Ukraine fires UK Storm Shadow missiles into Russia
Posted by GuyMcFellow@reddit | PrepperIntel | View on Reddit | 57 comments
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-fires-uk-storm-shadow-missiles-into-russia-bloomberg-reports-2024-11-20/
Ukraine has fired long-range British Storm Shadow missiles into Russian territory for the first time, Bloomberg reported on Wednesday, citing an unnamed Western official. A spokesperson for Prime Minister Keir Starmer said his office would not be commenting on reports or operational matters. Britain had previously said Ukraine could use Storm Shadow cruise missiles within Ukrainian territory but the government has been pressing the United States for permission to allow their use to strike targets inside Russia for several months.
photo-manipulation@reddit
Reminder #1001 Russians can end this war at anytime by turning around and heading in north easterly direction
DeaditeMessiah@reddit
Reminder #1002 that it doesn’t matter if we push them into nuclear war.
SnooBananas37@reddit
It actually does matter. Because the alternative is to assume that the demands of every nuclear power must be acquiesced to regardless of how crazy it might be.
Should we all pat our heads and rub our tummies if Russia says they'll nuke NATO if we don't? What if he demands that all former Warsaw Pact countries be removed from NATO? It's a classic if you give an inch, they'll take a mile. If you prove to them that you can be bullied, that you are fearful and are willing to roll over, they'll simply keep pushing as far as they can. If they can achieve their aims by merely threatening the use of nuclear weapons, without expending a drop of blood or a single Ruble, then they would be fools not to use it whenever and wherever they can.
We've played this song and dance before. Just as you, and I and everyone in NATO do not wish to die in a nuclear war, neither does Russia and their leadership. Which means so long as we are careful to A) not risk the actual destruction of Russia as a political entity and B) not risk the destruction of Russia's nuclear deterrence, then Russia will not use nuclear weapons. Ukraine is not integral to either, therefore NATO could even go so far as engaging in direct combat within the borders of Ukraine to remove Russian invaders. I don't think it'll ever come to that, mostly due to spineless Western leadership unless Russia did something heinously stupid.
talkyape@reddit
Great breakdown, armchair general. Pretty sure the people of Ukraine think your bullet points matter a whole lot.
DeaditeMessiah@reddit
Quick! You should go help them then!!
Autumn_Of_Nations@reddit
40% of "the people of Ukraine" have escaped the country and the remaining 20 million are dodging the draft. who are these "people of Ukraine" who are united in their position towards the war?
liberals are eager to become mouthpieces for the regime when it flies a flag they like. you don't care about any people. you care about states.
IAmMuffin15@reddit
Wow, what a way to live. “We should give our enemy everything they want and allow them to carry out a genocide against millions if they have nukes.”
I have the aching suspicion that you’d be singing a different tune if you lived in Kyiv
DeaditeMessiah@reddit
None of that matters if it kills us. That’s the best part of this fucked situation. Simplicity.
TheEntosaur@reddit
Pretty sure it matters to Ukraine. Pretty sure it'd matter to you a whole lot if you were in the crosshairs today, and not just in a potential future scenario.
Autumn_Of_Nations@reddit
doesn't take Clausewitz to see that no one wins under the conditions of nuclear war.
bostonguy6@reddit
Pretty sure it matters to those senior leaders at Lockheed, Electric Boat and NATO. Have you seen those private school tuition increases?
Have some compassion for your fellow man.
forkproof2500@reddit
So could Ukraine, just sign a settlement. Obviously the terms won't be anywhere near as good as they could have been in the beginning of the war, but that's just how things are.
Lost_Exp@reddit
What if the west sends all its military might East for a couple of months and we can see how thing really are 😁
People rooting for Russia in this war are fascinating.
11systems11@reddit
I think people are rooting for peace more than they are for Russia. Do you have kids? Would you want them to go and fight?
Lost_Exp@reddit
That's a cheap cop out. Everyone wants peace, it's an empty sentiment.
I have kids. I have also lived in an soviet country.
I am willing to die so my kids don't live under Putin like regimes.
You have no clue if you think achieving peace by appeasing Putin is the way to go here.
There are hills people should be willing to die on and saving Ukraine from Russia is one of those hills. Just ask all the Ukrainians that have been putting their lives on the line to defend their country.
11systems11@reddit
Definitely not a hill I'd want my kids to die on, especially not being from Europe.
MayorWestt@reddit
Appeasement didn't work in ww2 and it won't work now. Letting russia win in ukraine is a sure fire way to make sure your kids die in a much broader European war
11systems11@reddit
So which is it, Russia isn't strong enough to take Ukraine, or they're going to take over all of Europe? Because that's what most are saying, and you can't have it both ways.
MayorWestt@reddit
I didn't say they were strong. But they are willing to fight and you aren't so who do you think would win?
11systems11@reddit
Our air force would win.
dontgoatsemebro@reddit
You're too scared to use your air force.
11systems11@reddit
Sure seems like the US really wants WW3, so...
dontgoatsemebro@reddit
What makes you think the US wants ww3? The US has behaved like a frightened little sheep over the last three years. Afraid to challenge Russia at every single step.
11systems11@reddit
Where are you from? What's your country doing?
dontgoatsemebro@reddit
The UK, the US has been preventing us from giving as much support as we could.
11systems11@reddit
How are we "preventing" the UK? Oh yeah I forgot, we're your daddy.
dontgoatsemebro@reddit
Yes the United States is the senior partner in our military alliance. The US sets the rules.
MayorWestt@reddit
So your okay with someone making the sacrifice as long as it's not you or you're kids
11systems11@reddit
*your
11systems11@reddit
Sorry, still don't want my kids dying for Ukraine.
LemonSparkTheUnwise@reddit
Do you want new Hitler? Cause that's how you get new Hitler...
11systems11@reddit
He had a much better army, if you know your history
Charlirnie@reddit
You are right but really so is Russia.... people forget countries are not a single entity. The people fighting and dying for Ukraine are innocent and have been sold out by the people in power. The US used Ukraine to create conflict with Russia they don't give a fuk about Ukrainians the top tier running the US has made fortunes already and would love to break Russia down and peace meal it. The US never does anything unless it benefits the few no matter the cost of themany.
Nattydaddydystopia69@reddit
I’m not dying nor is my family dying in a nuclear holocaust sorry
Lost_Exp@reddit
Let's all just coward under a table until we die of old age because some old KGB lunatic keeps threatening us.
You can't give in to the mafia boss in hopes he want treat you like one of his escorts.
We either punch him out or we will keep getting slapped around until we are too weak to resist.
MagickalFuckFrog@reddit
You might anyway, regardless of what the US does or doesn’t do.
J-E-S-S-E-@reddit
Bro you’re a fat ass bald man posting on Reddit. Stfu
tactical-catnap@reddit
So if I invade your house, you'd be ok signing the deal that gives me your room?
Just sign the settlement
forkproof2500@reddit
Ah, the so-called two state solution?
that_guy124@reddit
Appeasment never works. This is an unprovoked war of territorial conquest. How naive are you to think that anything dickeater putin is willing to sign ist worth more than mustache mans munich agreement?
RealCalintx@reddit
HereticBanana@reddit
'The rape victim could stop this from being rape by consenting' - forkproof2500
Clear-Perception8096@reddit
It's hilarious that ukrainians think that their country will be rebuilt after this. What are they fighting for? It was a s hole before and it will be a s hole after.
gwhh@reddit
Is the uk production line for these still open? How many a month do they build?
EuroFederalist@reddit
Production line is open but quantaties aren't public information but looking at deliveries they can manufacture at least 150 each year. After 2022 UK ramped up production.
French make did make 400 SCALPs (their SH variant) each year before Russia invaded Ukraine.
gallipoli307@reddit
Good way for British company to test it and charge government for it.
Military Industrial Complex at it again
Astrosurfing414@reddit
That’s awfully cynic. Arsenal of democracy at work, totalitarian imperialist regimes can go fuck themselves.
daviddjg0033@reddit
Military Industrial Complex
In the US the total market cap is less than a single stock, Apple.
Europe is learning the hard way that the peace dividend after the cold war ended is over.
Putin would be in Berlin if Europe had no resolve.
Semiotic_Weapons@reddit
It would be a waste to build the MIC and not use when necessary.
Ok_Connection_3234@reddit
Well, I’m certainly not fighting for Starmer he can fuck off. I will hunger strike and die before I am conscripted!
jolllyroger027@reddit
You show em chick pea.
Ok_Connection_3234@reddit
Why would I fight for a commie? 😆
jolllyroger027@reddit
You wouldn't. In both scenarios you're dead. starving to death will show em.
Ok_Connection_3234@reddit
Yes hence my point lol I would rather die of my own choice, than die fighting for commies!
jolllyroger027@reddit
The irony that your inadvertently siding with actual communists to escape the "commies" is impressive. Next time you touch grass apologize to the nearest tree for wasting all the oxygen it worked hard to produce.
Ok_Connection_3234@reddit
Do you have any idea about Joseph Starmer and what the man represents ? He’s taking part in a huge tax land grab, dragging us into wars abroad, destroying our national heritage & will certainly bring more folk in on dinghy boats by the thousand. So I’m good thanks, I’ll avoid fighting for that regime (and Russia before I’m called some sort of shill).
gallipoli307@reddit
Sound of it over russia on video: