No, but carrying it with that intent is.

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SweetBearCub@reddit

No, but carrying it with that intent is.

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SellingCoach@reddit

The NRA teaches people to "finish" a situation, dead people can't talk and your chances of prosecution are much lower.

The NRA does not teach people to "finish" anything. They teach people to shoot to stop a threat.

Source: I was an NRA Instructor for 5 years.

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SpicyAR15@reddit

The NRA doesn’t teach people to “finish” a situation, with a subtext of killing them to lower your chance of prosecution. They teach shooting to “stop the threat”, meaning you are not shooting to wound, nor are you shooting to kill… you are shooting with the intention of making the active threat cease the activities that warrant you shooting them and then ceasing fire when that goal is achieved.

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logic_is_a_fraud@reddit

Seems like kill is the way to stop a threat.

Or do they teach warning shots?

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SpicyAR15@reddit

Killing is definitely a decisive way to stop the threat.

However, if you’re about to get murdered and you shoot and graze the would-be murderer on the toe or even miss, and that causes them to stop the attempted murdering, you successfully stopped the threat and should cease shooting.

Generally center of mass shooting is taught because it’s the best combination of being effective at stopping someone while also being a reasonably sized target that could be targeted while under duress. Head shots would have a higher fatality and instant stoppage rate but a lower percentage of success. The ultimate survival of the attacker isn’t really factored into the decision.

That’s what the safety glasses are for, duh.

I’m with you. This sub is full of a bunch of self-important roleplayers who do nothing more than imagine scenarios in which they “win” arguments and punish their enemies for great justice, who are likely too meek to actually disagree with a human in person and have an extremely exaggerated perception and response to the injustices inflicted upon them.

I see some replies not even refuting what you said, just saying something completely different.

Too caught up in their emotions to properly reply, or they truly did not comprehend what you said.

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LYSF_backwards@reddit

A person is getting attacked and you are saying they can't use certain methods to defend themself. You are defending the attackers. Get fucked. The attacker deserves the wrath of whatever the victim has at hand.

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BiggusDickus-@reddit

Perhaps you should think about the fact that "robbing" is not always what happens in these situations. Frequently people are not just robbed, but they are rapped, killed, critically wounded, etc...

Almost all personal robberies involve a very real, and credible, threat of violence. That absolutely opens the door to me defending myself with equal or greater force.

This imo is not a very high level of foresight and a situation I would expect lawmakers to anticipate before they outlaw something specifically designed for self defense.

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The_Box_muncher@reddit

You definitely need to be able to see in order to mug people. So Id say its now 200% harder for them to mug and rob.

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Anticode@reddit

although it may make them worse at it.

Jonty_Lowstar@reddit

This is it

FunnyObjective6@reddit

It's hilarious that OP thinks you have plausible deniability for that. Doubt it's legal here to "take care of" a wasp nest on public property even. Not to mention OP said "legal to use", using it to me sounds like stopping an attacker, I really don't think it's legal to do that. Sure a judge might side with you if you survived a clear attack, but the same could be said for a fucking gun despite it being clearly illegal here.

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justgivemedamnkarma@reddit

Why cant you have pepper spray in the uk wtf

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Federal-Context-1116@reddit

You can’t have anything that you intend to use to cause harm. That includes self defence.

Carry an apple to throw at an attacker? Same crime. Feather? Yep. Coin? Illegal.

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terryjuicelawson@reddit

Because it is actually more commonly used as an offensive weapon.

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palehorse95@reddit

I can't imagine living where every form or possible self protection is denied to me under penalty of law, while criminals are free to be criminals and the police and politicians stroll around with all the guns and tear gas they can carry.

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No_Sugar8791@reddit

Lol.

Criminals do not carry guns here unless they're actually intending to hit someone. Getting caught with an unlicensed gun, which is proven to never been fired, will still earn you 5 years.

But have it in the house in your usual place with all the other useful stuff and just happened to grab it when you saw the burglar? Law is a lot more open to that.

The law is equally open to you having a hammer or a knife. They'd be more effective against an intruder I would think.

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stabadan@reddit

Idk, my can of yard guard shoots 25 feet and fogs an entire rose bush. My hammer….hammers at the end of my wrist.

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ikzz1@reddit

Just get a 25 feet long hammer

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Wasp spray only does 1d2 damage but a war carpenter's hammer is 1d10.

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V3Olive@reddit

1d10

not if you're dead (melee range is dangerous)

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MoulanRougeFae@reddit

Can you guys carry blackjacks and saps? Those can fuck a person up nicely.

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Daxmar29@reddit

I’m thinking OP meant as a defensive weapon, not offensive. Although this is ULPTs so maybe I’m wrong.

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I believe you're incorrect on that. Premeditated isn't self defense, you intended to cause harm.

It's the reason it's not legal to keep a baseball bat next to your bed.

If you happened to grab one out of your cupboard on the way downstairs though, that's potentially different

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stools_in_your_blood@reddit

Oh OK, didn't know that. Do you have a source for the thing about not being allowed to keep a baseball bat next to the bed? I'm curious now.

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WhatYouLeaveBehind@reddit

https://www.gov.uk/reasonable-force-against-intruders#:~:text=You%20can%20use%20reasonable%20force,an%20object%20as%20a%20weapon

Having a premeditated weapon would definitely fall into the later category and result in prosecution.

You also need to prove the use of force must be proportionate to the threat. It's harder to do this if you've already selected a weapon.

Any use of force has to be justified.

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Shrekquille_Oneal@reddit

absolutely insane to an American, lol. Being expected to make rational decisions and give half a shit about a home intruders life while you are actively fear for your own is kinda sick, ngl. Not saying I have a murder boner about it or "wish a motherfucker would", but I don't know their intentions at all or what they're carrying for that matter, if that means they gotta go, then they gotta go lol.

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WhatYouLeaveBehind@reddit

is kinda sick, ngl.

It really isn't.

The entire US Military Doctrine is built on the concept of Proportion Response. It isn't a foreign concept to the USA.

You shouldn't be entitled to go beyond what you need to do in order to be safe. Beyond that is entirely unreasonable and I justified.

Not saying I have a murder boner about it

Kinda sounds like you do, ngl

if that means they gotta go, then they gotta go lol.

Point proven

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Shrekquille_Oneal@reddit

discussing civilian home defense

immediately brings up military doctrine, as if everyone should be expected to behave like trained soldiers in life or death situations.

Fuck you for that.

Now let me tell you a story. I had a friend, we'll call him Tom. Tom and his wife lived in an apartment almost identical to the one I'm sitting in right now, maybe half a mile from my exact location. Tom was dirt poor, and didn't really have anything of value in his place, but that didn't matter much, because one day two guys with masks and guns kicked the door down, pistol whipped the two of them, sexually assaulted his unconscious wife, and stole their TV. That's it, all that for a fucking tv. Genuine clockwork orange type of shit.

Tom's wife ended up having a brain bleed from the pistol whipping and, as a result, suffers from severe impairment of motor, cognitive, and speech function to this day. Both of them were in their late 50s/ early 60s, mind you, and their attackers were young men with guns. They had no "designated weapon" in the house, nothing to protect themselves or even realistically try, and regardless of how things could've gone had they had something like a gun, the reality is they had no chance and those men could've easily killed them if they wanted to, or even accidentally.

So, sorry. Call me bloodthirsty, but if either of those guys who kicked down an obviously poor older couples door and beat them severely for no real reason had died that day, I wouldn't lose sleep over it. I'm not trying to imply they should've executed them point blank in their living room or anything like that, but saying you can't have a "designated weapon" is absolute bullshit when shit like this happens every. Single. Day.

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WhatYouLeaveBehind@reddit

Fuck you for that.

Thanks buddy.

Clearly you failed to understand the point. I'll apologise for your ignorance on your behalf.

Call me bloodthirsty

I will 👍

You may not understand why, but the rest of the world does. It's okay that you don't understand. I don't think you ever will.

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Nevermind04@reddit

If you actually read about "proportional responses" from the US military, you'll see that this is actually a foreign concept to the USA.

The US government has a habit of naming things the opposite of what they actually are, like Citizens United which funnels huge amounts of corporate money into politics, thus depriving individual citizens of their political voices. Or the Clear Skies Act, which would have allowed 42 million additional tons of air pollution from mega-corporations. Or the Healthy Forests Initiative, which allowed forestry companies to level forests to the ground and destroy entire ecosystems instead of selectively cutting mature trees.

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WhatYouLeaveBehind@reddit

Just because they don't follow it, doesn't make it a foreign concept.

In either case, a proportion response is all that's required for self defense.

Beyond that it's no longer defense.

All of those things are larger issues with most improvised weapons than with pepper spray except for collateral damage. Someone is more likely to be seriously hurt if the victim is required to use bare hands or whatever bludgeon is within arms reach.

It is hands down the best non-lethal weapon and, while very capable defensively isn't often used offensively. The only reason to use it offensively is malice since it's hard to rape, rob, or otherwise victimize someone who's covered in pepper spray. The sort of people who would use it maliciously would be fine using more lethal and damaging alternatives.

The biggest thing is that pepper spray is effective. Taking that away leaves people far more vulnerable. While a weapon of opportunity like a hammer can be more lethal, a weaker person probably will still lose to a larger person and be far more injured due to the presence of a weapon. Unarmed, they are simply victimized outright without much of a fight. With pepper spray they can run away and nobody dies.

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hitemlow@reddit

In some areas it's just classified as a dangerous/deadly weapon and requires you to acquire a CCW beforehand. The same CCW permit that entitles you to carry a firearm....so just carry the more effective and versatile tool.

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generalraptor2002@reddit

There is no U.S. jurisdiction that requires a permit to carry a small canister of pepper spray concealed on or about the person

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SirLoremIpsum@reddit

Edit: say "there's a wasp nest near my running trail I wanted to take care of" or something. Plausible deniability.

That is not plausible deniability unless you think cops are utterly dense.

"just keep a baseball bat and glove in your boot and the cops will believe you're on your way to training at 3am".

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amanuensisninja@reddit

Do y'all think there's a market for pocket-sized piss discs.

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Ok_Choice9482@reddit

No offense. BUT you must be aware, the misunderstanding of this will get you or somebody killed, if you think wasp spray will work for defending you.

Wasp spray kills bugs. However, permethrin, prallethrin, and other bug killers can just about be used as bug repellent on your clothes. No damage. They are literally manufactured into clothes as bug repellent, not that it is completely harmless but it WILL NOT do a damn thing if somebody is attacking you.

Mace works because it is excruciatingly painful. It forces the eyes of your attacker to shut because of pain and inflammation. It is worse than soap or shampoo. Bug spray is not really as bad as mace because sometimes a little goes in your eye if you spray a bees nest. If you think about an enraged driver in a road rage confrontation, who is irrational and can't be avoided, bug spray will do more harm than good, not desist their attack and allow you to escape.

If you are against an enraged driver in a violent road rage confrontation, or a person on performance enhancers who does not feel pain, or an animal that is aggressive and in the process of an attack, then guess what - you need a different weapon.

In a confrontation you can't escape, you could need a weapon that works, like a gun, a walking cane, a stun cane, mace, a crossbow, a knife, just about anything. You could even be injured, and if you don't have some way of protecting yourself, then you're hurt. If you can't have a weapon because of local laws, then you are in a tricky situation. Does the risk justify your intent? In the eyes of the law, it doesn't really matter what causes you to feel safe. The law is the law. You have to think about how to BE safe, not FEEL safe, and I won't really sit here thinking up different weapons for you to smuggle around. I am a gun owning American and it is convenient for me to walk around with a pistol. It saved the life of my dog, who was nearly bitten by a 4.5 foot (1.37 meter) rattlesnake.

Off the shelf bear spray is dangerous. 20 years ago I was in school and someone emptied a can as a prank. Not on anyone, just in the school.

A teacher who spent time in the (very large) halls facilitating evacuation had their vocal cords burned out and couldn't teach anymore.

It's very dangerous stuff.

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hectorxander@reddit

? How did it harm his vocal chords? So there is more than capsaican in them, the stuff in hot peppers?

Because that doesn't do any actual damage it is just uncomfortable.

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DefinitelyNotAliens@reddit

Some people are very sensitive to capsaicin and large quantities can cause chemical burns.

Latent sensitivity and inhalation can harm people.

Someone smashed a bottle of liquid ass in my high school's main hall and several students with asthma/ allergies were hospitalized due to the reaction and two others fell and were trampled. From Liquid Ass.

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Shoddy_Suit8563@reddit

Bullshit lmao

https://liquidass.com/pages/sds-data-sheet

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thelonebarbarian@reddit

That is shitty.

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graffacc@reddit

Sounds like a skill issue

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_Lost_The_Game@reddit

Think of capsaicin similar to alcohol in this sense:

We consume in amounts that are safe but still have an edge. Too much can cause injury, even more can cause permanent injury.

Capsaicin has a stronger effect on vulnerable areas like the eyes, nose, mouth (and genitalia… dont ask how i know)

Bear spray is designed to be potent enough for a whole ass bear. And spray strong and fast enough to ward off a bear in an emergency. Using it as intended still needs care, or you can really hurt yourself. And thats OUTDOORS.

Imagine all that in a non ventilated space

Capsaicin can be dangerous. Putting too much in your lunch inorder to ward off lunch thieves at work is infamously considered poisoning

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Accujack@reddit

Bear spray is designed to be potent enough for a whole ass bear.

Ass bears are the most dangerous game.

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_Lost_The_Game@reddit

Its dangerous how much i love juicy juicy cheeks on hairy men

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Alaska_Jack@reddit

I don't know about the "damage" part, but if you've ever been even partially bear-sprayed, "uncomfortable" is not at the the word I would use. You can't see, you can't breath, your eyes and nose and throat are on fire.

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Shoddy_Suit8563@reddit

I somewhat doubt your vocal cords burned out claim.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6682244/

AlleRacing@reddit

"Why did you shoot him?"

"I don't know what he was going to do!"

RudeSituation79@reddit

Here's how you get round that explanation...again, gotta be the right situation and circumstances. The criminal code actually has provision for people to be able to have a loaded firearm stored accessibly in wilderness areas for wildlife defense. It's true, I looked it up, and ran it by the Sargeant at my local detachment. Of course, depends where you live, but I'm covered.

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syzamix@reddit

Need to know more about what happened. If a burglar shows up to my house, my responsibility is to keep me and my family safe. It is very easy to achieve by running away and calling the police.

If instead, I decide to go Rambo, fight the burglar and then after immobilizing them, decide to shoot their head for retribution, that's a crime.

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Big-D_OdoubleG@reddit

Very well said.

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lesterbottomley@reddit

And they often are. There was a famous one in the UK a few years back where a farmer was prosecuted for shooting a burglar in his house.

People were up in arms about it largely due to how some of the press reported it. It was all defending your castle type shit.

However, he was prosecuted not for shooting him per ce, but because he:

A) shot the lad in the back as he was trying to get away. And

B) not long before he had gone into a community meeting with his shotgun loudly proclaiming "if anyone steps foot on my land I'll shoot them and shoot to kill" (or words to that effect, there had been a spare of burglaries in the area).

You think it's "very easy" to pick up your entire family and while carrying them, in one arm, outrun a bullet?

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notislant@reddit

I'd be shocked if thats an actual conviction and not just 'charged' or 'bullshit story'.

Theres a farmer in Canada who shot fleeing (teenagers iirc) in the back, after they tried to steal his atv.

pedsteve@reddit

They've

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DimensioT@reddit

No, it would not make sense.

How would a homeowner know for certain that a burglar is unarmed?

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Jlt42000@reddit

Because you have their weapon pointed at them. Obviously if you think they’re about to pull another, take them out in self defense. If not you’re just murdering a home intruder.

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SaiHottariNSFW@reddit

Most likely the gun was turned on the intruder during the scuffle for control of said gun. In such cases in the US, both men are considered armed, so you can be punished for shooting an unarmed assailant just because you've got more control than they do. Worth noting, this goes both ways. If you're carrying a gun for self defense and someone tries to fight you for it, they are now considered armed; Give em what they ask for, express delivered to whatever part of them you can get the muzzle pointed at.

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OldPersonName@reddit

Why is the onus on the homeowner, who likely lacks training in any manner of combat, to manage the high stress, high adrenaline life or death situation that the criminals have put them all into? Any normal person's decision making and reaction time is severely affected in such a situation, and asking them to then go and make a sober real-time assessment of the intruder's intents and actions is entirely unreasonable.

Pro gun nuts imagine all kinds of rambo scenarios to justify themselves, this is like the same kind of thing but done for the opposite reason. "Nah bro you just hold them at gunpoint and if they try to skin that smokewagon you take them out bro, piece of cake bro. And if they lunge for the gun just do a spinning sidekick into their solar plexus bro, I'm a yellow belt at the strip mall taekwondo place I'll show you. Bro."

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Sufficient_Effect651@reddit

This is pretty simple, and its because if you kill a person in Canada you will generally be adjudicated by society, whether it's by prosecutors who drop the case or by the courts themselves. Nobody has ever been convicted of reasonable self defense.

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namerankserial@reddit

Eh, personally I think they're fine. Cite the case?

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PlsNoNotThat@reddit

O fuck why? I just explain to the judge that it makes me feel like my penis is bigger so I can do things like shop at Starbucks.

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I’m a sports shooter in Canada, and I wouldn’t risk using my firearms in home defence, unless it was obvious the burglar was armed.

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pingpongtits@reddit

If someone breaks in your house, they have a knife, and you fear for your life, can you shoot them with a bow and arrow or spear them? Would that be considered even enough, or do you have to knife fight them to defend yourself for the law to consider it reasonable force?

I'm unclear as to how you're supposed to defend yourself when someone forces their way into your house.

I mean, besides the Ontario cop that suggested leaving your car keys by the door so robbers wouldn't have to hurt you to steal your car.

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ConsummateContrarian@reddit

windex8@reddit

I don’t need names, I just wasn’t sure how it played out, and I figured you might know. I agree with everything you said, btw. Our dipshit politicians try to play the same game.

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RudeSituation79@reddit

Oh I know how the second case panned out. 2 guys broke in while the guy was sleeping and attacked him in bed with a pipe and a crowbar. Somehow he ended up getting ahold of his hunting rifle, and he shot one guy in the leg. The other guy ran for it. He was charged, but he beat the charge in court. I don't know the legal wrangling and explaining that happened in court, but he was aquitted.

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duffelbagpete@reddit

Way to go canada protecting those criminals.

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Luisguirot@reddit

I’ll never understand why so many countries are anti self defense and pro criminal.

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nachohk@reddit

I’ll never understand why so many countries are anti self defense and pro criminal.

Carrying pepper spray for use against animals is legal.

Using it on humans is chemical assault and comes with a mandatory life sentence.

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notislant@reddit

The sad thing is I've literally seen the reason why mace for self defense is illegal in Canada.

Too many trashy idiots threatening or assaulting people with it.

Aome people have to ruin everything.

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SantosFurie89@reddit

Surely if you say you have a deadly allergy / phobia then that's perfect defence?

But yeah, agree otherwise it's a bit wild.. Maybe make up business card saying wasp removal, and you do it as side hustle or on call lol

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DeelVithIt@reddit

lol canada

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AttacusShoots@reddit

Man Canadians really belong at Weeny Hut Jrs

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I-own-a-shovel@reddit

I’m in Canada too and we buy spray for mean dogs instead.

Or spray for bears (but the bears one you can just carry it if you are in the wood, the dog one is more legit to carry anywhere)

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Antisocialbumblefuck@reddit

No no. Remember, that big ass can of raid is for the flying biting kind of pests. In the case of accidentally blinding a human, that wasn't the intent.

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The only weapon I possess that is illegal to carry in more states than my gun would be my sap

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fiercetywysoges@reddit

Wasp spray is also easier for older people or anyone with issues with their hand or grip strength. This was recommended to me years ago by a cop who responded to a call where an elderly woman had sprayed an intruder. Intruder was incapacitated. They thought it was brilliant and started sharing it.

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generalraptor2002@reddit

That was probably a psychological stop

I was about to say, wasp spray is legal to use...on wasps. Spraying chemicals in people's faces is still a crime.

Obviously if its self defense, thats different, you can use resources you have available to defend yourself within reason.

But you better make sure to only use it if youre actually in fear of your safety.

If you get too trigger happy with the wasp spray and for instance use it in a verbal argument that hasn't escalated to physical intimidation, you can get in a lot of trouble.

Of course I dont know how laws work everywhere. Where I live, pepper spray is allowed nearly everywhere unless explicitly forbidden by security checkpoints like at government buildings. So this isn't an issue.

Im just going off what Ive heard about it being illegal to use bear spray on people.

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Mental-Intention4661@reddit

also bear spray is effective.

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MrJonBrown@reddit

Came here to say that. Go big or go home

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HPPD2@reddit

Bear spray is much weaker and less potent than pepper spray. It's not meant to hurt or incapacitate bears they just have very sensitive noses and it takes less to deter them.

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I remember seeing a video of a pharmacist protect herself with bear spray when some drugged up nutjob tried to attack the pharmacy. It was wild.

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stfucupcake@reddit

Skunk oil

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Lensmaster75@reddit

Hairspray and a Bic equals flame thrower

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Whatthehell665@reddit

Wasp spray does the same. WD40 too.

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Canuck-In-TO@reddit

I bought bear spray for my daughters when they went to university.

Pepper spray only has a range of a few feet. Bear spray has a range of 30 feet.

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Active_Warning_1709@reddit

So- it does nothing similar to “pretty much the same thing”.

It causes immediate and permanent blindness, the only antidote is in a full hospital they’d have to get to, in time.

It’s not considered a non lethal self defense method, in most jurisdictions- it’s basically the same as if you had to pull a kitchen knife in self defense of your life. Whereas- pepper spray is acceptable for things like harassment or minor assault in many places, you WILL go to prison for using wasp spray the same way in those same places.

You will NOT be able to justify the use of wasp spray in response to someone punching you, as much as you could claim that it was necessary to climb on top of them and remove their eyeballs with your thumbs in response.

Just like if you HAVE to pull a gun or knife and take a life in self defense- you ARE getting taken in, you ARE likely getting some kind of charge, and you have to know that. It has to be worth it, to you,

Not like pepper gel/spray at all. The law will usually look more favorably on you grabbing whatever large blunt object is near you to beat them with, as opposed to immediately taking their eyeballs from 20ft away permanently.

You can literally wash pepper spray out with stuff at home. There is no option similar to that with wasp spray.

I keep a can in my truck- but I recognize it’s as last-resort as a literal gun, in the eyes of the law. If killing them or permanently incapacitating them isn’t a justified response to their behavior- you will be charged for using it on someone. Yes, that’s better than getting knifed a dozen times and left in the road. Of course.

But please don’t talk to people like they can use it in any similar way pepper spray can legally be used. It causes SO much more damage. May as well throw muriatic acid on someone’s face. It’s really THAT hard to justify the usage compared to pepper spray.

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KilTheTransformers@reddit

"It is a violation of federal law to use this product not as intended", or something like that. It's literally a crime to use wasp/bear/ant spray on a human.

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theAchilliesHIV@reddit

So I’ve looked into this before and what you’re suggesting is still considered life-threatening. Just google its side effects- it can cause severe neurological damage and become life threatening.

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UnusuallyScented@reddit

This is a long standing myth. Wasp spray is not good for self defense. It does not do the 'same thing'.

Wasp spray is NOT an effective defensive weapon. There have been several incidents in my very liberal area where people tried wasp spray and it had no effect. In one of the cases, the same guy broke in twice in the same night and the homeowner used a whole can and wound up stabbing the perp with a kitchen knife after wasp spray did nothing.

This is bad advice.

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Waitn4ehUsername@reddit

Canada is an absolute shithole when it comes to self defence laws. The laws protect the perp and make victims feel helpless. Ill take my chances of fking some perp up that tries a B&E on home while me and my family are inside.

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WholeIssue5880@reddit

This actually stupid and horrible, a lot of you people have no empathy.

Just mix som vegetable oil and some chilies, no need to go so extreme

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Herebedragoons77@reddit

But how to spray it. How do you explain why you have it?

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WholeIssue5880@reddit

Just put a label that says spicy sauce spray!

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w1ngo28@reddit

Bear spray is great too

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venusianinfiltrator@reddit

Hair spray, spray-cans of adhesive/paint, and perfume can work in a pinch. An open umbrella can be used to keep someone at arm's length, bonus points if it has a metal tip you can scrape on the ground to sharpen. A long, heavy flashlight is good, too. Nobody bats an eye at a woman with knitting needles. Some of those giant, pointy crystal rings can be turned to your palm. Acrylic nails are sharp, and eyes are squishy. Your jaw muscles are stronger than you think, a human bite really hurts. I'd rather be prosecuted for defending myself than end up dead.

Talking and acting crazy and/or disgusting can get someone second-guessing whether you're a good target or not.

Don't forget that predators often make several attempts on their potential prey before they make a final move. Be unappealing prey.

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ShephardCouldBeTrans@reddit

There's a reason hat pins were banned or restricted in some municipalities.

I think that nobody is worried about a criminal bringing charges against them

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Adventurous-Coat-333@reddit

Wait. There are places that don't allow knives or even non-lethal weapons, but have more guns than people?

hotfistdotcom@reddit

I just checked multiple cans of wasp spray, and they don't contain any capsaicin or anything that I imagine would stop an attacker immediately. I have used wasp spray often to deal with small wasp nests, with no issues. Pepper spray on the other hand, I have carried and can legally carry here, but I have learned that it causes catastrophic asthma attacks when used even as directed if I so much get a whiff of it. And you know, is designed to burn and blur vision and feel terrible and make it hard to function, to stop an attacker. Poisoning someone with wasp spray may hurt them, but probably not quickly enough, and I wouldn't be surprised if somehow you ended up liable for misusing it - not saying I'd agree with that, but probably a good idea Additionally, sabre's website and several others clearly state pepper spray is legal in all 50 states - even if you can't ship it, you can likely buy it locally.

ehcrain@reddit

My fiance is an elementary school teacher in the US and happens to "have wasps" near her classes designated shelter in place location when an intruder wanders onto school grounds. She has actually used it on the playground for it's intended purpose before but I've told her consequences be damned if she is able to walk away from someone trying to harm her or the kids in her care.

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Thegreenpander@reddit

This is completely false. I had a good bit of wasp spray fly into my eyes one time when the wind was blowing hard and there was absolutely no discomfort. I walked calmly to the customers pool and washed it out,but nothing happened. This stupid, incorrect advice is going to get someone killed. I’ll say it again, I’ve had wasp spray in my eyes and nothing happened.

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mickey5545@reddit

wasp spray is illegal to use everywhere for defense. it's a federal offense, and says so on the can. certain states only allow certain types of pepper spray.

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OopsAllLegs@reddit

Check in to bear spray. It sprays more and further than your hand held pepper spray.

starspider@reddit

Man.

In Washington State, it is your legally protected right to carry pepper spray so long as you are at least 14. It is against the law for a city or municipality or county to bar you from having pepper spray.

grb13@reddit

Actually if you use you could be charged with a felony. The spray needs to used as its intended purpose per federal laws.

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smol9749been@reddit

Or axe body spray

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Schmenza@reddit

I always said don't bring wasp spray to a gunfight

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fruderduck@reddit

Illegal for use other than as directed.

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toolsavvy@reddit

In developed countries, all insecticides are illegal to use if the use case is outside of label directions.

wasp spray...legal to use.

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bwoodfield@reddit

Pretty much any compressed aerosol will work when sprayed at the eyes. I got dust blown into my eyes and I was blinded and in pain for an hour. Perfume, insect repellent, hair spray, spray paint, etc will cause burning in the eyes. Even pocket sand would be a viable solution.

Don't forget pain isn't the only sense. Smell and light can be debilitating as well. Look at liquid deer and rabbit repellent (the smell will make anyone vomit), a million candle strength flashlight in the eyes will blind someone, and 150db screaming noise maker will stop most.

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ivebeencloned@reddit

Liquid mustard and claim it's salad dressing?

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AndyHN@reddit

It doesn't do pretty much the same thing. It's a nerve agent. I'm not going to tell you how to live your life, but if this was something I was doing I sure as fuck wouldn't be talking about it on the internet.

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Its_All_So_Tiring@reddit

This is fuddlore, please stop spreading misinformation. The active ingredient in wasp spray is not toxic to humans.

This advice could get someone killed.

https://onherown.life/dont-use-wasp-spray-for-self-defense/

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Leaf-Stars@reddit

You know what does work? Brakleen. The red can.

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hectorxander@reddit

Soap water works you don't need anything fancy. Soap penetrates their exoskeleton, they are writing in agony within half a minute, incapacitated withing ten seconds. They do not make the connection as to whom is spraying them either.

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Its_All_So_Tiring@reddit

Shit will literally melt your eyeballs, WAY more effective than pepper spray (but less range)

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CundtDestroyer@reddit

A bottle of charcoal grill lighter fluid is less than $5 from Walmart.

My aunt got arrested for spraying her teenage son with this when he was about to attack her. She got charged with assault.

It doesn’t work as well. 2. If you claim to have just had it with you because you recently had a wasp problem and then just used it as a desperate self defense resort when threatened you are very unlikely to be charged with anything.

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Personalrefrencept2@reddit

“I carry bear deterrent spray because of bears” I said to my lawyer, “when my life was in danger from this “person” i panicked and used it thinking it would also deter them! “

Let me know what the da says !

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Iankill@reddit

So those laws generally forbid an item under the pretense it's used as self defense.

So if you're found with wasp spray and say it's because you were using it as pepper spray that won't work.

You need to have a reasonable excuse to have it on you.

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