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Leviathan-USA-CEO@reddit

Umm wouldn’t the US space based detection system know basically immediately if it is or not??? And wouldn’t that be completely public by now? Doesn’t the US like immediately scramble bombers and other systems. I would have to imagine they do a press conference about this.

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BringbackDreamBars@reddit (OP)

So, from what I can see if this is correct, there's two options.

This is the worst translation mistake of all time and its an Iranian missile that is actually an MRBM

The disarmed rocket only launch was real what the rumours were saying yesterday.

This is an incredibly fast moving story and we need verification, so if you have your own sources, jump in the thread.

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undisclosedusername2@reddit

If it was an ICBM, it seems like a huge waste of resources. Either that, or it's designed to scare Americans and Europeans to reduce support for Ukraine.

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The-Copilot@reddit

It should be noted that Russia’s last test of an ICBM blew up on the launch platform and left a crater.

This may have been done to show that they aren't incompetent while also being a show of force against the West.

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SkinnyGetLucky@reddit

Washington should send a card with “congratulations, some of your rockets work” with a photo of that last failed test on the front.

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NonEuclidianMeatloaf@reddit

Remember the hard lesson Russia learned at the beginning of the invasion: most of their military had been hollowed out by corruption and graft because the officers never seriously thought the hardware would be used. I would expect their ICBM stockpile to be viewed with the same kind of suspicion by Putin. This, if nothing else, simply proves to Russian command that their missiles can actually fly.

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ConsciousPatroller@reddit

Zero chance that Putin would OK this if command wasn't 100% sure the missiles work. It's for the audience abroad who has entertained doubts about the Russian arsenal's functionality.

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NonEuclidianMeatloaf@reddit

He tried similar when testing nuclear delivery systems in their frozen north. Resulted in a gigantic explosion at the facility.

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kingofthesofas@reddit

it is a posturing move meant to scare people that have no idea how nukes or rockets work but had very little real effect.

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Banjo_Pobblebonk@reddit

or it's designed to scare Americans and Europeans to reduce support for Ukraine.

Bingo. Every single western aid package has been met with nuclear sabre rattling which has worn a bit thin after the 50th "red line" was crossed, so now they're trying to recapture that fear.

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BringbackDreamBars@reddit (OP)

Question here:

If this was an IRBM, surely we would have some denial from the US or Ukraine now that the media has hold of it?

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OpalFanatic@reddit

Keep in mind the difference between a low range ICBM and a high range IRBM can come down to the weight of the warhead put on it. An IRBM has a range of less than 5500 kilometers. An ICBM has a range of more than 5500 kilometers. So take a RS-26 ICBM which has a demonstrated range of 5800 kilometers and increase the warhead weight somewhat, and boom, it's now a IRBM. Take a RSD-10 IRBM with a range of 5500 kilometers, and swap the warhead with anything even a tiny bit lighter, and you've got an ICBM.

Until more data on exactly what missle was used, it's kind of in a limbo of "might be the same, might not be the same" situation.

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BringbackDreamBars@reddit (OP)

Ukrainain media is sticking with the ICBM theory.

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BringbackDreamBars@reddit (OP)

State department briefing 1.15PM

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--Muther--@reddit

Now been denied as ICBM launch by Western Officials, stating it was merely Ballistic.

Russia-Ukraine war live: Doubts cast over Kyiv claim that Russia launched intercontinental ballistic missile https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/russia-ukraine-war-live-storm-shadow-missiles-kyiv-putin-zelenskyy?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-673f0a908f08bad5f60538f0#block-673f0a908f08bad5f60538f0

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OkNefariousness4887@reddit

So… do people not know what “ICBM” stands for?

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bonnieflash@reddit

Intercontinental ballistic missile…. Gen xers should all know this as we lived under it’s constant threat as kids

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--Muther--@reddit

Yeah i wondered if they were playing dumb with words here or something.

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Luka77GOATic@reddit

IRBM’s are technically illegal by nuclear treaty’s; this “ICBM” the RS26 technically just meets the minimum range of a ICBM, but without a payload. Russia will claim it’s a ICBM so they can say they haven’t done anything wrong while the US will want to empathise that this is Russia circumventing the treaty and developing what essentially amounts to a IRBM. These Intermediate Ballistic Missiles allow quicker impact in the case of a first strike and that’s why the treaty bans all nuclear ballistic missiles between 500km and 5500km.

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KheyotecGoud@reddit

You can launch an ICBM over a short range. It wouldn’t make much sense but you can do it.

I think this ultimately boils down to ICBMs generally being thought of as nuclear payload delivery devices, so it’s for fear and eyeballs.

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Ooutoout@reddit

I'm not seeing anything in https://www.defensenews.com/ but that's my go to for things like this. It's a good source for conflict-related news.

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lerpo@reddit

"An unnamed US official says the missile fired at Ukraine overnight was a ballistic missile but not an intercontinental ballistic missile, according to our US partner CBS News.

As we've just reported, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said a Russian missile fired towards Dnipro had the "characteristics" of an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM). Earlier today, the Ukrainian air force said that an ICBM had been launched by Russia.

We're still waiting on an official comment from the US government. "

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Good_Theory4434@reddit

Pro Ukrainian Analysts already talked about that Yesterday, it was expected. Its a political Action against the West. Its like a nuclear bomb test, but in that case a rocket test under real conditions. Its Politics - not military.

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intothewoods76@reddit

Tell that to the people who got struck with a missile.

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Good_Theory4434@reddit

I tell that to the politicians and people that still think we shouldnt defeat russia in Ukraine. We must beat Russia in Ukraine and no it wont Trigger nuclear war.

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Multinightsniper@reddit

There were reports and rumors on telegram about the ICBM's being launched had their payloads changed to traditional warheads

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KheyotecGoud@reddit

ICBM does not need to be nuclear, it’s just a description of the delivery system. If they did decide to shoot a nuclear ICBM then the world just changed overnight.

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BringbackDreamBars@reddit (OP)

https://x.com/Liveuamap/status/1859508549434458478

Your thoughts on this?

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Enzo-Unversed@reddit

I'm reading on both Pro-Russia and Pro-Ukraine Twitter accounts that it was an ICBM. Reports in the city of Dnipro of a lour explosion and a triple explosion.

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11systems11@reddit

Every time I see a headline like this I get the urge to buy another 20# bag of rice.

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gsrmn@reddit

All the other Russian missiles can get knocked out the sky by Ukrainians air defense. Soon even these the Ukrainians will learn to take them out

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The_Vee_@reddit

Putin has to gain some ground before Trump gets in. That way when when Trump "ends the war with his amazing diplomacy skills," Russia already has the parts of Ukraine they wanted, and all the chaos gets blamed on the Biden administration. Very strange, Putin started preparing for this scenario, almost like he knew Trump was going to win.

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HelloImTheAntiChrist@reddit

Well of course . His cybersecurity teams (hackers) already assured him (under threat of death if they were wrong) that the undetectable code inserted into the US voting machines was solid and Putin had nothing to worry about in terms of the outcome he wanted.

The code activated on election day and changed just 15% of Harris / Democratic nominee votes to a single vote for Trump. It wasn't sophisticated enough to vote Rs all the way down the ticket.

The Biden Administration and some others in the US government are aware and will do nothing about it....why? Because they have been told not to by their masters. The USA has been put up for sale....and bought long ago.

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Due_Most9445@reddit

Jesse what the fuck are you talking about

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HelloImTheAntiChrist@reddit

Read the last line man. Lol

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Due_Most9445@reddit

Damn man you don't know the meme

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HelloImTheAntiChrist@reddit

Enlightened me good sir...what meme are you referring to?

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The_Vee_@reddit

If Trump truly won, it was because of intense Russian propaganda. Either way, Putin chose the president of the United States.

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Wrong_Confection_305@reddit

If it’s an icbm, the entire early warning calculus in nuclear strategy is now gone. There is no way to tell if it’s a conventional explosives warhead or a nuclear MIRV warhead. Fun times.

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get_while_true@reddit

Which is why the major powers avoid direct confrontations at all costs.

Any direct escalation between nuclear nations will make the world last for hours, not days.

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Wrong_Confection_305@reddit

Yup. Getting too dicey for comfort.

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Vegetaman916@reddit

Wrong. It was an IRBM, not an ICBM, and there is a huge difference. People keep posting this acronym as misinformation all over social media, and it is getting out of hand.

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Sebsibus@reddit

This is just another intimidation tactic by Putin to scare western Appeasers into submission.

The strategic reasons why Russia hasn’t used its nuclear arsenal haven’t changed since the beginning of the war. Both India and China would be extremely angry with Putin if he resorted to nuclear weapons. Moreover, if Russia launched massive strategic nuclear attacks on Ukrainian cities, NATO would likely intervene—and a few small tactical nukes wouldn’t secure a Russian victory in the war.

In fact, I think it’s more dangerous if the West responds to these threats by ducking away and showing weakness. It’s incredibly risky to let Putin believe he can break the game simply by threatening nuclear apocalypse. On top of that, if Russia achieves its goals through nuclear black-mail, it would only encourage other nations to pursue nuclear weapons for leverage.

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CaptainSur@reddit

ruzzia fired the strike at an area that does not have Patriot or SAMP-T coverage for their little demonstration of futility.

As has been pointed out in other comments this is mostly about ruzzia attempting to ratchet up fear of escalation and consequences for supporting Ukraine by allies. It will have no effect and in fact give Ukraine's allies the window and justification they need to further increase support.

IMHO this asset usage actually highlights ruzzian weakness. It is becoming ever more evident that they cannot defeat Ukraine, and are being absolutely punished in their attempt to do so. So they are escalating with seemingly powerful, but actually clearly ineffective and inadequate assets in order to support their public propaganda.

Any analyst worth their salt (me at one time included) is dissecting this and the conclusions speak poorly for ruzzia.

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blinkinski@reddit

Doubtfully that this will scare anyone. It seems that most people on internet want the Nuclear War, because "we will win in it".

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Syphox@reddit

i’m scared as shit, but i might be in the minority

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Loose_Juggernaut6164@reddit

It seems like most people who accuse the rest of us think its better to give hitler austria and Czechs because "he will definitely stop there!"

No one wants nuclear war. We also dont want to live under Putins yoke. So what are we supposed to do? How would you have prevented WW2?

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blinkinski@reddit

It seems like you are replying to someone else.

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Yemnats@reddit

I was just thinking about this yesterday. It's kind of crazy that we're seeing psyops recycled into the system and moving up the chain of command to the point where I'm not even sure at this point if politicians are aware that the claims that they're making policy decisions on are weaponized misinformation. Scary times.

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stinkdrink45@reddit

iTs jUsT a pOliTiCaL mOvE!!! Mfs this shit is real the political move is having mainstream media undermine Russia since the get go and feed us bs. What happened with Russia falling apart due to logistic issues on the first month. Now they are one warhead swap on a ICBM and then it will be real for us.

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Loose_Juggernaut6164@reddit

Hitler will definitely stop if we just give him Austria and Czechia. That will be the end. Mainstream media just manipulating us into thinking hes bad. Damn warmongers!!

Wheres your red line? As long as its just Europe and asia you figure no worries right?

Or, maybe now that we all except territorial annexation the US can take mexico and Canada? The new great compromise. We'll give the us north and south America. Russia will get europe and africa. China the rest of non russian asia.

Then we'll have true peace.

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stinkdrink45@reddit

Yeah you went far off on that one. Definitely didn’t imply any of that what I’m fuck saying is people here in the US are not taking it serious at all we are in the brink of nuclear war yet. Our main stream media is barely even covering this.

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Canucker22@reddit

Why launch an ICBM at Ukraine? It stands for “inter continental ballistic missile” not “I Can Blast Myneighbour Missile”

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NonEuclidianMeatloaf@reddit

Also, I would imagine that Russia eventually would like have control over all of Ukraine. Having an irradiated landscape to decontaminate — scraping topsoil over an entire country — isn’t something Russia wants to have to do.

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Crezelle@reddit

Penis posturing

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AutomatedCognition@reddit

The Awakening of Humanity

Act V scene VI

Eurasia to Oceana

"Nah brah I'm serious, I'll do it bro!"

Oceana

"I would do something, but you seen the sky lately? Lotta weird shit in the sky lately. That you, East Asia?"

East Asia

"Nah brah. Them UFO's here too. You doing this Eurasia?"

Eurasia

"Uhh....no?"

The orange fucker in a superposition of admirance and hate takes office

Oceana

"You wanna blow shit up? Let's blow shit up!"

Eurasia, East Asia, together

"Ah fuck!"

A light shines down from the heavens

Crazy Indigo Aliens

"Humans! We cum in peace! Welcome to the galactic federation, we have eight billion new types of drugs and you won't believe the video games you can play in the eleventh dimension, and, y'know, we infinite porn, but, uh, infinite sex too, and obviously love and fish-flavored ice cream and a completely fulfilling purpose in life!"

Oceana, Eurasia, East Asia, in unison

"WOW WHAT A MIRACLE!"

Crazy Indigo Aliens, winking at the camera

"All in a days work in the XYZ..."

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RudeDudeInABadMood@reddit

This is amazing, and spot on

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Outrageous_Laugh5532@reddit

Because of the various payloads that an icbm can carry that medium range ballistic missile cannot. It’s a way of showing military capabilities

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intothewoods76@reddit

Maybe it went the long way?

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OptimismNeeded@reddit

“America, you should know we have these, they are operational, we can use them, and they could carry nuclear war heads”

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Chemical_Trip_9236@reddit

They will shoot it down

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Moe3kids@reddit

You can't shoot those down. Not the ballistic and hypersonic missiles.

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Wise-Capital-1018@reddit

What did he say before deleting the comment?

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xUncleOwenx@reddit

I can't wait for a miscommunication to happen between the great powers and as a result we all die in nuclear hell fire. Remember, the president has 6 minutes to respond to a suspected nuclear attack gif

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RudeDudeInABadMood@reddit

Alleged video of strike

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--Muther--@reddit

Now been denied by Western officials

Russia-Ukraine war live: Doubts cast over Kyiv claim that Russia launched intercontinental ballistic missile https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/russia-ukraine-war-live-storm-shadow-missiles-kyiv-putin-zelenskyy?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-673f0a908f08bad5f60538f0#block-673f0a908f08bad5f60538f0

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AdditionalAd9794@reddit

There's video of them coming down though

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--Muther--@reddit

Aye

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AdditionalAd9794@reddit

My understanding is they were un armed decoys, it was a show of force

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joeg26reddit@reddit

Technically it’s INTRA continental since it never left the continent

You might the missile was “INcontinent”

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fattmarrell@reddit

Are we back in 2021?

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fadingsignal@reddit

1984

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Tha_Dude_Abidez@reddit

Hers video of the icbm

https://www.reddit.com/r/shockwaveporn/s/KI5XxHPVCa

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Plane_Advertising_61@reddit

Would this give Nato any new, real world intel on how Russia use/launch icbms?

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BringbackDreamBars@reddit (OP)

New imminent launch alarm from Kasputin Yar.

https://x.com/InsiderGeo/status/1859584998866575405

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LivyOfRome@reddit

Everyone needs to chill until confirmed. Ukraine has been lying throughout this war for its gain. It's the same with Russia.

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revan12281996@reddit

When will we see this on the news?

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--Muther--@reddit

Russia-Ukraine war live: Doubts cast over Kyiv claim that Russia launched intercontinental ballistic missile https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/nov/21/russia-ukraine-war-live-storm-shadow-missiles-kyiv-putin-zelenskyy?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-673f0a908f08bad5f60538f0#block-673f0a908f08bad5f60538f0

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lerpo@reddit

This link was posted 3 mins after the first few tweets.

News agencies need to have time to check the sources before putting it out there. Otherwise they'd just be making news reports on any single tweet from anyone.

It took 20 ish mins for main news agencies to start posting stories about it. In that time they have to check, double check, write the story and sign the story off.

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adfddadl1@reddit

..but... but Reddit told me none of Russia's nuclear missiles would even launch..

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doctazeus@reddit

It wasn't a nuclear weapon, they strapped a bunch of north Koreans that were watching too much porn to a rocket and launched it, proving yet again how weak ruzzia is 1002 days into the 3 day smo.

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intothewoods76@reddit

Looks like the US will be putting that ICBM defense system in Ukraine now after all.

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intothewoods76@reddit

Here we go, I got $1 says one or two of those missiles miss their target and “accidentally” hit a NATO country.

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Shoddy_Reality8985@reddit

https://x.com/i/status/1859530705459413024

Those are MIRVs without warheads, can't be anything else at that speed. This is the equivalent of, in a fight, someone yelling "I am going to stab you!" for quite some time, before eventually pulling a sheathed knife and hitting you with it. In other words, it's the point where you should start at least considering some brandishment of your own.

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