When two people are arguing on Reddit, they should be able to call for a vote about who is right

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dirty_cheeser@reddit

Idk if "right" exists. Truth is an illusionary tool to gain power.

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KMCobra64@reddit

What??? Truth exists, full stop. There is only one truth. Sometimes it's easy to discern and other times we struggle to understand but that doesn't stop there from being one objective reality.

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Agreed, but that truth is incomprehensibly large and are brains are too limited to comprehend it. There's either infinite or a huge number of propositions you can make. The ones you focus on say more than the actual claims.

To give an example, suppose I'm giving someone an interview for a job. I could ask character questions, I could ask puzzles, or I could ask technical questions... Which is the best? idk. To figure that out we need to take the next step and measure objective truth about outcomes. But are we measuring best by best for the interviewer, the applicant, the firm, the consumer, the society or some other parties? Then for whatever combination of parties we choose to focus on, how do we determine good? Wealth, happiness, longevity, risk minimization...? You can make objective truth claims for a simple question like what is the best question to asking a job interview only after agreeing on numerous simplifications based on assumptions and personal preferences.

So technically, I agree with you. But in practice, I don't.

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Turbulent-Name-8349@reddit

There is a saying, a very famous saying. "Never argue with an idiot. People won't know the difference."

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DaveMTijuanaIV@reddit

The problem is that Reddit is quite abnormal and atypical in its moral outlook, ethical perspective, and honestly its extreme lack of practical intelligence and exceedingly low level of just generally knowing what in the hell the users are talking about.

Just in my own case (and I only provide all this for context…sorry if I come off like a douche) I am a professional history and philosophy teacher who also teaches Catholic theology. I have four college degrees, have been named teacher of the year, and got a perfect score on the social studies licensure exam and scores in the 99th percentile on the Miller Analogies Test. I don’t know everything and I’m not a super genius, but I’m also not an idiot and I do know a little about a few things. That said, the number of times I have been unequivocally right about things in my exact fields of expertise, only to be downvoted into oblivion by people who are confidently wrong (and not even cleverly so) is impressive.

So…your system wouldn’t really resolve who was right in arguments, but whose view was more popular on Reddit, which very likely could mean the opposite.

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GrandmaSlappy@reddit

Isn't that just what upvotes and downvotes are for?

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Imajzineer@reddit

Yes and no.

The voting system on Reddit isn't (or rather wasn't originally) a like/agree vs dislike/disagree indicator but a 'contributes/doesn't contribute to the discussion' indicator - the idea being that 'the wisdom of the crowd' would mean the best posts and replies would 'bubble up to the top'. So, it's entirely possible, therefore, for me to vehemently disagree with someone's perspective whilst upvoting something because it nevertheless raises a significant point (thereby contributing positively to the value of the discussion).

In principle, however, you are right, yes, in that the idea ... were the voting system based around 'dis/agree' ... would already be exactly what the OP is suggesting and their idea redundant.

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