight already have or are. The rest of the population is not quite so keen. We have a group of soldiers suffering with not enough rotations and not enough new recruits being trained. Zelensky feels he can not force mobilisation because he knows the mood of the people. We have people being forced to the frontlines, their moral is low and affects the morale of the troops there.

They just had their infrastructure smashed again before winter. Trump is in. Russia did not blink when they Scipio'd into Kursk, he enlisted nth Korea. The Russians are grinding them down in the east. I think Ukrainian resistance has been extremely heroic, but what do you want from them?

If they want to have a shit show in hell of beating Russia they need to mobilise their whole country or enlist mercenaries at scale. The first is not popular in Ukraine, the second is a bad idea. Their best way out was always to defend well and negotiate from a position of relative strength. The serious analysts have said from the beginning that Ukraine sould not fight a static attritional war against Russia. They were, it was not working. So they went into Kursk, and it is costing them in the east. Nth Korea has arrived and Russia is preparing these mid range ballistic strikes. They have plenty of men for the mest grinder.

What exactly do you want from Ukraine?

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No_Secretary136@reddit

Admission to NATO

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zuneza@reddit

What exactly do you want from Ukraine?

Idk why people are still scared of Russia this conflict has exposed how pathetic their military is.

May be because Ukraine is one of the most corrupt places on earth and all this started because Russia didnt want Nato nukes at the front door in addition to all the illegal bio-labs and drug smuggling. The whole war was just a money laundering operation between Dems and Ukraine for kickbacks.

All Russia wanted was assurances of safety, like we all want.

Im not a Russia sympathizer, but this has honestly been one of the biggest global conspiracies to defraud in a long time.

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MightAsWell6@reddit

You literally are a Russian stooge

Russia doesn't get to decide what other countries do.

If Russia wants safety all they have to do is fuck off back to Russia and stop invading people.

NATO is a defensive organization, so even if Ukraine was part of NATO, Russia has literally nothing to be afraid of unless their plan is, idk, to re-form the Soviet Union by force like Putin said he wants to.

Russia themselves could have been in NATO, but no they wanted to skip the process cause they're Russia. So they threw a temper tantrum like a fucking child.

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perpetualsnooze@reddit

I can see you’re loving the war hawk kool aid

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MightAsWell6@reddit

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purple_hamster66@reddit

Avoiding WWIII is a good goal, don’t you think? If Ukraine falls (or Trump just gives it to Russia), then Russia gets a bread basket (Ukraine is known for its southern location capable of growing vast crops), tons of natural resources (Rare Earth Minerals, for making batteries, uranium, etc) and another port on the Black Sea. It squeezes the EU from that energy-rich position. From there, it simply annexes the Stans, gaining even more uranium (nearly 50% of the world uranium is mined there) and then perhaps Turkey or Poland, at which point the EU is required to defend.

It’s the USSR all over again, but without nukes. Even Pakistan will be on the Allied side in that war.

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Revolutionary-Gear77@reddit

So we shit on our treaties and throw out the legally elected government only to start a war? That's how you avoid wwIII? Nice story, tell it to readers digest.

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purple_hamster66@reddit

Most of the big wars are about trade, not treaties. Hitler rose to power because Germany was poor from paying off WWI, and could not trade enough to regain their former “glory”. Most Middle East wars (9/11’s child wars, ISIS wars, Al-Queda wars), are about oil wealth distribution. Russia is about empire building, which is basically wealth accumulation. Palestine is about restricting the ability of the Palestinians to make money, and Iran sending weapons instead of building factories there.

Follow the money.

circuit_breaker@reddit

But how difficult would it be to be that kind of mass into orbit? That's what I always wondered

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FloRidinLawn@reddit

I feel like elons rockets could lift a couple at a time, or fused in space or something else. Maybe that was too difficult and it never happened.

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DumbNTough@reddit

More like dropping a penny from the top of the Empire State Building, except the penny is a telephone pole made of tungsten and the building height is low Earth orbit.

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PaJeppy@reddit

https://youtu.be/J_n1FZaKzF8?si=NWGD75TyjWB8vi4c

alcaron@reddit

It was also largely bullshit. A lot of wishful scientific thinking.

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YankeeClipper42@reddit

https://youtu.be/VTLYris4kJU?si=WWmoNFTFUeSaqE8w

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VitualShaolin@reddit

You will be having a rougher week in 2 months if things keep escalating.

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deadSINce_99@reddit

Lol the Rods from God don't even come close to comparing to the power of a nuke. Not even close.

MIRVs are generally believed to be able to hit targets about 1500 miles apart, so you can get pretty decent coverage with just one launch vehicle.

BabyGapTowing@reddit

Just watched a video on X of the impacts at a much closer vantage. It's definitely 6 groups of impacts.

"Oreshnik" is the name of the missile, apparently. I can't find any details about it.

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canal_boys@reddit

Putin just said that it can't be shot down with modern anti-missile tech so it must be hypersonic

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fanclubmoss@reddit

MIRVed icbms

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Similar_Apartment_26@reddit

Seeing sights I have never or wanted to see tbh

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UnidentifiedBlobject@reddit

Whenever I hear about these I remember this photo of the US Peacekeeper with multiple independent warheads. It’s a long exposure and so each line shows the path of one warhead that’d be an individual nuke. This is how an entire city can be wiped out not just one part of it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Peacekeeper-missile-testing.jpg

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DoktorSigma@reddit

The name rods from God exists for a reason.

Never saw one for real though, just knew about the concept. What a time to be alive!

Each entry was a separate MIRV, multiple independent return vehicles that could have each had nuclear warheads and individual targets.

It's all fun and games until the Russians do exactly what they said they'd do...again.

The west does not understand how serious Russia is about this. It's not a war of conquest. Putin is not like Hitler.

Most of the west seems to view Ukraine as some sort of gladiatorial contest. A war that's happening safely "over there" and supporting the popular side comes at no cost to themselves because they have no knowledge of anything before the start of the fight (Feb 2022) and there's no penalty for being wrong (in their experience).

We see this as a black-white fight between good and evil. It's not. Ukraine sucks too. They're not righteous champions of democracy, and Russia is no longer an evil empire bent on conquest. NATO is a real threat to Russia as far as Russia's concerned. Fighting in Ukraine is not a sport for them. It's a fight to repel NATO and is, to them, a fight to defend Russia. It's FOR REAL to your average Russian. It's Cuban-Missile-Crisis level resolve to them. It's a proxy war of harassment for us.

So, I think that demonstration of an IRBM with MIRVs in a warzone against real targets needs to be a wakeup call for western fair-weather cheerleaders. Are you really ready to see nuclear weapons, or even conventional weapons, fired atop accurate ballistic missiles to targets west of Russia? Is this really worth WW3 to you? Seriously? Are you that bored?

It would be one thing if Russia was trying to conquer new lands and grow an empire. But they're not. They're resisting NATO expansion. This is not worth millions and millions of deaths.

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Asneekyfatcat@reddit

You say all that but nothing is going to stop the war you're afraid of without a definitive solution to nuclear arms. If Russia was in an advantageous position they'd be expanding too, it's what nations do. Russia would be on USA's doorstep next century if NATO stopped pressuring and we'd be back to square one. There's no way for either side to deescalate. Russia made their move and NATO made there's. Nothing else to do or say, humanity was fucked the second we blew up Hiroshima. Nukes will be used again, the question isn't if, it's when. The only thing we can do is delay the inevitable until defensive technology catches up to ICBMs.

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pf_burner_acct@reddit

No, we just need to stop unnecessary provocation by expanding NATO. There's no reason to expand NATO for an 11th time.

I guarantee when the first nuke explodes, we'll be able to make a looking list of missed de-escalation opportunities.

Some eastern, predominantly Russian, regions Ukraine aren't worth world war three. They're just not. It would be one thing if Putin was trying to build an empire, but he not. He's trying to push the border West to NATO expansion stays "over there."

Nuclear weapons are why we've had peace, and are why the west will back down here. The genie is out of the bottle and nuclear weapons are scary, but MAD seems to work.

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TimeImminent@reddit

Putin claimed the war was about denazifying Ukraine and stopping a fake genocide in the East that didn’t exist. After NATO gave Ukraine support because they saw how Russia was treating them and that Ukraine is fighting back for its independence just like every other country had to, they understood it was the right thing to do and that’s when Putin started pulling the NATO card. The Cold War was a time when tensions were rising and threats were being made. NATO hasn’t been threatening anybody, Europe needed Russian oil and gas which is just about the only thing Russia produces. There was no existential crisis of Ukraine joining NATO anytime soon. This started in 2014 after Ukraine overthrew a Russian puppet and Russia got salty. NATO helps keep russias border secured and stabilized. Explain how NATO/Russia border is more stable and secure than the Belarus/Russia border, tells you everything you need to know. Belarus has to conduct a coup with shame elections to hold onto their power. Putin has to hold shame elections and detain political rivals like dogs and assassinations to hold onto power. NATO is clearly less of a threat to Russia then the Putin regime and oligarchs are to Russia. Everything NATO does is pretty much publicized, no interest in wars. NATO has had a dwindling military footprint as anyone with any credibility would know, NATO has been playing catch up since 2014 and they still have issues to iron out and we’re not taking defense seriously until once again they were threatened by the same country they were designed to defend against.

They are absolutely interested in conquest, just like NK and China and Iran. Putin has memoirs about conquering Soviet countries because somehow that would make Russia great. Look at Georgia and Moldova as well as others. NATO is not USA, NATO is a collective of countries who were required to work together for their safety, they have never been about conquering. Countries join NATO out of necessity for their safety, they want to join NATO. NATO countries deserve their right to exist and have an alliance and be self governed just as Ukraine deserves and as they fight for because that’s what Ukrainians believe in in their soul not because NATO told Ukraine to, Ukraine actually had to tell NATO to get their shit together. Understand the weight of that, Ukriane is %100 acting independently and they believe in themselves that’s how they fought back a super power for 3 grueling years. Now Putin has made 2 more countries join NATO who otherwise enjoyed their neutrality but realize that they can’t put their trust into russias hands or else they will be like Ukraine or Georgia, and with the unnecessary heinous threats from the RU leadership and state media against the west on a daily basis have single handily realigned NATO and is causing the rearming of NATO like you would have never seen into the future ever. As NATO holds itself back and does backflips like circus monkeys to try to have peace with Russia. So yes, the peace appeasement by NATO is not working anymore and luckily they are smart enough to realize that and are taking the threat seriously and hopefully will no longer be holding themselves back for people who never deserved the chances.

If Russia is so concerned about NATO why would they instigate an unnecessary war with them instead of making peace. RU has more than enough land on their own country to create a buffer zone from NATO if they are so inclined. They don’t need to invade countries and start a war to defend from NATO, the most clueless delusional view of the conflict you could possibly make. It’s taken Putin 3 years to get their story straight, to mutilate the war from a special operation against non existent Nazis and a non existent genocide into just being about NATO because of how delusional that excuse was. NATO is good for Russias border as a whole because they are stable countries which means they help stabilize the border and they have forces to help keep that border secure for both sides. Would Russia rather have terrorist on their border conducting attacks like at the theater, or mass asylum seekers they can’t sustain, obviously a sensible Russian would want a stable NATO border.

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pf_burner_acct@reddit

Neat dissertation.

Deeds, not words.

Talk is cheap. Look at what is actually happening. Words don't matter as much as actions.

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TimeImminent@reddit

What is actually happening? Russia invading multiple countries to force them into his ideology. While countries beg to join NATO for their safety? While an almost military less country has beaten back an alleged super power for 3 years? What exact cheap talk are you referring to.

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pf_burner_acct@reddit

2008 - NATO announces intent to integrate Georgia and Ukraine in front of Putin at the Bucharest summit. This pisses off Russia to no end. Putin is furious.

Russia communicates many times and quite clearly that such a move is unacceptable and will cause "instability" in the region. This goes on and on. Obama, trump, and Biden admins don't really do all that much to change course. NATO keeps pushing, Russia keeps warning.

Russia finally reacts to NATO in Georgia. Remember that? Womp womp.

We keep pressing NATO to the Russian border.

Trump softens a bit because he gets it, but doesn't abandon NATO ambitions. Trump is ousted and Putin knows he's getting an old-school establishment goon in Biden. Putin sees that Biden's handler(s) are going to pursue integration with gusto. The BCS is selling influence to Ukrainian interests, after all (10% for the Big Guy). The Ukrainian relation is a source of personal enrichment for the BCS. No way will they walk away from that cash cow.

Of the options Putin has, the one that guarantees Russian control of Crimea and a modest buffer region is to physically capture eastern Ukraine, hence the invasion and faux assault of Kiev, which split Ukrainian defense and allowed Putin to capture the eastern regions. There was no intent or desire to conquer all of Ukraine.

So now Putin has expended Wagner and killed their leader, which eliminated any serious Russian threat to Putin's leadership. He has captured the eastern regions. He has solidified his grip on Crimea.

So...

-NATO expansion into Georgia and Ukraine is rebuffed and halted. We will not fulfill our promise to integrate either of those nations into NATO. Russia maintains its wish to keep NATO "over there" and off their border.

-Russia has taken control of eastern Ukraine and cemented its hold on Crimea. We are going to inherit a dysfunctional catastrophe in what remains of Ukraine. If this war continues, Russia will annex up to 40% of Ukraine.

-Integration of what remains of Ukraine into western institutions will not be possible for many years, so they're just an expense and liability to us now.

-Russia has drifted closer to China.

Keep the faith, LOL

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DMcbaggins@reddit

Yes. Fucking bring it. The hubris of humanity must come to an end sometime.

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pf_burner_acct@reddit

Huh?

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m0nk3yg0dz@reddit

Bad bot

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WhyNotCollegeBoard@reddit

Are you sure about that? Because I am 99.99985% sure that pf_burner_acct is not a bot.

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pf_burner_acct@reddit

Good bot

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Essentially everyone.

The average western person has a higher standard of living than the richest king a century ago.

You can fly around the world for hundreds of dollars, and get food delivered to your face.

Famine and crime are near historic lows.

Essentially everything is better. We're just in a normal generational transitional period.

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Asneekyfatcat@reddit

Civilian and military deaths have been on the rise since 2001, that's 2 and a half decades of global escalation. I'll be honest, we're probably more fucked than most people realize. It's easy to throw around promising statistics, but when all that value overwhelmingly benefits a record breaking few elites, it might not paint the picture you want it to. The vast majority of people living today aren't more comfortable than 1920s Europeans, yet they still killed each other by the millions less than a century ago.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

How are we fucked.

This makes no sense.

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RadicalExtremo@reddit

iamslevemcdichael@reddit

If he wasn’t afraid to use nukes, he would’ve used them already

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yourloveTrump@reddit

Why do you think so. Why would you not exhaust every other option. Especially if the target borders your country.

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iamslevemcdichael@reddit

Exhaust every other option for what? For conquering a weak neighboring country in a war he started.

In this case, his invasion failed miserably. Russia, with its manpower and resources, should have outmatched Ukraine decisively. But their military inefficiencies and weakness were put on full display by failing to capture Kiev in “three days,” embarrassing Putin and putting his leadership into question. So many decisions he’s made since have demonstrated that he feels threatened. Using a nuclear option would’ve removed any perceived weakness and decisively won the war for Russia. If it was a realistic option for Putin to use nukes, he would’ve already done so. He’s not going to, which is why he and his government threaten to do it so fucking much - because all they have are the threats.

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wae7792yo@reddit

He started it, but he feels that NATO encroachment is a direct threat to Russia and that NATO countries provoked the escalation.

Especially now that attacks are starting to penetrate into Russia, he will use that as justification that Russia/himself faces increased existential risk and use of the nuclear option is warranted.

He's a meglomaniac and could be pushed over the edge if he feels threatened. In the end he cares about himself above all...

Odd coincidence. When everyone in the west who remembered what war was like we want to start again and nobody cares.

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italianpirate76@reddit

“IT lOokS lIke aRtiLlEry iN rEvErSe”

Know this is a couple days old but I just wanted to take one last chance to laugh at the idiots.

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ComprehensiveLet8238@reddit

It is unfortunate how some of us can see the inevitable suffering coming, while everyone else is still deluded

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Substantial_Art_1449@reddit

Most are laughing. It’s sad.

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wae7792yo@reddit

Not at all... everyone should be aware that nuclear armageddon is a real possibility.

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Instr-FTO@reddit

Like all the other delusional thoughts and social media garbage, people refuse to see the truth. Even if it's glaring at them.

There are no hail Mary's for this situation and for what's to come. I personally wish this was something to prep for, but it is an absolute reality, so we prepare. Sadly, the old saying, ignorance is bliss will also destroy everything.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

What situation... That Russia lacks a nuclear payload because of corruption?

This is nothing but to scare y'all.

What do you think will happen if Russia tried to launch a nuke... Everyone in Russia would die while they might hit one or two cities "somewhere".

Russia is a paper tiger and only has tactical nukes.

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Instr-FTO@reddit

Forgive me, but that's just fantasy island thinking. They have them and would use them.

Their nuclear doctrine is nothing like the west. And if you believe they wouldn't use them, that's suicidal thinking.

Additionally, don't let propaganda fool you about Russia. They are just a modified version of the former Soviet Union. Nd Putin was the former gead of the KGB. Their senior leadership want the same as him...don't be fooled by the man behind the curtain

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enkrypt3d@reddit

the last time they tested one was in 1992.... given the state of their military, i'd be stunned if they had one that is operational.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

No it isn't.

When was the last time they tested a nuke?

30+ years ago.

Their nuclear doctrine is bullshit. They changed it a few days ago and Ukraine fired the same day with no nuclear response... Because they don't have one and these are criminals who want bjs and yachts. Not suicide... Which is what using a nuke would be.

It costs the USA 50 billion a year to upkeep ours.

You're proving my point. The ussr was dogshit and they collapsed due to it.

Putin is just as incompetent and the reason for these threats is because he BELIEVED Russia was a strong military.

They have the second best military in Russia.

You're drinking the Russian propaganda.

They've literally been doing this for centuries.

They've never EVER in history had a strong military.

Go find me a battle or war they've won?

WW2 doesn't count because they started it with Germany and they lost 20 million soldiers.

Have you been there?

I have.

It's a joke of a country with slaves essentially. They're delusional.

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Land-Sealion-Tamer@reddit

Why does their last test being 30 years ago matter? (It's actually 34, to be exact.) The last US test was 32 years ago, do you assume our nukes don't work? No. It's foolish to believe their nukes don't work and willfully so.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

We use super computers, have tritium reactors and spend 50 billion a year just keeping our nukes ready.

They may have 1 operational reactor, are reliant on western sanctioned technology for any new missile builds.

It's also the only treaty Russia hides behind... Because if you can't test... Then people just assume the nukes work.

It's all a bluff. That's why they used old delivery systems to intimidate. They don't have anything real.

Plus, no one is invading Russia. Ukraine wants them out of Ukraine and they're done.

The ussr was worse than Germany in WW2.

Why does everyone want to take it in the butt from a moron pretending to be Peter the great.

His understanding of Russia's place in history is a product of their propaganda.

Look tough... Steal ideas and money

It's a laughable society who's infrastructure rivals America's in the 1940s.

Almost 50% of the country doesn't have indoor plumbing.

Not afraid of them.

I know Russians who regurgitate Kremlin propaganda nonstop.

Traditional values... Brics...nato

It's all bullshit and the calling card of losers.

Yet they won't go back... Wonder why..?

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Starwolf00@reddit

A significant portion of our own nuclear arsenal still runs on systems from the 70s and maybe the 80s. All of that shit is hardened and unhackable. Despite the age, those systems are capable of delivering an icmb to any point on earth. The Russians have supercomputers too. Their economy of scale is different and things are much cheaper in Russia in comparison to the US. The Russians may not have as much money as we do but they sure as hell have a lot of smart people to keep just enough of their nuclear arsenal maintained to kill everyone on the planet.

This was not a bluff, it was Russia reminding everyone that their ICBMs are fully functional.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

Launching a missile isn't new or hard. It's the payload that matters.

Russia doesn't have super computers to test their nukes. I don't think you understand what you're talking about.

You're talking about purchasing power parity.

Russia has to import chips etc. This is expensive as their currency has collapsed. Russia is bankrupt. That's why they can't build any of their latest tanks or aircraft.

They built 1 armata and it broke down during a parade. Their next gen fighter uses engines derived in the 80s. Nothing stealth about those...

The smart people who originally built these are dead and the majority of industrial base is located in... Ukraine.

That's right. Putin is invading to gain access to the Ukrainian economy and resources.

You realize that nukes require tritium and although they do have a reactor... The state of the arsenal is questionable at best.

He's not using a nuke, no one is afraid of him except people who don't know what's going on.

That rs 26 was meant to scare YOU. It worked.

The smart people left Russia long ago.

It's a mafia state with a gas station. They aren't nuking anyone. China wouldn't allow it and the west would kill Putin.

We always know where he and his are.

He isn't suicidal.

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tree_boom@reddit

You realize that nukes require tritium and although they do have a reactor... The state of the arsenal is questionable at best.

It's really not. They have plenty of Tritium from historic stockpile and production, not mentioning their production facilities. There's no reason to think Tritium replenishment is a problem for them...and if it was they would just build nukes that don't use them. It's an optional component.

You are correct that he won't use them, I agree with that wholeheartedly, but I've never seen a single reason to think they wouldn't work.

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Instr-FTO@reddit

Nukes. They don't have enough.

She never struck me as the sort to pull my chain, and from that chat she basically insinuated that the US does have some sort of weapon to context ICMBS that would target the United States. I can’t remember exactly how she said it, but the US has systems in place to protect the 50 United States from ICBM projectiles.

Take with a grain of salt and all that, but she gave me some faith that even if there is a huge war, Lady Liberty has battle tricks up her sleeve we barely even consider as plausible nowadays.

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iavael@reddit

Her answer was along the lines of “I can’t tell you what the government has purchased and not show the public, but I also cannot deny the first question. I can deny the second.”

She basically said, "I can not confirm nor deny your guesses about US military capabilities, but I can surely tell that government having what people may think is UFO-like (by breaking known laws of physics and way beyond human technical capabilities) is obviously bullshit".

She's legally obliged not to answer questions about what US can even relatively possibly have. She won't break that for an acquaintance. But she can safely deny what's impossible.

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TofuLordSeitan666@reddit

I know guy.

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LiteralAcceptance222@reddit

It is Reddit, and obviously people are gonna make shit up now and then.

The US has exoatmospheric kill vehicles that just got used in Israel when Iran fired all those missiles. But Iran’s ICBMs aren’t as advanced as Russia’s.

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therapistofcats@reddit

Iran doesn't have ICBMs. Israel didn't shoot down any ICBMs. They do have other ballistic missles though.

Iran does not currently have an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM)—the longest-range strike weapon (more than 5,500 km, or 3,400 miles)—although analysts say its nascent space program could lend itself to a more rapid development of ICBMs.

https://www.cfr.org/article/what-are-irans-nuclear-and-missile-capabilities

Also THAAD isn't exoatmospheric.

Physics likely plays a role. Easy to math out what a thing is holding just by its emissions, thrust and vector. Basically a digital equivalent to holding an empty weapon.

No point in revealing your capacity when they are duds.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

No they aren't.

They have no legit nuclear payloads for those rockets.

The corruption in Russia has made what they have so incredibly suspect after the failure of their conventional forces.

They have tactical nukes and that's likely it.

Tritium only lasts about 5ish years, and most of the brain trust was in Ukraine when the ussr broke up.

They're currently bartering with potatoes and our 80s technology atacms get through their air defense just fine.

We have interceptors for these. Ukraine does not.

It's just Sabre rattling because Russia is fucked.

That's why Putin is sacking military personnel like crazy. They stole the money and bought yachts and shit.

Russia is terrified that if they launch a legit icbm with a warhead it'll blow up in their face... Just like their "nato killer" sarmat did last month.

DashFire61@reddit

Not terminal ICBMs, terminal theater or intermediate missiles.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

Just to be clear since we might be saying the same thing.

I'm saying icbm due to the news saying it. They're technically incorrect. It's an irbm.

An rs 26 is an intermediate range ballistic missile. Thaad is designed for it.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

You realize they're being shot at each other right?

Thaad goes what. Mach 7 or 8.

How fast does a icbm go in the terminal environment with drag...

Better call Lockheed.

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Substantial_Art_1449@reddit

So, first it was: Their shit doesn’t work. So now we know that their nuclear vehicles do work. Next it’s: they don’t have actual warheads of concern for these vehicles. Do you know this to be 100% a fact? Have you inspected their nuclear facilities and arsenal storage and seen this for yourself? You haven’t.

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irrision@reddit

It's a pretty safe bet given how collapsed the rest of their military infrastructure has turned out to be. In fact I'd bet the pillaging of nuclear systems was at an even higher rate than the rest of their military by the oligarchs. They had to figure no one would ever notice because it would never be used anyway.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

Downvotes for the truth because doomers want doom.

At least we'll sleep well tonight vs them. Lolololol

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Substantial_Art_1449@reddit

How do you know it to be the truth? You are spouting conjecture with zero evidence to back it up. Everything you have said could or could not be. You are being downvoted most likely because you are claiming to be the arbiter of truth, but you are not providing evidence to solidify your position. 🤷‍♂️ just my two cents.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

I have the history of the world on my side, and you have a weak dictator who says "I'm gonna do it"... Three times a week.

This is game theory.

If Russia had power they'd use it.

Putin thought they did and his country imploded with our hand me down weapons.

Do you read books on Russian history?

Because they've done this for 1000 years. Imperialism, collapse, imperialism, collapse.

They've never been strong, and never will be repeating these mistakes.

Putin's version of history is a Soviet fantasy.

He thinks the ussr was the greatest thing because the kgb was the mob and he loved Russian James bond.

He thinks the Cia had a coup and convinced millions of Ukrainians to hate Russia.

He's just not smart. He knows he's screwed... That's why he's firing "warning shots" while we strangle his economy to death.

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Substantial_Art_1449@reddit

Ukraine has plenty of reasons to hate Russia. You still have not provided evidence that Russia does not in fact possess functioning nuclear capability beyond tactical purpose weapons. We can go in circles all day long. I’m calling you out because you seem to be levitating above the rest of us with your supposed 100% factual statements while giving absolutely no evidence to confirm them.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

You have no proof they do and all conventional wisdom points to them not.

Expansion for the first time buddy is a colonel in the Air Force that was in charge of open Skies and flew over Russia to take pictures of decommissioned sites for a decade. He knows things that he can't tell me but he would bet his life that whatever they have doesn't work.

Furthermore, unless you have a lot of nukes... It does you no good.

You would have to be suicidal.

We have degrees in this field.

I understand your reasoning, but that's what got us into Ww3 in the first place.

You're going to have to come back to reality. Putin can't stop and won't stop until he's stopped.

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Substantial_Art_1449@reddit

I do not have proof they do, and I have no proof they do not. I also have no evidence that your friend in fact did these things. I don’t have any “reasoning” here that contributed to the situation we are in. I simply require solid evidence to form and support my beliefs. This situation is the result of Russia invading Ukraine on Putin orders. That is an indisputable fact. The fact here is that there has not been any concrete evidence provided for your claims about the nukes, or your friend being in the Air Force. I require evidence to believe either of those things. The information and media storm during an active war makes it nearly impossible to discover the actual truth until the dust has settled, so I would argue that my position is reasonable.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

Ahh. Got ya.

My information goes back since gorbechav visited my high school. I'm not from the USA but am a citizen.

I've visited and have consumed most of their history and propaganda. Been to Chernobyl and Auschwitz etc.

I've seen what the nazis did and the soviets... Soviets were worse. Which sounds ridiculous, but it's true. Nazis weren't slaves. Soviets were.

You're not going to find concrete information because although they hate every other treaty... They love the test ban... Only a bluffer would do that.

They could easily blow one up on that radioactive test island they have in the arctic.

Instead they used conventional munitions??

C'mon. These are bad liars.

Everything they say is the opposite. Why wouldn't this be the same?

It's deductive reasoning and it's kept us alive since WW2.

That's the best you'll get unfortunately. Not sure how old you are, but this was the common situation for the entire cold war and we now know they had essentially fuck all and were lying to look tough.

Their society is about saving face.

Ours is shame...

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Substantial_Art_1449@reddit

Gulag Archipelago was a tough read. I’m not an expert in history but I enjoy learning about it. I have lived in Freiburg for an exchange program, and got to travel to Moscow, and Irkutsk back in 2009. Unfortunately I have not yet been able to visit Auschwitz. I intend to. It’s wishful thinking but I would like to see peace in the world during my lifetime. War as a concept has never made sense to me. Why people so eagerly march to kill each other. There’s so many ways of looking at it and so many reasons why it happens, but I suppose it boils down to human nature or the belief in a deity of some kind.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

Yeah. Humanity is... Interesting.

WW2 started with Germany and Russia annexing Poland and the baltics in a "special military operation"...

We've seen this movie before sadly.

Not the end of the world, but... Not ideal.

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vlntly_peaceful@reddit

Have you inspected their nuclear facilities and arsenal storage and seen this for yourself? You haven’t.

Of course he hasn't. But does he know who did? The US government. The last time was five years ago. And who would've thought? They fucking work.

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

What the dude below says.

And actually yes. My buddy was the colonel in charge of open Skies for the US DoD.

The delivery vehicles aren't the payload. Nuclear payloads go bad a lot faster than conventional munitions... Which they can barely manufacture.

So yeah, they can use old missiles, but they don't have enough warheads to justify using them.

If they use 1 they are dead.

MAD only works if you can actually kill your enemy.

If they launch 2 and we launch 50 that we know work.... It's not logical... They aren't suicidal and Putin is rich... You think he'd give up his cushy life? Not a chance. He's a pussy.

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KlappinMcBoodyCheeks@reddit

Look, what you've been commenting seems reasonable, but:

Trust me, brah

Isn't exactly reliable. Do you have anything more than a third hand appeal to authority?

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en_kon@reddit

To add to this, people need to factor in the administration change that's about to take place in the US and it having a more favorable approach with Putin's "peace" treaty.

If anything, he'd at least wait after that before going nuclear.

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Bigbossbyu@reddit

We’re (the US) not launching nukes if Russia launches one in Ukraine lmao.

Not worth the destruction of half the country for a Russia nuke to Ukraine

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

Of course not. That's the point. No one is afraid of them but people who believe they're a threat.

Must be nice to live in this dream world

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therapistofcats@reddit

Source?

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dadbod_Azerajin@reddit

https://armscontrolcenter.org/issues/missile-defense/gmd-frequently-asked-questions/#:~:text=Across%20the%20entire%20missile%20defense,in%20the%20last%20six%20tries.

https://armscontrolcenter.org/fact-sheet-u-s-ballistic-missile-defense/#:~:text=The%20Government%20Accountability%20Office%20found,test%20regardless%20of%20its%20success.

https://www.nti.org/analysis/articles/global-missile-defense-race-strong-test-records-and-poor-operational-performance/#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20the%20data%20show,1995%20and%201999%2C%20all%20failed.

It's not a single interceptor % rate but an overall layered system success rate

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therapistofcats@reddit

Per your first link

GMD has a failing test record: a success rate of just 55 percent in highly scripted tests, including three misses in the last six tries.

Also there are only 44 of them.

Per your 3rd link

The data we have compiled, however, does not support such confidence. Our research shows a substantial gap between the effectiveness of missile defense systems in combat and the public statements from government and industry officials about their effectiveness.

Non nuclear. It still blows up.

So it's more like a dummy NICBM.

or just a ICBM.

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Dry-Egg-7187@reddit

Iirc it doesn't blow up they were just the shell without the explosive or the core so pretty much just a chunk of metal

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diaryofsnow@reddit

Why say more word when few word do trick

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djb-media@reddit

Source?

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anycept@reddit

It isn't ICBM, but sure ICBM strike would look exactly like that. The difference is in range. ICBM will deliver this stuff anywhere around the globe in under 30 minutes.

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GlaceBayinJanuary@reddit

They realllly want people to believe they'd use nukes. They won't because they know they'd fucking be turned to glass if they did.

I mean, we said we'd stop at Germany. By we I mean NATO. It wasn't officially written down but when Germany re-unified and joined NATO we said we wouldn't need an inch more.... Of course we couldn't go much farther because of the Warsaw pact nations, but once the soviet union collapsed, we said ok we'll take those.

They are all liars, but at least we could stop some bloodshed for a time.

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Thr8trthrow@reddit

What was discussed, and what was codified are two different things, and Russia has an interest in obfuscating the two. Russia doesn’t even honor its signed treaties, not sure why un-codified aspects of a negotiation are relevant, but you can read the cables yourself.

USA will never allow it because China will use our failure to act as a tactic against Taiwan.

Trump hates China, and Trump/usa want Ukraine as an ally for business.

Y'all need to stop being Doomers.

If you want to prep. Buy government debt.

America!

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rocketscooter007@reddit

How is wanting a peace deal being a doomer? That's the opposite of doom.

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Comeino@reddit

What fucking peace deal? There can't be no deal with people that break their promises.

First it was the Budapest memorandum

Then they only just wanted Crimea

Then just the East Parts

They Russians released a plan this week where by 2045 they expect to completely take over Ukraine and split the western part between neighbors. Ukraine is modern Czechoslovakia, you let this happen millions will die.

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phovos@reddit

If you want to prep. Buy government debt.

huehuehue

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Feisty_Sherbert_3023@reddit

It's the safest collateral in the world... It's the world's engine oil.

Good luck betting against it. That's essentially what causes the crash. Betting against it as it continues to rise and bankrupts everyone for thinking like you.

It's unstoppable. Man vs train.

Train always wins.

Lolololol

Good luck, I can hear it in the distance... Choo fucking boo!

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sexylegs0123456789@reddit

No matter what, Ukraine loses. Russia is sending its worst to the front lines, Ukraine is sending its best. Even when Ukraine is successful, the population of young men will be dwindled. Not to mention generations of trauma.

On the other hand, Ukraine is doing a great job holding back a terrible Russian ground force.

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Not necessarily. They didn’t target NATO, they targeted Ukraine. The trajectory would have been pretty clear and a single ICBM would immediately be understood as NOT being a decapitation strike against a NATO country. If there were dozens then maybe.

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FoShizzleShindig@reddit

Your entire middle paragraph is bullshit without a source.

A coup doesn't entitle you to invading a sovereign nation either. That's just not liking the results and lashing out.

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Disastrous-Big-5651@reddit

And again since you Americans are children: a coup doesn’t make a subsequent invasion RIGHT. But if China or Russia did a coup in Mexico it would be EXPECTED that the Americans would immediately invade. So of course they would never do that unless they WANTED to draw you into a bloody war.

The Mueller report said a member of the Trump transisiton team gave internal polling data to a Russian asset. I'm sure they did that just for fun. Bury your head in the sand, but this is Geopolitics.

Read the foundations of Geopolitics on what Russia wants to do to the US

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Dude I’m just calling out all of the BS like everything they do is justified. Just because the US fucked some things up in the past, doesn’t mean they’re the ones threatning nuclear war right now.

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Disastrous-Big-5651@reddit

I’m not justifying what they are doing. But I understand it. Because we KNOW what the US would do in the same situation.

And we are not talking about ancient history here Libya and Syria were both in the last decade. Syria is ongoing.

The Ukraine situation has been provided by the United States. This reality is only controversial in the US. Virtually the entirety of the rest of the world understands this! The US and Western Europe are isolating ourselves on this while the rest of the world moves on. Again read this:

https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/s6ap8hxhp34hg252wtwwwtdw4afw7x

Mearsheimer in 2014:

https://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Why-the-Ukraine-Crisis-Is.pdf

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FoShizzleShindig@reddit

We’re not isolating shit. The west is collectively the most financially capable and everyone needs to trade with us. Russia is relying on China and will be their bitch by the end of this war.

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Disastrous-Big-5651@reddit

Youre out of your element. Europe is rapidly de industrializing because it no longer can buy cheap Russian gas (after the US took out Nord Stream).

The US economy is over financialized. This is why you have no manufacturing base left. All of NATO will only produce 1/3 of the artillery shells Russia can, and that will only happen in 3 years.

China now has a larger economy than the US according to several measures. BRICS is larger than the G7 GDP wise. And much of the world wants to join. 57% of the world’s population was represented at the conference in Russia last month. The West is falling behind because your idiotic country is leading us to oblivion.

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FoShizzleShindig@reddit

Let me guess, Trump is gonna come and save the day too right? You’re brain dead. BRICS is dead in the water. India already came out and said the dollar is here to stay.

We don’t produce artillery because it’s not our main military doctrine, air superiority is because it works because Russia’s 3 day special military operation was a joke without it.

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Disastrous-Big-5651@reddit

Trump wants to stop the war in Ukraine which is a big reason Biden has escalated.

But Trump wants war with China. Both the Dems and GOP want war with Iran.

You’re the one who is braindead. Your country is rapidly declining. It doesn’t matter which corrupt party is in power, it’ll be a nuclear war with SOMEONE.

The fact that you think BRICS is dead in the water is hilarious. Countries are clamouring to join. They all want to get out from under the US dollar.

Air superiority doesn’t conquer ground. AirLand battle doesn’t work in a real war against a real opponent. Your armed forces did really well against farmers and wedding parties in Afghanistan. For awhile. And then you had to pull out. American units against a near peer would get shredded. Shredded. Any NATO unit would. We don’t have the artillery, the drones and the air defense to deal with them. AirPower alone doesn’t work.

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FoShizzleShindig@reddit

Bro India is one of the most major players in BRICS and wants the dollars dominance to continue. Get real.

There was this thing called the Iraq war and the country was toppled in a month with air supremacy. Insurgence and occupation are different. Russia hasn’t even gotten to that stage in 3 years with their superior ground tactics and artillery

You’re not thinking objectively and just want to be contrarian.

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Disastrous-Big-5651@reddit

Yes you destroyed a third world army with air power. A third world country with minimal air defense, and early cold war equipment. Is that what you think a real war is?

Russia has the best integrated air defense systems in the world. They have linked strike with ISR across multiple platforms. If US units were to go into Ukraine it would be a disaster. You would need to use tactical nuclear weapons very quickly.

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FoShizzleShindig@reddit

Iraq had the 5th largest army at the time with one of the most advanced air defense networks in the world supplied by you guessed it...Russia.

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Gunofanevilson@reddit

Maybe if they hadn’t started shooting at the Maidan, maybe Yanukovych wouldn’t have to have fled the country

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Disastrous-Big-5651@reddit

It was right wing agitators that began shooting.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3619458

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Ebscriptwalker@reddit

None 9f this is things Russia has not done.

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Disastrous-Big-5651@reddit

Nothing on a scale like the US. Are you really this ignorant? When was the last time Russia did a coup on your national borders.

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Ebscriptwalker@reddit

America did not "do a coup" on Russian border. They supported a protest, and outer of a government not aligned with the values of its people. I urge you to look into the origins of the events that caused the uprising. Starting with Russia interfering with their trade deals with western Europe, then Russia sending in officers and soldiers to violently quell their protests. Russia has always and still to this day creates chaotic situations in eastern Europe to destabilized the government's around it. This is the exact reason that countries in Eastern Europe reconfigure their entire governments to attempt to join, usually with large support from the population.

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Disastrous-Big-5651@reddit

You helped fund and organize violent action to take over a government. If Russia or China did the same in Mexico it would have been immediate war.

YOU need to look into events. Yanukovich’s big sin was that he shopped a trade deal around. The EU deal was terrible for Ukraine. It called for de nationalization of key industries and would have made Ukraine a second tier partner in the EU. So he shopped the deal to Russia. He hadn’t even decided on a direction when he was overthrown. The very act of delaying the trade deal with the EU was enough for us.

You guys are delusional. I'll make u that same offer I did the other guy. A paid plane ticket and a spot in the Ukrainian foreign legion

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NewsteadMtnMama@reddit

You'll be getting a ride on a troop plane when Russia decides to invade Poland to "regain" it's territory after Trump tucks tail and gives Putin anything he wants.

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ky420@reddit

Your little dnc ukie modd is removing every reply i put,.... good on yall for only allowing one side of the narrative and politics... hahahaha went back and removed them all 2hrs after creation I know it was a mod censoring my non violation at all comments on political ground only the exact evidence I am compiling for when the new admin tackles censorship.. probably a waste of time but I would love to see reddit taken over and forced to comply with its own rules

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ky420@reddit

https://imgur.com/a/MIwyem5 my replies get removed if they are over a couple sentences have to post like this due to bs censorship unless you can find rule breaking content in those lol

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ky420@reddit

Oh no I won't lmfao I am too old and way too anti war.. I could be an excellent drove operator as I have extensive training in that but I would only do surveillence.. I would not act like a murderer killing people while they sleep and get bjs, the injured, etc...

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ky420@reddit

am an American that doesn't give a shit about Ukraine the longer it goes on the less I care about the side of ukraine russia doesn't alread have and isn't giving back... and Russia isn't gonna move into poland. Thats ridiculous. They want one area of Ukraine that voted the be annexed by them.

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ky420@reddit

THey did not want to be part of the post coup zelensky gov after being basically Russia their entire lives anyways up until the 2014 coup what make the coup gov the only gov worth having.

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ky420@reddit

Those people didn't want it. When RUssia moved in those same people were being attacked by the Ukrainian Military. From the way I seen it they were liberators in those regions. They have no aspiration to fight a hot war with poland and most of the west.

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ky420@reddit

Ukraine would love that and may false flag poland again tho like with the missile to make it seem like russia, russia doesnt have forces or weapons capability not for fighting a war on two fronts. They have basically no navy and even if us carriers were taken out we are VASTLY superior with the ace in the hole the submarine fleet.

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ky420@reddit

Oh no I won't lmfao I am too old and way too anti war.. I could be an excellent drove operator as I have extensive training in that but I would only do surveillence.. I would not act like a murderer killing people while they sleep and get bjs, the injured, etc... I am an American that doesn't give a shit about Ukraine the longer it goes on the less I care about the side of ukraine russia doesn't alread have and isn't giving back... and Russia isn't gonna move into poland. Thats ridiculous. They want one area of Ukraine that voted the be annexed by them. THey did not want to be part of the post coup zelensky gov after being basically Russia their entire lives anyways up until the 2014 coup what make the coup gov the only gov worth having.

Wrong-Perspective-80@reddit

If anyone remembers when the Patriot missile system was sent to Ukraine, people said its ability to shoot down ballistic missiles was theoretical. It was theoretical because they didn’t really have good data on how Russian missiles behave in real world conditions.

Russia just gave up a ton of data on a new missile’s capabilities for nothing. Trajectory, speed, MIRV capabilities, CEP accuracy, etc. They just gave the boys at Raytheon a gift-wrapped spec sheet. Now they can build a system to make Russia’s new missile obsolete.

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BetterthanU4rl@reddit

Well they're real warheads, just not nuclear warheads. And to think, there's 1000's more where that came from.

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Smooth-Entrance-1526@reddit

My life, my country, our military, our equipment, our resources IS NOT worth the fucking Donbas

Man, we need to end this madness ASAP. People on both sides have suffered enough. Just settle it already.

But here we are, with Biden seemingly out of touch and the whole thing spiraling toward disaster. One wrong move, just one, and this could explode into a global nightmare.

And for what? Russia, Ukraine, and Europe are all losing in this mess. The ONLY ones cashing in are the military-industrial fat cats, while thousands of young lives are destroyed. This needs to stop - before it's too late.

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2shayyy@reddit

When a thief breaks into your home and you fight him, exactly how much of your home should he be rewarded to end the violence?

Genuine question.

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wuhan-virology-lab@reddit

are you talking about Israel?

That’s still not an answer to my question…

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Believe me, I’m getting exactly what I want.

All I asked is how much of your home you’d give up. And like so many people who make demands of Ukraine, you skrimped and squirmed and avoided answering a very simple question that challenged your fragile ego.

“I’m a boss of 60 people, I would strategically do this, guarantee that, Athenian blah blah blah”… mate you’re some nobody on Reddit - no one’s listening to you about geopolitics haha.

So, hurry up and answer. How much of your house would you give up to a bully?

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When a neighbor builds a fence across your yard and you disagree about where the property line is, exactly how much of your home should you burn down to resolve the dispute?

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AntcuFaalb@reddit

Fuck that. You always go full redzot: https://www.youtube.com/@redzot/videos

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2shayyy@reddit

I see you avoided answered my question. Very telling.

The answer to yours is that you fight for your property, even if it damages it. As it’s the right to not be dictated to or controlled that is at stake. Not the state of the property itself.

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The999Mind@reddit

If it's me vs a thief that's 3 times my size/skill, I'm making a peace deal. If some of my friends give me equipment and say they'll back me defending my home, I'll defend it for a while but after 2 or 3 years I'm gonna opt for a peace deal.

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2shayyy@reddit

As long as people openly admit they’d surrender and give up their home, I’m fine with them taking that position.

I just hope you’re being honest with yourself about that answer and how you expect Ukraine to do the same.

Unfortunately, going by history - that thief is going to kick off and take the rest of your house as soon as he’s rested...

I wish you the best of luck appeasing him from an even weaker position next time round.

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The999Mind@reddit

It's never as easy as any scenario makes it out to be. I just think whoever holds the power is the one who makes demands.

I'm constantly paranoid of someone who's armed breaking into my house. I can't do shit if that happens because I don't have a gun to match them. It sucks, but I'd literally have to concede to them unless I want to lose my life.

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2shayyy@reddit

Each to their own brother.

But you should understand; many, many people in Eastern Europe would rather die than live under Russian rule again.

You should read up on some of the atrocities the Russians committed, completely unchallenged, during the Iron curtain.

Stuff that would make a Nazi’s hands look clean….

If they’d rather fight on, I wouldn’t blame them.

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enjoythecollapse@reddit

I encourage everyone to read Nuclear War: a scenario by Annie Jacobsen…

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This wasn’t an answer to my question. I’d still like what I asked answered.

In answer to yours, that’s a completely legitimate opinion that you’re welcome to hold.

However, the US, UK (as well as Russia) all signed a treaty promising Ukraine military protection if they surrendered their nuclear weapons. So this is not a question of acting as world police, it’s a question of honouring its own commitments.

The damage to the US’ word and soft power would be tremendous if it broke a defensive agreement such as this. But that’s not up to me.

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RelativeCalm1791@reddit

In response to your original question, I’m not blaming Ukraine. I’m blaming us. Yes, I would use the best tool to fight back. But that doesn’t mean giving them that tool is the best geopolitical solution.

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2shayyy@reddit

Sorry missed your response.

Royal-Application708@reddit

I thought that it was the aliens arriving. 👽

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Unfair_Bunch519@reddit

Most of Russias nukes are of the tactical variety and can be written off as they have no means of delivering them. This leaves some 500 ICBMs that are a real threat. I feel that most of these ones are aimed at Europe as they are the immediate danger to Russia, but I expect a few ceremonial pop shots will be sent towards the US in a nuclear exchange. The only question now is how many of those ICBMs have working boosters, how many will be intercepted and how many have a warhead that is actually going to spark. Another factor is how much western intelligence has penetrated Russias military. Some of these guys may just outright refuse to fire in exchange for a payout.

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whhe11@reddit

Yeah, um probably not. Russia knows that the only part of its military that matters for its survival is nuclear weapons. If they really were only capable of firing off 500 ICBMS, China and the US would decide to go on a joint military invasion and either country could easily knock down the majority of 500 ICBMs. Newer countries like China and Russia (in their current forms) have specific military branches for rockets/missiles and nuclear stuff because it's so central to their continued existence. Russia has lots of natural resources and has killed off a large portion of its fighting men, if it didn't maintain a real nuclear parity, which would be confirmed by satellites, spies ect, they're would very quickly be a real "special military operation" and they'd be occupied in a matter of months. Without an effective nuclear deterrent France or China alone would consider taking over Russia well they're weak.

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BookMonkeyDude@reddit

Close. What they actually need is the credible *appearance* of a nuclear deterrent. While that sounds like the same thing, it's actually very different. Russia has a long history of leveraging deception in lieu of genuine capability, and it works surprisingly well. They show off a bit of technology that looks incredible, and performs well in a demonstration.. and we lose our minds and build something to counter that threat. It's only after we have spent billions that we come to find out that the Russian threat was not at all what it seemed. The classic example of this is how we got the F-15. The F-15, arguably the finest fighter jet ever produced in relation to its' contemporary peers, was designed and created in response to the Soviet Mig-25 which was *fast* and had all sorts of reported capabilities. Well, we could definitely confirm the speed and so we took the other claims seriously too. We built a super-plane that could actually do all the things that the Soviet claimed the Mig-25 could do, and then in 1976 a Soviet pilot defected and flew one to Japan where we got our first good close look at one. We had been had.. it *was* fast, but essentially destroyed its engine requiring a complete overhaul in order to achieve that speed. It still used vacuum tubes.

So, it's not that Russia doesn't have ICBMs.. or nuclear warheads.. it's capable of having them and maintaining them, it's whether they thought they could get away with the *appearance* of having a credible nuclear force and pocket the cash instead of spending it on the real deal.

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phovos@reddit

That is just as relevant for the USA as it is Russia. I estimate at-least half our nuclear force, bomber force, fighter plane force, all aspects of US readiness are at least 50% of what they are reported to be.

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ghgfghffghh@reddit

I think it’s the other way around. Why ever let the public be informed about it? Why expose nuclear secrets? Why does the average person need to know any of it?

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BookMonkeyDude@reddit

Oh? What leads you to believe that? The last time I checked the US is the *only* world power capable of projecting significant military power globally and that can't be faked.

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ky420@reddit

They had some failures in test launches lately. That one blew up the silo...I'd think in the current political climate they are updating and doing proper maintenance on these systems. They don't have the same issues with the mobile ones I don't think.

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DoktorSigma@reddit

Most of Russias nukes are of the tactical variety and can be written off as they have no means of delivering them.

Uh, no?

Obama started this bullshit with Crimea. He did nothing. Then when Putin saw that he went full invasion mode.

McCain would have stopped that shit before it even started.

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Jestercopperpot72@reddit

Well that's terrifying. Good times!

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cipher446@reddit

Ok, that missile supported six MIRVs. Thanks for the info, Russia.

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Rustyfetus@reddit

This is awesome, dummy run for Armageddon

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ritmoon@reddit

Hey guys, doesn’t this seem a little strange? Where’s the explosion? Even with a conventional warhead there should be an explosion at impact? If they’re ballistic missiles, wouldn’t they be in a free fall at this point with no thrust?

Any chance this is video of a lunch that has been reversed?

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ritmoon@reddit

It might be more believable than this

Guys, why downvote it? Point out where I am wrong? It was a genuine question, brought to my attention by Artillery guy.

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