SPL operate a regular aircraft when PPL is PIC
Posted by imitt12@reddit | flying | View on Reddit | 8 comments
Another hypothetical question in a similar vein as my others.
Pilot A (me) will have SPL and Class B, C, D endorsement. Pilot B (friend) has PPL and IR. Hypothetical scenario is Pilot A wants to take a trip with his spouse and Pilot B. Spouse is a passenger, Pilot B will be PIC and will have rented a normal GA aircraft, probably a 172. After previous perusal of the FARs I understand that it is legal for any person to fly the plane, pilot license or not, as long as a properly rated pilot is acting as PIC. For the purposes of this trip, Pilot A will not be acting as PIC or logging any flight time as Pilot B is not a CFI, but legally is there anything that would disallow Pilot A from taking controls for any portion of the trip? As far as I can tell there isn't, but I may be wrong.
Secondary/part 2 question, based on what I have seen, PIC does not necessarily refer to the pilot at the controls of the aircraft. It is a designation for whoever has primary responsibility for the safety of the aircraft and occupants. Am I correct?
cazzipropri@reddit
Part 1. Pilot A can manipulate the controls as much as they want, if Pilot B acts as PIC.
Part 2. It's complicated. There's acting PIC vs. logging PIC vs. being the primary manipulator of the controls. Rivers of ink have been poured to explain the differences between these three.
astral1289@reddit
Part 2 is not complicated. There’s two PIC things, acting and logging. Since we are talking about logging, OP/Pilot A would have to be the sole manipulator of the controls (yes), and rated for category and class (no). So no, Pilot A cannot log PIC time.
Mispelled-This@reddit
Do Sport pilots not get category/class ratings?
__joel_t@reddit
Pilot B's rental agreement might prohibit Pilot A from touching the controls. Not a legal requirement, but a contractual one.
Mispelled-This@reddit
Definitely check the contract, but I’ve never seen that clause in one.
InGeorgeWeTrust_@reddit
pilot a can fly it’s fine as long as B is okay with it.
Acting PIC doesn’t really count for anything.
Whoever is PIC is PIC for the whole flight. That’s pilot B. They are always responsible for the safety of passengers and the flight even if A is manipulating the controls. For example, regardless of who’s flying, if you crash it’s on pilot B.
bhalter80@reddit
Pilot A is a passenger they can do anything they want but Pilot B will be 1000% responsible for their actions.
Being legal PIC is different from logging PIC as sole manipulator of the controls provided you are rated for the aircraft. Because pilot A is not rated in the aircraft they cannot log PIC unless they are solo with the proper endorsements
rFlyingTower@reddit
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Another hypothetical question in a similar vein as my others.
Pilot A (me) will have SPL and Class B, C, D endorsement. Pilot B (friend) has PPL and IR. Hypothetical scenario is Pilot A wants to take a trip with his spouse and Pilot B. Spouse is a passenger, Pilot B will be PIC and will have rented a normal GA aircraft, probably a 172. After previous perusal of the FARs I understand that it is legal for any person to fly the plane, pilot license or not, as long as a properly rated pilot is acting as PIC. For the purposes of this trip, Pilot A will not be acting as PIC or logging any flight time as Pilot B is not a CFI, but legally is there anything that would disallow Pilot A from taking controls for any portion of the trip? As far as I can tell there isn't, but I may be wrong.
Secondary/part 2 question, based on what I have seen, PIC does not necessarily refer to the pilot at the controls of the aircraft. It is a designation for whoever has primary responsibility for the safety of the aircraft and occupants. Am I correct?
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