Logging Flight Instructor hours from another aircraft?
Posted by TheNiceGuyNate@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 15 comments
I haven't been able to find an answer for this so I'm curious to see how everyone else interprets this situation.
I'm an Air Force Instructor Pilot and often instruct students airborne while we're both operating 2 separate planes in formation. In this case is it okay to log both solo AND flight instructor hours (my logbook has it listed "As flight instructor," but I've also seen it listed as "Dual given")?
This Air Force's standard answer is to still log Instructor hours, even while solo in a formation, as long as another Instructor wasn't in the student's cockpit giving instruction at the same time (the student was flying solo).
AfroKaeos@reddit
I logged IP/CFI time for all flights in which I acted as an evaluator or provided some kind of instruction including flight leads when the student was dual or solo. So nearly every flight during my IP tour.
I had my logbooks digitized by Anytime Logbooks and their guidance was “any flight as a qualified instructor.” For Navy IP specifically it was “must be: PIC, during range of dates as Training Command or Fleet Replacement Squadron IP in qualified aircraft (not IUT time), after winging, and NOT ferry, Red Air, IP Proficiency, or Maintenance FCF flights.” I also logged IP time when evaluating newer pilots during fleet syllabus flights in a single-seat squadron.
Also, their guidance for logging solo was “any flights before winging without another human in the aircraft. (Sole occupant before qualified. Never tracked after winging). Only in flight school.”
For what it’s worth, that’s what I presented when I interviewed on the 121 side and I had no issues. There may be different guidance on the AF side, but a good source would probably be the guys getting out or any reservist IPs in your command.
tedybearofdoom@reddit
What's your goal? Logging hours for a future airline career? Air Force wise, log it at IP time or whatever your SARM/401 says. If you log it as IP time or PAA time in general I would imagine it's still PIC time in a single seater and doesn't matter for an airline app in terms of hours. Idk anything about airline time and how they view IP hours vs primary.
finevisionz@reddit
I'm sorry I can't help you, but, I would love some more information on how you became and instructor pilot for the Air Force!
Foxtrot20013@reddit
Are the students logging their time as dual received? I would think it wouldn't make sense to log dual given when the student is solo and not logging time as dual revieved.
alphamonkey27@reddit
r/flying wake up, New cfi initial hypothetical just dropped
CluelessPilot1971@reddit
"Instruction given" (or time as CFI) is not regulatory, i.e. on FAR 61.51 there are instructions as to logging solo time, PIC time, SIC time, instruction received and simulator time. There are no details as to when you can/cannot log instruction given time.
RamenSchmoodle@reddit
Wouldn’t this be a violation of 91.109(a). Unless there’s an exception for Military
phliar@reddit
(a) No person may operate a civil aircraft ...
RamenSchmoodle@reddit
Good point
VFR_Direct@reddit
I don’t log it when I’m the lead in a form flight. I log it if I’m in the same ac as the student, but when it’s a solo event, I just don’t log it because it seems easier to defend “you could have logged this and chose not to?”
VFR_Direct@reddit
I don’t log it when I’m the lead in a form flight. I log it if I’m in the same ac as the student, but when it’s a solo event, I just don’t log it because it seems easier to defend “you could have logged this and chose not to?”
ASELtoATP@reddit
Yeahhhhhhh I’d be REAL hesitant to put that in my logbook and explain that to a hiring committee. Next thing you know CFIs are gonna be teaching their students with a handheld radio and logging the time.
KCPilot17@reddit
Yes, you still log instructor time.
EliteEthos@reddit
You’re not an FAA certified instructor.
The answer to your question is in AFIs and best asked to local leadership.
rFlyingTower@reddit
This is a copy of the original post body for posterity:
I haven't been able to find an answer for this so I'm curious to see how everyone else interprets this situation.
I'm an Air Force Instructor Pilot and often instruct students airborne while we're both operating 2 separate planes in formation. In this case is it okay to log both solo AND flight instructor hours (my logbook has it listed "As flight instructor," but I've also seen it listed as "Dual given")?
This Air Force's standard answer is to still log Instructor hours, even while solo in a formation, as long as another Instructor wasn't in the student's cockpit giving instruction at the same time (the student was flying solo).
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