Ukraine fires UK-made Storm Shadow missiles at targets inside Russia for first time
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VintageGriffin@reddit
They have been doing those things for a while now, just without telling anyone. And seeing as how it takes the western ISR to identify targets, and their own domestic techs to enter their coordinates into the navigation systems the West can't claim they had no idea about them doing it.
So if you pay for the weapons, provide the weapons, identify the targets, point those weapons in the direction of those targets, and tell when they need to be fired then that makes you what? Surely not at all a party in the conflict, right? You've got scapegoats the shift of the blame too.
PerunVult@reddit
I would ask you for source, but I'm pretty sure I did that multiple times over multiple of your blatant lies and never got a response.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Sure. It's very easy to run the hitech gear for anyone.
PerunVult@reddit
Just as I thought. No source, just repeating the lie. As always.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Looking forward to see your sources.
PerunVult@reddit
You made the claim, you need to prove it.
My claim is that you are making stuff up, which is proven by fact you post a lot of outlandish stuff and never back it up.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Mu claim is that Ukraine never had this kind of tech. Ukraine also relies on Western intel. Put 2 and 2 together.
PerunVult@reddit
No. Your claim is that western personnel is fighting in Ukraine and directly controlling weapons. Something you have never provided any proof of.
Even here, you are employing tinfoil insinuations to skirt around providing proof.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
I just did with a simple logic. Go back and think on this.
PerunVult@reddit
That's not logic, that's delusion, komrade.
VintageGriffin@reddit
You're unbearably naive.
There is a very high chance that the only sources you would accept would be the ones coming from the western mainstream media, which are a hive mind controlled by the same handful of people; who are never going to write anything like that.
Every other source is propaganda, a blatant lie, and a Russian blatant lie at that.
PerunVult@reddit
That's a lot ow words for "My source is that I made it the fuck up".
Rindan@reddit
Run around declaring that you are "at war with NATO" for the crime of, uh, not letting you invade NATO members, despite having launched an imperial invasion of a nation not in NATO. Launch a three year war, import weapons from Iran, invite fucking North Korea to the invasion (which that are obviously pumped for). Now, you whine when NATO finally shrugs and says, "okay Ukraine, use those weapons we gave you to defend yourself however you see fit".
Sure.
Russia is lucky the US isn't actually involved, considering how well the three year long war has gone so far. 3 years, at least half a million dead... and the front line is 30 miles from where it was when the invasion began. Can you imagine how badly the US would fuck up Russia? If they think a glorified Cessna is a scary weapon, they'd shit themselves facing stealth bombers.
The funny thing is that this doesn't have to destroy Russia. At any point Russia could just leave Ukraine and probably end most sanctions by negotiating. They won't of course. Putin's imperial ambitions are far too great. It will be generations before Russia recovers from this war, regardless of the outcome, and that's a price Putin is willing to pay.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Last time I checked the USA ran out of Afghanistan losing their equipment and local allies (note to Ukraine) behind to some flip flops wearing bearded guys. Yep, they'd totally wreck the nuclear superpower.
Rindan@reddit
You must not have checked very well.
The US suffered fewer casualties in its entire 20 year occupation than Russia has suffered in a single day of the Ukraine war. The US was losing more people to training accidents and depression than to combat.
The US didn't leave because it couldn't handle the few dozen combat losses a year. The US left because the occupation was pointless and the Americans were sick of trying to turn religious goat herders that want to enslave their women into modern people, and so finally gave up and left.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
It doesn't matter. Russia doesn't shell Ukrainian cities Israel-style either or nuke them. Although Russia has the means to do it. Russia grinds in the defense lines losing men and gear. Embarrassing I guess. Give me a proper example of a modern war between two industrial states. I'm listening.
The fact is that the US with all its military might, money, intellect and intel fled Afghanistan. Simple as that.
Rindan@reddit
It doesn't matter that Putin has spent over half a million lives and three years to move a front line 30 miles in some places and 30 miles backwards in others?
Is that you Putin? What are you doing on Reddit? You sure are pretty callous about killing more people than every American war in its entire history, combined.
What crack are you smoking? Russia has destroyed literally every single town and village they have fought for. Destroying cities to take them is literally Russia's primary tactic to take cities. The only cities not destroyed by Russia are ones where there was no fight.
Granted, Russia hasn't managed to take a city bigger than Bakhmut since the war started, so it's all rather hypothetical.
Again, Russia has lost more people in a single day in Ukraine than the US has lost during the entire 20 year occupation. The US pulled out because making Afghanistan into some sort of functional modern state is impossible. That's a failure of the state department. The military easily did their job and did so suffering fewer casualties IN 20 YEARS than Russia has suffered on a single bad day in Afghanistan.
I know which military I'd prefer to serve in. It's not a mark of honor that Russia has lost more men in their rabid invasion of Afghanistan than every single American war in its quarter of a millennium of existence.
It's a shame the US wasted 20 years in Afghanistan trying to build that shit hole up, but I'll take a largely losses occupation that the government finally gives up on over rabidly attacking my neighbors and losing hundreds of thousands of lives to move a front line 30 miles in 3 years... and losing a part of Russia in the process.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Of course there's a lot of war crimes happening. Russia doesn't destroy random cities. Did Russia destroy any city in Crimea or cities like Berdiansk or Melitopol?
Rindan@reddit
I like how this is the one point you are able to respond to, and even only after either intentionally or unintentionally failing to read and understand my words. I'll just repeat my own words. Try and read them this time. I'll even bold the relevant parts:
There was no serious fight for the cities you listed. You'd have to be extremely stupid to destroy a city you took without a fight.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
You are absolutely right. Whereas UA army is using cities as strongholds, Russia bombs these cities into rumbles. How are they supposed to capture this cities?
Russia is in big trouble demographically, financially, etc because of the war. Ukraine is in a catastrophe.
polymute@reddit (OP)
A nice fresh map to illustrate your point which I just grabbed from Axios for a discussion with another russiabot yesterday: https://i.imgur.com/NHyFurU.png
computer5784467@reddit
siege of Mariupol. over 25k dead, by some estimates over 80k. 90% of the city destroyed, most of that residential.
imagine being so pro imperialism, so pro genocide attempts, that stuff like this doesn't matter to you, to the point that you're not even ashamed to repeatedly say so in public.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
The siege of Mariupol has happened because the UA troops used it as a stronghold.
PerunVult@reddit
ruzzia is routinely attacking hospitals and kindergartens.
Delusional. At no point in this entire war ruzzia EVER held back conventional means.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Routinely - possibly. Systematically (like Israel does)- no.
OhJShrimpson@reddit
"Fled" is doing a lot of lifting here.
Why is Russia struggling so heavily in Ukraine? Surely they should've been able to complete their 3 day mission by now? They shouldn't need to grind if they have so much military superiority
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
Who told you about three days?
mdedetrich@reddit
Because the US didn’t have an objective, they won the war
SeveralTable3097@reddit
^ This guy still think wars on won on the battlefield 🙄
Rindan@reddit
^ This guy has clearly has reading comprehension skills.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
And we are also supposed to believe the West, or rather the US had no information about the planning and execution of the Nord Stream 2 sabotage. Sounds about right.
TrumpsGrazedEar@reddit
You mean same pipeline Russia pretended turbine to be broken?
Same pipeline Russians blamed Germany for not working, so when Germany offered to fix turbine Russia refused?
Same one that was closed before delivering single molecule of natural gas?
Same one that Russia was contractually obliged to deliver set amount of gas, unless 'act of God' happens?
Same one around which Russian warships has military exercise with transponders off even though they usually has transponders on?
Same one on which "act of God" happened saving Russia few million euros per day for penalties for not delivering gas?
That one? Yeah I don't know why Russians blew it up themselves. Must be those pesky Ukrainians using limited resources to piss off Germany for no reason whatsoever, after Germany provided millions is aid. Yeah makes perfect sense.
Ruby_of_Mogok@reddit
I think I saw you posting this script before...
computer5784467@reddit
all that practice reading their script and you still don't have a response?
TrumpsGrazedEar@reddit
And I never saw you making any serious reply....
So what is your point.
Gruejay2@reddit
Okay, so you win the argument: NATO is now a belligerent in this conflict. How do you think that's gonna go down, exactly?
Potential-Main-8964@reddit
Well most of time was hitting Crimea but this marks another greater escalation since it’s internationally recognized Russian region
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