how should we as Libertarian, handling the mentally health our people?

Posted by Antique_Promotion743@reddit | Libertarian | View on Reddit | 29 comments

I was discussing this topic with my friend and we agree that Republicans and Democrats always divert the issue to gun rights since they don't have the resources for better care.I mean a lot of criminal and mass shooter commit crime due they anxiety,fear or get proproganda form tribulism media/violent cult media drive people to madness, how should we as Libertarian address mental health of people while still being Libertarian and constitutional?

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Sledgecrowbar@reddit

Bring back bum fights.

Libertarian The More You Know sound

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datafromravens@reddit

What exactly is the government doing now for mental health? Aren't most mental health care workers private?

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SAmatador@reddit

Ever heard of a state hospital? There are also a number of resources required and provided through the court system.

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datafromravens@reddit

yeah get ride of them

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clockworkrockwork@reddit

How is mental health coeval with gun rights? Both exist apart from one another. Gun rights discussions might include discussions about mental health, and mental health discussions might occasionally bring up gun rights but Im failing to see the connection. This post is completely inane and I lost braincells trying to read it. I really hope you do not own guns.

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HODL_monk@reddit

Seriously mentally unwell people can be dangerous, guns amplify that danger 1000x. If someone is screaming and throwing stuff around their house, there is danger, but its pretty minor, this can, and is, often ignored. I had a mentally ill person living in another part of my condo, and we only bothered her when we saw she was heating her unit with an open fire in the center of a room, which was not designed for that, and could potentially burn down the entire structure. Her not having a gun allowed the rest of us to give her the freedom to live life as she wished, and not take her meds, if she didn't want to, until it threatened the rest of us. Guns in the hands of the truly mentally ill force us to deal with them harshly, and either lock them up, or force them to leave.

Now lets discuss the real issue, people that intentionally and knowingly hurt others with guns. We sometimes call this 'mental illness', but its really not. By calling mass shooters 'mentally ill', it conflates two issues. There are those that cant function in our society, and those that aggressively refuse to function in our society by the rules. Either way, it makes logical sense to take guns away from both groups, to avoid people getting hurt. The question is, would libertarians support this taking of gun rights, and WHOM should judge if someone is not mentally stable enough to own a gun, and WHOM should pay for this judgement ? I'm not sure if this issue has been addressed.

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Sharp_Ad2993@reddit

One idea:

I had a therapist that I had to drop when I move out of state. Why? Because he isn't licensed to operate outside of that state. Why on earth do we need licenses just for people to have someone to talk to? Abolish them, and maybe mental health will become more accessible.

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Gabbz737@reddit

Or just have a license cover on the country level not the state level. Ya still want some guarantee it's a professional and not a quack.

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CharlesEwanMilner@reddit

I think there should be private organisations that verify this but that it shouldn’t be necessary

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PangolinConfident584@reddit

I believe lack of education/critical thinking skill is mental illness.

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PangolinConfident584@reddit

If you address mental health, new people with mental issue will always pop up no matter how hard you try to eliminate it. The whole America Culture do contribute to mental issue.

For instance, when someone lose job unfairly. He/she can flip out under that duress and commit something (gun?).

When someone unexpectedly become mentally sick (schizophrenia or something) there limited access to mental heath service (because of lack of funding or not having health insurance). They have access to guns.

Etc etc etc. they all have access to gun. And we don’t know who in population has mental issue so it is futile to try to address mental illness while access to gun is so easier than getting Rx.

How will that be addressed?

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Free_Mixture_682@reddit

I think you might want to do a little research on your own about mental health. This is an immensely broad subject and deeply connected to the overall health care economy of the U.S.

And if you are unaware, the health care economy of the U.S. is fractured due to over a century of government intervention.

This is like asking ‘how do libertarians intend to deal with cancer’. The answer is not political. Libertarians want people with mental health problems or cancer or any other problem, to be able to obtain the care they need.

But we must recognize how that century+ of intervention has made obtaining that care more expensive and made us all more reliant upon third-party payers like insurance or government.

Ultimately, what the government has done through its intervention is made people more dependent upon additional government intervention (I would assert this is always a goal of government) while also limiting access to care which enriches a smaller number of providers who benefit from the regulatory state.

When these happen together, we have higher costs and the need for more resources to be expended by government to maintain more dependent people and those increased costs.

So if you seek a “solution” to mental health and to health care in general, the answer is always to start removing the layers of intervention like layers of an onion. Only then will you start to see changes that result in being able to provide affordable care to more people.

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Exciting_Vast7739@reddit

A lot of people mistake libertarianism for rugged individualism - but that's not how I see it.

There's a case to be made that voluntary community organizations aren't just a better way to solve problems than outsourcing things to the government.

They actually foster relationships and build real community. They help people feel less isolated and less helpless.

Some of the biggest symptoms of depression are loneliness, meaninglessness, and helplessness. Joining a volunteer fire department, taking part in a religious organization, helping your neighbor build a barn or tending to aging people can make you feel better about yourself and more connected to your community.

And if you need therapy, you can find or start a community organization to hire a therapist to help people in the community.

Government programs in the US have a history of being public relations showpieces for whoever is being elected - but the real work of mental health is done in communities, schools, and daycares. If you do want to be involved in government in a libertarian and constitutional way, get involved in your school board and support your daycare workers and teachers by making sure they have good wages and good working environments.

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Ok-Affect-3852@reddit

I’m more suspicious of the medication they are on rather than the disease itself. The correlation between mass shootings and psych meds (SSRI’s) is staggering. An interesting study would be to find the percentage of gun owners who commit mass shootings vs the percentage of psych med user who commit mass shootings. The government’s role in this issue is to be decreased in size and scope, for the pharmaceutical industry to be deregulated so we can have more competition and better treatments found, and for families, churches, and communities to take the lead on caring for those who need help.

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Gabbz737@reddit

What we should do is have a registry of all mental health professionals and their specialty. With contact phone number and address.

These professionals should be certified for the whole country, not by county or state. Their info should be on an easy to access government site so that the info can be found in one place. This site should be updated frequently. There should also be a status indicating if they are taking new patients. And while i think the health insurance system is a scam that should be abolished, until it is.... there should be a listing of which insurance each care provider takes.

This would make access to information a lot easier. Now to make access of care easier, a lot of people need rides. I think incentives for taxi companies , uber, and similar to provide discounted or free rides to mental healthcare would help. Make it a tax write off or something.

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UnoriginalUse@reddit

Thing is, to be able to be considered a moral being, you have to be capable of moral reciprocity, e.g. if something is right for you to do to me, it's also right for me to do that thing to you.

So when the mentally ill aggress against others we can either assume they're morally consistent and also aggress against them, or assume they're morally inconsistent and treat them like the dangerous primates they've shown themselves to be.

And in a more libertarian society, it does also help that there's way less interference with private charity to help the mentally ill, and there's way more private space to say "you can't act out your mental illness here".

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EGarrett@reddit

Yes, and people having more opportunities in life is much better for their mental health. Fewer mental health tissues *ahem*.

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Ixlyth@reddit

Allow mentally ill people to sue corporate media for liability.

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Leftyleftyy@reddit

Read the title of this post out loud

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pristine_planet@reddit

I don’t mean to be vague but just don’t see the point here. Some people will elect to become physicians and some of them will elect to treat mental health issues, and that would be completely outside of the government, and done deal. I am having problems directly relating that to gun control issues though.

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Honeydew-2523@reddit

Libertarianism is THE answer.

Doesn't sound right? We'll, because it's a buzzword. Reading through the foundation of Libertarianism one will learn that the idea centers around freedom. Those freedoms are ones taken from us by hierarchies. Add on the exploitation and victimhood we have to go through for generations. gaslit every bit of the way.

Libertarianism is THE answer. decentralize from a mulnipultive entity will bring euphoria

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rampants@reddit

DAOs are the answer.

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Honeydew-2523@reddit

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rampants@reddit

https://thenetworkstate.com/

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FellNerd@reddit

Psychologists still exist without government involvement

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PissOnUserNames@reddit

First I want to adress something you said. You should understand they could easily allocate the resources to adress mental health. Democrats and republicans both choose to ignor that to keep guns a hot button issue and a way to drum up votes and donations coming in.

Mental health care is currently stigmatized as only for crazy people. There have been great strides in undoing that stigma and seeing a therapist is becoming more common thats great but lots more need to happen. Mental health should be delt with same as physical health and private insurance either out of pocket or employment paid.

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