Does the Midwest have any similarities to the Northeast?
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BlackFoeOfTheWorld@reddit
My father's family is from Ohio, and I think the urban areas feel like upstate New York. Admittedly, I've had little time there, but it felt very familiar.
bigdipper80@reddit
Northeast Ohio was part of Connecticut for a while and if you know what to look for you can see that most of the cities in the region are very New England in their layouts and architecture.
ModernistDinosaur@reddit
I learned this recently, and a lightbulb went off for me. It explains a lot about why I like that area.
WayGroundbreaking787@reddit
I’m from Ohio and have family from Buffalo and feel the same way. I feel more affinity with Western Pennsylvania or upstate NY than the far western midwestern states I’ve never been to like Nebraska or Iowa.
FWEngineer@reddit
Makes sense in your case, since Ohio literally borders W. PA and upstate NY, while NE & IA are a thousand miles away.
DodgerGreywing@reddit
Nebraska ain't Midwest. That's a Plains state, like Oklahoma and the Dakotas. Iowa is the western edge of the Midwest. I will die on that hill.
AshTheGoddamnRobot@reddit
Cleveland I imagine?
BlackFoeOfTheWorld@reddit
Yeah! That whole area feels much more northeast than Midwest.
AshTheGoddamnRobot@reddit
I had a coworker from there who pronounced "daughter" how NY ppl do "dwotta"
El_Polio_Loco@reddit
Western NYers have a much more nasal and hard R accent.
Daughter is has a very DaahteR sound.
AshTheGoddamnRobot@reddit
I mean NYC ppl. Shes from Cleveland but says "daughter" like NYC, not like Buffalo, despite being geographically closer to Buffalo
This is one person from Cleveland idk how many Clevelanders do this. Lots of ppl have a local accent but a certain word they say thats out of place from the rest of their accent
El_Polio_Loco@reddit
With how americans move and media it's harder to really pin down local dialects anymore.
My wife, who has never even been to New Jersey, saws "Hot dawgs" and "Gawd"
Very jarring.
BlackFoeOfTheWorld@reddit
It was much more pronounced in the older generations. Probably just proximity to the European immigration patterns of the early 20th century.
AshTheGoddamnRobot@reddit
Oh she was a black woman born in probably '50s or '60s
I imagine maybe shes got close family from NY?
BlackFoeOfTheWorld@reddit
There's a town just south of there called Medina. My uncles laugh at me, because I say MeDEEna. It's pronounced MeDYEna. I just can't say it lol
TravelLegal6971@reddit
Yea I always felt like upstate New York, is more Midwest than northeast, culturally.
El_Polio_Loco@reddit
The great lakes were all settled around the same era. Which is why the region of NY from Lake Champlain down the Hudson River Valley is much more like New England than it is like the rest of NY.
Once the Erie Canal was built to open up the Midwest the expansion happened much more quickly, which is why Syracuse/Rochester/Buffalo are more similar to other Great Lakes/Midwest cities.
_vercingtorix_@reddit
Eh, there was a guy who mapped out something like the "11 nations of america" or something.
Basically anything in the same colour is culturally the same.
BeautifulSundae6988@reddit
I mean, major cities and farms. Somewhat similar climate.
I consider the divide between the Midwest and NE to be Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh is Midwest. Philadelphia and Scranton are NE.
lupuscapabilis@reddit
I grew up in Queens as a German American eating weinerschnitzel and drinking beer, and that’s what I did when I went to Milwaukee.
Intrepid_Figure116@reddit
There's also a neighborhood in Columbus called German Village
Intrepid_Figure116@reddit
Yes. Northeast Ohio has alot of comparisons with thw midwest.
im-on-my-ninth-life@reddit
The weather and that's about it.
Dbgb4@reddit
As I recall the traditional Congregational Church is specific to New England, Ohio, other parts of the Midwest, and the San Francisco area.
Basically, came to New England descending from the Puritan influence, then moved to the other places along with settlers from New England.
So in that sense similar.
neorealist234@reddit
If you live in illinois you have one big thing in common - high property taxes 😂
KR1735@reddit
Roughly the same mix of Mainstream Protestants and Catholics.
If we're talking upper midwest or the Great Lakes states, definitely more socially progressive especially when compared to the South.
Hockey is popular in both regions.
Both are familiar with the white stuff that falls from the sky in the winter.
No-Conversation1940@reddit
Trace amounts of it are falling right now, with more on the way tomorrow.
CupBeEmpty@reddit
Whooo boy and here I am in southern Maine and we haven’t seen any. It’s been a dry and un-snowy early winter.
FWEngineer@reddit
it's coming your way!
CupBeEmpty@reddit
My fam in Indiana and Chicago keeps threatening me but we haven’t seen it even though we normally get their weather a day or so later.
DodgerGreywing@reddit
Ugh, southern Indiana got snow today. Flurries, but it's there.
Jumpy-Figure-4082@reddit
this plus the same distaste for flashy shows of wealth.
SterileCarrot@reddit
…you do realize the East Coast is viewed as the part of the country that likes flashy shows of wealth? New York is just one gigantic flashy show of wealth. Trump is from there, for goodness’ sake.
FWEngineer@reddit
The wealthy part of NYC is not culturally the same as the general northeast area.
witch_andfamous@reddit
Lol you’re using Trump as your basis for the average wealthy East Coaster? Trump was considered gauche and tacky by most New Yorkers before he even went into politics. Trump Tower wasn’t considered nice and you can read about how the producers of The Apprentice went about making him seem like a respectable business man to the masses because that was not his reputation in NY at the time.
Los Angeles, SF, and Miami all have a culture of flashier wealth than NYC, and I say that as someone who has lived in both CA and NY. That whole “quiet luxury” and “old money” trend youre seeing on social media these last few years? That’s Northeast.
cryptoengineer@reddit
I used to live in NYC, and Trump was considered a douchebag going back into the 80s. SPY magazine famously trolled him for years, and hit the jackpot when they described him as a "short fingered vulgarian", which still makes him blow up. Fran Lebowitz calls him 'A poor person's idea of a rich person'.
TotallyNotGlenDavis@reddit
NYC isn't really flashy since no one can see your house or car. New England you have loaded people living in tiny old houses because of the history.
Bawstahn123@reddit
....you do know NYC-ers fucking hate Trump, right?
Mostly because he is a scamming bastard, but also because he is a gaudy tasteless classless prick.
Roadshell@reddit
And Trump is considered a tacky fool there because of it. The whole psychodrama of Trump is rooted in the fact that he was never accepted by the wealthy establishment there because of his gaudy nature and that he's been trying to get his revenge ever since.
AshTheGoddamnRobot@reddit
Nah. NYC is massive and has a lot of flashiness but its also more understated. New England is definitely NOT flashy. When I think of wealthy Connecticut old money WASPs, I do not think "flashy."
The Northeast is SNOOTY maybe, but not flashy. You want flashy, go to Florida or Nevada. Def Texas and California.
Jumpy-Figure-4082@reddit
It really isn't. There is some but for the amount of wealth that is there it is nothing. Trump is that faux money I have to pretend like I have it so people think I do and I can get more of it. I take it you have never been to Florida, or California?
joeydbls@reddit
Ya cocaine is pretty popular in both, but it comes from Columbia, not the sky .
An_Awesome_Name@reddit
I would also add that industries were historically similar.
Both areas used to be manufacturing powerhouses, and to some extent still are. The manufacturing sector has declined in both areas for sure, and more so in the Northeast, but to say it doesn’t exist anymore is straight up not true.
The US is still a manufacturing powerhouse, especially for complex products, and most of that manufacturing capacity is concentrated in the Midwest, and the Northeast.
Drew707@reddit
You mean Belushi's NYE party?
Primary_Ad_739@reddit
Midwest was where the NE off-shored before Mexico and China existed.
Tuokaerf10@reddit
Sure, you start seeing a lot more Subarus again when you hit Minnesota.
FWEngineer@reddit
A lot of Subarus in Colorado too. Northern Minnesota has connections with Washington state and Alaska, more so than the east.
Cicero912@reddit
The northeast was the rust belt 0.5, many many formerly great towns that have died over the past 150 years.
Lukey_Boyo@reddit
Pretty much all of New Jersey's major urban areas fell into pretty big decline that they're only now starting to get out of. Jersey City is doing pretty good these days, but Newark, Trenton, and Camden are all far past their glory days, and only Newark has shown any signs of improvement.
CupBeEmpty@reddit
Yeah mill towns in New England were the rust belt before the rust belt. It is cool to see some mill towns coming back with the mills getting converted to mixed use commercial/residential and smallish towns that actually have a fairly dense urban center.
In a lot of ways the old school mill town downtowns are like old school Midwest Main Streets.
FunECheeseOfficial56@reddit
i’d say with culture similar. eastern midwest states like indiana, ohio and even michigan are very reminiscent of northeastern/mid-atlantic states.
sammysbud@reddit
They don't season their food.
(saying this as a southerner... don't take it too personally, I beg...)
WokestWombat@reddit
Food in New York is well seasoned due to a high population of black people, Latinos and Asians.
sammysbud@reddit
Yeah NYC is a culinary anomaly to the rest of the Northeast. I've had some phenomenally seasoned food in NYC, and it was a product of the city and its history/identity of a city of immigrants.
But my comment was more directed towards the New England region, where things like "boiled dinner" and the "fluffernutter" are a thing. The clam chowders and lobster rolls I've had visiting up there are great, but they could be better with a solid shake of Tony's or Old Bay ;)
xivilex@reddit
Yeah I moved back to Iowa after living all over the country, and I just have to cook my own food nowadays. Thankfully there are foreign food markets where I can buy spices and stuff.
annaoze94@reddit
Corn flakes are seasoning damn it
CupBeEmpty@reddit
Heh, getting downvoted for the truth. Having lived in the Midwest and New England and frequently visiting the south, New England and the Midwest do tend toward a little more default bland even though all three regions have awesome food.
sammysbud@reddit
oh no... (clocking in at -4 votes)
they are taking it personally :(
44035@reddit
The Midwest is home to some incredible institutions of higher learning, just like the Northeast.
CupBeEmpty@reddit
I assume you mean OSU, Purdue, and IU because Michigan is devoid of decent universities 😘
annaoze94@reddit
U of M isn't an easy school to get into.
But yeah Northwestern and U of Chicago and Notre Dame are damn good schools. Anything under 20% acceptance is a really good school.
bigdipper80@reddit
U of M and Miami (Ohio) are both considered "public Ivies" and offer incredibly good education at public school prices (if you live in-state at least).
CupBeEmpty@reddit
I’m just talking shit. Both Michigan and Michigan State are really good especially depending on your major.
My family is like a Big 10 bingo card as far as schools go so there is a lot of smack talk between the big Midwest state schools with some private schools thrown in too.
Kevincelt@reddit
Harvard-the Michigan of the east. In my totally definitely not wolverine-indoctrinated opinion of course.
l3onkerz@reddit
Not really. Cleveland is probably the closest Midwest city culture wise to the north east.
Real-Psychology-4261@reddit
Cleveland is not in the Midwest.
CupBeEmpty@reddit
What? It is like core old school Midwest.
I’m curious what your definition is.
Real-Psychology-4261@reddit
Midwest is like Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Wisconsin, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, Indiana.
Great Lakes region is Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Western New York.
The Great Plains are North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Northern Texas, eastern Colorado, eastern Montana, eastern Wyoming, western Minnesota, and western Iowa.
CupBeEmpty@reddit
You have a very different conception of the Midwest than actual midwesterners. Indiana but not Ohio?
Real-Psychology-4261@reddit
Indiana is west of Ohio, right?
CupBeEmpty@reddit
The Midwest before the Louisiana Purchase my friend
annaoze94@reddit
Have you ever seen a map?
Real-Psychology-4261@reddit
Cleveland is Great Lakes region, not Midwest. There’s more nuance.
Noctuella@reddit
Wisconsin was settled in large part by Yankees so I assume there's some cultural overlap.
KindAwareness3073@reddit
No seafood in the midwest.
NomadLexicon@reddit
Fried fish is a huge part of Wisconsin culture, though it’s not seafood if we’re being technical.
KindAwareness3073@reddit
I've had it at purportedly some of the best restaurants. Freshwater fish is feh. It's really about the breading, not the fish.
annaoze94@reddit
When I lived in Chicago I was completely amused that Navy Pier hosted a lobster fest every summer. Like I'm sure it's all fine and well refrigerated and everything but people don't go to Lake Michigan for lobster.
People go to a fish fry at a church basement or a VFW hall every Friday during Lent for some really good perch, crayfish, catfish and bluegill.
KindAwareness3073@reddit
Freshwater fish. Feh.
CantaloupeTop4480@reddit
This. I lived in Maryland most of my life but was born in Ohio. I would never order a crab cake from Ohio.
KindAwareness3073@reddit
I travel a lot for business and have a restaurant ordering rule: no seafood more than 100 miles from the coast.
Even if they get it fresh they don't know how to cook it.
Nodeal_reddit@reddit
Yes. Migration traditionally happened in horizontal bands east to west. Northern Ohio is much more northeastern. Southern Ohio, where I live, is practically Southern.
annaoze94@reddit
And all of Indiana is practically Southern
DodgerGreywing@reddit
You ain't wrong. There's a lot of Confederate flags around my town. "Heritage, not hate." Bro, we were a Union state.
NomadLexicon@reddit
Much of the Southern character of Ohio and Indiana is relatively recent—there was a mass migration out of rural Appalachia into adjacent industrial regions of the Midwest around the 40s-60s (the “Hillbilly Highway”) alongside the parallel Great Migration of blacks from the Deep South into Northern cities.
A_BURLAP_THONG@reddit
Here's one: For whatever reason, Wisconsin and Rhode Island are the only places that get their water in public from a "bubbler"
And another interesting one: With Thanksgiving coming up, you might be eating something with cranberries. Chances are, those cranberries either came from Wisconsin or Massachusetts.
El_Polio_Loco@reddit
The further west you go in the north east the more midwestern it is.
Central and Western NY are nearly indistinguishable from Michigan, both geologically and culturally.
cthulhu_on_my_lawn@reddit
The biggest similarity is definitely climate. They are both four season areas with hot summers and cold winters. Parts of Pennsylvania and New York are Northeast but also rust belt and also Great Lakes.
steveofthejungle@reddit
Chicago and Boston are similar in the sense that they both have a chip on their shoulder against New York
ScatterTheReeds@reddit
No, they don’t.
annaoze94@reddit
But of the three, Chicago is the only one that can properly pronounce the letter R.
Almajanna256@reddit
Both overlap with the Rust Belt and neither are in the South. The MW is more rural and traditional, the NE is more urban and fashionable. Also depends on section. Ohio and Pennsylvania are similar. South Dakota and Maine are different. Same climate, but the MW is flat and full of lakes; the NE is hilly and densely forested. Politically the NE is much bluer but there are exceptions. Pennsylvania went red, Illinois went blue.
CupBeEmpty@reddit
“Urban and fashionable” heh, until you get north of Boston or west of Boston.
Almajanna256@reddit
I mean the patterns are only generalities. Obviously Chicago is more in touch pop culture than the backwoods of Maine.
CupBeEmpty@reddit
Oh boy, if you get into the Maine backwoods the question really becomes “what the hell is pop culture.”
It’s mostly folks working and potentially splitting logs for the wood stove.
AshTheGoddamnRobot@reddit
Illinois didnt go blue, its mostly always blue. Same with Minnesota
Almajanna256@reddit
I never implied it was abnormal, but I can see why you thought that I did.
AshTheGoddamnRobot@reddit
Yea you said "went" and it reads to me like if it was a different direction than usual lol
Almajanna256@reddit
Okay, I'm gonna edit it then.
Rhomya@reddit
Massachusetts and Minnesota have more in common than people think.
Love of hockey. Shit weather. Love of fall weather and foliage. Spooky shit (Salem and Anoka). Ridiculous accents. A somewhat standoffish and insular people that are actually very nice.
annaoze94@reddit
Midwesterners have never been known to be standoffish. You are invited to our potluck within 5 minutes of meeting you and if we heard that your dad died 5 years ago we're still sending over a casserole as soon as we possibly can.
Rhomya@reddit
In Minnesota, we have a phrase to describe us.
“Minnesotans will give you directions to everywhere but their house”.
It’s actually a very common complaint of new residents from other states that they have a very hard time making friends and meeting people in Minnesota. That’s what I met by standoffish. We have our friends for life before we graduate, and rarely add many more after that
Tommy_Wisseau_burner@reddit
Winters suck
annaoze94@reddit
From Chicago and I live in LA and winters in LA are somehow way more miserable because it's just straight up 40° and rain that floods the streets and causes landslides after like a quarter inch falls. There's no thunder for a cozy thunderstorm like ever, I've been here for years and I think I've heard three rumbles of thunder total.
There's at least a 30° temperature difference everyday, like it'll get down to 39° at night and then be 75° in the afternoon so you don't know what the hell to wear, And just because it's 55° out doesn't mean you can't get a sunburn. None of the homes here have proper insulation from heat or cold. And yes there's potholes there's so many potholes.
I would MUCH rather have winter In the Midwest or Northeast. Sure I have to shovel the driveway and put on a whole ass winter coat but at least it's predictable.
CupBeEmpty@reddit
And the desperate road work in late fall to try and get it done before the weather turns.
annaoze94@reddit
This is my perspective from someone from Chicago and it's suburbs, as well as Indiana.
Proper fall/autumn like with leaves changing colors and stuff. Chicago has good public transportation like a lot of cities in the Northeast do. A good amount of Irish, Polish, and Italian people as well. We celebrate St Patrick's Day. I live in Los Angeles now, nobody even talks about St Patrick's Day out here.
The Bears hate the Packers like the Red Sox hate the Yankees.
Lake affect snow (places like Michigan, Indiana and Ohio, but also places like Buffalo, NY and Erie, PA. and winter storms like nor'easters that aren't called that.
Current_Poster@reddit
Weather, in some ways.
There was, historically, a bunch of out-migration from New England to parts of the Midwest, but someone with more expertise would have to say how much cultural footprint it made.
AshTheGoddamnRobot@reddit
Minnesota was historically called "New England of the West." We were founded by New Englanders (and Canadians) and even nowadays a lot of subtle cultural similarities. Similar politics, though rural MN outside the Iron Range is more conservative, the eastern part of the state, even some rural areas, are more liberal. A higher emphasis on higher education, collectivism, a history of milling and lumber industries. Protestant base with sizeable Catholic urbanism (Saint Paul)
And we love Subarus, hockey and fall foliage
CupBeEmpty@reddit
Don’t forget that Maine isn’t all seacoast, we love our lakes too. They are actually pretty similar with rocky forested shores. The only sad part is we don’t have pike and walleye in the lakes.
c1m9h97@reddit
"In some ways" I believe is an accurate assessment. I've lived in both and I would say the Midwest does usually get way colder (extreme negative degrees in winter)
Deep_Contribution552@reddit
Colin Woodard (in his widely-discussed book American Nations) considers both the Northeast and the Great Lakes/Upper Midwest to be mostly “Yankeedom”- when the population of the Upper Midwest started growing rapidly many of the settlers originated from the Northeast, roughly Pennsylvania up through New England, and so there were clear cultural and familial links between the two areas. This is in opposition to the “Lower Midwest”, where there were migration pathways of Virginia-West Virginia-Ohio, Virginia-Kentucky-Indiana/Illinois, and Virginia/Carolina-Tennessee-Missouri that predominated instead.
Today the religious landscape still follows those trends pretty well, and some cultural/political attitudes also match the historical patterns, but I think the linkages are weakening. In a different way, there’s been a shared deindustrialization experience in the midsize and large cities of the Midwest and the midsize cities of the Northeast, so the urban economic situation and the outward migration from these “Rust Belt” places look similar.
In suburbia and rural areas it seems like a cultural ties with the south and west are getting stronger in the Midwest pretty much everywhere, in a way that differs from the trends in New England (but maybe not in the mid-Atlantic).
Redbubble89@reddit
No not from my experience. Buffalo being a lake city might have some similarities. The rest of New England is completely different.
AshTheGoddamnRobot@reddit
Disagree, I think theres a lot in common.
Buffalo obviously has more in common with the Midwest compared to Philly or Boston. But the differences arent as stark as say, the Midwest is South or Northeast vs South.
Northern industrial cities, bucolic farmland, thick forests in the north, though the Northeast has more forests overall. Shared shorelines on the Great Lakes, a border with Canada, strongly Catholic urban areas.
obtusername@reddit
Similarities in what way? The cultural differences between states and regions of the US are still vaguely present, but aren’t extremely different, imo. Corporatism and consolidation, franchising, and consistent reliable patterns in zoning and development has lead to many small/medium urban areas looking and feeling pretty similar across the board. So yeah, the MW and NE have more in common than not. The NE has more cities and good seafood, but the MW has cities, too, and much more rural farmland, but that’s all obvious.
AshTheGoddamnRobot@reddit
I feel the Great Lakes tie both regions together.
AshTheGoddamnRobot@reddit
Absolutely. Much of the Midwest was settled by Northeasterners that moved further West.
We are both part of the "North." We get all 4 seasons. The Midwest is a lot more conservative these days but it used to be more solidly democrat. Now only Illinois and Minnesota are reliably democrat. But Pennsylvania has become swingy too.
Theres a general similar accent in the Great Lakes region. Folks from Minnesota may sound similar to folks from western New York.
InuitOverIt@reddit
I live in the Northeast and have travelled often to the midwest. It's largely the same, a bit more religious in the midwest but that's depending on who you're talking to. Food seems to be worse there but maybe everybody thinks that when they leave home.
MarcatBeach@reddit
Yes in theory but no because the Northeast the density is higher so the cultures merged over time.
warneagle@reddit
As a southerner who has lived in both places they’re both cold as shit
No-Conversation1940@reddit
Early season baseball games where you feel like getting up and shuffling your feet a bit because it's so damn cold and damp out
JoeSicbo@reddit
No.
titianwasp@reddit
Came here to say that.
JimBones31@reddit
Climate, sometimes national origin of immigrants.