Is Collapse Always Inevitable? (Long)
Posted by chilipeppers420@reddit | collapse | View on Reddit | 7 comments
Please don't mind the messy nature of this post, I started this out with just one idea, however I've very quickly found myself unable to prevent myself from adding more as I continue to think about existance.
The majority of our society is living in mass denialism. To be honest, I don't blame us. We feel powerless, and rightfully so. The thing is, the ultimate source of this sense of powerlessness may not be what one would commonly think. If you scale things back far enough, you start to see that we really are out of control in a way that's likely impossible to fully grasp. The fundamental, unseen forces of the universe cannot be controlled.
We don't have control over the laws of the universe, we only possess the ability to somewhat make conscious choices within their bounds. There are greater forces at play controlling the direction this all takes.
One of these forces is biology. We're only animals at the end of the day, and animals are ruled by biology. Survival instincts, individualism, "gotta secure mine" mentality, etc. It's quite obvious that this is the truth, there's a reason why we've gotten to the point we have in recent years. There is no denying our biological nature. We pretend to be better, but at the end of the day, we're not. When shit hits the fan, we protect ourselves first. Social media and our increasing connectivity has only made this all the more obvious. There are unspoken societal truths that only become more prevalent as we try to bury them away. We're fairly simple creatures.
Another one of the most prominent forces is the dual existance/codependency of good and evil. There are universal rules to this game; good and evil both must exist in balance. Sure, they ebb and flow over time, but overall they maintain some semblance of harmony. This is done through enabling eachother's existance. The darkness, or Lucifer, is known as the "bringer of light" because darkness is what gives light purpose. Lucifer is not the light itself, it's what allows the light to shine. On a similar note, where there is light/good, there is always those who wish to destroy. For some reason, darkness is compelled to consume the light (although you could also say that for some reason light is compelled to illuminate the darkness). Light and dark are equal and opposite of eachother.
If Lucifer is called the bringer of light because it allows light to shine, could God/good not then be called the bringer of darkness for enabling Lucifer to rebel, giving it something to consume? And if this is the case, what is truly good and what is truly evil? Lucifer is what makes God known/shine (it brings about light) and God is what makes Lucifer known/consume (it brings about darkness); perhaps there is no good and evil, perhaps there just is.
Is the best possible choice then just to observe? No matter how good you try to be, evil will always tag along in some capacity, and no matter how evil you try to be, the forces of good will always work against you.
There would be no Lucifer without God, no God without Lucifer, and no life if either was missing from the picture. We're lucky in that we get choice by being stuck in the mix of it all, we decide whether to serve the darkness or to serve the light and we can come up with our own reasoning for why we choose what we do (in most cases, until the force of biology comes into play). Based on what I've been talking about this whole time, there is no "right" choice. You can't get rid of any fundamental part of the whole, it all must exist in balanced unison for anything to be perceivable. Evil is a part of the package, is unavoidable, and actually is necessary.
So, God gives rise to darkness while Lucifer/darkness gives light something to shine on, i.e. Lucifer gives rise to light...could it then be said that immense destruction gives rise to profound growth and makes the good stand out even more? Could this be precisely why World Wars take place when they do: in times when immense change on a mass scale must occur, rapidly? Are we simply just at a critical, unavoidable point in the cycle?
I believe there are natural cycles of growth and destruction. Both are equally important, and both must occur in order for things to continue to progress. Of course things like mass murder and genocide are horrendous. I do not encourage them in any way, shape, or form; however, the existance of such phenomena shows us all how important goodness really is. So, one could say that destruction brings light/allows light to shine brighter. That's just the truth. It's a grim reality to come to grips with.
But maybe there's a way to break this rule, maybe things don't have to remain balanced? Maybe we can end violence and destruction for good? Maybe we could figure out how to maintain and dearly hold our value of love without needing destruction to show us how important it is? It's interesting to think about, but sadly, we never seem to learn. This makes me wonder if we're truly in control of anything. How come, no matter what, we always destroy great things? How come the greatest empires always fall? It all seems cyclical.
Destruction shows us the importance of peace and love, and peace and love gives rise to destruction over time. It's inevitable. "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain." That's just how it goes, I don't write the rules. People get corrupted over time, light fades, the sun sets...the important thing is the darkness doesn't last. Absence makes the heart grow fonder as they say; we naturally yearn for love, for light.
We were destined to destroy ourselves. Nothing good ever lasts. Thankfully, nothing evil ever lasts either. Collapse is inevitable, but life will flourish again eventually, although likely without us.
This is mostly just ramblings, though I hope at least some of it rings true with somebody.
Tl;dr: collapse is inevitable, good and evil are bound together indefinitely - maintaining balance, biology rules human behavior.
multiplecats@reddit
Very philosophical. Let it rip. "We're living on a planet in space, whatever those things are", as a friend of mine says. If you can find it, Toynbee's book series "Study of History" is well worth it, or just the abridged version to capture the salient points. I wish this guy was still around because he'd have a lot to say right now.
Just as an aside, Re: Lucifer, which is Venus the morning/dawn star: Here's a really fun and cool and short video that puts a great visual in the mind about how Venus appears to us to move - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69EJi2ugDOk It's no wonder our ancestors watched it and told stories about it. I love learning about how our ancient ancestors watched the stars.
analogyschema@reddit
As far as we know, human societies were more or less stable for millennia before the advent of the large-scale institutionalized hierarchies.
The idea that collapse is inevitable is at best a compensatory myth we use for comfort and to avoid critical self-reflection.
freedcreativity@reddit
Is collapse always inevitable? (Short)
NyriasNeo@reddit
"Is Collapse Always Inevitable?"
Yes. Every individual eventually dies. Every species eventually goes extinct. Every civilization eventually collapses. There is no exceptions. It is just a matter of when.
Not even the planet Earth and the sun will last forever. You cannot defeat the second law of thermodynamics.
Wollff@reddit
Unless of course you had any idea about biology and had taken even a glancing look at any social animals in their natural habitats out there. Then it is not at all obvious that this is the truth. It only seems obvious when you have no idea what you are talking about and let your biases color topics you don't know anything about.
I'll leave it at that, because I have very little hope that things will become better as your post goes on.
Geaniebeanie@reddit
I was along for the ride until you revved up the Lucifer/God good versus evil bit.
That’s not a part of my belief system; I’m not a good versus evil kinda person, so I can’t speak on that.
But I do want to say that everything is impermanent, no good guy versus bad guy needed. Just… easy come, easy go. We begin dying the moment we are born, collapse is just… speeding it up a bit.
reubenmitchell@reddit
I think this is is only a useful discussion point if you actually beleive in Good/evil/higher power. If you don't, then all I see is humanity being idiots. We just are not as smart as we think or want to beleive. I think humans have doomed ourselves to extinction I'm afraid. We have set in motion a landslide, one that seems small and slow right now, but suddenly we will realise to our horror the entire mountain is sliding, and we are going to be buried under millions of tons of rock, with no way to stop it.
I realize now why Elon wants to get to Mars so soon. He knows, the rich all know whats coming....