What's so great about Arch?

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Nnarol@reddit

I like it because when using it, the computer randomly shuts down almost every day, but in a very sudden, immediate way that does not leave any logs as to the reason or even the event of the shutdown.

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LastFireTruck@reddit

Why so butthurt?

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Nnarol@reddit

?

If I was butthurt, I wouldn't be typing this from my Arch PC.

EDIT: Why so butthurt though? Are you a developer of Arch or something?

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LastFireTruck@reddit

No just wondering why you would feel compelled to write something 100% false. If it was sarcasm, you're missing the /s.

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Nnarol@reddit

If you're wondering that, then I can't really do anything about that I feel, since you automatically assumed about something that is true that it's false without any information.

As for the reason why I wrote this is to not give OP the idea that I recommend Arch to them. There's too little context to tell whether it'd be appropriate for them, and statistically, it would not be.

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LastFireTruck@reddit

If your machine is doing what you claim, you've effed up your system, because that's not in any way the normal user experience. And if it's true, you're not too bright for putting up with it instead of fixing it or installing another distro if you think Arch is to blame.

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Nnarol@reddit

I only have 2 Arch installations, but both have problems. The other sometimes shuts down due to overheating, because the fan stops spinning, about once a month or so. Aside from this, the Fn key, when combined with the F keys, works in an inverted way from when it is combined with other keys. WiFi is constantly dropping too, so I had to write a script to periodically set up the wlan interface.

Since these 2 installations are my only personal experiences with Arch, I would not recommend random people to use it. I have personally not regretted it, because it was all for exposing myself to problems and learning.

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LastFireTruck@reddit

You:

I could have any car that would function, but I choose to drive the one where the wheels fall off suddenly for no reason every time because ___.

a) A mule kicked me in the head

b) I like to complain on forums

c) I'm lying

d) both a and b

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Nnarol@reddit

I wouldn't say the analogy is correct, but if I also may take some liberties, then

e) I'm an engineer and I'd like to learn about failing cars.

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deleted_by_reddit@reddit

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Nnarol@reddit

I may see the error of my way some day. But for that, someone would have to prove it's wrong. Unfortunately, I do not think there were any points you made that were even remotely grounded in common sense, so it'll have to be another day.

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LastFireTruck@reddit

Grounded on experience. First hand. What we do know is you can't run a system without breaking it. What you are claiming is that Arch doesn't work and that's the only reason to install it. That is utterly ridiculous and completely devoid of common sense. Instead of millions of other users being wrong, maybe it's the guy in the mirror, Einstein.

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Nnarol@reddit

Thought so. Don't worry, after elementary school, you'll learn more about drawing logical conclusions. Maybe one day, you'll even contribute to your favorite distro!

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DriedBark@reddit

Did you ever figure out why your installation was doing this?

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idontchooseanid@reddit

I have been using Arch for ~10 years. I will write the stuff that makes Arch better for me as a developer and advanced Linux user. These differ from overrepeated sterotypical and extremely over-memed crap.

Rolling release model is much more suitable to work with actual application developers. The actual Linux developers often use up to date versions of libraries. Regular distros often ship older versions. There may be corner cases or well handled cases in the up to date versions of libraries that actually makes them more reliable or easily debuggable.
GNU/Linux is binary hostile. For free software purists source is the only form of software matters so their development process and software design is often incompatible with the stable binary distribution. GNU and FSF originated components are quite essential and even the most core components break compatibility sometimes. It is hard and tedious to maintain stable software interfaces while innovating. Many developers are volunteers so they don't care about unrewarding software stability. This makes developing applications for Linux a challenge (esp. closed source ones). Stable distros are designed for 3rd party developers and system admins to keep them sane. They achieve this by creating stable binary interfaces by locking the library versions down and then patching them with bugfixes while trying to keep binary compatibility. This results in Frankenstein's monster kind of forks and they are harder to debug for upstream developers. On the other hand compiling everything is a waste of user time and energy. Arch is a compromise. You have to update the system completely but you get binary packages. This is more friendly for FOSS developers.
Arch is simple. It often refrains from modying FOSS software as other distros do. It carries a lot of bloat because of this. However, this bloat of non-separated dependencies and development stuff in packages makes it a better development environment. Arch avoids modifying configuration of the packages in an overzealous way. It is up to user to figure everything out.
Arch does not ban proprietary packages as other distros do. While FOSS is fun and great, some software is written as closed source for many different reasons primarily financial. IMO, it should be user's decision whether to or not to use proprietary software. Arch as a simple distribution refrains making this decision for you. If a proprietary software manages to survive Linux ecosystem, it often works under Arch.
Again Arch is simple. The configuration does not have abstractions and guard rails around it as in the other distros. It forces user to be completely aware of the system state. If it breaks, it is 90% user's fault because it is user's responsibility to maintain their system. In the recent years maintaining Linux systems got a lot easier and the many components have matured so it is a lot easier to be a control freak. Arch provides tools and guidelines to ease this.

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Wrong_Building_8918@reddit

DEBIAN is the Oldest and one of the Best. RPM based Linuxes like arch used to be full of issues with Dependencies and so much time was wasted finding dependencies and more dependencies to patch the system that should of worked right away. The only thing you learn with arch is how to install arch. Debian, Ubuntu, are more mature and More secure and Stable. Remember Mandrake, Mandriva, Fedora Redhat ? Arch came from them. Debian Ubuntu is very stable , Solid and you can learn as much as you want or as little as you want with them without blowing your system or affecting the boot loader with simple errors. Try Arch if you want . It's way off the mark IMHO.

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0tus@reddit

The only thing you learn with arch is how to install arch

Absolutely not true.

Debian Ubuntu is very stable , Solid and you can learn as much as you want or as little as you want with them.

And that's the thing. When using Ubuntu, nothing pushes you to learn anything. Nothing about Ubuntu's design encourages you to learn anything beyond using it as you would windows or mac, just to run your software and google things when they don't work.

If you go with Arch you are immediately encouraged to learn things and you will be learning in a hands-on manner that sticks with you. Not only will you read about how some of the essential systems and software run you will configure many of them to run, which teaches you a lot. You can of course start tinkering with Debian or Ubuntu, but a newbie won't even know where to start.

When you install Arch piece by piece you will get a solid structured tour of the basics which gives you a more decent understanding of what a modern Linux distribution runs underneath (not just Arch).

as a freshman when my university Ubuntu laptop refused to boot I took it to the tech department to fix. When any Linux computer I have now runs into a similar issue, I am much more prepared to diagnose the issue myself, regardless of whether I'm on arch or Debian based system.

Installing Arch taught me quite a bit about how modern Linux distros work, not just installing Arch.

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merlin_theWiz@reddit

The arch wiki is extremely good. Also pacman and the aur. Software is always cutting edge.

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deleted_by_reddit@reddit

the archwiki is pretty decent, but I don't find pacman to be better than most other package managers. I don't understand why everybody thinks it's so great. All the ones that aren't similiar to nix and guix are average at best.

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B_i_llt_etleyyyyyy@reddit

pacman is a damn sight faster than apt, which is what a lot of people see when they use Linux for the first time.

Then again, zypper on openSUSE is almost as fast, and it'll give you suggestions if a package name is wrong; the search functionality is also better, imo. A big reason why Tumbleweed isn't my daily driver is the AUR. Having an Arch mirror in my town doesn't hurt, either.

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deleted_by_reddit@reddit

I can't remember if i ever cared at how fast a package manager is. After the initial setup, it's not like you're using it all the time.

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benjumanji@reddit

Depends on what you are doing. I am always using a package manager (software dev / sysdamin)

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Wrong_Building_8918@reddit

Arch isn't faster at anything over Debian Ubuntu. Just look at how long it takes to install Ubuntu over Arch. Ubuntu Debian smoke Arch and install in less than 30 min on a newer machine. I like proprietary software because it's tested by a team of paid people and often works just fine . Don't give yourselves too much importance with Arch the true test will be how it inovayes in the next ten years or if it falls by the wayside line Mandrake / Mandriva which was "highly touted "also.

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Wrong_Building_8918@reddit

Doesn't matter who is fastest it matters who offers security, stability and reliability and ease if use.

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Wrong_Building_8918@reddit

Cutting edge doesn't mean Good Bro