This spot will be key to the inevitable collapse of a key Atlantic current
Posted by Cass05@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 26 comments
Posted by Cass05@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 26 comments
malcolmrey@reddit
I don't understand the point of this article.
How that it affect us or changes anything? Are we able to utilize this knowledge somehow? It's not like we can regulate that place or anything.
Just genuinely curious.
StatesFollowMind@reddit
AMOC slowdown --> rapid changes in weather patterns --> crop failures --> SHTF
malcolmrey@reddit
I think we are on a different page.
I understand what are the repercussions are of the changes.
I just fail to understand what is the point of focusing on a specific area.
By analogy, there is a big earthquake. Are we interested in what was the damage and what are the consequences or are we interested in where was the origin point of that earthquake?
Another example: if there are big wildfires and we can pinpoint possible starting points then in those cases we could possibly dispatch some units there and make controlled burnouts or whatever to help with this situation.
In case of AMOC collapes we are powerless, so what does it matter to us where is the starting point of the AMOC?
Someone else mentioned that it might help at better predicting the future weather patterns. If so, then it is a valid knowledge but I think it's a bit of a stretch and we need to have all the data about the AMOC and not just where its collapse starts.
StatesFollowMind@reddit
Climate systems are interlinked. What happens in one region has reverberations in the next. The AMOC is critical for the even distribution of temperature in the world. When it falls apart, it'll have serious implications for the climate system globally.
lightweight12@reddit
Here's the last paragraph
"Forecasting AMOC behavior is becoming increasingly urgent as scientists warn we are nearing a tipping point. "These insights are critical for informing policy makers and climate experts in developing targeted strategies to mitigate and adapt to climate impacts," Ma said."
malcolmrey@reddit
Ok got it, so nothing will change.
Cass05@reddit (OP)
They're monitoring it not because they can do anything about it but they can warn governments of the regions affected that the AMOC is turning off/is about to turn off.
False-Verrigation@reddit
This. Imagine you had this information 45 minutes before it hit the stock market.
Would definitely cover expedition costs.
Great, now I wonder who is funding this?
lightweight12@reddit
That's my conclusion as well, yes.
Expert_Tea_5484@reddit
It hopefully allows us to forecast the changes in the AMOC more reliably, and to also gain better understanding of how the changing conditions may effect weather patterns. Both will be incredibly useful for hopefully understanding how spread of arable land for food supply could shift for example
FitBenefit4836@reddit
Tipping point
DirewaysParnuStCroix@reddit
Just a quick note but the "widespread cooling of the northern hemisphere" trope is effectively obsolete, as the primary authors behind the concept have recently conceded that more up-to-date analysis are more representative of Anthropocene dynamics. Ideally within the next few years we'll be seeing more extensive refutation of the cooling feedback hypothesis as it's effectively not physically possible in practice, it's just that the overall academic and journalistic narrative hasn't yet caught up to recent developments.
Expert_Tea_5484@reddit
The year round cooling portrayed in mainstream media was something I never believed it'd cause. Would it instead cause increased warming, especially in the summer, but with an increased chance of incredibly harsh cold snaps in the winter too ? Or would winters still continue to get milder too ?
12345432112@reddit
What will occur instead then
DirewaysParnuStCroix@reddit
The notion of poleward atmospheric heat transport being the fundamental factor in maintaining a pole-to-equator thermal gradient is effectively an icehouse dynamic function in practice. The presence of a strong cryospheric anomaly is essentially what upholds the thermal anomalies observed at the poles. Pretty much all observable dynamics demonstrate that we're rapidly exiting the current ice age, with atmospheric methane volumes suggesting that we've already been in an ice age termination event for almost 20 years already.
Considering that we're broadly analogous to the Mid-Piacenzian Warm Period when accounting for the present atmospheric carbon volume of >420ppm, or the Middle Miocene when accounting for the combined equivalent of ~500ppm-eq, paleoclimate analyses suggest that the planet could be anywhere between 2°c-3°c or 4°c-10°c warmer than the 1850-1900 baseline if we observed a climatic equilibrium equivalent to present atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations. The Middle Miocene can be defined as a "cool-icehouse" or "cool-greenhouse" depending on who defined the metric (both essentially mean that only the South Pole would observe permanent glaciation, as opposed to the current cold-icehouse under which we see permanent glaciation at both poles). But it's generally accepted that atmospheric carbon volumes will continue to increase substantially in our near future. At our current rate, well more than likely be approaching 1,000ppm by the end of the century. Once we reach that stage, icehouse dynamics aren't physically possible. So essentially, nowhere gets colder as the atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases will essentially revert the climate to one with a substantial heat trapping characteristic.
Realistically, the current Cenozoic Quaternary is an unusually cold geological epoch. Even during our present interglacial, we're arguably observing comparatively cooler conditions when compared to geological greenhouse and hothouse conditions. Icehouse periods are actually very rare anomalies in earth's history and represent up to 20% of its entire geological record, they tend to get abruptly terminated by sudden increases in greenhouse gas concentrations (important to note that "abrupt" is usually on a scale of millenia, compared to the 150 years under which we've achieved an equivalent change).
ShareholderDemands@reddit
I am going to go use this as my response to the thread on /anticonsumption that asks why I ever get the urge to just spend money.
Because the god damned ship is sinking and there is no way I even get close to the finish line before it does.
Cass05@reddit (OP)
So no UK/Scandinavia freezing over? That's good, I was afraid of hordes of illegal immigrant blonde people overrunning our borders.
There's a big difference between 2°C and 10°C!
lightweight12@reddit
The heating from climate change will be slightly moderated, so perhaps less heating, but not cooling.
Hot_Individual5081@reddit
who cares burn it all already
fitbootyqueenfan2017@reddit
my tugboat idea could also work on this problem by just borrowing some Chinese boats and drive around in circles really fastly to create a whirlpool effectly making a flushing motion to sink the water more gooder.
Cass05@reddit (OP)
We may become so desperate that someone tries it!
loco500@reddit
Bro you're a genius! Also have an idea of putting a bunch of fridges w/solar panels side by side all running along the borders of each continent with the doors open pointing inward...just think of the cooling.
daviddjg0033@reddit
It's the only point on the globe that is blue
StatementBot@reddit
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Cass05:
Scientists have pinpointed the Irminger Sea off SE Greenland is where the overturn occurs - where warm water sinks and then returns south. The finding highlights the urgent need for better monitoring of this location. Research shows that the Arctic meltwater reduces the density of surface waters, preventing them from sinking to form bottom currents. Freshwater release from arctic meltwater directly inhibits deep-water formation and alters atmospheric circulation patterns.
The Irminger Sea has a disproportionate influence on the strength of the AMOC because it regulates the amount of water sinking to form deep currents in nearby seas.
Reduced deep-water formation led to widespread cooling in the Northern Hemisphere, as well as Arctic sea ice expansion, because warm water wasn't being brought up from the south.
Some surprises - the location of meltwater input matters. Researchers discovered climate extremes at much more localized scales, including seasonal extremes in precipitation across No. America and the Amazon Basin that varied depending on which region of the North Atlantic the meltwater was added to.
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Cass05@reddit (OP)
Scientists have pinpointed the Irminger Sea off SE Greenland is where the overturn occurs - where warm water sinks and then returns south. The finding highlights the urgent need for better monitoring of this location. Research shows that the Arctic meltwater reduces the density of surface waters, preventing them from sinking to form bottom currents. Freshwater release from arctic meltwater directly inhibits deep-water formation and alters atmospheric circulation patterns.
The Irminger Sea has a disportionate influence on the strength of the AMOC because it regulates the amount of water sinking to form deep currents in nearby seas.
Reduced deep-water formation led to widespread cooling in the Northern Hemisphere, as well as Arctic sea ice expansion, because warm water wasn't being brought up from the south.
Some surprises - the location of meltwater input matters. Researchers discovered climate extremes at much more localized scales, including seasonal extremes in precipitation across No. America and the Amazon Basin that varied depending on which region of the North Atlantic the meltwater was added to.
Cass05@reddit (OP)
Scientists have pinpointed the ocean engine with the biggest role in driving key Atlantic currents that regulate Earth's climate, new research suggests.
The Irminger Sea off southeastern Greenland is where warm waters that transport heat northwards from the Southern Hemisphere sink and then return south along the bottom of the ocean. As such, this region plays a critical role in powering the ocean conveyor belt known as the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC).