Donald Trumр set to recognise African state as official country, says ex-Tory minister after holding talks
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OkBubbyBaka@reddit
A self-governing, actual democracy in the horn of Africa for decades. Somaliland is very much in order to be recognized, in its controlled borders not claimed, just as Kosovo is.
Artistic_Mouse_5389@reddit
Redditors when balkanization 🤤🤤🤤
lewllewllewl@reddit
I love self-determination
italianNinja1@reddit
Of the sami people too? Or only when this happens outside of Europe
Kuukkeli123@reddit
Sami people are a very small minority. It’s as simple as that.
Ninindy@reddit
I wonder why
Sodi920@reddit
All 3 of them? Sami are a small minority virtually everywhere in the Nordic countries.
fxmldr@reddit
Yes. There's nothing of value in the north anyway.
Okay, obviously I'm being facetious, but genuinely... While I am personally not, you know, in favor of Balkanization - if I felt for some reason that my group should be independent, I would like that to be respected. It would seem hypocritical to deny that for others.
italianNinja1@reddit
Interesting so you are a supporter of the independence of catalonia? Basques? Greenland? Cecenia? Eastern regions of Baltic states? Padania?
fxmldr@reddit
On general principle, yes. I don't know enough about some of those to respond. I know if I were Scottish, I would prefer independence - certainly following Brexit. Greenland - well, I think personally I would prefer to remain part of Denmark, but I may be biased as I lived in Denmark for a few years and loved it.
italianNinja1@reddit
And tell me in all of your time that you lived did you ever asked to a person from greenland Greenland what they thinked about independence or you just assumed that they had your same experience? Because I know for sure that danish people weren't exactly kind with the local population, exactly like Norwegians were assholes with Sami people. Just as a general suggestion don't support something that you don't understand and don't be against to something you don't understand
fxmldr@reddit
I'm not sure why you're being weirdly hostile about what I wrote, but, like...
So, exactly what I said.
I explicitly said this was my opinion based on my experience, and I'm not sure why you're even implying it's anything but that.
This is just kinda weird, dude.
italianNinja1@reddit
Dude i am not going to argue, but you clearly said that you had great time in Denmark. You were implying that because you had a good experience everybody must had it. Now you are going to say "no no you misunderstood me....", but I am aware enough and I know to read between lines. Said that have a good day
fxmldr@reddit
Yeah, I thought it was pretty much understood that when I said "personally" I meant "personally", but I'll try to be more clear in the future.
italianNinja1@reddit
"personally" when we talk about people that you are not part of?
fxmldr@reddit
What an utterly insane claim lmao
italianNinja1@reddit
Man read again your messages again, you are the hypocrite here not me. Said that have a good day
wailll@reddit
you’re making no sense lol. Someone can be supportive of the right to self determination while also having their own personal preferences.
italianNinja1@reddit
Whatever you say, Today I learned that larping is normalized in this subreddit
wailll@reddit
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the original commenter was talking about lol. There is no larping in that comment
italianNinja1@reddit
I am not going to answer to other comments. If you think that I didn't understand good for you lol. Just let it end here by saying that we agree to disagree
fxmldr@reddit
I'm a hypocrite because I support, in principle, every group's right to self-determination but if I were from Greenland I'd prefer to remain part of Denmark? And somehow that means I don't support what I support? This is lunacy, dude.
I mean, you're not even strawmanning me. You're just making shit up. Shit that doesn't make sense. Like, from what I can tell we don't even have a disagreement, you just decided to make up some shit in order to have an argument. Fucking bizarre shit.
Maardten@reddit
Then why are you arguing?
italianNinja1@reddit
Random guy that have nothing to say to the conversation have been summoned. I just said that for me after that message the conversation could be considered ended, but he replied so the conversation continued.
FargoFinch@reddit
Well yes they have their own parliament.
italianNinja1@reddit
Oh wow so they can have relations with other countries? Oh no they can't without the approval of Denmark
BuffRascality@reddit
Then, respect the wishes of the people living in Awdal and SSC who favour remaining a part of Somalia.
EternalAngst23@reddit
You mean, the breakaway Somalia is what the actual Somalia should be? How egregious!
ExArdEllyOh@reddit
And, let's be honest, we could do with an ally in that region at the moment.
Full_Distribution874@reddit
This would support Ethiopia to make a port deal with Somaliland to get unlandlocked.
Otto_von_Boismarck@reddit
Ethiopia exists and is a strong US ally what do you mean...
ExArdEllyOh@reddit
Ethiopia is landlocked.
Otto_von_Boismarck@reddit
Doesn't matter, it has Djibouti. Which is also a US ally.
Otto_von_Boismarck@reddit
The thing is somalia isn't a drawn up state. It was artificially split by colonial powers. Somaliland only wants to be separate because historically it was a british rather than italian colony. But the two countries are the same ethnically
as_kostek@reddit
Germany and Austria are the same ethnically, yet they chose to be two separate countries and continue being so successfully. What is your argument here?
Otto_von_Boismarck@reddit
Worst argument you could've given. They did NOT choose to be separate, joining Germany was overwhelmingly popular among austrians after ww1 until around the 1960s. They were legally not allowed to join it by the entente.
as_kostek@reddit
Oh yeah because the entire history of Germany and Austria is just the last houndred years right
Otto_von_Boismarck@reddit
You have to be obtuse or just plain dumb. Before then this thing called the Holy Roman Empire existed,not a thing called Germany. And in said Holy Roman Empire were, you guessed it, both Austrians and Germans as one group. The Austrian identity as distinct from German is only a thing since the post-ww2 era. Nationalism in general is a fairly new concept.
PerunVult@reddit
That kind of split can result in hard to reconcile differences. There's plenty of examples of foreign occupation causing de-facto cultural split. Even just within Europe. Frankly, by that measure Europe would probably be like 10 or 15 countries because a whole bunch of European nations exist because common ethnicity at some point split culturally for one reason or another.
This means that even if they are of the same ethnicity, it doesn't mean they aren't better off separate now.
Otto_von_Boismarck@reddit
I don't really care. The original commenter said it was "drawn up" implying the state is ethnically different and was only together because of colonial policies, that's simply not the case here.
BuffRascality@reddit
Stop swallowing the propaganda and actually read the news coming out of the region. Somaliland doesn't even control a third of its claimed territories and hasn't done for over two years now. The people living in SSC overwhelmingly reject the balkanisation of the Somali state.
OkBubbyBaka@reddit
Did you read my comment? I explicitly left an exception for that group because they don’t want to be part of Somaliland.
arinawe@reddit
Politely, fuck off
keyboardbill@reddit
Are we really still so insistent on ignorance that we can't put the name of the territory in the title? This is not directed at this sub, but rather at corporate media. It's just astonishing that they still, in 2024, promote ignorance on any and everything sub-saharan Africa. Like, just imagine this title for an article about any other continent.
Reddit_means_Porn@reddit
Settle down. They surely did it so you’d click in.
Justin__D@reddit
Joke's on them. Do they not know the reddit way?
You read the title, then the comments until you find the one that gives it away.
Somaliland, for anyone else who wants to skip the BS.
Sakuran_11@reddit
Exactly, its like those “commits terrible crime” titles, its just to get you to click and will never change as it gets enough who want to know what the terrible crime was.
PaleInTexas@reddit
I like how you wrote this and also couldn't mention the name of the territory.
DaleTheHuman@reddit
I like how you didnt name the territory either.
BuzLightbeerOfBarCmd@reddit
I like how you didn't name Swaziland either
_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_@reddit
You mean eSwatini?
Kim-Meow-Un@reddit
The tiny blob engulfed by South Africa?
itcheyness@reddit
Isn't that Lesotho?
Kim-Meow-Un@reddit
Ah yeah, you're right. "Engulfed" is not the correct term here since Eswatini is also bordered by Mozambique. More like almost engulfed.
Beamboat@reddit
For some reason, I read this in the same voice as the 'Houtini' sound from the Jawas in Star Wars.
haberdasher42@reddit
I'm appalled that you named Swaziland. You sonofabitch.
PaleInTexas@reddit
I didn't want to break tradition.
MaximilianClarke@reddit
This is why you should read the article and not just rely on titles as your primary source. TLDR, it’s Somaliland, northern Somalia on the Horn.
keyboardbill@reddit
Went right over the top huh.
MaximilianClarke@reddit
Just like a title
StatementOk470@reddit
Yeah imagine if a country called itself, say… America. 👀
Common-Second-1075@reddit
They left it out as click bait.
If anything, they're enticing people to educate themselves by reading the article rather than just the headline.
Pure-Drawer-2617@reddit
Do they tend to do it with European or Asian countries as well? “Trump seeks to place tariffs on EVs from mystery Asian nation!”
Common-Second-1075@reddit
Sometimes, yes. It depends what it is. It wouldn't be unusual at all to see a headline that reads 'The US has entered into a security pact with one of the world's largest countries' and they're referencing India in the Quad.
SG508@reddit
I think they just want you yo click on the article
ChaosKeeshond@reddit
Oh look, Tories committing treason again, unelected politicians working with foreign powers to subvert the democratically elected government's policies.
Off to the gallows with the cunts.
saracenraider@reddit
I seriously doubt Labour would give this issue more than five minutes of consideration
PerunVult@reddit
That comment makes me wonder. Does UK have laws criminalizing that behaviour? USA apparently has Logan Act (even if it appears dead right now), but does UK have an equivalent? It certainly sounds like something that SHOULD be on the books, but is it?
ChaosKeeshond@reddit
As far as I know, we don't. We have laws against treason but AFAIK that requires the foreign interest to be recognised as the 'enemy'. So there would need to be evidence of one of our best allies working against our interests in a hostile manner, and we'd need to prove the suspect knew of those hostilities, in order to even make the case that their actions were treasonous.
So yeah... morally, I see no distinction. Legally, it's a huge leap even with evidence.
water_bottle1776@reddit
Unless things have radically changed there, as I recall the reason that the government of Somaliland hasn't declared full independence was that their largest minority tribe, the Afars, were going to rebel if they did so because they didn't trust the majority tribe, the Issas, to ensure their rights. So, the limnal state was what largely kept the peace. I hope things have changed otherwise this may just be added to the pile of reasons that Trump is still a bad idea.
Xtermix@reddit
Theres no Afars in somaliland region, they live in Djibouti. Also this guy is a paid lobbyist
Foolishium@reddit
Somalia need to recognize Israel to prevent Trump from recognizing Somaliland. Trump recognized Moroccoan sovereignity over Western Sahara after Morocco recognized Israel and sign Abraham Accords.
BambooSound@reddit
I don't think they're bitch-made enough to do what the Moroccans did.
jamesandflint@reddit
Hot take , that is you - for speaking on behalf of people you never met
Mysticalnarbwhal2@reddit
They aren't speaking for other people. They stated their thoughts.
BambooSound@reddit
Do you not know what the word 'I' means?
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