Skywest Contract?
Posted by SkurweHakskeen@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 21 comments
Applied, got the email with the link to the survey, completed that and the next email was a request for documents and contract to sign. 4000hrs TT, 2000 TPIC (King Air) Is it worth it in the current market, or will it be better to wait it out for a while? If I sign the contract before doing the interview and then do the interview and get a CJO and decline the offer in order to go somewhere else, am I technically still liable for the $80k?? Appreciate any advice.
Kindly-Industry-9289@reddit
I'ma be blunt. If you sign that contract at 4000 TT and 2000 TPIC you are stupid.
Wait for a major at least.
Fakiiri@reddit
2000 TPIC in a King Air doesn’t mean as much to a major as 121 SIC time. Plus, OP hasn’t mentioned if they have a degree or not, checkride failures etc. Telling them to wait for a major with the information provided is doing them a disservice.
Right-Suggestion-667@reddit
What about like commuter turboprops like the metro/1900 or transport emb120/saab 340?
Fakiiri@reddit
In applications you often see ”large aircraft” as being the point of interest, which is aircraft that weighs over 12,500 lbs.
Anphsn@reddit
It would seem like to me the big 5 would want to see PIC time in a transport category jet. Being a gulf stream captain for 2000 hours will look a lot different than PIC in a king air 200 for 2000 hours.
PM_ME_YOUR_FOQA@reddit
Unfortunately it’ll be looked at in same way as king air time. 120/340 maybe slightly better but not really. Marginal points on your application once that big TPIC box is checked. In either case any jet time will better. 121 jet time will be the best.
I came from the turbo-prop freight world and have seen some coworkers fall into the golden handcuffs of “hey, pay is ok, I’ll knock out my TPIC and then ____ will hire me”. Some were able to make the jump direct to ACMI or ULLC (this was during the pre Covid and during ‘22-‘23) but none went directly to the big 6.
NuttPunch@reddit
Will it? Those other aircraft listed require a type rating. If I'm correct the King Air or at least most variants of it do not. Type rating makes a difference.
FlyingAlliWant@reddit
Do you think after 1000 tpic in either the 120/340 one should go to a regional? Just wondering cause im working towards it and hopefully make the jump to acmi or ulcc next year. If anyone is hiring.
Former_Farm_3618@reddit
There’s a lot of signs that point towards majors not hiring for 12-18 months. That’s also if the economy keeps booming like it’s been that last 2-3 years. I think most of us feel there’s a correction coming, no one knows how big.. that’s way off topic.
But telling someone with possibly no 121 time, or true turbine time to wait for a major…I think that’s stupid honestly. Do we all think hiring is gonna be like it was last year? I can easily see once hiring starts the guys at regionals with 4000TT and 2000 (real) TPIC time will absolutely be first. My crystal ball is cloudy, so take my advice cautiously.
I can’t remember the details and if this is still happening. But does SkyWest have an agreement with United that you can get a seniority number once you upgrade to left seat?? Or did I totally make that up?
futurepilot32@reddit
I wish we could get a seniority number at UA after upgrading. In reality, it’s a restrictive program that prevents you from freely applying to UA. There’s no way around the “pathway program” if you’re employed by OO. You first have to interview and then build 1,600TPIC to even be considered by UA, and even then there’s no guarantees. No flow, no seniority number, nothing. And if you exceed the company annual average number of callouts, you’re disqualified (which by the way counts as one of your two lifetime attempts of interviewing at UA).
TLDR: it’s a total scam that keeps you locked at OO until at least 1600TPIC and penalizes pilots for calling out sick/emergency. If you want to go to UA, do not go to OO.
Magentaline69@reddit
Apply at F9.
nqthomas@reddit
I wouldn’t. F9 isn’t in a much better position than what NK is due to what I have heard.
NuttPunch@reddit
Going off their last few quarters, they're making more money than they did last year.
InGeorgeWeTrust_@reddit
Don’t sign the contract. That much time should get you anything else
Skynet_lives@reddit
If it’s worth it is a personal question. With your experience when hiring picks up more you would be competitive. But if you want the 121 time to move on to the legacies it could be worth it to move now. Since hiring is unlikely to pick up for another 12 to 18months.
Contract doesn’t start till IOE from what I understand. So as long as you decline before setting foot on property your okay, but read the fine print first for sure.
Slim_Jim722@reddit
Starts at Indoc not IOE
Skynet_lives@reddit
Thanks for the correction.
iwanttoflya747@reddit
Did you not even attempt to read the contract? It’s pretty clear what you can and cannot do. Why wouldn’t you read it, make a decision, interview and see if they give you a CJO, then over potentially the next 6-8 months while you wait for a class date you consider other places. If in that time you’ve managed to find not a single other company that’s interested in you, well then you have you answer.
Right-Suggestion-667@reddit
Did you apply anywhere else??????
Guysmiley777@reddit
That depends specifically on how the contract is worded. Read and understand stuff before you sign it, even if you need to pay for a couple of hours of a lawyer's time to consult.
rFlyingTower@reddit
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Applied, got the email with the link to the survey, completed that and the next email was a request for documents and contract to sign. 4000hrs TT, 2000 TPIC (King Air) Is it worth it in the current market, or will it be better to wait it out for a while? If I sign the contract before doing the interview and then do the interview and get a CJO and decline the offer in order to go somewhere else, am I technically still liable for the $80k?? Appreciate any advice.
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